So many of those suffering because of piracy are quite the opposite: simply artists, writers, musicians, and other creators, who are just trying to make a living from their work so that they continue to create. Let’s also not forget that many record labels – especially smaller and independent labels – are truly aiming to create music with artistic value and integrity.

Neither these labels nor most artists can afford to operate as charities, or are lucky enough to be independently wealthy. We do not live in a socialist culture where one need not worry about income, after all. Many musicians – and often those with the greatest artistic integrity – barely scrape by financially as is. Why should such people be villainized for expecting quite reasonably to be paid when their work is valued and “consumed”?

File-sharing is sexy because reproduction is sexy. ;)
Freedom is sexy. :)

A lot of sexy people here on Torrentfreak…

…except the industry moles. ;P

> Viviane Reding joined the debate, focusing on the need for reconciliation between the almost warring factions.

Moot point. The war has already been won by file-sharers.

> However, the fact that both sides are reluctant to see the world from the perspective of the other, progress is being held back.

False, and a moot point anyway, since the world has already changed and there’s loads of file-sharing/bit-torrent/hacking/etc. progress. Anyone’s potentially a free content provider.
Check out Archive.org or Kahvi.org or even You Tube for 3 examples.

> …with many in the file-sharing community more determined than ever to preserve their activities and nurture their beloved hobby, often in a particularly proud way, a point not lost on Reding.

Hardly a hobby for some. Various industries, such as software, promote virtual monopolies with costly closed-source apps and their customers end up being locked in.
Do the industries want a free market or not? Well, file sharing is now an element of it. It’s competition. So suck it up and compete.

> Noting that this age group should become the “foundation of our digital economy, of new innovation and new growth opportunities,”

They already are, despite the apparent whims of the corporate suits to maybe bring them over to their side and/or turn them against each other. For one, they are enabling file-sharing technology and hacking monopolistic software such as Photoshop for poor designers to share, use and learn from. Meanwhile, open source developers in many age groups are closing in. Also, such as on You Tube, we have become the new mainstream media. We create and consuming our own media, as it should be, so if the old one dried up tomorrow, we’d have plenty of good stuff to enjoy.
Ever seen Zeitgeist or Steal This Film or that Star Trek farce (forget the title)?

> It is necessary to penalize those who are breaking the law.

No, it is necessary to change the law if it goes against what the citizenry want and/or what is ethical, regardless of whether or not you think that it is a bunch of ’16-24 year old hobbiests’.

> Have we considered all alternative options to repression?

Repression?! WTF?

> In my view, growing Internet piracy is a vote of no-confidence in existing business models and legal solutions. It should be a wake-up call for policy-makers.”

Smarten up: The policy makers are the people. The government are the people. Those elected are merely puppets to effect the whims of those who elect them. The word ‘power’ to describe a politician’s position is inaccurate. I prefer civil servant. Note ‘civil’, as opposed to ‘corporate’.

> If the media companies don’t make access to online media easier and more attractive “we could lose a whole generation as supporters of artistic creation and legal use of digital services. Economically, socially, and culturally, this would be a tragedy,” she said.

Nonsense. Media is not necessarily, and doesn’t need to be, provided by companies, and it may be far and away better off for it.

> Scaring people into becoming a customer is not a sustainable business model.

(shakes head)

> It is up to the entertainment companies to ensure that the route Internet users take to media is via their door, and not to that of the nearest torrent site.

On the contrary. It is up to those companies to get into another line of work. Try fishing for cod in the northern atlantic.

> When that will be is anyone’s guess. My guess is no time soon.

Ya whatever.

I feel the need for the value chain in music business to getting shortened…dropping the record labels out of the game. This is why they are fighting with all means, from bribing Police officers in Sweden who contest against TBP to imposing new legislation in their favour in many countries. This is their battle of D E A T H and they will “hopefully” die sooner than later.

Instead of a centralized distribution (what they want), distro has gone atomic (what we want), and this will be opening many opportunities for small efficient companies catering to the Artists: from concert organisation, studio work, lyrics, marketing campaigns…before it were the BIG Lables who decided to drop or support new talents…now it’s going to be our decision. The one delivers all business model in music is dead. FACE IT BMG, SONY & Co.!

Take a glimpse at the car industry. They don’t build all of their parts themselves, assemble them, market them…they assemble thousands of parts and pieces catered from specialized companies around the globe…sadly they can’t be delivered in bits and bytes over the NET, but music and it’s services can. That is the future, a future without any big, monopolistic pricing, stone age, American nerd, record label!

but i will say it again, until the entire content of the recorded human experience is available on-line and on demand no one’s going to stop pirating. period.

