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European Countries Amp Up War on Piracy

The entertainment industry battle to decrease the use of file-sharing networks to share copyrighted content never seems to end. Just this week, four more European member states came out with initiatives to continue to crackdown on piracy, many of which are not only draconian, but also doomed to fail.

Let’s begin with Sweden, the home of The Pirate Bay, where two prosecutors were hired last year to investigate copyright crimes. The prosecutors have since become frustrated with the police because they don’t have the resources to investigate copyright crimes. To fix this problem 15 policemen are now allocated to assist in hunting down copyright infringers in an effort to reduce piracy.

Meanwhile, a report from a political advisory committee in The Netherlands is calling for harsher copyright legislation. Presently, downloading movies and music for personal use in The Netherlands is seen as “fair use” and not punishable by law. In their advice to the government, the committee suggests changing this position in order to reduce the mass downloading that they say has become a national sport in the country.

Interestingly, the committee recognizes that the entertainment industry caused the piracy problem themselves, at least in part. They therefore say that tougher anti-piracy legislation should only be implemented if there are enough legal alternatives, something that’s lacking in The Netherlands at the moment. This all sounds very reasonable compared to what is being proposed in the UK.

The long awaited Digital Britain report was published this week, a road map of how the entertainment industries and ISPs should tackle online piracy. In short, the government proposes to track down and warn people who share copyrighted content. The personal details of repeated copyright infringers will be handed over to the entertainment industry, if they have a court order.

In reality this means that everything stays pretty much the same. UK ISPs have already started warning their copyright infringing customers last year, and the details of many alleged downloaders have been given out to the rights holders represented by law firms such as Davenport Lyons and ACS:Law. However, if the warning letters fail to decrease the piracy rate dramatically, things may get very nasty in the UK.

The report points out that when the warning letters fail, ISPs may be forced to reduce the connection speeds and download limits of individual customers, block access to sites such as The Pirate Bay or pull a Comcast and block BitTorrent traffic altogether. In addition, ISPs may block specific ports if needed and spy on their customers download habits though DPI techniques.

Just when we thought it couldn’t get any worse we stumbled upon some worrying news surfacing in Lithuania this week. The local anti-piracy body LANVA has proposed a rather far reaching agreement to the country’s ISPs. LANVA suggests that the ISPs start monitoring their customers’ browsing and downloading habits and report any suspect behavior back to them.

In addition, the anti-piracy group wants access to the ISP’s servers within 24 hours if needed, and the personal details of any of the ISP’s customers who are suspected of copyright infringement. The content creators on the other hand will have to equip all their products with DRM to “minimize” the piracy rate.

Not only do these proposals violate several human rights, the proposal to add DRM to all products will only have the opposite effect when it comes to reducing piracy. LANVA’s boss has previously received death threats for going after pirates and we’re beginning to suspect that this has seriously impacted his sanity.

It’s doubtful that these proposals throughout Europe will have the desired effect. If anything, it will encourage those who use file-sharing networks to share copyrighted works to become more cautious. Indeed, less then a week after the anonymous BitTorrent download application BitBlinder launched they already have 30,000 users, and The Pirate Bay’s VPN service currently has close to 200,000 people on the waiting list.

If people don’t like these laws, they will find a way to neutralize them. There is no technical solution to the piracy ‘problem’.

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  • Will

    Hmm, interesting!

  • Cujo

    vpn’s are going to be very successful it looks like

  • Reasoned Mind

    “There is no technical solution to the piracy ‘problem’.”

    Well.
    Correction.
    “There is no SINGLE technical solution to the piracy problem.”

    Digital piracy is no different from any other civil or criminal offense. Some people are assholes and break the law while thumbing their nose no matter what. This exists in every corner of humanity and so a small percentage will continue to accept the risk for free stuff until even THEY finally get caught. The trends are very clear.

    In fact the net is tightening. It’s all around and it is undeniable, and if VPN’s or other “neutralization” of the law becomes rampant, then VPN’s and encryption will become government licensed and penalties for misuse will be severe as they should be. People will eventually lose their network access the same way you can lose a drivers license. The point is, the more you struggle with reality the less you actually achieve. Jammie Thomas is the new reality. Sorting the net is inevitable over time. Artists and their agents will eventually be protected from those who would take without paying. And every loss of function, freedom or privacy to the network will be the fault of piracy, historically remembered as a reaction to lawbreaking.

    It’s the law. Don’t do it. Invest your time to change the law if that is what you believe in. But don’t be stupid. Don’t be a Jammie.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully as the the failing British governemt tries to give the regulator OFCOM more power, the representitive body of ISPs ISPA will become more vocal in opposing these proposed draconian measures.

  • Cujo

    yes, the next few months should be most interesting ,, the desire to share by many vs the desire not to share by few

  • Xae
  • ngwoo

    The Canadian law is different because it only allows logging traffic in the event of a criminal investigation. File sharing is not criminal here.

  • Ralonto

    The situation is turning worse by the day. I am hoping that in the end, culture will become freely available to everyone without any threath whatsoever. Anyway, whether filesharing will be outlawed or not, personally I will never buy music, movies or games again. It’s not the availability of things for free that moves me, rather the way in which these company lobbies r*pe our personal freedoms and how the government is actually helping them do this. That is for me something that is unforgiveable and that is the very reason why I will never pay a nickle to them ever again. By right, they should all be put in jail.

  • JesusHatesLies

    3 Jun 19, 2009 at 00:16 by Reasoned Mind

    It’s the law. Don’t do it. Invest your time to change the law if that is what you believe in. But don’t be stupid. Don’t be a Jammie.

    What kinda meds are you on? Mr ReasonedMind? You seem to need urgent help. No i wont become a ‘Jammie’ but i wont become a CUNT either…You CUNT.

  • zammy

    Anyone that starts throwing insults at jammie is a piece of fucking shit. The RIAA has destroyed that family much like how they have done the same to tons of other familys..how can songs that merely cost like a dollar a piece that could of been paid easily now jump to almost 2 million dollars!? we live in a age now where the governmentlets things slide for the entertainment industries while enforcing such bullshit..its a new age oppression that they have done on the average guy.

    fuck you riaa. fuck you mpaa. fuck you itunes.

    yes this is rather offsubject to the topic at hand but its one thing related as well. Jammie should of never been convicted like that.

    Its out of control.

  • Random

    I can see a day when all piracy is ended and music cd’s cost 75 bucks, and blue ray dvds cost 150 bucks, and they still show the stupid anti-piracy commercial before you get to watch the movie.

    Or I can see all these laws biting the governments in the ass.

  • candid

    hmmm… let it be, in full mode, in UK or anywhere, it w’d be very interesting to see what kinda “artists” survive in such a black hole.
    sunday orchestra’s and such, lllovely…

  • 4nd

    @Reasoned Mind

    M’kay, let’s see.

    “It’s the law. Don’t do it. Invest your time to change the law if that is what you believe in.”

    Every single person who downloads illegally /is/ working to change the law. By filesharing, we show that it is extremely common and representative of many peoples’ interests (not simply the small pocket of people you seem to refer to). More and more people are turning to p2p and eventually that number will become so great that it will be the /norm/. At least, more so than it is now. The entertainment industries have been doing their very best for years to stop it, and they’ve not succeeded. So why would they do so in the future?

    Also, you say “It’s the law. Don’t do it.” Sorry, but no. If I deem a law to be just, I follow it. If I deem a law to be unjust, it can burn in hell. My personal morality comes before any law, and if my personal morality says it’s okay to fileshare, then I will fileshare. You may as well put down the “You only do it ’cause you’re a selfish twat” riposte you’re holding because selfish twats don’t seed their torrents and they don’t use p2p to spread videos of Iranian governmental brutality and potentially save lives. Besides, ad hominem is never a practical argument anyway.

    “Artists and their agents will eventually be protected from those who would take without paying.”

