Comments on: Dutch ISP’s are rethinking collaboration with BREIN

By: Magnolia

Magnolia — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:03:55 +0000

What are possible penalties for illegal downloading of software in the Netherlands? Have there been many cases than individual persons had to pay fines for illegal down/up loading?

By: Chameleon

Chameleon — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:49:11 +0000

Its easy enough for them to get around though – you have to sign some sort of agreement with them, all they have to do is include in that that they have the right to forward your details on to whomever they want to… I would think noone would want to sign up with them though (even now people are likely to be leaving in droves)

By: Vomov

Vomov — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:41:49 +0000

The publishing of private information to a third party is in violation of multiple laws.

By: Dutch court forces isp to hand over name at Torrentfreak

Dutch court forces isp to hand over name at Torrentfreak — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:02:17 +0000

[...] Last week we reported that UPC said they were planning to release the names and addresses of some of the “heavy” illegal filesharers. However, UPC took back this statement, and let the judge decide. [...]

By: Ernesto

Ernesto — Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:10:14 +0000

first of all, BREIN is not a law enforcement agency. They don’t have any form of legal power. The only thing BREIN can do is ask the judge to force UPC to give them personal info (just like everyone else in the netherlands).

So it is strange that UPC takes this action, and it opens up possibilities for UPC customers to start their own lawsuit in order to protect their privacy.

UPC should keep personal info cinfidential, unless a judge decides otherwise…

By: altpd

altpd — Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:13:14 +0000

could someone from netherlands answer this queastion for me if a ip address is protected by your privacy laws and the upc isp gives the personal infomation to anyone other than a law enforcent agency like brein woud that open up upc to all kinds of lawsuits?

By: Marco Raaphorst

Marco Raaphorst — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:26:21 +0000

I hope to see discussions about this. BREIN’s view on downloading is simply wrong. Although it is true bittorrent makes any user an uploader, most people won’t upload the whole file but just the small packets, so where does the law fit in? It’s not a true file-upload but a broken one. And a broken upload is not playable, is not the real thing and is not a copy. It’s just a bunch of ‘broken’ bits :)

By: Ernesto

Ernesto — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:27:22 +0000

heh, I was just about to edit the phrase
Filesharers might be more appropriate here
I’m aware that downloading is legal in the Netherlands (except software btw)

Anyway, if you’re using bittorrent is wont make a difference.. ;)

By: quosego

quosego — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:19:14 +0000

some of the heavy downloaders to BREIN.

It is likely that you meant uploaders instead off downloaders, downloading is not illegal in the netherlands. (thank god...) and even the uploading part is debatable due to vague laws etc.