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		<title>By: Not DRM, it just isn't</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-529513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not DRM, it just isn't]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to agree with the few who have gotten it right, this isn&#039;t DRM - Digital Signatures like this are not designed to control, limit or give a crap about &quot;digital rights&quot;, they do not manage digital rights.
So clearly not DRM.

What Digital Signatures do is simply mark a executable as trustworthy, checked and signed by a independent to let a person know that it did indeed come from the company in question, and to help protect the exe from tampering after publication - for the purpose of preventing people from injecting malware, NOT to prevent copying or manage &quot;rights&quot; in any way.

Saying that this braking and stopping people from playing the game suddenly makes it DRM, is like saying that if a patch broke the Direct X API and caused the game to crash every time, that Direct X is suddenly DRM (or the patch was DRM?).

Hell I just downloaded some new drivers for my Vidcard, and ZOMGS they have a digital signature! Quick phone the press, Nvidia uses DRM on their publicly available, freely distributable drivers... 
Again, Digital signature is there so if someone downloads it from say filefront, it&#039;s got a much less chance of being fake, or having been tampered with if the signature is in tact.

Hell, Digital Signature shares more in common with a MD5 checksum than it does Securom or other such DRM systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to agree with the few who have gotten it right, this isn&#8217;t DRM &#8211; Digital Signatures like this are not designed to control, limit or give a crap about &#8220;digital rights&#8221;, they do not manage digital rights.<br />
So clearly not DRM.</p>
<p>What Digital Signatures do is simply mark a executable as trustworthy, checked and signed by a independent to let a person know that it did indeed come from the company in question, and to help protect the exe from tampering after publication &#8211; for the purpose of preventing people from injecting malware, NOT to prevent copying or manage &#8220;rights&#8221; in any way.</p>
<p>Saying that this braking and stopping people from playing the game suddenly makes it DRM, is like saying that if a patch broke the Direct X API and caused the game to crash every time, that Direct X is suddenly DRM (or the patch was DRM?).</p>
<p>Hell I just downloaded some new drivers for my Vidcard, and ZOMGS they have a digital signature! Quick phone the press, Nvidia uses DRM on their publicly available, freely distributable drivers&#8230;<br />
Again, Digital signature is there so if someone downloads it from say filefront, it&#8217;s got a much less chance of being fake, or having been tampered with if the signature is in tact.</p>
<p>Hell, Digital Signature shares more in common with a MD5 checksum than it does Securom or other such DRM systems.</p>
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		<title>By: economy forum</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-529373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[economy forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am still pissed at rockstar for screwing us gamers on GTA3.

Do you guys remember the WAIT we had after it came out for xbox/ps2 and when it finally did it was ported, ran like shit and had no multiplayer.

