BTW: Right to distribute? Ever heard of Public Domain? Do you know why Copyright is called that? Do you know about its original 14 years period? It is you who need to study, both law and history.

In reference with the link sites,trackers etc.. you must understand that in spanish law are the actions that determine the crime as such they make money by telling people where other people are sharing. At this moment there is no international or european treaty that says that telling someone where to find other people willing to interchange copyrightable material must be a criminal offence.

And having prepay at least 270 million € for the right to make private copies I think the spanish people has a too low private copy.

$GAE and other copyright groups are pressing hard –even doing some censurable deeds– to ban P2P, prosecute file-sharers and squeeze money from special copyright taxes in digital equipment. Gosh! Even the current Spanish Minister of Culture is totally pro-copyright!

i don’t have to, the LAW defines it very clearly: “PROPERTY – Not only money and other tangible things of value, but also includes any intangible right considered as a source or element of income or wealth.”

property doesn’t = physical or tangible. property = VALUE. just like working. When you go to work each day, most likely you’re not doing anything tangible. it’s value. If your job is to talk on the phone all day, you don’t do anything tangible. So if your boss came up to you at the end of the day and said “i’m not going to pay you for your hard work today” you would, of course, thank him for being so forward thinking…right? you would also, of course, continue to come into work everyday, hoping your boss might one day decide to pay you…right? of course you would!

“Oh! lets not forget that the industry is making deals with social networks like MySpace to let users listen to music for free”
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probably shouldn’t have brought that up. internet advertising is not the godsend everyone thought it was. the myspace music thing is failing hard just like all the other free services that try to monetize themselves. not even BITTORRENT INC has figured out a way to do it! and yet that is what you all ask of the entertainment companies: FIND A WAY…even when the underlining technology can’t find a way and fails massively in attempting to do so.

and now bram cohen, the creator of the protocol subsists on the occasional bit of charity from an infinitesimally small minority of bittorrent’s 160 million + worldwide user base, the vast majority of whom will never donate a dime to him despite the wealth of illegal content they’ve been able to enjoy because of his creativity and work.

and this is the exact same population the artists and content creators should now put their faith in?

no f***ing thanks!

“Prove to us that internet sharing is making people consume less or stop buying digital products in a digital age.”
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spain has the highest piracy rate pro capite and the one of the lowest legal download rates europe. you can cite “post hoc ergo propter hoc” till you’re blue in the face and it won’t make the link any less obvious. spain’s legitimate internet downloads are half that of most other member states in the EU despite sometimes two or three times as much illegal consumption. the evidence is plain.

“ROTFLMFAO. According to the two rights that you listed from the ‘united nations declaration of human rights [sic]‘ filesharing is a right and corporate ownership of copyrights is a violation of those human rights.”
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no body of law has ever interpreted them as such and i don’t know how they could. explain your reasoning or piss off.

“BTW, whining that you don’t like Spanish law won’t change it, at least not to non-Spaniards. ”
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spain is free to make whatever rules they like regarding copyright law. it now their laws that is in question, merely their undeserved membership in a number of international treaties that their economy relies on. if they want to keep their membership they will have to make many, many changes in their law. simple.

your contention is misguided. the crux of your (ignorant) anger revolves not around american imperialism but internationl law which has been around since medieval times. “Sry, but deal with it” as one of the other idiots so eloquently put…

ROTFLMFAO. According to the two rights that you listed from the ‘united nations declaration of human rights [sic]‘ filesharing is a right and corporate ownership of copyrights is a violation of those human rights.

BTW, whining that you don’t like Spanish law won’t change it, at least not to non-Spaniards. If your goal was to come here and convice everyone that you are wrong, you have succeeded.

in Canada 50 year copyright anything made RIGHT NOW how is to benefit you in almost a lifetime? IT WONT

in USA its life of author +95 years

it was created originally to give an author a limited time compensation for being “INNOVATIVE”

that’s over now all you hear form actors and musicians is MONEY MONEY MONEY , that is no longer art.

Scalping tickets, SONY ROOTKITS.
NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR.
Imagine GM selling you a car and then sending people to your house and sitting in your car overnight!
YOUR NOT HAPPY BOUT THAT ARE YOU.
OR making locks for your home then sending people to your house and going into your home without your permission or any legal right.

THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS, to say that some kid getting a movie , game,tv ep , application or anything is doing something illegal. BETTER SMARTEN UP AND LESSON COPYRIGHT 1st.

UNTIL ITS SANE, GAME ON BOYS N GIRLS.downlaod away…..

ANSWER:
AXXO BE THY NAME ;)

this is a really good read!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/scene-stealer-the-axxo-files-1214699.html

it’s heart wrenching

How much those the entertainment industry paid in taxes and how much the people paid?

How much is the economic impact of the peoples rights being taken away and how much it will cost to take away the right of copyright owners?

What are the impacts on a country from copyrights?

Where are the good and that bad state in a clear way?

Article about the then president G.W. Bush ripping Cds LoL

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/social-networks/

So there you have spotify, pandora, myspace and a bunch of others that people don’t pay nothing but are ok and don’t cause problems but filesharing does someone could explain that to me?

I’ll play your little game.

‘“And you’re apparently ignorant of the fact that each country only need to implement the minimum requirement of a directive in accordance with their own laws…”
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the “minimum” is not correct phrasing and even if it was — spain hasn’t. they have done virtually nothing to protect IP in ANY FORM.’

Like I wrote, no EU country has to do more then what their constitution says … oh, I’m sorry that would be the EU convention, you know the whole thing that is the constitution of every EU country. Go figure, even if it wasn’t for the Bern Convention.

“this is why almost 95% of spain’s cinemas were recently on strike. no doubt they’ll be striking again soon the way things keep deteriorating.”

