We do not need any more huge discographical industries, just as they were not needed in the 19th century, and there was music creation too.
Technology made them necessary at some time, and now technology makes them obsolete.
They can simply transform, or disappear.
But technological progress is not going to disappear or revert just for someones’ obsolete businesses.
It’s not a good idea to keep a model that turns 90% of citizens into criminals.
Private copy of contents must be legal anywhere. You can’t simply stop the wind from blowing.
Copying and distributing other people’s work is piracy. Copy some contents for your own use is not.

Test.

I’ve 100mb/s connection for 30€ per month, why should I not get this while it’s ubercheap and uberfast? I’m hosting free online gaming servers with zero connection problems and I can play with gamers on the other end of the world while this would be impossible with a slower connection. It’s not just about downloading movies etc, so don’t make false statements.

They claim copyright money, and it all goes into their own filthy pockets..

When at work, the radio is on and more than 8 people listen; they claim you have to pay for the music

Freak’n INSANE

1 message 2 all of you guys.

Eat shit, choke and die some more

(Same goes for BREIN)

I think Obvious Troll needs to get a grip.

As for saying Half is against the law I say prove it.
I have yet to see any proof that this is the case, to me its Media hype and nothing more.

Lastly Obvious Troll I note you never answered my question? Bit to high brow for you was it …?

Obvious Troll is Obviously Scared of Obvious answers that would Obviously hurt the Obvious true villains that the Obvious Troll Obviously supports
Its Obviously the work of an amateurish Obvious Troll who may Obviously want to be silent from now on

Obvious :-)

because everything will be encrypted by default and high anonymity networks will become just too common.

My town should also be sued for allowing access to streets which drug dealers may use.

This is pathetic, if you want to live under surveillance, every word you send to anybody, every piece of information about you combed over with a fine toothed comb then do so, ask your ISP to invade your privacy.

Nobody can be trusted, why not do some wire-tapping on phone lines too? And make sure every letter we send can be blacked out if there are any words that might offend.

“ISPs ARE responsible for monitoring traffic and SHOULD be held responsible.”

So cars makers should be held responsible when someone robs a bank and uses their car to run away?
So knife makers should be held responsible when someone kills a person using a knife?

So Reasoned Mind SHOULD be held responsible when someone uses your nick name to post here or anywere else? YOU must take measures to prevent misuse of YOUR nick, and MUST be fined and jailed when an unlawful post/action is done using YOUR nick name.

‘Of course, Sahi’s results are only from Mainline and may not reflect the entire P2P system as a whole. His data also includes all files being shared, some of which may not be getting any downloads, while others are being downloaded en masse.’

ARE YOU THIS STUPID? REALLY?

PLEASE TORRENTFREAK, BAN THIS IDIOT!

Since some random study was done on a small sample, its safe to assume that its EVERYWHERE.

Obvious retard is obvious. Please die in a fire.

If ISPs start spying the communications, all of them will become encrypted.
If they start blocking protocols, ports, or whatever, sharers will hide it in any way.
Even if they start setting traps watching who downloads from a place, we’ll be using the RShare network to anonymize filesharing.

Ability to share is implicit on the internet. They will never stop it. They kill ALL the net, or it will be there. That’s what the net does: copy contents from one computer to another one.
They’re wasting time, and losing their chance to get their businesses over the net. In the Web 2.0 paradigm, the one who controls the contents controls the traffic, and gets the money. They could create web empires by allowing direct listening to the music and get their incomes on ads and linking to interesting places (you know a lot of a person knowing what music he likes). They have their model: we all love every Google service because they’re all free, they work, they’re simple, … and that does not avoid Google to earn money.
Music industry could still become online providers. We all would like to simply go to the web and listen what we like, without having to search, download, wait, check, store, and waste disk space.
Do they still think we all need physical records? We want any music anytime anywhere, and they can get money with this.
We want simplicity, and they can provide it better that anyone, much better that P2P networks. And they can get money providing the contents; ads, merchandising… they could control everything on people’s music hearings. They would not need anymore radio, TV or even stores. They would eat all the pie.
But they’re still wanting to sell us plastic pieces, and blaming, maltreating and wanting to emprison their own clients.
That does not sound like a good idea.

But I’ll say this;
Three criteria make me tend to believe filtering is ultimately a bad thing, and not because it protects artists and other rights holders.

1. BitTorrent is legal, it’s just another app, but as long as data indicates that 99% of its content is unlawful, it’s a no brainer to take a look. If 1% of a certain size and color envelope always contained contraband and empirical data evidenced that, we’d certainly expect the Post Office to take a look or facilitate a stand alone agency to do the same thing. 1% ? That’s just common sense.

2. BitTorrent continues to be an enormous % of overall traffic. It doesn’t matter whose studies you believe, everyone agrees it’s a lot of traffic. So filter out lawful behavior and the online experience improves significantly for unlawful users who deserve the better performance, without raising costs to them and also without costly infrastructure improvements. Also, just common sense.