    If artists were protected, it would be from corporations and the record labels, not from the general public. Have you noticed that there are some artists that actually /support/ filesharing? Oh my God, they must be criminals. How dare they. Ban them from life!

    “And every loss of function, freedom or privacy to the network will be the fault of piracy, historically remembered as a reaction to lawbreaking.”

    As far as things seem to be going presently, any such losses of function, freedom or privacy are going to be remembered as the result of zealous copyright pigs pushing their desire for maximum profits onto everyone. After all, the RIAA started the piracy war by choosing to sue Napster instead of work with it.

    I just… I simply cannot understand why you do it. Why you go on a pro-torrenting site and spout drivel like “the net is tightening” and “you’re all going to burn in hell for downloading.” Paraphrased. Because as you will (or may have already) unfortunately discover, the piracy community is not simply made up of selfish twats who don’t seed. There are people here whose minds actually ARE reasoned! Imagine that.

    Oh, one final thing to consider, if you wish to speak of the future: The vast majority of filesharers are young, like 20s and lower. The vast majority of people who are opposed to it are older people. What does THAT say for your precious, secure future?

  • Anonymous

    Cryptography!

    If they can’t see it they can’t touch it LoL

    Close the curtains don’t let the MAFIAA pick thru the window anymore.

  • PirateLover

    i pirate everything including all websites by using adblock plus,
    stupid riaa trolls on torrentfreak, why do they turn up and why dosnt tf ban them like it says it will?
    is it trying to get extra ad revenue

  • Ralonto

    And here again we see this guy called ‘Reasoned Mind’ trying to convince ordinary people that they are criminals, appealing to a sense of authority to instill fear in the average troll-inexperienced reader. Let me tell you something. It doesn’t work.

    All your arguments are fallicit as they are sweeped away by your very own hypocritical actions as a corrupt econo-political organisation. You have lost all ethical ground to stand on.

    Fear-mongering doesn’t work on me either. You will never get my money. I will keep on downloading things I like and sharing further to the rest of the net because of all people and organisations that exist in the world, yours is one of the least worthy of my money.

    If I get caught by your sunday afternoon tea-party friends at the government and police, I will resort to any means nessecary to make sure that you do not receive a cent from me. This is how dealing with the likes of you works for me after your actions.

  • Reasoned Mind

    Ralonto, suit yourself, play moral martyr and break the law if that’s what floats your boat. Don’t pay for ANYthing if you can find ways to take it. But then just Shut up and take your punishment when you get caught, tried, convicted and fined, you Jammie.
    lol

  • Anonymous

    Let me expand the frase.

    Cryptography + anonymity.

    And if you like ancient technologies try steganography the Romans use it and it is still a very good way to hide things LoL

    Talking about history here is an example that reflects reality.

    When the U.S. tried to emulate the property laws of the U.K. the government found out pretty soon that they would have to change a bit, after a gruesome couple of decades the government finally gave up and started to enact laws to conform to the reality on the ground and there you have the first squatting laws for the U.S. born out off what people did and not what some think it was right.

    Other example is how people dictate to the government of the U.S. about things like “human rights”, “Compulsory enlistment” and we could go on, is not about what a few think is right is about how people function inside society no sane government would try to put a quarter of it’s population in a prison.

    They talk about reducing piracy, but not even prison terms have slowed down the “piracy problem” people wont let go of sharing and they wont because is a necessity first it started before even recorded history existed when pre historic man shared responsibilities and the fruits of they work to survive and is no different today.

  • Anonymous

    The only way to end the “piracy problem” it is to make it legal.

    Like Julius Ceasar(I think) said. If “I befriend my enemies I’m not destroying my enemies?”

    Or else risk loosing everything like the software industry that did the same thing and ended up competing with what now people call “opensource” how much time until someone figure it out a way to make money out of free music or free movies and start openarts. All those “professional” will be beaten by fans, just like the “software professionals” where humiliated by “amateur programming guy’s”.

    The message in all this is “Don’t f*** with society”.

  • 4chan addict

    what is torrent?

  • BLuSCReeN

    You’re all such tools to the government. The government is just trying to boost VPN services and seedboxes, and you’ll all falling like flies to it.

    Good luck tools.

  • JeMoer

    Why did you not mention the Dutch proposal to do deep packet inspection on all Dutch traffic

  • PirateLover

    i love neocons, i love hitler, i dont like kittens and i suck foetus blood , one day ill sacrifice you to my master the devil (cheney)

    stop pirating stuff otherwise dickweeds like me will be out of a job and stop harrassing people

  • PirateLover

    did i mention i love it right between my hind legs

  • thumper

    The amounts were insanely out of whack in what the jury awarded the RIAA.

    Fair enough. You figure the RIAA is gonna get my IP number when I bring an external drive with me to visit my friends and they can pull anything they want off it with a total of 2 TBs of data on it? If that’s not enough, I gotta second one just like it.

    None of it will be shared through the internet from me. You see, I won’t be here much longer on the net. I’m moving where broadband isn’t there.

    The sneaker net functioned long before p2p and it still goes on. Gonna be rough stopping that one on the internet.

    I’ve already ceased to support the copyright groups. I quit watching TV some years ago. I don’t do PPV, I don’t go to the movies, nor concerts. Nor do I any longer buy anything from the major entertainment companies. I don’t believe in what they are doing and I stopped supporting them when they started the sue’em all. I see no reason to stop now. In fact I see every reason to continue it given that these groups with the assistance of the government is totally destroying our privacy and making it a mockery to speak of privacy and constitutional rights in the same sentence.

    Good luck on stopping file sharing. Good luck on turning it into a crime. Won’t matter to me cause I’m gonna drop out of the net. I’ll still share, I just won’t do it the same way I used to is all.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm…there is the japanese proposal to turn downloading for personal use in japan a crime.

  • neostyles

    Finally. Pirates thought they could create a new digital world order where everything is free. Turns out they were wrong.

    The solution to digital piracy is easy : Shut down torrents and P2P programs.

    The only way to end the “piracy problem” it is to make it legal.

    That is without the doubt the most idiotic thing I have read on the subject of piracy. And that’s saying something. Do you really think the idea of fair trade (aka people paying for things) was established just for the hell of it? I guess people may have been stealing things for so long, they may have forgotten about the way things originally were.

    So we should legalize theft? I want my neighbors TV!

    If no one paid for anything, the entire economy would collapse, Eisenstein. Why do you think governments and numerous law enforcement agencies have dedicated years of their time towards piracy? For fun?

    They talk about reducing piracy, but not even prison terms have slowed down the “piracy problem” people wont let go of sharing and they wont because is a necessity first it started before even recorded history existed when pre historic man shared responsibilities and the fruits of they work to survive and is no different today.

    Well, once your details are handed over, as the article says, your trail will determine what the consequences are. Anonymity is what keeps piracy alive. It thrives people’s ignorance and the moral ambiguous web it’s spun for itself. . Actually, Piracy is a lot of like a vampire. It sucks the industry’s blood, depriving it of the profits it deserves, and then disappears in to the depths of the internet where it is often hard to find. But, when they exposed to the light of society’s awareness and moral clarity, they shrivel up.

    Pirates don’t want to confront the legitimacy of their own beliefs, because they are well aware that they wont like the inevitable conclusion that they will come to. Many pirates KNOW that what they are doing is wrong, but they are willing to risk it all for a hard drive of stolen material and the naive notion that they are untouchable. So, knowing that what they do is by no means okay and unable to come to terms with this conflict, they hide behind services like VPNs, Proxys, etc.

  • Anonymous

    “The point is, the more you struggle with reality the less you actually achieve.”

    Well said!
    You can’t argue with the laws of information exchange just like you can’t make a “law” to outlaw gravity.

    When it comes to lawyer law vs. physical information exchange law, the latter will always win!
    It will take time, but the laws will, eventually align themselves to physical reality.