They’re brokers, not creators, and now the consumers owe them something?

People are under no mandate to be paying consumers of any product, and certainly not when the supplier absolutely refuses to update the means of distribution.

If you don’t provide the product people demand, then they’ll go to the supplier that does. It’s economics 101.

Sorry, Content Nazis. Adapt or die.

This also happens with many authors and artist. They are just hired to do their work, and piracy don’t affect their income because a salary was previously agreed.

I don’t think it is going to happen but what does happen if piracy destroys the business? Nothing new. New technologies have frecuently destroyed previous business (and have created new ones). Some people become unemployed. A nasty thing but they do get paid for their work until they were fired, as any other people.

In other cases authors and artist fist create the work and later try to get money from it. Sometimes they get success sometimes not. They assume the risk and sometimes they lose. Nobody forced them and this happened too long time before Internet started to exist.

Artist get 4.5 cents per song sold at iTunes. You say the lack of these 4.5 cents is a disaster for artist but what does happen with the other 94.5 cents? A music downloader is not stealing, he is just enjoying music. He is not getting someone’s else money. Record labels are the true robbers, they steal almost everything of artist income.

You really are an idiot, who lack of arguments. Here the people don’t care about your stupid words, that a waste of time.

You are not more that a troll payed by the RIAA, that’s all.

now that’s not really that hard in real life to do, and so whom is harmed by non commercial uses again?
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and again artists talking 1st about money not about art, if you over price your crap products then you deserve to get pirates. That is what happens in a free market when you do not listen to your customers.
YA art dont call your self an artist or the work art if all you yap on about is MONEY

Bingo.

Said it before, say it again:

This is not about copyright theft, this is about the failure of the copyright industry to adapt their business model to the technological, economic, and social realities of the the 21st century. The longer they hold out and use heavy handed legalistic means to block these necessary changes, the worse it will be for them, and society generally.

It’s funny to watch you throw a tantrum, neostyles. Don’t ever change.

if you happen to do a job that DOESN’T involve making a PHYSICAL PRODUCT then you AREN’T doing anything more tangible than a musician…and your boss should have complete FREEDOM not to pay you for the ethereal, meaningless portions of your workday when, lets face it, you’re not really working at all, just selling things or answering phones or punching buttons on a register…

and you should be happy to do these intangible things for FREE otherwise (obviously) you’re a greedy corporate-minded pig.

AND MAYBE if your boss REALLY thinks you did a good job one day(i mean…a REALLY good job) then hopefully you were forward-thinking enough to have set up a paypal account for those occasional two or thee dollar donations!

WOW! just think of all the things you can buy from the vending machine now! it boggles the mind!

THIS IS TRULY THE FUTURE!!!!

Simple as that. Piracy has overwritten people’s notions of buying things.

Sorry, sweetums, but pirates buy more than the average consumer.

You seem to be at odds with reality. Have you considered medication?

When hundreds of thousands (in many case, millions) of people just hand out copyrighted material to each other over bittorrent, they are depriving the creators/entertainment industry of their rightful profits and any potential to expand and grow.

You can’t even prove that one single, solitary filesharer is depriving anybody of anything. This makes your sweeping generalization rather entertaining.

By the way, only the artists have a right to profit. The copyright holders have no right whatsoever to profit when they do nothing but sit there and freeload.

But the copyright holders somehow escape your wrath. More entertainment.

It’s also the most selfish thing imaginable.

HAHAHAHAHA

SHARING WITH OTHERS is the most selfish thing imaginable?

You are truly disconnected from reality.

If your going to try to pretend you are superior to someone, atleast respond to their post and dont shy away like a little girl.

Why should he even bother? It’s obvious to anyone that you’re a MAFIAA employee.

Oh, and if you’re going to pretend to be superior to someone, don’t confuse “your” with “you’re”. I usually don’t care about these things, but the irony’s just too funny to pass up.

Also, I’m taking your name. Because I know it deeply annoys you :D

“http://www.telecomtv.com/comspace_newsDetail.aspx?n=45221&id=e9381817-0593-417a-8639-c4c53e 2a2a10

Over the past five years Viviane Reding has proven herself to be a doughty and determined defender of consumer rights, often the the chagrin, annoyance and downright anger of the telecoms industry in general and the mobile sector in particular.

