Comments on: EU to Extend Music Copyright to 95 Years http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:06:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: 90014 http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-457602 90014 Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:58:12 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-457602 $ for nothin and your ckicks for free. $ for nothin and your ckicks for free.

]]> By: okayokay http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-457018 okayokay Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:13:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-457018 need to make it illegal to "rip" music from cd's and fine the music without a license. need to make it illegal to “rip” music from cd’s and fine the music without a license.

]]> By: DeKrow http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-456998 DeKrow Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:47:09 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-456998 The concept that a person can be paid for the rest of their lives for a single achievement would result in the disintegration of society. Make a few good management decisions, then retire to the yacht. Setup an email server and get royalties for every email going in and coming out. Laughable, and obvious in it's stupidity, but directly parallel what they're proposing above. The Mark of Cain work regular jobs and create their music in their spare time, and they're not an entirely unknown band. That's the way it should be, because they're creating their art to satisfy their souls - which is the only true artistic endeavour. Art for the sake of making money is not art, and deserves nothing. The concept that a person can be paid for the rest of their lives for a single achievement would result in the disintegration of society.

Make a few good management decisions, then retire to the yacht. Setup an email server and get royalties for every email going in and coming out. Laughable, and obvious in it’s stupidity, but directly parallel what they’re proposing above.

The Mark of Cain work regular jobs and create their music in their spare time, and they’re not an entirely unknown band. That’s the way it should be, because they’re creating their art to satisfy their souls – which is the only true artistic endeavour. Art for the sake of making money is not art, and deserves nothing.

]]> By: Christopher http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-455323 Christopher Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:49:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-455323 95 YEARS! I am sorry, but if a song has not gotten it's money and isn't still getting money in the FIRST year, it is a dead song, and should fall into the public domain. 95 YEARS! I am sorry, but if a song has not gotten it’s money and isn’t still getting money in the FIRST year, it is a dead song, and should fall into the public domain.

]]> By: PJ http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-455112 PJ Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:45:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-455112 It's true what they say; Copyright is Theft It’s true what they say; Copyright is Theft

]]> By: Gwen http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-455013 Gwen Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:42:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-455013 "23 Jul 15, 2008 at 03:27 by nexus greattt! america the land of the corruption*" You did realize that this article is about proposed EU legislation? (EU means European Union) Oh, and the US of A isn't an EU member state. “23 Jul 15, 2008 at 03:27 by nexus
greattt!
america the land of the corruption*”

You did realize that this article is about proposed EU legislation?

(EU means European Union)

Oh, and the US of A isn’t an EU member state.

]]> By: Puntin 08 http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454514 Puntin 08 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:48:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454514 Why, hello there, Charlie McCreevy! Welcome to the list of politicians bought and payed for by the copyright cartel. I think the funniest part is that he's even trying to pretend it's all for the sake of the poor artists. Yes, Mr.McSleezy, I'm sure all those amazingly long-lived session musicians who must've started out work as a f<i></i>ucking <i>zygote</i> can rest easy, now, thanks to you. This man, he's real philanthropist. Why, hello there, Charlie McCreevy!

Welcome to the list of politicians bought and payed for by the copyright cartel.

I think the funniest part is that he’s even trying to pretend it’s all for the sake of the poor artists. Yes, Mr.McSleezy, I’m sure all those amazingly long-lived session musicians who must’ve started out work as a fucking zygote can rest easy, now, thanks to you.

This man, he’s real philanthropist.

]]> By: the LIE about session musicians http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454447 the LIE about session musicians Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:11:21 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454447 Session musicians are support personnel who are paid cash for their work. They can be employees of recording studios (getting salary and pension) or hired as independent contractors. They do not own copyright, and unlike signed artists, they do not get paid royalties of any kind. (Often their names do not even appear in the credits.) Therefore, extending copyright would not affect session players in the slightest. The vast majority of the time, the copyright is owned by the record label - not the artist - so it is the record labels who will be principal beneficiary from longer copyrights. Recording artists only get a tiny percentage paid out as a royalty - the label keeps the lions'share of money. Session musicians are support personnel who are paid cash for their work. They can be employees of recording studios (getting salary and pension) or hired as independent contractors. They do not own copyright, and unlike signed artists, they do not get paid royalties of any kind. (Often their names do not even appear in the credits.)

Therefore, extending copyright would not affect session players in the slightest.