  • Anonymous

    “The solution to digital piracy is easy : Shut down torrents and P2P programs.”

    Got a better idea. Let’s outlaw and shutdown gravity! Do you know how many people gravity kills each year…

    “So we should legalize theft? I want my neighbors TV!”

    Do you think that the maker of the TV is going to go after you if you go to your neighbors, look at their TV, make a copy of it and take the copy home?
    You don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about!

  • Anonymous

    @27 Jun 19, 2009 at 02:17 by neostyles:

    Market economy was based in real products that have real limits and not imaginary boundaries, people don’t own ideas is ridiculous and worst it is not enforceable by any means in existence today those who think an economy can be based in immaterial property are delusional or complete morons.

  • Anonymous

    The future is streaming not DVD or Blu Ray sales LoL

    http://www.betanews.com/article/Analysis-Will-streaming-HD-movies-bypass-Bluray/1199992686

    Sorry folks you will have to learn how to live on less LoL

    Anyone that doubt that truth please type “internet TV” and see the thousands of offers on free TV right from your computer that will soon be available in every TV set out there in the world.

  • PirateLover

    neostyles stop being a troll, im the biggest troll of them all, you cant hold a candle to my evilness

    fucken moron the only way to solve piracy is to hang offenders and burn their families alive

  • Anonymous

    There is a simple solution to all these madness! Boycott everything and vote out the crooks who succumbed to the mafia. Spend your money on something more worthwhile than the rubbish being produced by the music and movie industry.

  • Anonymous

    Can people imagine a 10GEA wirelles network?

    People could multiplex their entire land connections into one big giant connection to get high bandwidth thru P2P and get a Blu Ray copy quality of anything in seconds distributed to every house in a neighborhood instantly LoL

  • Anonymous

    ps: to be usefull a 10 GEA(10 Gigabit Ethernet) should use jumbo frames.

  • 4nd

    Oh, goody! I get to plane /both/ Reasoned Mind and neostyles in one article. It must be my birthday.

    So, neostyles. Lessee.

    The solution to digital piracy is easy : Shut down torrents and P2P programs.

    Which would be a colossal mistake considering the huge /legal/ uses of p2p. Right now I am seeding hand-recorded videos of police brutality in Iran. People risked their lives to make these videos so that the rest of the world could know what is happening in their country, to their neighbors and friends and families. And because I have access to BitTorrent, the world’s most effective and popular distribution network, I can get this evidence out to the world. I am not the only one doing this by a longshot. Would you really like to see their risks and efforts thrown aside?

    Do you really think the idea of fair trade (aka people paying for things) was established just for the hell of it?

    No, but /good/ guess. It was established on the basic premise of “haves” and “have-nots.” As #30 above me pointed out, that was before the Technological Revolution and before the advent of nonphysical ‘commodities.’ Buuuut since we’re talking about markets and such, let me go ahead and remind you of one of those oh-so-basic concepts behind said markets: Price is influenced by scarcity. This is why diamonds cost more than dirt. Just as you can fairly put almost whatever price you want on something unbelievably rare, you cannot attach ANY monetary value to something that has an infinite supply. Because of the advent and widespread use of the Internet, we suddenly have an infinite supply of… well, software, movies, music, books, and just about anything you can download. If you can use those so-handy copy and paste functions on something, then you’re a greedy moron for charging access to it. Greedy for trying to charge for something people can get for free, and a moron for trying to charge for something people can get for free.

    Copies are worthless. I mean, come on. Charging for music online is like selling air.

    If no one paid for anything, the entire economy would collapse, Eisenstein.

    Alright, I must point out: What you say is certainly true. Buuuut fortunately that’s why we have services that cannot be relentlessly copied and distributed. Like, oh, /the trade and sale of actual physical objects/. Which, as I recall, makes up a rather large part of our economy. Until we invent magical replication devices, I think our economy can survive p2p. But if that were to happen, we wouldn’t really need an economy, wouldn’t we? And that would be just so much better for the human race.

    Actually, Piracy is a lot of like a vampire. It sucks the industry’s blood, depriving it of the profits it deserves, and then disappears in to the depths of the internet where it is often hard to find.

    Actually, that’s the czar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker%27s_Marseillaise

    Anyway. How do the industries deserve the profits they make? I direct your attention to the RIAA, whose executives make unbelievable amounts of money. The artists? Pennies. I guess that copying and shipping CDs, and arranging for advertisements, must be a hell of a lot harder than actually composing music. Oh, and let’s not forget about the compensation these executives so richly deserve for fighting those nasty pirates. I mean, they mistreat and accuse the public at large (look at DRM), and for this we must /obviously/ hand then giant stacks of cash to feed on.

    Pirates don’t want to confront the legitimacy of their own beliefs, because they are well aware that they wont like the inevitable conclusion that they will come to. Many pirates KNOW that what they are doing is wrong, but they are willing to risk it all for a hard drive of stolen material and the naive notion that they are untouchable.

    I’m going to stop planing you for a moment and actually partially agree with you here. As a filesharer, or a “pirate,” if you prefer, I’ve thought about this before. I have considered the fact that my actions are illegal and thought about the consequences for such. However, you seem to suggest that I should stop right there: The act is illegal, so should I or should I not do it? But I am a free-thinking individual and I take it a step farther by asking myself /why/ the act is illegal. And that’s when I remember: Ohhhh, right, filesharing copyrighted material is illegal because a certain group of people, including some multinational corporations, want to use their exclusive rights to strangle the public. I further remember that my own morality is above any- repeated for emphasis, ANY- law to me, and I am forced to conclude that since I believe that the trade groups and corporations are acting wrongly, I, as a free-thinking individual, am going to continue torrenting and no amount of FUD that you throw in my face will stop me. I mean, come on, you’re behaving like Microsoft.

    So, knowing that what they do is by no means okay and unable to come to terms with this conflict, they hide behind services like VPNs, Proxys, etc.

    If I wake up tomorrow morning with an RIAA lawyer at my doorstep, holding indisputable evidence that I have been downloading their stuff, and threatening a lawsuit unless I settled with them, I will tell them to go to hell. If they brought me to court and sentenced me to pay a fine, I would still tell their lawyers to go to hell. If our justice system dropped me in jail for refusing to comply with the court’s decision, cool. My situation would gain international attention and a whole lot of people would get extremely pissed that someone who has never hurt anyone is trapped in jail simply for defending his rights- and I would STILL believe in filesharing. So you go ahead and try to tell me again that I’m just a selfish, morally confused kid who tries to hide behind his own greed.

    In conclusion, I seriously hope that HTML is the format used to write quote tags on here, because otherwise this post is going to look /stupid/. Oh, and also, neostyles: You’re done.

  • 4nd

    Goddamnit! HTML quote tags didn’t work. Would some compassionate pirate like to instruct me on the sekrit art of quoting in comments on TorrentFreak? I’ll give you a whole nickel.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that 2 posts here were removed and the posts from ‘Reasoned Mind’ and ‘neostyles’ not.

    TorrentFreak; are you protect trolls from RIAA?

  • katrizzle

    @Reasoned Mind & neostyles

    ever heard of civil disobedience?

    disobedience can change the world. case in point, ANY goddamn revolution.

  • Z.M

    Uhhh… wow.

    It looks like they’ve gone too far. And by that, I mean they’ve gone too far so now they really can’t stop. They’ve tried so hard to stop piracy and spent millions upon millions to prevent it when all it did was scare a couple thousand people and give another couple thousand more toilet paper. What are they trying to accomplish, really? Are they really bending to the will of the ISPs? Why can’t a country just take a stand and say ‘You’re fucking wrong, you’re dumb, and your evidence is completely misconstrued and we don’t want you in our country.’ It’s not like the RIAA has the power to make a law in a FOREIGN COUNTRY that says ‘you cannot buy our CD’s’ that will just cause more piracy. I fail to see the point these countries are trying to make. People in power… wow… the people in power keep getting older and they don’t leave power until it’s too late.