grrr

-jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still pissed at rockstar for screwing us gamers on GTA3.</p>
<p>Do you guys remember the WAIT we had after it came out for xbox/ps2 and when it finally did it was ported, ran like shit and had no multiplayer.</p>
<p>grrr</p>
<p>-jim</p>
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		<title>By: }{Bucky O'Hare}{</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-529124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[}{Bucky O'Hare}{]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eugenio Hertz,did you know before EA was forced to take out their DRM on spore was cause you literally only got 3 installs and you couldnt play it any more, meaning you reformat 3 times and its over, you needed to get another copy, so people boycotted it and downloaded it instead, it wouldve been different if it said it on the box but it didn&#039;t. Tell me a game that says securerom protected, meaning if you got a dvd burner which most of us do, you cant play the game. So now on top of buying the game i have to by another non burning cdrom drive, or you need an internet connection to activate this product, the problem is they dont tell you they just do it, i mean really the companies want to play hard ball sneaky deaky crap and then cry when people find out and download a clean version. Why am i going to spend $60.00 on a game to have stuff installed on my computer that I dont want, why should I buy a game that limits how many installs i can do. Its my pc, my game i bought both, so they&#039;re mine, i didnt &quot;rent&quot; the game I bought it. Aaannnndd we all know if you took a game home and were like wait i dont agree with the lincence you cant take the game back to the store cause you opened the box, and cant send it back to EA for example cause the disk it&#039;s self is not damaged. So in all these senarios I just got screwed out of $60.00 bucks. SO VVVIIIIIVVVAAA LAAAAS UTORRENT, VVVIIIIIVVVAAA LAAAAS UTORRENT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenio Hertz,did you know before EA was forced to take out their DRM on spore was cause you literally only got 3 installs and you couldnt play it any more, meaning you reformat 3 times and its over, you needed to get another copy, so people boycotted it and downloaded it instead, it wouldve been different if it said it on the box but it didn&#8217;t. Tell me a game that says securerom protected, meaning if you got a dvd burner which most of us do, you cant play the game. So now on top of buying the game i have to by another non burning cdrom drive, or you need an internet connection to activate this product, the problem is they dont tell you they just do it, i mean really the companies want to play hard ball sneaky deaky crap and then cry when people find out and download a clean version. Why am i going to spend $60.00 on a game to have stuff installed on my computer that I dont want, why should I buy a game that limits how many installs i can do. Its my pc, my game i bought both, so they&#8217;re mine, i didnt &#8220;rent&#8221; the game I bought it. Aaannnndd we all know if you took a game home and were like wait i dont agree with the lincence you cant take the game back to the store cause you opened the box, and cant send it back to EA for example cause the disk it&#8217;s self is not damaged. So in all these senarios I just got screwed out of $60.00 bucks. SO VVVIIIIIVVVAAA LAAAAS UTORRENT, VVVIIIIIVVVAAA LAAAAS UTORRENT!</p>
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		<title>By: }{Bucky O'Hare}{</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-529122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[}{Bucky O'Hare}{]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HAHA thats why I wount buy games any more, you all buy these games and get in the ass, eg. spore, Gow2,gtaIV, i downloaded them all and not 1 problem but the &quot;honest&quot; people blow $60.00 bucks a pop and wham! you cant play anymore, or you buy it then got to wait for the rest of the damn game to be &quot;patched&quot; The only pirates there are are the companies selling you the product and telling you how long you can play. VIVA LA utorrent! World of goo eh? haven&#039;t tried that 1. But in 12hrs I will :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA thats why I wount buy games any more, you all buy these games and get in the ass, eg. spore, Gow2,gtaIV, i downloaded them all and not 1 problem but the &#8220;honest&#8221; people blow $60.00 bucks a pop and wham! you cant play anymore, or you buy it then got to wait for the rest of the damn game to be &#8220;patched&#8221; The only pirates there are are the companies selling you the product and telling you how long you can play. VIVA LA utorrent! World of goo eh? haven&#8217;t tried that 1. But in 12hrs I will :P</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenio Hertz</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-529005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugenio Hertz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NO reason to use DRM ? So the companies are what? EVIL Co.?

Maybe you should invest 2 years of your life and money on something that can go up to 90% piracy (World of goo), and then you start thinking again.

Problem to me is that people cant understand exactly what DRM means.

Some minds just think straight and simple equation: DRM = BAD.(PERIOD)

Well its NOT BAD, but the way they are implementing, THIS IS BAD AND MESSY.

If this GEARS certificate had never expired, and if you could authorize or deauthorize PCs on Spore since the beginning, none of these breaking news would ever be written, and then you would NEVER know what a DRM is.

I mean IS, because what it really MEANS, people haven´t learn or read about even today, after 6 months of DRM started the trouble.


Ok maybe companies are EVIL. So its your chance to invest HEAVILY on a game, and just release it without any DRM, or any copy protection (securom is also a lucifer´s tool, right?).

Just trust people, everyone will buy it. Maybe this 90% piracy on &quot;world of goo&quot; was a lie planted by its own creators to ensure everyones will to use DRMs and SECUROMS...