Here in the UK at the moment we are seeing self-congratulatory advertising from the likes of Vodafone trumpeting that British holidaymakers roaming in Europe this summer will pay no more for their calls in France, Italy or elsewhere in the 27 states than they would at home.

What they fail to mention is that the reductions in roaming charges and termination rates were forced upon them by Ms. Reding and that they fought against them tooth and nail.
”

“EU law requires that the Commissioner posts be re-distributed by then and industry chiefs in countries such as Germany, Spain and the UK are known to want rid of her because of the damage that her championing of consumer rights has done to their revenues, profits and balance sheets.”
”

“As that rare animal, a third-term Commissioner, Ms. Reding will be a very senior and influential member of the team headed by the new President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.

He’ll have to handle her next appointment carefully. She is very popular with consumers and has indicated that she really does want to stay where she is for the next five years.
”

“The scuttlebutt is that Ms. Reding could well be appointed to the post of competition commissioner or put in charge of Europe’s internal market. So, however you look at it seems likely that she will remain in a position of real power for the next five years and that the telecoms industry will be subject to just as much scrutiny, if not even more, than it is at present.

The Terminatrix will be back.

“

Imbecile.

Nope. I think #38 had a very valid point. I had never thought about how piracy is affecting children. They really are growing up thinking that piracy is the way to get things like music, movies, etc.

I don’t think they are the ones affected though. A large portion the older generation (you are living proof of this) has forgotten what paying for things means. Simple as that. Piracy has overwritten people’s notions of buying things.

I’m 42 years old; and I as also many people of my generation have been doing active filesharing since long time ago, even a lot of time before of the invention of the internet.

So what? This is no way proves #38s point wrong. He mentioned the younger generation and they are the ones who have have grown up with the internet and who have been influenced by it’s culture and set of values.

No one suggested that filesharing hasn’t existed before, but the internet has elevated it to an immense (in many case, commercial) scale.

I don’t understand why now sharing some songs with friends is “supposed” piracy… all because the medium for sharing songs
is now different and more efficient? I don’t get it.

You are exactly right. You DON’T understand. At all. When hundreds of thousands (in many case, millions) of people just hand out copyrighted material to each other over bittorrent, they are depriving the creators/entertainment industry of their rightful profits and any potential to expand and grow.

It’s also the most selfish thing imaginable. They aren’t just sharing a “few songs.” It’s more like thousands of albums. You clearly do not understand the bittorrent protocol and how it has effected the entertainment industry.

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@52 Jul 10, 2009 at 20:18 by .neo.styles|nvDX

Once again, simply pathetic.

You know what truly is pathetic? How you dodge people’s posts and then act all condescending. If your going to try to pretend you are superior to someone, atleast respond to their post and dont shy away like a little girl.

There’s promiscuity all around, only not for the common citizen.

They can go suck on a doorknock, as far as I’m conserned.

the existing green party with much more broad support also COMPLETELY adopted the pirate party mantra and has a registered party and POLICY that is exactly what we all want to see,
reduced terms to 12 years, end of patents especially on drugs, non commercial p2p use enshrined in law, and other issues all we want in a REAL party, like hte liberal party in Norway adopting it we have the green party of canada doing so.

So as she said no need of a pirate party whose policies don’t even come close to what the greens advocate.

Support and vote for parties and politicians that WILL keep there word and deliver reforms

Lets hope that this is not all just hot air to try and look like they are doing something. It is time for copyright reform, and for the copyright industry to be forced into being friendly towards their consumers!

I can’t help but feel that the voting of the Pirate Party into the EU parliament has something to do with this – perhaps not directly, but maybe the politicians see it as a threat!
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in the case of Viviane (Reding) You do have a well informed and willing executive fighting for the privacy rights of the EU people.

it was her department after prompting from the “NoDPI” users that have now forced the UK commons to revisit the EU directives on wiretapping, so you are well advised to read her official statements in that light.

and help inform her and her department heads of the good ways to compromise in this fair copyright for the EU people too.

put simply Viviane Reding is a good guy in this respect, please keep that in mind in all your writeings, and help her to help yourselves in the long term….

They claim that downloading is illegal, then why the frak are they saying they are a pirate party.

bunch a chickens

http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/forum/

feel free to ask why they do not support non commercial p2p use!

Look around and see the artists creeping in and you will see what i mean.
goto the chat and tell em i sent ya.

First and foremost RIAA/MPAA are from Gutenberg Era, at 57 its time for RIAA to die.