    Oh yeah, and I’m from the USA. I pirate. I’m proud. I help my friends pirate. I teach people in my area how to pirate. I’ve taught hundreds. I distribute copyrighted material, and you know what? I LIVE. And I’m not the only one: there are millions of people just like me. This will fail like South Africa’s apartheid, like the 1000 year Reich, like the Soviet Union. The record industries are in desperate need of a new business model. They are still netting profits and are gonna milk this cow until it keels over. Why not show them a bigger, healthier cow that we have been milking for the past ten years? Nope, that’s their old dying cow and they will stick to it. They know nothing of the facts, except that we are downloading and we are LOLing.

    I cry when I see the world today. This third world war is not really between nations, or even between downloaders and rights holders, but between old and new. THATS IT.

  • Anonymous

    oh hello unreasoned mind. sorry but for the 10,000th time its not stealing and you and the maffia boys know it too. whos “jammie” is that your imaginary pet goat or something. Even if they licence encryption and vpn, people will just stash their stuff on offshore servers were you and the maffia and even your goat jammie cant get it.

    Just because “its the law” does not mean that the law is right. These artists and record companies and others who abuse copyright and who support drm will find themselves pissed on by the artists who like to share and the open source software movement, etc.

    hi trollstyles i see you have the same issue as unreasoned mind its not stealing so drop the crap. YOU are wrong YOU guys are the ones stealing from the artists by taking the majority of their money while you sit around getting fat. copying is not stealing and that is that.

    they have to use vpns and proxies to avoid getting punished by greedy corporations and their tattletale henchmen for doing something that is NOT illegal. you guys are bloody trolls and your reasoning is totally out of wack. if you dont like filesharing then dont come here trying to indoctrinate people with your copyright extremist nonsense.

    I wont buy as long as the madness that YOU guys started continues. that means no drm[not even fade], no unfair copyrights, no broadcast flags, no hired trolls, no internet snitches like ifpi and ipred, no “sharing is stealing” bs, etc.

    Knowing the way you guys work though it will probably never stop thus the only way to end it is to force you out of buisness or to change your attitude by not buying anything from you at all and diverting money to worthwhile causes like open source, and indepedent artists who want to share.

  • me

    &38 shouldn’t you say gosh darnit instead of what you said? I believe so

  • katrizzle

    @43 words are words. if a substitute phrase carries the same meaning and underlying harshness… what’s the use in substituting? I try and milk power out of words. This is etymological warfare, obv. :)

  • Anon

    War on Piracy, looks like the same as war on drugs or war on other things they will never work and they will never win.

  • katrizzle

    oh dear. I am not 4nd, btw. misread 43′s post. hrm.

  • Anonymous

    Goddamnit! HTML quote tags didn’t work. Would some compassionate pirate like to instruct me on the sekrit art of quoting in comments on TorrentFreak? I’ll give you a whole nickel.

    To quote in this forum you have to use the tag “blockquote” you can see it in the source code of the page you are looking at it LoL

    Also the “b” tag for “bold” works too :)

    See I’m bold

    <blockquote></blockquote>

  • Anon8

    @Reasoned Mind: You absolutely disgust me. A mothers life has been completely ruined and you take the side of the evil empire? HOW can you possible see that she is the one in the wrong here??? I’m dumbfounded at your idiocy and lack of compassion.

  • Quote tag example.

    <blockquote>oh dear. I am not 4nd, btw. misread 43’s post. hrm.</blockquote>

    Will result in:

    oh dear. I am not 4nd, btw. misread 43’s post. hrm.

  • 4nd

    @everyone who answered my question

    Thanks, guys. :D

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  • volektau

    It’s law… Who makes laws and on the behalf of whom?

    I’m not quite sure where the reality of being an ‘artist’ or associated with artists is the right to riches or even a sustainable income anyway. An artist of any form will continue to create and create because of the love and the passion for it, seeking no financial reward. With the internet and advances in technology the Labels and Management is becoming less and less relevent whilst smaller independant arists are becoming more relevent and usually tend to be pro-piracy from what ive seen.
    I know myself ive spent thousands on recording equipment and various other things required to produce music, do i expect financial reward when i release my next cd? No i dont, i do it because i fucking love making music, if someone feels the need to pay or donate to me then awesome… But ive still got a job i dont expect to not have a job, music is an art and a passion not an industry to me.

    Lots of things have been illegal, lots of things have been legal.. We must fight for what we believe in, do what is just in our eyes. I do not download every single bit of entertainment i own.. I still buy DVDs and CDs aswell as DRM Free MP3′s, i’d not have bought probably 80% of the cds and dvds i have done, if it wasnt for getting them through a file sharing medium first.

  • Anonymous

    I want a virtual appliance that:

    - Come installed with encryption and anonymous P2P technology.

    Please santa can you have it before Christmas?

  • Free Virtual Appliances
  • Pirate Cat
  • Hom3r

    “or pull a Comcast and block BitTorrent traffic altogether”

    I lol’d

  • /now if only…

    Guess we’re all heading further underground, sure put drm on everything…we’ll find a way to remove it & share even more :0)

    2010 FTW

  • Anonymous

    A mothers life has been completely ruined and you take the side of the evil empire? HOW can you possible see that she is the one in the wrong here??? I’m dumbfounded at your idiocy and lack of compassion.

    she was caught in half a dozen ridiculous lies. when one lie failed she just spit out another! she blamed router hackers even though she didn’t have a wifi router, in a last ditch effort she even blamed her kids! no remorse, no shame, no accountability.

    no pity from me.

    I’m not quite sure where the reality of being an ‘artist’ or associated with artists is the right to riches or even a sustainable income anyway.

    that’s almost enough hyperbole to choke a whale! no artist claims a “right to riches”. they want the same thing the rest of the world wants: a CHANCE to earn a FAIR living…and yes, for a handful of the most successful people IN ANY FIELD, a “fair living” can very well equal “riches”. to think otherwise is to immediately label oneself a socialist.

    it stands to reason that if a creation born of your own toil (whether it be physical, mental, or some combination therein) is enjoyed by a lot of people you should be justly rewarded for that service or product.

    everything else in inconsequential.

    I know myself ive spent thousands on recording equipment and various other things required to produce music, do i expect financial reward when i release my next cd? No i dont, i do it because i fucking love making music, if someone feels the need to pay or donate to me then awesome… But ive still got a job i dont expect to not have a job, music is an art and a passion not an industry to me.

    i honestly think that’s great. and here’s the MAIN DIFFERENCE between us: i DO NOT want to take away your right to be a hobbyist, weekend, artist who releases his creations for free — whereas you DO want to take away the rights of the professional artists to remain professionals.

    if the CC/open source/freetard crowd is so sure that they’re the future then why not just let it pan out naturally? stop downloading copyrighted stuff. watch, listen, read only things released under CC.

    simple right?

    if free, creative commons, filmmaking, videogames, music and literature turn out (as most of your ilk suggest) to be of a higher quality than their copyright counterparts, then everyone will naturally gravitate toward the free stuff and stop paying for (OR DOWNLOADING) the sub-standard copyright stuff.

    too bad that will never happen.

    as a recent torrent freak article showed, even pirates like britney spears.

  • neostyles

    Got a better idea. Let’s outlaw and shutdown gravity! Do you know how many people gravity kills each year

    Wow. It’s really so telling that you think those two are the same. Words just fail me. I’ll try to explain it, but for someone who just compared theft to gravity, Im not going to get my hopes up.
    1. Shutting down gravity is impossible. It’s a propety of the universe.
    2. Piracy is just crime.
    3. Torrent sites aren’t invincible in spite of what the pirate bay wants you to believe. All it takes is a court order and confiscation of servers (along with arrest of admins.)