BECAUSE... you know, they are EVIL too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO reason to use DRM ? So the companies are what? EVIL Co.?</p>
<p>Maybe you should invest 2 years of your life and money on something that can go up to 90% piracy (World of goo), and then you start thinking again.</p>
<p>Problem to me is that people cant understand exactly what DRM means.</p>
<p>Some minds just think straight and simple equation: DRM = BAD.(PERIOD)</p>
<p>Well its NOT BAD, but the way they are implementing, THIS IS BAD AND MESSY.</p>
<p>If this GEARS certificate had never expired, and if you could authorize or deauthorize PCs on Spore since the beginning, none of these breaking news would ever be written, and then you would NEVER know what a DRM is.</p>
<p>I mean IS, because what it really MEANS, people haven´t learn or read about even today, after 6 months of DRM started the trouble.</p>
<p>Ok maybe companies are EVIL. So its your chance to invest HEAVILY on a game, and just release it without any DRM, or any copy protection (securom is also a lucifer´s tool, right?).</p>
<p>Just trust people, everyone will buy it. Maybe this 90% piracy on &#8220;world of goo&#8221; was a lie planted by its own creators to ensure everyones will to use DRMs and SECUROMS&#8230;</p>
<p>BECAUSE&#8230; you know, they are EVIL too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-528826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the backup. I&#039;ve been on the verge of leaving thanks to the sheer rudeness and unwillingness to &quot;lose&quot; an arguement - Apart from a few select posters, *most* of the community seems to so focused against DRM that they&#039;re unwilling to actually listen to the counter arguement, preferring to call us propagandists instead of doing some research and seeing what the problem really is (and i&#039;m not talking about just believing what some executive said, I was saying this before that was reported). I&#039;d actually like to thank Ben, who has been explaining why he considers it DRM (tbh I think we&#039;re just using 2 different viewpoints - that he says &quot;it&#039;s restricting = it&#039;s drm&quot; whereas I&#039;m thinking &quot;it&#039;s not meant to restrict = it&#039;s not drm&quot;. fair enough if that&#039;s the case, I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to stick it under the banner of DRM), and EZEE didn&#039;t jump on the flame wagon, replying in a fairly nice way. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the backup. I&#039;ve been on the verge of leaving thanks to the sheer rudeness and unwillingness to &quot;lose&quot; an arguement &#8211; Apart from a few select posters, *most* of the community seems to so focused against DRM that they&#039;re unwilling to actually listen to the counter arguement, preferring to call us propagandists instead of doing some research and seeing what the problem really is (and i&#039;m not talking about just believing what some executive said, I was saying this before that was reported). I&#039;d actually like to thank Ben, who has been explaining why he considers it DRM (tbh I think we&#039;re just using 2 different viewpoints &#8211; that he says &quot;it&#039;s restricting = it&#039;s drm&quot; whereas I&#039;m thinking &quot;it&#039;s not meant to restrict = it&#039;s not drm&quot;. fair enough if that&#039;s the case, I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to stick it under the banner of DRM), and EZEE didn&#039;t jump on the flame wagon, replying in a fairly nice way. </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-528820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what? I would have dignified you with a proper reply had you not been so rude but you&#039;re clearly a kid with anger issues. You should get help before you lash out at the wrong person and end up worse for wear because of it. 
 
Also, broken link. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? I would have dignified you with a proper reply had you not been so rude but you&#039;re clearly a kid with anger issues. You should get help before you lash out at the wrong person and end up worse for wear because of it. </p>
<p>Also, broken link. </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-528818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The level editor is probably blocked because it uses that .exe too, and it doesn&#039;t work without a valid cert. I can&#039;t really say more than that because I&#039;m not sure how the level editor functions. 
 
Also, look at your definition for DRM: &quot;control what someone can do with what they&#039;ve purchased.&quot; - so, restricting ... but why? We all know that it does nothing to stop piracy, so why use it? Restriction for restriction&#039;s sake, at least IMO - in spore, for example, where 3 installs only was enforced until they were pressured to change it. If you really want to call it a form of DRM, then OK, it is, but if you&#039;re going to that extent, then Anti-Virus programs are a form of DRM when they deny you access to an infected file, any Operating System when it refuses to run a program not designed for it, or programs that terminate themselves if there&#039;s an error to stop any &quot;potential damage&quot; to the system. 
 
Many other games use this system of checking a certificate method as an anti-cheat device, and the vast majority of the time it works as intended. It wouldn&#039;t have kicked off this time either had someone not stuck a date on the certificate, which they never, ever should have done. This is the main reason why I don&#039;t consider this DRM - in a functional state, it won&#039;t have expired and the game will still work. It was done wrong and now operates in a matter *similar* to DRM, but there was no intent to restrict so I can&#039;t call it DRM. You aren&#039;t restricted from playing offline with a cracked .exe, and even some of those cracked ones were taken out by this. 
 