The vast majority of the time, the copyright is owned by the record label – not the artist – so it is the record labels who will be principal beneficiary from longer copyrights. Recording artists only get a tiny percentage paid out as a royalty – the label keeps the lions’share of money.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454406 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:53:51 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454406 The real fallacy of this is assuming that any artist will ever see a single cent of this money. Nobody but the distributors profit from this. In fact, they're going to get money for doing absolutely nothing for another 50 years. The only way for artists to make money reliably is performing. The real fallacy of this is assuming that any artist will ever see a single cent of this money. Nobody but the distributors profit from this. In fact, they’re going to get money for doing absolutely nothing for another 50 years. The only way for artists to make money reliably is performing.

]]> By: David http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454369 David Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:59:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454369 Don't the EU countries have national pension schemes? I believe they do. Lots of other workers have not contributed to pension schemes, do they to deserve pay for work they did 50 years ago? Do session musicians get paid performance royalties? I don't think that's right. Session musicians *may* get a royalty *if* the session wasn't paid out in full. Here in Canada, session musicians for things like adds can be paid a larger flat rate or they can be paid after each term for which the rights are renewed. I don't think this applies to ordinary session musicians on a recording. It does, however, apply to the name artists, composers, and sometimes the publishers. Someone should check the facts for the EU on this. These change from country to country. They are certainly not the same between Canada and the United States. My contention is that no one deserves to be paid over and over for a single work session. df Don’t the EU countries have national pension schemes? I believe they do. Lots of other workers have not contributed to pension schemes, do they to deserve pay for work they did 50 years ago?

Do session musicians get paid performance royalties? I don’t think that’s right. Session musicians *may* get a royalty *if* the session wasn’t paid out in full. Here in Canada, session musicians for things like adds can be paid a larger flat rate or they can be paid after each term for which the rights are renewed.

I don’t think this applies to ordinary session musicians on a recording. It does, however, apply to the name artists, composers, and sometimes the publishers.

Someone should check the facts for the EU on this. These change from country to country. They are certainly not the same between Canada and the United States.

My contention is that no one deserves to be paid over and over for a single work session.

df

]]> By: Myself http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454312 Myself Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:42:43 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454312 95 years. I'm Laughing out loud. Just like somebody could live 95 years after producing a song. 50, well, maybe 60 years are quite sufficient. After that, who will get the money ? Families, who would like to get benefits with a job that does not belong to them ? Majors, who have so much money that they want ever more ? I say, fifty years after the release of the song, there's no more reason to feel culpability while downloading this song. Oh, yeah, best idea : i will make a spoon, and you will need to pay me each time you use it if you want to keep eating with it. Not too bad, is it ? :D 95 years. I’m Laughing out loud. Just like somebody could live 95 years after producing a song. 50, well, maybe 60 years are quite sufficient. After that, who will get the money ?

Families, who would like to get benefits with a job that does not belong to them ?

Majors, who have so much money that they want ever more ?

I say, fifty years after the release of the song, there’s no more reason to feel culpability while downloading this song.

Oh, yeah, best idea : i will make a spoon, and you will need to pay me each time you use it if you want to keep eating with it. Not too bad, is it ? :D

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454306 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:25 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454306 I'm all for creative commons. But being a musician myself, I know the time, money, and effort it takes to produce quality music. If someone wishes to get paid to for their effort than so be it. It is True, most of the money goes to record labels which is sad. There needs to be a new system. Hint: Internet. But not paying money for music because it goes to a corporation is slightly hypercritical. Almost everything we buy goes to a corporation. Corporations which many of us work for. But extending copyright laws 95yrs is crazy. Who's going to listen to 95yr old music anyway. Much less want to pay for it. I agree that the artist should have "planned for their retirement" better. I’m all for creative commons. But being a musician myself, I know the time, money, and effort it takes to produce quality music. If someone wishes to get paid to for their effort than so be it.
It is True, most of the money goes to record labels which is sad. There needs to be a new system. Hint: Internet. But not paying money for music because it goes to a corporation is slightly hypercritical. Almost everything we buy goes to a corporation. Corporations which many of us work for.
But extending copyright laws 95yrs is crazy. Who’s going to listen to 95yr old music anyway. Much less want to pay for it. I agree that the artist should have “planned for their retirement” better.