    Do you think that the maker of the TV is going to go after you if you go to your neighbors, look at their TV, make a copy of it and take the copy home?
    You don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about!

    Yeeeeaaahh.. Um.. I think we got confused here. If there is anyone who doesn’t have a clue here, it’s defenitely you.

    No, the maker of the tv, won’t come after you, but the law will. You can’t make a copy of the tv, smartass, but it’s someone’s property. The same way that you can’t just walk into a store and walk out with a bunch of stuff without paying for it just because you dont feel like paying. Until you pay for it, it’s their property. Then it becomes yours.

    Jesus, it’s like you were born yesterday. Should I also go ahead and explain how to put on pants?

  • Pirates > RIAA

    I want a virtual appliance that:

    – Come installed with encryption and anonymous P2P technology.

    Please santa can you have it before Christmas?

    Will it be free? Nah, I would love to pay someone like TBP for a service like VPN. I know my money would be in good hands with them, unlike the RIAA who uses the money profited from the last CD you bought to sue you. In fact, the only “digital” service/property I will ever pay for would be VPN.

    The music/movie industries make me laugh, there have actually been studies that show p2p actually helps them get sales. Think of it as “Try before you buy”. I love the fact they are shooting themselves in the foot and still have actually helped spread p2p. From all these publications of them sueing people actually increased torrent site visits.

  • 47

    @neostyles

    You were born yesterday and you’re a moron. We’re in the 21st century now, not in the 19th.

    Copying isn’t stealing:

    Stealing:
    a: to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b: to take away by force or unjust means

    You can’t steal music, because you don’t take anything away. The original owner still has te music. So your stupid store comparison is bullshit.

    You’re just so materialistic that you would imprison the entiry society to get more of your precious money. Which is in fact worth nothing, its just a figment of man to make trading easier.

    And no, torrent sites aren’t invincible, but ideals are. Torrenting is not the only way to share and new, underground, anonymous, encrypted ways are already being developed. Instead op trying to hunt down ‘pirates’ which is an incorrect term, because where not stealing and murdering, you could try to spend your money to make society a better place and help the poor people instead of making yourself even richer.

  • grouchy-one

    I know a lot of people view this as a war. I prefer to think of it as a race; if enough artists discover the value of giving media away for free (a lot have already but it hasn’t gone critical) then the “war” just may implode on itself. Imagine if the popular TV shows were pushed onto the net with advertising… with over 1 million downloads – and if it’s legal, there will be more – that’s good value!

  • annoyance

    The retrial of:

    Jammie Thomas verdict: willful infringement, $1.92 million penalty – http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/jammie-thomas-retrial-verdict.ars

  • Simple Solution

    Use the DMCA against them (in America). Encrypt all your data before transmission. This way it will become illegal (by DMCA law) for them to decrypt the data when they sniff it. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • neostyles

    It looks like they’ve gone too far. And by that, I mean they’ve gone too far so now they really can’t stop. They’ve tried so hard to stop piracy and spent millions upon millions to prevent it when all it did was scare a couple thousand people and give another couple thousand more toilet paper. What are they trying to accomplish, really? Are they really bending to the will of the ISPs? Why can’t a country just take a stand and say ‘You’re fucking wrong, you’re dumb, and your evidence is completely misconstrued and we don’t want you in our country.’ It’s not like the RIAA has the power to make a law in a FOREIGN COUNTRY that says ‘you cannot buy our CD’s’ that will just cause more piracy. I fail to see the point these countries are trying to make. People in power… wow… the people in power keep getting older and they don’t leave power until it’s too late.

    It’s called international cooperation and it’s been done for over 2 centuries. And I don’t think that America is the only country hurt by rampant piracy. Has it ever occurred to you that many copyright holders are based in Europe?

    LOL, what evidence has been micsonstrued? Hahahaha it’s hilarious to see people desperately struggling to justify theft. Do you understand that the very existence of piracy torrent tracker or a release group is evidence in itself? I dont think they’re stupid. They look at places like TPB which claims to be the worlds’ biggest tracker and the enormous losses put the two and two together.

    Um, it’s only “wrong” because YOU are the one being told to pay for your things, not the one who is loosing millions.

    Wow, you have just completely missed the point. Whoosh.

    I cry when I see the world today. This third world war is not really between nations, or even between downloaders and rights holders, but between old and new. THATS IT.

    Nazism was also “new” at the time. Did that make it better. Wow. Holy christ.

    hi trollstyles i see you have the same issue as unreasoned mind its not stealing so drop the crap. YOU are wrong YOU guys are the ones stealing from the artists by taking the majority of their money while you sit around getting fat. copying is not stealing and that is that.

    Gee, I think you’re just pulling at straws here. If you were confident of your own argument, I doubt you would have to resort to insults.

    Anyhow, we’ve been over before. How isn’t it stealing? You are taking something that’s not yours, with out paying for it, and in the process you are depriving the copyright holder of the profits they deserve. This conflicts with the very nature of free trade.

    Are you even thinking about what you are saying? Hello. Earth to Anonymouse. I think we’ve lost contact. Paying is the exact opposite of stealing.

    Please, try and think about what you are posting next time. The only person you embarass is yourself.

    they have to use vpns and proxies to avoid getting punished by greedy corporations and their tattletale henchmen for doing something that is NOT illegal. you guys are bloody trolls and your reasoning is totally out of wack. if you dont like filesharing then dont come here trying to indoctrinate people with your copyright extremist nonsense.

    In other words, conceal your illegal activity, for fear of actually having to own up to what you do? LOL you are so deluded, I can’t even begin to describe it. Piracy not illegal? Paying for thing qualifies as “extremist”. Keep dreaming.

    Which would be a colossal mistake considering the huge /legal/ uses of p2p. Right now I am seeding hand-recorded videos of police brutality in Iran. People risked their lives to make these videos so that the rest of the world could know what is happening in their country, to their neighbors and friends and families. And because I have access to BitTorrent, the world’s most effective and popular distribution network, I can get this evidence out to the world. I am not the only one doing this by a longshot. Would you really like to see their risks and efforts thrown aside?

    Sorry, let me rephrase that. Shutdown illegal torrent trackers.

    Torrents do have very promising legal uses, but they are intermixed with torrents that are for copyrighted material on any given traker usually. When the tracker refuses to remove the coprighted material, they are actually destroying all the legal potential of torrents with their own stubbornness and they give authorities little choice.

    And that’s what piracy seems to have a fundamental problem with. Authority. The idea that they dont have to follow anyone’s rules and whatever they do is okay, because they want it to be okay.

    There is alot to be said for intentions too, and those of most torrent trackers are not legitimate (how many trackers are there DEDICATED to legal torrents?)

    No, but /good/ guess. It was established on the basic premise of “haves” and “have-nots.” As #30 above me pointed out, that was before the Technological Revolution and before the advent of nonphysical ‘commodities.’ Buuuut since we’re talking about markets and such, let me go ahead and remind you of one of those oh-so-basic concepts behind said markets: Price is influenced by scarcity. This is why diamonds cost more than dirt. Just as you can fairly put almost whatever price you want on something unbelievably rare, you cannot attach ANY monetary value to something that has an infinite supply. Because of the advent and widespread use of the Internet, we suddenly have an infinite supply of… well, software, movies, music, books, and just about anything you can download. If you can use those so-handy copy and paste functions on something, then you’re a greedy moron for charging access to it. Greedy for trying to charge for something people can get for free, and a moron for trying to charge for something people can get for free.

    Just because the technological revolution presents us with new opportunities to do the wrong thing, doesn’t make it okay. Digital propetyy and physical property, as it has become overwhelmingly clear are far from mutally exclusive. The enormous financial losses are proof enough of this. Digital property is still property and copyright applies to it.