As for the time to patch - probably something to do with how patches get authorised. I&#039;m not entirely sure how it works, but I&#039;m pretty sure that patches need to be tested and authorised by the Games for Windows LIVE... board? team? whatever they are, it needs to be checked by them first (awesome testing in the first place btw) before they sign it off and it&#039;s made available to download. If it were down to me, I would have just resigned the version that was last signed and stuck that up for download. I&#039;m guessing that they&#039;re either not cutting the red tape and have to do the testing again, or they&#039;ve submitted a new version of the .exe - in which case, it will need more testing. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The level editor is probably blocked because it uses that .exe too, and it doesn&#039;t work without a valid cert. I can&#039;t really say more than that because I&#039;m not sure how the level editor functions. </p>
<p>Also, look at your definition for DRM: &quot;control what someone can do with what they&#039;ve purchased.&quot; &#8211; so, restricting &#8230; but why? We all know that it does nothing to stop piracy, so why use it? Restriction for restriction&#039;s sake, at least IMO &#8211; in spore, for example, where 3 installs only was enforced until they were pressured to change it. If you really want to call it a form of DRM, then OK, it is, but if you&#039;re going to that extent, then Anti-Virus programs are a form of DRM when they deny you access to an infected file, any Operating System when it refuses to run a program not designed for it, or programs that terminate themselves if there&#039;s an error to stop any &quot;potential damage&quot; to the system. </p>
<p>Many other games use this system of checking a certificate method as an anti-cheat device, and the vast majority of the time it works as intended. It wouldn&#039;t have kicked off this time either had someone not stuck a date on the certificate, which they never, ever should have done. This is the main reason why I don&#039;t consider this DRM &#8211; in a functional state, it won&#039;t have expired and the game will still work. It was done wrong and now operates in a matter *similar* to DRM, but there was no intent to restrict so I can&#039;t call it DRM. You aren&#039;t restricted from playing offline with a cracked .exe, and even some of those cracked ones were taken out by this. </p>
<p>As for the time to patch &#8211; probably something to do with how patches get authorised. I&#039;m not entirely sure how it works, but I&#039;m pretty sure that patches need to be tested and authorised by the Games for Windows LIVE&#8230; board? team? whatever they are, it needs to be checked by them first (awesome testing in the first place btw) before they sign it off and it&#039;s made available to download. If it were down to me, I would have just resigned the version that was last signed and stuck that up for download. I&#039;m guessing that they&#039;re either not cutting the red tape and have to do the testing again, or they&#039;ve submitted a new version of the .exe &#8211; in which case, it will need more testing. </p>
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		<title>By: roninmodern</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certificates aren&#039;t a DRM issue...When the certificate on a website expires and you can&#039;t view the website until they update their certificate is that a DRM issue?  It&#039;s the exact same type of certificate. 
 
And as for you having the rights to modify the software, you don&#039;t.  You don&#039;t own the software, you license it from the company.  Any modification of the code usually violates the EULA that you agree to to play the game, and as Blizzard Entertainment has show, the EULA holds up in court as a legal document. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certificates aren&#039;t a DRM issue&#8230;When the certificate on a website expires and you can&#039;t view the website until they update their certificate is that a DRM issue?  It&#039;s the exact same type of certificate. </p>
<p>And as for you having the rights to modify the software, you don&#039;t.  You don&#039;t own the software, you license it from the company.  Any modification of the code usually violates the EULA that you agree to to play the game, and as Blizzard Entertainment has show, the EULA holds up in court as a legal document. </p>
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		<title>By:       </title>
		<link>/drm-jams-the-gears-of-war-090130/#comment-528681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[      ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;DRM meant to prevent cheating&quot;. Cheat prevention is, and always has been, the responsibility of serverside cheat-detection algorithms and live human admins, not some DRM system hardwired into the fucking game client.  
 
Nice try attempting to justify Digital Rights Management.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;DRM meant to prevent cheating&quot;. Cheat prevention is, and always has been, the responsibility of serverside cheat-detection algorithms and live human admins, not some DRM system hardwired into the fucking game client.  </p>
<p>Nice try attempting to justify Digital Rights Management.   </p>
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