Perhaps with this EC ruling there can be some sanity brought to this issue.

Sometimes the only way to find rare/obscure media is on the torrent sites. Not for sale anywhere!

Anyway, would be nice if pro-copyright people would get this into their heads: the average pirate *is not* some hardcore radical who makes a point of not paying. Yes, there are is a good amount of those too, but the average pirate is not one of them. He/she is someone who takes stuff fir free because a) he/she wouldn’t buy in the first place unless it was discounted; b) he/she would have to go outside to buy a physical copy. The technology is so far that both these shortcomings could be eliminated (cutting the costs and need for for physical copy) yet the media industry is slow on adopting it. Spotify/iTunes Store are a good beginning, but their selection is still small and in most places in the world their service is still unavailable.

As for the actual TF article: atleast now there is a clear path to fighting against disconnecting – EU has said what it thinks of this, so when some ISP disconnects you without a judge’s approval you can go as far as the EU Court to reverse this (or atleast demand some damages for your stress).

What precisely is “the entertainment/technical industry”? I’ve never heard of that division before.

This will also probably get deleted.

Actually, I used to buy the stuff I downloaded and liked. I’m rethinking my strategy now. I want to find a way to give the cash to the artist directly.

As for fair price, I think $0.20 per digital track is quite good if you consider the cost of generating a copy of a digital file is virtually null. That way the labels would make money on volume.

In any case you must be rich and able to waste cash buying stuff that you’ll simply throw away later. I, and most people, would rather check it first so my money will be put to good use.

but it does *nothing* to support any actions you take when you *steal* from a hard-working, creative person/industry.

It’s not stealing. Stealing involves removing. If you download something you aren’t removing anything from anyone. So however morally wrong you think it might be, stealing is the wrong term to apply to it, and your error only confuses the issue for the uneducated more.

I suggest you learn about “stealing” and the economics of the spread of culture by reading this (freely available and shareable) book: http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm

Honestly if there is anyone who sees this who hasn’t read that book, do have a look. You’ll learn a lot. :)

Your right, most people here do have their wits about them, its just a shame that a few people try to ruin it for others. Age, sadly does not always confer wisdom or humbleness. The all mighty dollar/euro/whatever will always sway the weak of mind and spirit. Good on you my friend and good night.

Really Ernesto, is that kind of nonsense necessary on here?

As I’ve suggested before, it strikes me as just about insane that anyone would expect to control, much less get paid, for copies of their files that they’ve cast to the digital wind.

I think the world would be a better place if they just stuck their precious manuscripts where the sun doesn’t shine.

Pure creativity doesn’t need money or industry.

And, c’mon, please, you’re gonna run to the mods and ask them to ban me? What a pu$$y you are.

That’s great that you have been charitable with your time and resources…but it does *nothing* to support any actions you take when you *steal* from a hard-working, creative person/industry.

Sorry, it doesn’t wash.

You guys are ridiculous here because you think it’s okay to steal. Plain and simple. And then you complain when laws are brought up for passage or lawsuits are filed. I have been in the entertainment/technical industry for more than 30 years…I have seen, on a day-to-day basis, the amount of effort and heart that goes into creating some of the stuff that you guys steal. And it makes me sick that you all think it’s okay to take food out of the mouths of people in the creative industries. They’re not all big, rich, fat-cats, but that’s how you guys portray them, because it makes it easier for you to feel okay about what you do.

You suck, and until you stop stealing, you will continue to suck.

Listen twerp, I managed two bands several years ago, no charge to them. I took care of their promotions, mailing lists, help feed them when they were broke, paid their rent when they couldn’t. All no charge to them. So don’t try to tell me I don’t support artists. Since you have no clue as to where or how I spend my money don’t try to accuse me of anything.

I’ve seen you in these forums and all you ever do is spew forth foul language and false accusations. You sound like you are 12-15 years old at best.

@TorrentFreak mods this guy needs to be banned. Go back and look at his posts, nothing but filth and garbage. You delete other frivolous posts, get rid of this child!

>Why won’t the industry listen to what “we the people” want? It just seems like such an easy thing for them to do. Consumers desire a product, industry provides it (at a reasonable price)and makes a profit while doing it. The consumer gets what he wants and he’s happy. I don’t see the problem here.

Really? And what would that fair price be? Are you telling me that the people who are stealing music are (currently) sending checks or cash to the music companies or the musicians for the music/movies they steal? Are *you* doing this? Are you sending a message to let them know what you think a fair price is? I think you all are saying that $0.00 is the price you are willing to pay.