    Wrong, fair trade was established to create a framework for an economy. When people pay for things, the economy functions at the most basic level.

    Copies are worthless. I mean, come on. Charging for music online is like selling air.

    That might be the general perception, but as previously explained that is wrong. Itunes, for example sells digital songs, but those copies are still theirs until you pay for them. Otherwise, you are stealing.

    Alright, I must point out: What you say is certainly true. Buuuut fortunately that’s why we have services that cannot be relentlessly copied and distributed. Like, oh, /the trade and sale of actual physical objects/. Which, as I recall, makes up a rather large part of our economy. Until we invent magical replication devices, I think our economy can survive p2p. But if that were to happen, we wouldn’t really need an economy, wouldn’t we? And that would be just so much better for the human race.

    Many leading economists have pointed to piracy as a big contributer to the current economic issues. Which is perfectly explainable. Hollywood and the music industry are huge. As anyone who has watched the news in the last 2 years can attest, the econamy needs all the help it can get, and even if it didn’t, who are we to set it’s limits?

    Anyway. How do the industries deserve the profits they make? I direct your attention to the RIAA, whose executives make unbelievable amounts of money. The artists? Pennies. I guess that copying and shipping CDs, and arranging for advertisements, must be a hell of a lot harder than actually composing music. Oh, and let’s not forget about the compensation these executives so richly deserve for fighting those nasty pirates. I mean, they mistreat and accuse the public at large (look at DRM), and for this we must /obviously/ hand then giant stacks of cash to feed on.

    Any high up person makes a lot of money. Who are we to decide how much money a company makes. This is extremely self centered.

    And that’s when I remember: Ohhhh, right, filesharing copyrighted material is illegal because a certain group of people, including some multinational corporations, want to use their exclusive rights to strangle the public. I further remember that my own morality is above any- repeated for emphasis, ANY- law to me, and I am forced to conclude that since I believe that the trade groups and corporations are acting wrongly, I, as a free-thinking individual, am going to continue torrenting and no amount of FUD that you throw in my face will stop me. I mean, come on, you’re behaving like Microsoft.

    First off, it isn’t up to us to decide what laws we want to follow or not. We might not like them, as a member of society we are bound by them. Just like not running red lights. They’re not trying to strangle you. Just give them compensation for their things. It’s fair trade. They give something to you and you give something back.

    If I wake up tomorrow morning with an RIAA lawyer at my doorstep, holding indisputable evidence that I have been downloading their stuff, and threatening a lawsuit unless I settled with them, I will tell them to go to hell. If they brought me to court and sentenced me to pay a fine, I would still tell their lawyers to go to hell. If our justice system dropped me in jail for refusing to comply with the court’s decision, cool. My situation would gain international attention and a whole lot of people would get extremely pissed that someone who has never hurt anyone is trapped in jail simply for defending his rights- and I would STILL believe in filesharing. So you go ahead and try to tell me again that I’m just a selfish, morally confused kid who tries to hide behind his own greed.

    Uh.. People go to jail everyday, any it doesn’t attain international attention. Again, it’s not your right to take other people’s thins, even if it is with torrents and “just on the internet.”

    Um, you just reaffirmed your belief. Im not sure what changes, so if you were hiding behind your belief, before, that wouldn’t have changed. ;)

    BTW, people go to jail for things other than hurting other people. If someone robs a bank and no one is hurt, they still go to jail.

  • neostyles

    Use the DMCA against them (in America). Encrypt all your data before transmission. This way it will become illegal (by DMCA law) for them to decrypt the data when they sniff it. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    That has nothing to do with DMCA. I doubt that people who created laws to enforce copyright would create a law that would prevent them from finding people who violated said laws.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA

    Please read.

  • Reasoned Mind

    i love the RIAA, you guys are being mean to them, just because they hate technology and love scientology doesnt mean they’re evil.
    Just because we wanna burn your families alive doesn’t mean we’re evil, just cause im a loser sockpuppet troll for corporate deep throat doesn’t mean im gay does it. just cause i drink goat blood doesn’t mean i like it

  • PirateLover

    i hate you so much reasonedmind

  • PirateLover

    the torrent freak scifags keep deleting comments but not if they’re by trolls

  • Trelew

    Personally I find it sad when corporation rights will trump out a person’s rights. Corporations, especially the multi-national ones, have way too much power over our governments. It makes you wonder who is running the world: corporations or elected governments?

  • Anonymous

    That has nothing to do with DMCA. I doubt that people who created laws to enforce copyright would create a law that would prevent them from finding people who violated said laws.

    Well if they circumvent the cryptography of the vpn client they are in violation of the DMCA the cryptography is used to protect the contents of the user so it is a violation.

    Here is a quote:

    It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself

    The cryptography used in a VPN or any other piece of software if protected by the DMCA LoL

    In the case of P2P if you add some anonymity they cannot circumvent that too in the U.S. because that is mechanism to protect the content too LoL

  • Anonymous

    @59 Jun 19, 2009 at 06:17 by Pirates > RIAA:

    You don’t know what virtual appliances are do you?

    Hmmm…there is virtual appliances for free did you try searching for “turnkey”?

    VMWare doesn’t charge it either :)
    http://www.petri.co.il/virtual_top_5_free_vmware_appliances.htm

    And I wouldn’t pay for VPN when I can get a free virtual appliance with all that is needed for encryption and anonymity can you imagine downloading all the anonymous p2p clients already installed and working?

  • manky goes to bollywood

    cool story bro :)

  • Unreasoned Mind

    @3 “It’s the law. Don’t do it. Invest your time to change the law if that is what you believe in. But don’t be stupid. Don’t be a Jammie.”

    Actually, it’s not against the law. Downloading in countries such as the Netherlands states that the downloading of copyright files for personal use is not against the law. This is not inferred, or implied, it has been explicitly stated.
    You are wrong, your argument is now null and void.
    Please vacate the premises immediately.

  • Anonymous

    If pro copyright people like to link imaginary products with real ones why not assume the same rules.

    Copyright holders should have only rights to the physical incarnation of their art and not the idea.

    People should be able to do versions of music and movies no be bother and if an artist tries to claim ownership he should be punished for stifling competition.

    Public display of arts should be considered like buildings people should be able to record and utilize those images freely.

  • Anonymous

    In japan anyone can download anything too it’s the law LoL

  • Anonymous

    The only way to stop piracy is to make it legal :)

  • Major treat

    “It’s the law. Don’t do it.”

    it is not the law! The DMCA is unconstitutional and therefore it is not a law! Not only that but trying to enforce a pseudo law such as the DMCA who enfringe the constitution is punishable by fines and prison time.

  • JM

    @Reasoned Mind
    Go back trolling asva.info

  • Ralonto

    @ Reasoned Mind (17)

    I am not playing moral martyr. The only thing I am doing and will be doing is acting according to my moral beliefs. Don’t try to make me appear as the bad guy. It won’t work and you are well aware of this.

    And should I get caught I will not take my punishment and shut up. Do you really believe that I am going to abide by an un-constitutional law that was implemented into place by the likes of you? You must be out of your mind or an cleverly pretensive troll to think that any person would willingly believe that such laws are the result of ‘reasoned minded’ governments rather than profit motive schemes. Under this perspective, no, I will not accept your ‘revenge’ action under the false flag of justice

    In the meanwhile, I’ll be sending letters to MP’s and discussing the issue with other people in order to combat your current illigitly lobbied position. Do not forget, the current generation will have power within 10-20 years. For us, it is merely a matter of time until we win. Good luck to try and stop us.

  • Ralonto

    To add to that, a demagogueristic
    approach will pretty much be futile since you overestimate the – in your eyes gullible – population in their willingness to absorb your poorly crafted propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    @neostyles

    I read the article you refered me to and i found nothing other than a dry recital of the law as it stands. the site i refered you to actually explained the reasons behind the law and the difference between rights and priviledges. the fact that copyright is in fact a priviledge and not a right. to obtain those priviledges they have to take the public’s rights away from them. i can only conclude you are a paid troll. for anyone else interested the site is: http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk
    it is very informative and i believe the author explains the reasons copyright is failing very well.