]]> By: kdsde http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454296 kdsde Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:08:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454296 "I am talking about the thousands of anonymous session musicians who contributed to" so has he published some verifiable figures how many of those "thousands of anonymous guys" are benefitting at the moment from the timespan in place? And if they are anonym, how do they benefit in the first place (now or maybe then after the extension!)? If anonymous can claim benefits, I claim to be such a musician too, who sends me my check or paypal payment to tpb.kdsde (at) googlemail (dot) com? “I am talking about the thousands of anonymous session musicians who contributed to”

so has he published some verifiable figures how many of those “thousands of anonymous guys” are benefitting at the moment from the timespan in place?

And if they are anonym, how do they benefit in the first place (now or maybe then after the extension!)?

If anonymous can claim benefits, I claim to be such a musician too, who sends me my check or paypal payment to tpb.kdsde (at) googlemail (dot) com?

]]> By: anon http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454295 anon Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:07:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454295 for all their crap about caring for people who actually make the music, they can't show definitive proof that the royalties they collect actually go to those people. what about those who are already deceased? I doubt the labels hand the money willingly to the next of kin and will most likely set their hellspawn lawyers to dispute any such claims. and for those who have no known relatives... well, the labels are more than happy to hold on to the money. WELCOME TO THE LEGAL FORM OF CORRUPTION. for all their crap about caring for people who actually make the music, they can’t show definitive proof that the royalties they collect actually go to those people.

what about those who are already deceased? I doubt the labels hand the money willingly to the next of kin and will most likely set their hellspawn lawyers to dispute any such claims.

and for those who have no known relatives… well, the labels are more than happy to hold on to the money.

WELCOME TO THE LEGAL FORM OF CORRUPTION.

]]> By: kkr190 http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454294 kkr190 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:06:47 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454294 I think I am going to keep torrenting regardless of whatever laws are passed but that doesn't make it any less stupid. I think I am going to keep torrenting regardless of whatever laws are passed but that doesn’t make it any less stupid.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454279 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:42:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454279 as a lot of ppl have said, the truly immoral thing to do is to support all the lawsuits going on and the lobbying stripping us from our privacy rights by giving money to the labels/movie studios as a lot of ppl have said, the truly immoral thing to do is to support all the lawsuits going on and the lobbying stripping us from our privacy rights by giving money to the labels/movie studios

]]> By: muuh-gnu http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454233 muuh-gnu Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:46:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454233 >They created something, I create something every day at work. > they deserve to have their > creation respected >for at least the longevity of their >life. Depends on how you define "respect". > If they don't want people using >something they made, why should >they allow it? Because they should not decide what i do in the privacy of my home and in the circle of my friends? >Come on now it's common sense. LOL >I should hope there's nobody out >there who thinks it's actually >MORAL to download music without the >consent of all those who would >benefit from royalties. Its neither moral nor immoral. Its something the author has no say at all. Yes they always are people like you who argue otherwise since it makes you money, but us other 99.9% think otherwise. Theres nobody whos gonna stop us to communicate with each other and share information freely. No one. Remember that, bloodsucker. >They created something,

I create something every day at work.

> they deserve to have their
> creation respected
>for at least the longevity of their
>life.

Depends on how you define “respect”.

> If they don’t want people using
>something they made, why should
>they allow it?

Because they should not decide what i do in the privacy of my home and in the circle of my friends?

>Come on now it’s common sense.

LOL

>I should hope there’s nobody out
>there who thinks it’s actually
>MORAL to download music without the
>consent of all those who would
>benefit from royalties.

Its neither moral nor immoral. Its something the author has no say at all. Yes they always are people like you who argue otherwise since it makes you money, but us other 99.9% think otherwise.

Theres nobody whos gonna stop us to communicate with each other and share information freely. No one. Remember that, bloodsucker.

]]> By: AnonymouS http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454200 AnonymouS Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454200 GOOD!!! Now we dont allow Piracy Criminals to download illegal material GOOD!!! Now we dont allow Piracy Criminals to download illegal material

]]> By: .... http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454112 .... Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:27:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454112 they want thoe anti-piracy laws because they F@#ing want to censore the internet our last liberty on the planet,if you take that away from us,The EU will become a comunist country, and gues what happens in a comunist country, yes a revolution! they want thoe anti-piracy laws because they F@#ing want to censore the internet our last liberty on the planet,if you take that away from us,The EU will become a comunist country, and gues what happens in a comunist country, yes a revolution!

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/eu-to-extend-performance-copyright-to-95-years-080714/#comment-454110 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:24:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2969#comment-454110 > "Shorten copyright to something reasonable." I'd actually care about it then. > “Shorten copyright to something reasonable.”

I’d actually care about it then.

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