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		<title>By: Fredrika</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fredrika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;@Fredika&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Is my signature hard to spell correctly?


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;By luxury products, I mean we don&#039;t need them to survive. And so, if you can&#039;t afford them, tough luck, work harder and then you can get them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No need to work harder, you can manufacture copies yourself with your own property, as people filesharing do.


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;..but one cannot deny that, if someones internet connection is used to download a copyrighted work, chances are, they are responsible. It&#039;s not 100%, &lt;b&gt;but its close&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is an unsubstantiated guess from your side. In reality it&#039;s more likely no way near 100%, since usually grown-up&#039;s are the subscribers, while it&#039;s the teenagers that performing the filesharing for the household need. Grown-up&#039;s are not legally &lt;i&gt;responsible&lt;/i&gt; for teenagers eventual copyright infringements.


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;Although it cost no one else any money, legit owners have the right to be pissed.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The fact that some people are pissed have no relevance to Darkwiz666&#039;s comment. That some grudging people are pissed does not equal that other people must share the morality of the pissed of person. That some people are pissed does not mean that copying is &lt;i&gt;theft&lt;/i&gt;.


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;You feel that you are entitled to something, for free. You aren&#039;t.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Of course people feel entitled to their own property, which they make copies with. They own their own property. They are indeed entitled to it.


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;But the problem lies when people consider it a good game/movie/album whatever, yet still don&#039;t pay for it. That&#039;s where the problem is.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, that&#039;s not a &lt;i&gt;problem&lt;/i&gt;, at least not a copyright related &lt;i&gt;problem&lt;/i&gt; or a socially cultural &lt;i&gt;problem&lt;/i&gt;.

Second, you never pay for a game/movie/album, you pay for the copy. If you manufacture the copy yourself there&#039;s obviously nothing to pay for, so there&#039;s no conflict between enjoying an intellectual work and considering it to be good, and &lt;i&gt;not paying&lt;/i&gt;.


&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;I believe the creator of the media should be able to decide what they want to do with it. They created it, they should be able to control it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

But that&#039;s not copyright? Copyright has never been about privileging the author with an absolute copyright monopoly out of principle, and they never have been either. What you believe in is something completely different than copyright, something that actually doesn&#039;t exist in reality. That&#039;s probably why your opinions and conclusions about filesharing are so illogical and irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;@Fredika&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Is my signature hard to spell correctly?</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;By luxury products, I mean we don&#8217;t need them to survive. And so, if you can&#8217;t afford them, tough luck, work harder and then you can get them.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No need to work harder, you can manufacture copies yourself with your own property, as people filesharing do.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;..but one cannot deny that, if someones internet connection is used to download a copyrighted work, chances are, they are responsible. It&#8217;s not 100%, <b>but its close</b>.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is an unsubstantiated guess from your side. In reality it&#8217;s more likely no way near 100%, since usually grown-up&#8217;s are the subscribers, while it&#8217;s the teenagers that performing the filesharing for the household need. Grown-up&#8217;s are not legally <i>responsible</i> for teenagers eventual copyright infringements.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;Although it cost no one else any money, legit owners have the right to be pissed.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The fact that some people are pissed have no relevance to Darkwiz666&#8242;s comment. That some grudging people are pissed does not equal that other people must share the morality of the pissed of person. That some people are pissed does not mean that copying is <i>theft</i>.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;You feel that you are entitled to something, for free. You aren&#8217;t.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Of course people feel entitled to their own property, which they make copies with. They own their own property. They are indeed entitled to it.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;But the problem lies when people consider it a good game/movie/album whatever, yet still don&#8217;t pay for it. That&#8217;s where the problem is.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not a <i>problem</i>, at least not a copyright related <i>problem</i> or a socially cultural <i>problem</i>.</p>
<p>Second, you never pay for a game/movie/album, you pay for the copy. If you manufacture the copy yourself there&#8217;s obviously nothing to pay for, so there&#8217;s no conflict between enjoying an intellectual work and considering it to be good, and <i>not paying</i>.</p>
<p>&gt; <i>&#8220;I believe the creator of the media should be able to decide what they want to do with it. They created it, they should be able to control it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not copyright? Copyright has never been about privileging the author with an absolute copyright monopoly out of principle, and they never have been either. What you believe in is something completely different than copyright, something that actually doesn&#8217;t exist in reality. That&#8217;s probably why your opinions and conclusions about filesharing are so illogical and irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown &#124; We R Pirates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown &#124; We R Pirates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Notrackingme &#124; Proxy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notrackingme &#124; Proxy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonesmatthewm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonesmatthewm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are stealing someone&#039;s lively hood. You are actually creating an unfair market place, that only big business can survive in. If anything is hurting the 1st amendment and the freedom of speech, it&#039;s online piracy. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are stealing someone&#8217;s lively hood. You are actually creating an unfair market place, that only big business can survive in. If anything is hurting the 1st amendment and the freedom of speech, it&#8217;s online piracy. </p>
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		<title>By: ant</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My workmate bought skyrim (pc, on disk copy) online, and after handing over the money grabbed a copy from a torrent so he could start playing immediately. In fact I know of 3 people who torrented that game for convinience, despite being fully paid up owners. 

Back in the day my brother bought halflife 2. But he had too much trouble with the DRM so he torrented a cracked version, which worked better than the paid for version (as in, it worked at all). 

So, I agree, you cant count the numbers in the swarms and think they are all pirates - its a distribution platform, and people use it for different reasons. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My workmate bought skyrim (pc, on disk copy) online, and after handing over the money grabbed a copy from a torrent so he could start playing immediately. In fact I know of 3 people who torrented that game for convinience, despite being fully paid up owners. </p>
<p>Back in the day my brother bought halflife 2. But he had too much trouble with the DRM so he torrented a cracked version, which worked better than the paid for version (as in, it worked at all). </p>
<p>So, I agree, you cant count the numbers in the swarms and think they are all pirates &#8211; its a distribution platform, and people use it for different reasons. </p>
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		<title>By: melina</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@down Would you like to work from home? Read more here: <a href="http://1url.com/pUx" rel="nofollow">http://1url.com/pUx</a> and you will find out how to get a nice income every month. </p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not anyone elses property you are giving away troll!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not anyone elses property you are giving away troll!</p>
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		<title>By: Hgghgh</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Out of curiosity, what region are you in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, what region are you in?</p>
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