  • oh dear

    oh dear

  • Remy

    Frankly I don’t understand most people posting on this forum.

    I myself have used bittorrent, mainly for US TV shows that i like which are not broadcasted in my country or only months or weeks after their original air date in the US.

    I know that sharing copyrighted material is illegal. What people fail to understand is that if everything is available for free, soon enough there wont be much to share if the artists themselves cant make a living from their work.

    And i am not talking about established artists who can afford to be in favor of file sharing, but more about small artists getting ripped off by their labels, who rely on CD sales or legal downloads to get a small share of the profit and carry on doing good music.

    I agree the whole systems is rotten, that the majors take the bigger share of the money and all of that, and that the business model should be changed.

    But what i dont understand is that everybody here tries to convince themselves that free file sharing is the solution.
    As is being discussed here in many posts, it looks like a lot of people are fine with paying a subscription for a (sometimes expensive) VPN or USENET connection , just to be able to download copyrighted material “for free” !!!! Doesn’t that sound wrong ?

    Now, if a legal downloading service existed where i could download legally all the content i wanted, with a decent downloading speed, and costing the same price as VPN or less, and where i know that some of the fee i pay would go to the artists so that they can continue to produce good music , I would go for that…

  • Anonymous

    @remy

    The problem is that copyright takes away the rights of the public to favour a minority. i am not against creators being paid. but there are other ways to do that, one of which is the pledge system. the creator declares what they want to do and how much they want to do it. the public at large can then make pledges. if the amount required is met the pledges are collected and the money goes to the creators to make the product. BUT the end result goes to the public domain and belongs to everyone. there are other ways as well. and probably many that haven’t been thought of. but we need ways that don’t take away the publics rights, not least of all because the only way to enforce those monopoly priviledges is to invade the privacy of the public on a massive scale.

  • James

    Thanks for the interesting and well written article.

  • Dizzy

    Oh mam…

    Then explain how come all movies are as expensive, every CD coming out is as expensive and in there are 2 or 3 classes of games each with their own price…

    The prices are rising higher and higher up to insane heights. If i want to see a movie in the theatre i now have to pay 9 euro’s… 9 euro’s and then my drink costs 4 euro’s just for half a litre, some M&M’s, at least twice the shop’s price. Then i get to sit in a cramped chair for 1,5 hour (yes, i’m pretty tall and i cannot sit decently in a theater as it is more important to stash as many people in as possible).

    Can you blame us for downloading? Because we are sick and tired of the prices? The fact that making agreements on prices is accepted nowhere except when it comes to music games and movies?

    Do sth about that.

    By the way, in The Netherlands they put a remark on the law. There have to be decent alternatives, which could take years. Also, apparantly they want users to buy the rights to a game/movie and not just a copy of it. As u should be allowed to copy your own stuff. Also, if you buy the PS3 version of a game you should also be allowe3d to play the XB360 version without paying again.

  • Anton

    Oh mam…

    Then explain how come all movies are as expensive, every CD coming out is as expensive and in there are 2 or 3 classes of games each with their own price…

    The prices are rising higher and higher up to insane heights. If i want to see a movie in the theatre i now have to pay 9 euro’s… 9 euro’s and then my drink costs 4 euro’s just for half a litre, some M&M’s, at least twice the shop’s price. Then i get to sit in a cramped chair for 1,5 hour (yes, i’m pretty tall and i cannot sit decently in a theater as it is more important to stash as many people in as possible).

    Can you blame us for downloading? Because we are sick and tired of the prices? The fact that making agreements on prices is accepted nowhere except when it comes to music games and movies?

    Do sth about that.

    By the way, in The Netherlands they put a remark on the law. There have to be decent alternatives, which could take years. Also, apparantly they want users to buy the rights to a game/movie and not just a copy of it. As u should be allowed to copy your own stuff. Also, if you buy the PS3 version of a game you should also be allowe3d to play the XB360 version without paying again.

  • Ralonto

    @Remy

    I understand your position and it is something that I have given a good deal of thought. This has led me to the conclusion that by their actions, the record labels are making me their enemy. In parralel to being an avid pirate, I used to buy the things I really liked, averagely spending about 30 euros per month. But then I realized, I am paying them money and they still make me out as a criminal? Where’s the morality in that?

    From that perspective it would be foolish of me to give money to an organisation that is systematically attacking the rights and freedoms of me and my fellow citizens. No, the only solution here is not to keep buying music and films, but either one of the following:

    - Artists gain popularity by online filesharing and are able to make a carreer through concerts.
    - Artists must be supported through donations.
    - Artists get regular jobs on the side and operate from a non-profit ideology.

    As I know that the latter is for some of the more professional artists out there not feasible as they invest too much time in their music, I am in favor of a combination of the first two options. Results have already been made in experimentation by bands such as Radiohead and Maudlin of the Well. The latter is an especially exceptional case in which the band was able to create their new album based on donations they received before recording rather than after. This shows the feasibility of this model in order to support artists in their carreer.

    I am still thinking of an alternative to this for the gaming and movie industry, since the matter is bit more complicated. It will take some sunday afternoons sitting outside pondering to come up with something for that :-)

  • fight_the_tyranny

    The uk government is more corrupt than most african despots.

    And after printing billions (so called quantitative easing) to give to foreign bank creditors whom the government feels obligated to bail out, they now decide that internet connections should be taxed (in additional to vat) to fund new infrastructure. This is analogous to the “Let them eat cake” statement by Marie Antoinette, for revolution is upon us.

  • neostyles

    You guys are just gay. I’m going to buy a dog and get some curtains.

  • Anon

    I’ve said this before, I will say it again:

    If the industry is so stupid as to make me pay 10 EUR a month to a VPN instead of to a culture flatrate, then that’s their loss.
    I really would prefer being legal, but there is just no way of anything but a flatrate model making available the type of “random walk” use of unworried search and discovery real media/culture omnivores prefer.

    You just can’t pay for all seasons of your favorite 20-50 sitcoms, all 50-100k+ mp3s, all 200-500+ watch-once-then-erase movies, etc pp.

    It’s just not possible, even if the people who are downloading instead of buying actually HAD/have a job.

    And who are the ones creating the illusion we always have to have everything, now, and at once?
    The same people suing us for following up on the incited urges and needs they planted in the first place.

    Fvckfaced thieves and liars, all of them.

    Don’t get it twisted, y’all.

  • Anonymous

    Just don’t buy nothing, when you do the only thing you accomplish is feeding and industry that don’t deserve it.

  • Anon

    One other small tidbit I got to add: today while shopping I held a product in my hand that literally and word for word said on it: “Shop yourself happy”.

    This is the industry’s idea of how to treat and view us.

    Don’t expect an inch of sympathy from me.

  • Steganography

    > hen VPN’s and encryption will become government licensed and penalties for misuse will be severe as they should be.

    People will start using steganography technology, such as StegoShare: http://stegoshare.sf.net

  • Anonymous

    But what i dont understand is that everybody here tries to convince themselves that free file sharing is the solution.
    As is being discussed here in many posts, it looks like a lot of people are fine with paying a subscription for a (sometimes expensive) VPN or USENET connection , just to be able to download copyrighted material “for free” !!!! Doesn’t that sound wrong ?

    No it doesn’t, what does sound very wrong is people saying that they buy something from those bastards liars from the MAFIAA. Stop buying now! if you have to download their stuff do it but don’t pay for it, but I will tell ya all go look for alternatives, in TV you have Miro that have a lot of free channels, for music you have magnatune and jamendo and for movies you have your bittorrent at the moment but fans are making good movies like “the search for the gollum”

  • Cabalamat

    If people don’t like these laws, they will find a way to neutralize them.