Yep, must be why peeps strike, right? Couldn’t have’d something to do with something more down to earth, like getting paid in a time when the entertainment industry actually close down a couple of hundred cinemas and mulitplex’s

‘“There’s no EU directive which mandates criminal procedures against P2P users. Plain and simple.”
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that is obviously correct and i never said otherwise. the mandate is much more broad than that. however, this doesn’t make p2p piracy exempt from anything.’

P2P isn’t illegal, it’s just a protocol on the Internet for communication, no more no less.

Is speaking on the phone illegal?

‘“Spain only considers copyright infringement a crime when there’s economic profit and that’s perfectly ok with EU directives and international treaties.”
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LOL, this could not be more wrong. go study some more. while the legalese is intentionally broad as to what exact measures should be taken to protect IP, spain fails to protect it in the very broadest sense by failing the berne 3 step test.’

Since I didn’t write it, I can’t claim any right to it, but yes it is right, it isn’t illegal in Spain to download files, no matter who the rights belong to as long as you don’t do it for a commercial purpose. Just as in Canada or the Netherlands. Oh, and a few eastern, now included in the EU, countries.

Sry, but deal with it.

And everything else is just pure crap, ’cause you couldn’t defend yer own damn arguments, to boot.

Hey, figure this one, the US economy’s lame compared to the economy of the EU. ;-)

Limitations and exceptions

- special cases:
The internet is a special case, it’s not true? prove that is not then please!
- do not conflict with a normal exploitation of the work.
Prove to us that it does conflict with normal exploitation of any work please because if that is true TV and radio stations should be treated as such.
- do not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the rights holder.
Don’t see how is prejudicing anything since digital markets are growing the big lie of the industry is that is effecting their whole sales when the only thing going down is the old media called CD like any other legacy technology like vinyl and cassette tapes that are seeing a decrease in sales, on the other hand in a global recession digital sales and deals are seeing growth of 50% or more in some cases even in Spain, concerts are still a revenue stream so no there is no bad impact on the owners rights, they still can sell merchandise and expect solid sales where is the prejudice then?

Prove to us that internet sharing is making people consume less or stop buying digital products in a digital age.

ARTICLE 17:Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

Define property please! Because anyone can see that intellectual property is not realistically or reasonably enforceable in any world you live on and trying to do so violates basic human rights and cause more problems that it solves. So the law is wrong and intellectual property should be divorced from the public domain and stay in the commercial domain even if it hurts the rights of the creators because society is more important then a minority that don’t even contribute that much for the economy society does.

So no, copyright should have limits and it is good to see that some governments have good sense.

the “minimum” is not correct phrasing and even if it was — spain hasn’t. they have done virtually nothing to protect IP in ANY FORM.

this is why almost 95% of spain’s cinemas were recently on strike. no doubt they’ll be striking again soon the way things keep deteriorating.

“There’s no EU directive which mandates criminal procedures against P2P users. Plain and simple.”
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that is obviously correct and i never said otherwise. the mandate is much more broad than that. however, this doesn’t make p2p piracy exempt from anything.

“Spain only considers copyright infringement a crime when there’s economic profit and that’s perfectly ok with EU directives and international treaties.”
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LOL, this could not be more wrong. go study some more. while the legalese is intentionally broad as to what exact measures should be taken to protect IP, spain fails to protect it in the very broadest sense by failing the berne 3 step test.

they’re not doing much better at curbing physical piracy either despite the rare bust now and then. anyone whose been there in the last few years can attest that pirated product is for sale everywhere. not only by talentless, parasitic individuals operating out of backpacks and vehicles but stores and markets operated by owners without shame or morals.

and when you consider this: “The three-step test may prove to be extremely important if any nations attempt to reduce the scope of copyright law, because unless the WTO decides that their modifications comply with the test, such states are LIKELY TO FACE TRADE SANCTIONS.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_three-step_test

it is pretty obvious that spain will soon be forced into a difficult corner where only compliance with stricter copyright protections is a feasible outcome.

“USA copyright law is illegal by nature. This violates basic human rights, as the free exchange of information and culture with others, by any medium; digital or physical.”
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this is the wishful thinking of a communist idiot. please show me where any such right-to-distribute exists. in the meantime i will show you TWO HUMAN RIGHTS that actually DO EXIST as outlined by the united nations declaration of human rights:

ARTICLE 17:Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

ARTICLE 27: Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Oh, I’m sorry Sir, but apparantly your idiot facts are wrong.

Most peeps’re smart enough to only expect free when it is given to them for free, the rest of the time they actually expect to be trapped, but, however, there doesn’t seem to be all that many trappers … if you don’t count the ones who step in their own stupid hole, that is.

Nay, rather the Bush regime, who blah blah blah fucked up the world.

And it’s very nice o US today to keep exporting their fears to the rest of the world, instead of exporting such stupid stuff as liberty, which actually was the whole point to begin with. but hey, who’s keeping tabs, right?

“You are an idiot.”

Yep.

My IQ tests only went so far as to show I wasn’t da only rocket fueled bomb in da world. But hey, you just have to accept reality, but of course if one is u one prolly has second thoughts.

Oh, and guess how much of the money that the RIAA have ‘recouped’ through fines they have passed on to these ‘dirt poor’ musicians. Go on, have a guess. It’s £0.00. A sum total of $0.00. They have passed on something in the region of 0.0000000000000000000000000% to the bands they claim to care so much about. This one fact alone proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the RIAA are liars, hypocrites and con-artists. They don’t care about the bands any more than I do. Less, probably, since I do buy *some* albums, and go to shows, and buy shirts and stuff.

Fuck the RIAA. They are nothing more than contemptable pieces of shit.

Um, if you’re going to post, please do so legibly. I can’t tell what on Earth you’re trying to say.