And 3. Anytime an industry tends to profit from lawful behavior they facilitate through a provided infrastructure, even when that facilitation is “dumb pipe” legal, inevitably they still get drawn into the mix because they have a demonstrable financial interest in legality. That never flies indefinitely.

As we move towards unmetered bandwidth and it can be shown that lawful users will pay the highest bills to the ISP’s for the enormous bandwidth they use, the filtering rules will change and the network will leap forward in speed.

Bring back the openid logins and give logged in users the ability to hide troll users.

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and 0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)

Does this mean that in the US all black people should be arrested and put into jail? Some one might say it’s completely different, but I say it’s not at all.

In 99% of ALL accidents, drinking driving, felonies, runaways, bank robbing and other illegal activities there were CARS involved.

They should ban cars! The air would be clean, no traffic jams, no auto stealing, no parking space needed, no car accidents etc.

["Ergo, roughly one quarter to one HALF of ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC is against the law.
One fucking half."]

OK. So if on the low end of your estimate, 25% of internet traffic is illegal. Therefore you think that 75% of internet users should be punished for what a small percentage does. Even 50% is not enough to justify punishing everybody. I can understand if MOST internet traffic was illegal, like say, 75%, then it would show that most people just want to abuse the system. But this is not the case as you point out, there is a 50/50 chance that an internet user is obeying the law. So why punish everybody for what only half, or less, are doing illegally? If it was most internet users, 75% or more, then I could understand people being punished for something they didn’t do.

["You think things might speed up just a little with 25-50% of ALL the traffic removed?
Duh."]

And again, on the low end, 25% of internet traffic wouldn’t be enough to justify filtering traffic as it means that most internet traffic is not being effected by the massive downloading of copyrighted content. Even 50% isn’t enough to filter. Only if most traffic was illegal downloads, then it would be interfering with the majority of the internet and slowing it down, bottlenecking it. But again, since most internet traffic is NOT being slowed down, there is no justification except they just want more control over what people do. And I agree that a lot of people with really high speed internet are only using it for massive downloading of copyrighted materials. If the internet were to be filtered and policed, it would make innovation come to a snail’s pace, or even a dead stop. Just think of that when you are waiting for the next high tech gadget, cell phone, or video game system to come out. With technology at a near stand still, we would be stuck with what we have now and nothing new would come for a long time.

["Obvious amateur is obvious."]

I never knew you liked to call yourself names.

Reasoned Mind, the study that you linked on illegal p2p traffic is largely invalid. The sample size was FAR too low to prove that 99% of all p2p traffic is illegal.

Metered bandwidth is unrealistic and the infrastructure improvements which you seem to oppose are necessary and inevitable. Honestly, what affect do think that metered bandwidth would have on Hulu, Steam, iTunes, multiplayer games, and online DRM? Metered bandwidth is simply an idea to protect cable and satellite companies from technological advancement.

To get back on track, don’t you realize that piracy will adapt to filtering schemes? For better or worse, the technology already exists to permit anonymous piracy. What happens when every pirate is taking advantage of a VPN service that does not keep logs? Even if you manage to exert control over the entire Internet, what will happen if a superior replacement is deployed that is completely beyond your control?

CLAP YOUR HANDS!

There was a planet called Earth where its inhabitants were bound by gravity. Rather than share and expand into the galaxy, they assigned everything an imaginary value, tread upon each other for sharing and drained the planet of its natural resources in the name of imaginary values. Any attempts at unifiying this planet of people was thwarted by the powers that be.

And so ends the sad tale of planet Earth.

99% of all bit torrent is illegal

http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/bittorrent-census-about-99-of-files-copyright-infringing.ars

25%-55% of ALL internet traffic is Bit Torrent

http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-still-king-of-p2p-traffic-090218/

Ergo, roughly one quarter to one HALF of ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC is against the law.
One fucking half.
You think things might speed up just a little with 25-50% of ALL the traffic removed?
Duh.

Do your homework Joe Public.
We expect a bit more reading and awareness of what’s going on, or just read and learn and be quiet.

Obvious amateur is obvious.

The day this happen I swear to stop making available all my CD and DVD online on my terabyte server.(Or not.)

Troooollllinng!

And it would be fair to charge more from heavy users so I wouldn’t complain. But offer unlimited bw pls.

I fear the future…if things keep going the way they are, i see anonimity being outlawed along with the continual persecution of innocent users of unsecured wi-fi networks. why cant i openly share my connection? FTW!!

fuck em all! live open-source!
love freedom!

Filtering is about as secure as DRM on a CD. How hard is it to rip any CD? Actually it would be a good idea let the industry have some piece of crap filtering that does not work. The industry would have a false sense of security the Isp would be in compliance and we would by pass it and continue to happily download torrents nothing changes and nothing important is filtered.

that says it all the assholes they are.
boycott corporate music and films by downloading them or buying them used.