    One way is to join the Pirate Party.

  • peekaboo

    @88 neostyles
    ‘You guys are just gay. I’m going to buy a dog and get some curtains.’

    Since people tend to see something of themselfs in others….

  • law is ANTICHRIST

    this is WAR my friends!!!

    do not buy music or movies anymore
    live without the or listen to the radio!!!

    do not support these RIAA companies any longer they are to powerful today!!!

    if u want to buy music buy independent label artists the ones not with Sony, Warner,BMG,ect… if u support these companies u support the unlawful mafia style tactics they use…

    mainly “special interest groups” (the reason the usa turned to all HDTV was in thanks to a “special interest group” they only paid just over $1mil to public officials to get them to give a yes vote)

    you and me as an individual can not afford to lobby like this… so its whom ever has the most cash rules… this is mainly an immoral act and all most all the laws put down on us today are thus motivated by “special interest groups” meaning they are dollar driven no morals needed!!!

    do not buy music or movies associated to companies like the RIAA or MPAA… if u do the tyranny will only continue to get worse!!! they will use the money to make laws to put u in jail!!!

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  • BLOB

    Reasoned Mind:

    Incredible how you mention Jammie like that. No shame at all?
    Oh, ye of “Reasoned Mind”, how do you keep on going with that morality when getting payed with the money that should be going to the artists.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that copyright takes away the rights of the public to favour a minority.

    so does EVERY property right. what’s your point? that it’s bad? grow up.

    i am not against creators being paid

    yes you are. you couldn’t care less about the content creators.

    but there are other ways to do that, one of which is the pledge system. the creator declares what they want to do and how much they want to do it. the public at large can then make pledges.

    this convoluted, unproven system is not the answer.

    there are other ways as well. and probably many that haven’t been thought of. but we need ways that don’t take away the publics rights

    the public does not have a right to
    distribute other people’s copyrighted work. this is a right that does not exist. please stop citing imaginary rights based on nothing. thanks!

  • Ralonto

    so does EVERY property right. what’s your point? that it’s bad? grow up.
    __

    Not quite. Property rights protect the individual ONLY because the majority of the people agrees that property rights should be there. This majority of the people however could care less about your business model; your ‘property right’ does not have a basis in realism because most people regard your position on the matter to be absurd.

    __

    yes you are. you couldn’t care less about the content creators.
    __

    Pretty much everyone cares for the content creators. They are, after all, the band or people that the listener really likes. People who we DO NOT care about include but are not limited to:
    - Label companies
    - Corporate Executives
    - RIAA
    - RIAA
    - RIAA
    - etc.

    __

    This convoluted, unproven system is not the answer.
    __

    There’s plenty of cases where bands are able to succesfully launch an album based on donations. You probably lack the willingness to investigate this due to your ideological background. In any case, better to have a system that might work then one that clearly doesn’t work at all, correct?

    __

    The public does not have a right to distribute other people’s copyrighted work. this is a right that does not exist. please stop citing imaginary rights based on nothing. thanks!
    __

    Yes they do. Something that can be shared infinitely and effortly for non-profit and philantropical reasons should rightfully be done so by the public. The right to freedom of information DOES exist. In any case, it does not matter whether or not it exists. The internet is a place where all material CAN be shared because that is the very nature of it. Either deal with it or gtfo. If you try to destroy or corrupt the net, then yes you make people your enemy because the people ARE the net. That’s why sharing is pretty popular nowadays. Not because it is free but because sharing allows people to share ideas, information and culture with eachother. If you cannot respect that, then we cannot respect you.

  • PT1

    Fuck you ass holes I will pirate forever and a day NO matter what they do to me.

  • Anon

    holland is becoming a nazio country anyway, when geert wilders group becomes the biggest one im out of here

  • Welcome back!

    @Reasoned Mind

    Seriously, welcome back. I was really starting to worry we wouldn’t see your special kind of anti-logic around here any more. Often impersonated, but never convincingly.

    I’ve been trying to put myself into your mindframe, the same way criminal profilers do with terrorists and perverts.

    I think, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that you believe that society will be made to see the error of its ways. If that cannot happen by enforcing your views on morality, then it shall be decreed by technology and law.

    And so I went on a journey to see how that could happen. How could one force the vast majority of the population to ignore common sense and conform to the wishes of dying business cartels?

    It would certainly take legislation; to the point that would make a totalitarist regime blush. Every computer would have to become a state-authourised ‘network access point’. You’d have to log on with a fingerprint or retina scan. Logging on for someone else would be an imprisonable offence. God forbid, don’t even MENTION unsigned code. Linux would become a death sentence.

    And then common sense kicked in.

    The internet is not the wild west. Stuff that really needs protecting – banking, corporate VPNs, eCommerce – they’re doing just fine. It takes constant vigilence, but they are, and will continue to be, adequately protected.

    The reason media is so universally pirated is because, as a basic instinct, society does not value it to that kind of level. It’s a commodity. You turn on the tap, you get water. You turn on the internet, you get music. Or films, or software, or eBooks… Try and change this and you will be opposed at every turn.

    Faced with this kind of threat, people do not seek to change the law. They seek to change technology. And they’re better, quicker and smarter about it than you are. Or for that matter, the lawmakers.

    You are seriously in the minority in your hopes here.

  • @neostyles

    @”I’ll try to explain it, but for someone who just compared theft to gravity, Im not going to get my hopes up.”

    Please, neo, FFS. If you’re going to try and educate us poor ignorant fools, at least try and know what the hell you are talking about.

    1> Theft: I deprive you of property, such that you no longer posess it.

    2> Copyright infingement: I distribute a likeness of a work that you control distribution rights over.

    1> Is a crime. I can be imprisoned for it.
    2> Is not a crime. I can be sued for it.

    Copyright infringement != Theft.

    Stop stealing language.

  • Cordelia

    OMG, so funny, so sad…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcP3V9bgUoI

    “Emily of the State” a Canadian parody about the government snooping on citizens online.

    This is the ultimate nightmare that we all most struggle against.

  • Sense

    What I dont understand is if they are not willing to give us an alternative, and they are gonna shut down (worst case) every “downloader” what doe they expect? That all of a sudden we are gonna buy everything? Well, thats just not gonna happen. I, for instance, download series because of a simple reason, There are NO god*#@ commerciaals in it. And I bet that IF they would give us an alternative they would force us to pay for the series themselfs AND fill them with commercials. At some point the industry has to set a line at income. Maybe they should pay actors less, so they can bring down costs so we can buy stuff at prices that it really is worth because prices are beginning to get out of control. And come one the wages of actors are getting out of control. And ppl are more then willing to give them there money IF something is worth it. No one is gonna give money for shit, not even them.
    Then again everything they can think of there is always someone smarter who will then think of an alternative to bring us our stuff. Thats never gonna stop no matter what they do. Maybe its time to make our own internet.
    And its not theft, you dont steal anything because the original never left :P

  • Celesto

    QUOTE: In addition, the anti-piracy group wants access to the ISP’s servers within 24 hours if needed.

    What´s about protected internet hääää? you should get access, are you out of your mind. fuck you. oh you ll see what the future will bring you!

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  • Anonymous

    Do the UK a favor and call @digitalbritain a cunt

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  • djleecher

    @27 “So we should legalize theft? I want my neighbors TV!”
    Jaja you little troll! it’s not the same and don’t make more propagadanda to that stupid reasoning, if i take my neighbor’s tv he has no more TV if i take a picture of louvre’s Mona lisa and print it and hang it on my living room mona lisa stills in the louvre isn’t it?
    So when i download burning asses from fag band they stil heve their song to sell it and since there’s no way that i would buy that crappy cd with only one worhty song there’s no loss.
    Got it?

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    Digital bullsh*t

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