So put up or shut up dude/chick.

And I say this to all of you scum-sucking pirates: start sending money to some artist or company (hell, donate it to a charity)…whatever amount you think they fair price should be.

*That* would be a movement, and then, I think you might get some respect (you know, get some skin in the game).

But you won’t do that, will you? Because this isn’t about some evil capitalists vs. the good guys…this is just you all wanting something for nothing. That’s all it is, plain and simple.

Your stripes are showing, pigs.

The Internet Service Providers Association (ISPA) also issued a statement saying that it “strongly opposes” the measures introduced to tackle file-sharing.

Said ISPA: “Rather than focusing blindly on enforcement, the government should be asking rights holders to reform the licensing framework so that legal content can be distributed online to consumers in a way that they are clearly demanding.”

Why won’t the industry listen to what “we the people” want? It just seems like such an easy thing for them to do. Consumers desire a product, industry provides it (at a reasonable price)and makes a profit while doing it. The consumer gets what he wants and he’s happy. I don’t see the problem here.

No, they would rather threaten us, invade our homes without proper warrants, threaten old ladies who want to sing, and charge ridiculous amounts for a few songs shared. That’s the path they choose. It is they who are the terrorists and thieves not us.

All they are achieving is to alienate their customer base further, which will ultimately reduce their profit more. Fools!

Name and shame the companies as all the **AA trade group name is for is to protect the corporate globalists from bad press.

RIAA, CRIA, SOUNDEXCHANGE, BPI, PRS, IFPI, ASCAP, Ect:

# Sony BMG Music Entertainment
# Warner Music Group
# Universal Music Group
# EMI

MPAA, MPA, FACT, AFACT, Ect:

# Sony Pictures
# Warner Bros. (Time Warner)
# Universal Studios (NBC Universal)
# The Walt Disney Company
# 20th Century Fox (News Corporation)
# Paramount Pictures Viacom—(DreamWorks owners since February 2006)

That online radio streaming is also scary. I mean, I can earn money on your work even though you had no help from me and no contract is signed at all?

Wait, they claim file sharing or piracy is making money on their work without paying… Ok, file sharing is all green peeps!

yeah! this story has entered the popular today section on popurls.com…

Also,mabye i read it wrong but i think this article says eircom is irelands biggest isp, and then goees on to say bt is irelands largest isp…

cant have two largests…”

Eircom would be the largest ISP in the south of Ireland(Eire), BT(British Telecom) would be the largest ISP in the north of Ireland(UK)

Remember you don’t need a valid portal address JUST a valid post code.

So … Try again! If that doesn’t work TRY AGAIN! If that doesn’t work, create a new gmail account and TRY AGAIN!!!

:-)

Lobbyists should be regulated almost more than anything else.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/Ajhayter/1984-not-instruction-manual.jpg

Trying to pass even more undemocratic legislation only reduces the ammunition the honest parties have to fight with.

Of course this will all change once the media corporations secretly wine, dine, bribe and brainwash the EC. This tactic works really well with lawmakers so surely this should work with the EC.

All of course in the name of feeding the starving artists and protecting children, where the reality is it’s just to make the lawyers and executives richer and fatter while paying the artists nothing or as little as possible.

Gotta live ‘em media corporations eh????

What a bunch of capitalist wankers these companies/lobbyists are,and they have the nerve to complain about [i]us the public [/i] stealing from them!!!

So,as the artists who haven’t signed up to get their pound of flesh won’t get the cash,what exactly happens to it? It sits in the SoundExchange bank account earning THEM interest I bet…..might not leave such a bittern taste in my mouth if they took all those funds and interest and donated them to charity.Not gonna hold my breath waiting for those corporate suits to do anything altruistic though!!

Technically, it is legal, otherwise the government would put the lobbyists in jail. It isn’t ethical or fair, but it is legal. You should apologize to #2 for your mistake.

I do completely agree with you in the idea that it shouldn’t be legal and that they are organized crime syndicates. I hate the fact that it is accepted that corporations are all about money. They break the law if the cost/benefit analysis says it would be profitable to do so. They lie, cheat, and steal whenever it is profitable to do so. Rarely do they have moral standards of any kind. Yet everyone seems to be accepting and generally okay with this. Are we accepting of cheats, robbers, and paid assassins? No, yet they are all are people who will do unethical things for money. Corporations are exactly the same. I hope we can eventually outlaw corporations. Sure they have some benefits, but they hardly outweigh the many problems they cause and the money they leech.

Could it be because my email address is already associated with a previous petition for our glorious unelected leader to resign…?