Viva La Revolution

I hate to feed the Obvious Troll but I guess its unavoidable when they make statements to consider

1/ 99% is unlawful
Well this could be true but as 99.9% of all the traffic I know of from family, friends and business is 100% legit I truly doubt this number.
But I guess if it is correct then the Obvious Troll can post a credible link to the information they referenced (illegally by the way as no credit was given).
Theft of information / someone’s copyright by an Obvious Troll … Shame on you sir

2/ BitTorrent continues to be an enormous % of overall traffic
Again I doubt it … we move TB of data at my work alone everyday all 100% legit, IMHO I think this is more spinning of the true facts by the copyright lobby to gain acceptance of their measures.
If it is correct, and the Obvious Troll would need to provide much more to prove it (stolen no doubt) then you could see it totally different … i.e.:- Bittorrent slowed down the net through such high usage, companies responded and we got faster connections and better technology. Therefore the more Sharing there is the more things are forced to improve … is that so bad ? I will take long term improvement over a short term gain any day, so Obvious Troll should probably go back to using pen and paper and get off the net in protest at all Bittorrent has given

3/ Anytime an industry tends to profit from unlawful behaviour they facilitate through a provided infrastructure.
How true this is, look at how the music industry is steeling from its own artists everyday simply by selling tracks they know they have no rights to.
Hopefully the Obvious Troll’s prediction comes good and sooner or later the biggest villain out there gets pulled down.

Finally and just a question for the music industry and the Obvious Troll.

Are you really happy to have all your mail opened and read and all your conversations recorded and vetted to see if anything can be considered wrong…?

If the ISP lose this case then the post office and phone companies are next, just think of what people will find out about the music and movie industries if that happens.
Any star calling for drugs will get the police and any company exec saying sell a track they don’t own would be proven 100% liable just by checking the record

Grim thinking for all

Even and Obvious Troll

What I was trying to say was that an ISP should monitor their network purely to avoid bandwidth problems. If they can’t see network issues at a high level they wouldn’t be able to fix them :-)

@8 Reasoned Mind – @17 Reasoned Mind

One of you is copying. Isn’t that what you are trying to outlaw? Now you’re in for it! :-)

Heil globalism! Heil multinational corporations! Down with personal freedom!

@Raisin Brain Metered internet is just another yoke on innovation, as it prevents more reliable business models from being put to practice, since people won’t be able to use them due to the limitations. The one and ONLY solution is for the Media companies to step up their game and provide cheap, easy to use alternatives to piracy. The answer to people not buying something is NOT to sue them, but to make your product more appealing. Hell, you can even do it in such a way that free users can still access the same content as paid users by letting them provide their own bandwidth for “credits” which allow them to “purchase” new goods. It’s a fairly simple system and helps pull the burden of delivery off of the provider (and thus some of the costs) while still making money from other sources, such as people paying for the content and advertisements. If someone such as I ca think of that small of an alternative, why the HELL can’t multi-billion dollar companies come up with it?

But I’ll say this;
Three criteria make me tend to believe filtering is ultimately a good thing, and not because it protects artists and other rights holders.

1. BitTorrent is legal, it’s just another app, but as long as data indicates that 99% of its content is unlawful, it’s a no brainer to take a look. If 99% of a certain size and color envelope always contained contraband and empirical data evidenced that, we’d certainly expect the Post Office to take a look or facilitate a stand alone agency to do the same thing. 99% ? That’s just common sense.

2. BitTorrent continues to be an enormous % of overall traffic. It doesn’t matter whose studies you believe, everyone agrees it’s a lot of traffic. So filter out unlawful behavior and the online experience improves significantly for lawful users who deserve the better performance, without raising costs to them and also without costly infrastructure improvements. Also, just common sense.

And 3. Anytime an industry tends to profit from unlawful behavior they facilitate through a provided infrastructure, even when that facilitation is “dumb pipe” legal, inevitably they still get drawn into the mix because they have a demonstrable financial interest in illegality. That never flies indefinitely.

As we move towards metered bandwidth and it can be shown that unlawful users will pay the highest bills to the ISP’s for the enormous bandwidth they use, the filtering rules will change and the network will leap forward in speed.

ISP’s should also filter out everything that could cause anyone and anything to object such as e-mails, web sites, file transfers and so on. All e-mail, web sites and file transfers should be completely blocked.

ISP’s should hire hundreds, thousands or millions of staff to watch every little thing that goes on with every single one of their customers, and block any customer that may be doing something accidentally or intentionally illegal.

All of this should be done no matter who the customers are because even honest internet users might actually do something wrong whether accidentally or intentionally.

All customer names and contact information should be promptly supplied to any corporation that may object to their activity. They should all be considered guilty without a thorough investigation, they should not contest any allegations and they should all promptly pay out any fines to any corporation that objects to their activities. The corporations should choose any amount of fines that they wish.

Yes. This is exactly what needs to be done and tax payers and ISP’s should foot the bill for all of this.

Yes. All internet activity should cease immediately whether or not anyone is doing anything illegal. All money from customers should simply be sent to the media corporations whether or not they consume media. All rich and poor, young or old, dead or alive should promptly give all of their money to the media corporations.

As if. Everyone needs to wake the f*ck up.