The “to be forced to” is important guys! An ISP could just give the personal details of people accused of file sharing if they can make an agreement with the Majors & Co…

The government is set to introduce a powerful new independent body with the tough new powers to combat internet piracy.

The new body will be able to have users who consistently use the internet to illegally download films and music cut off by their Internet Service Providers (ISP).

The move would see internet companies, film and record makers and the government teaming up to see that customers are monitored.

It is based on a similar body that was set up in France in November 2007.

Information about persistent pirates would be passed along to the new body who would warn the customer that they may be disconnected from their ISP if the piracy continues.

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The fight for a better future begun.
Movie, game and music producers have been calling for such action for several years.

They cite the ‘IFPI digital music report’ which states that for every legal music download there are 20 illegal downloads of the same material.

Kicking repeat offenders off the net is seen as more of a deterrent to internet pirates than those currently offered by the legal system.

Chief Executive of the IFPI, John Kennedy went on record stating: “It was about time internet service providers took responsibility for file shares”.

Found this on Supanets Homepage (www.supanet.com)

Looks like things are looking bleak for us British File Sharers

i think ill move to sweden now thank you

Europe works top-down. Everything what’s been decided on European level, has to be implemented on national level. A European High Court ruling is an interpretation, and should be considered as a European law.

IP-addresses are already considered as being personal information (privacy), so they cannot be given away, unless crime comitted. That’s a quite watertight situation we’re in.

Sure, they’ll try, but then, let’s take that to the European High Court. Before, we only had a law that could’ve been interpreted one way or another, this said how it should be interpreted.

So, until laws are changed, on European level, we’re quite safe. That is, privacy for you and your friend, large scale piracy is a crime, so that’s another story.

Large scale privacy is wrong. Why should we change one corrupt corporation for another, even worse, organisation. I share because money should go to the artists, and extended (but a small %) to the ones that add value, not to some label.

It should be as if it were street musicians. I decide wether I pay or not, and the amount.

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© needs to die.

The people who hail to the EU due this non-event are worse than morons. They’d probably kill their grandma for a lolipop. The only good thing about the EU is that it’s maybe, just maybe, for the very moment, slightly more humane than the China or even the USA. Nonetheless, the EU is busy catching up and every single member is slowly turning into a police state and almost every political decision is the result of lobbyism.

The only thing the EU says is: We don’t care either way, all members can set their own rules.

Thats not what I would call a big win for pirates.[/quote]

It is a big win for pirates, as its highly unlikely that countries will make laws that invades peoples privacy, freedom and human rights for civil matters.

Its up to the people in those countries to protect their interests and preventing sutch laws.
Its a big win as EU did not force all ISPs to having to do sutch a thing. Im pretty sure alot of ISPs are relieved in this news ;)

That’s about right. The key words were are “invasion of privacy”.

Laws usually allow an exception to this constitucional principle, only in very limited situations and situations that are carefuly controled. Criminal law is one of those situations, generally speaking.

Anyway, no sane (or possibly a deceived one) person would ever allow – would consent – on an invasion of their own privacy.

So while it might be true that the ISP could hand over the information, the individual person still (and always) has power to invoque that their privacy has been illegaly invaded (along with a whole lof of things).

I repeat, NOTHING.

So, EU law does not REQUIRE the member countries to force their ISP to reveal information in civil cases ?

But they are NOT PROHIBITED to do so either.

Many EU countries are planning exactly this and some have already implemented this.

Btw, noone is stopping you from filing a CRIMINAL complaint.
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It IS PROHIBITED. EU laws, generaly, only allow such *invasion to it’s citizens privacy* when the issue is related to crime (example: offenses of sexual nature).

It is only allowed in such sititions, that means it is prohibited in all the rest. Plain and simple.

Even if they were allowed to “invade” the privacy, with suspictions of a sexual offense, even in that case, if they find out that they were *also* illegaly sharing files, that wouldn’t matter. The evidence would only be admissible in relation to the sexual offenses. When you ask to such an inspection, you have to actually say what you are looking for.

Basicaly: If you are looking for A, which is a crime; you can’t then say that even though A didn’t happen, B, which is only civil matter, happened and that the evidence we found when looking for A will do the trick.

I repeat, NOTHING.

So, EU law does not REQUIRE the member countries to force their ISP to reveal information in civil cases ?

But they are NOT PROHIBITED to do so either.

Many EU countries are planning exactly this and some have already implemented this.

Btw, noone is stopping you from filing a CRIMINAL complaint.

Let the district attorney do the dirty work of identifying the IP owner and have your lawyer get the personal information after the case has been closed.

This procedure still works and is being used widely …[/quote]
Wrong, they cant force ISPs to do it, but if they willingly wants to they can. However they cant just do it when ever they feel like it as they have to give subscribers information and allow them to change ISP then.

And since personal piracy is a civil matter they cant file it criminal, and ive not heard anywhere that anyone has done this. They attemted to make it a criminal offence in courts but failed. in US though i think their still trying to make filesharing a criminal offence. but in europe it is NOT so they cant demand information from ISPs, and if a ISP wants to provide information they cant do so immidietly and they have to inform their customers first and change the contracts.

so you humbly fail, im sorry ;)[/quote]post 47 was meant to quote the above..

The only thing the EU says is: We don’t care either way, all members can set their own rules.

Thats not what I would call a big win for pirates.

"Usuarios europeos que comparten ficheros dieron un enorme impulso jurídico hoy, ya que el Tribunal Europeo de Justicia (ECJ) declaró que la legislación actual de la UE no permite que proveedores de servicios de Internet estén obligados a reve…

I repeat, NOTHING.

So, EU law does not REQUIRE the member countries to force their ISP to reveal information in civil cases ?

But they are NOT PROHIBITED to do so either.

Many EU countries are planning exactly this and some have already implemented this.

Btw, noone is stopping you from filing a CRIMINAL complaint.

Let the district attorney do the dirty work of identifying the IP owner and have your lawyer get the personal information after the case has been closed.

This procedure still works and is being used widely …[/quote]

That’s what I heard on the radio today, also.

Just that the EU court don’t force their countrymembers to give away IP/personal information. But that it was UP TO THEMSELVES to decide.

Basicly nothing changes, which is a bit sad, but still Europe is a nice place for piracy :)

I seem to be reading this differently to others. Just because EC law doesn’t require member states to lay down an obligation to disclose personal data doesn’t mean they prohibit it.
If a person was using the internet for secondary infringement, for example for downloading files which they were selling in the course of a business, then they would be committing a criminal offence and I cannot see why this ruling would prevent an enforcement agency contacting an ISP and asking for data logs etc.

I seem to be reading this differently to others. Just because EC law doesn’t require member states to lay down an obligation to disclose personal data doesn’t mean they prohibit it.
If a person was using the internet for secondary infringement, for example for downloading files which they were selling in the course of a business, then they would be committing a criminal offence and I cannot see why this ruling would prevent an enforcement agency contacting an ISP and asking for data logs etc.

There is a difference between ‘ their ‘ and ‘ they’re ‘. Learn it, morons.[/quote]
smuck its quite obvious not all are americans posting here, i suggest you troll on other sites where people might care about spelling ;)
like US warcraft forums lots of kids there need to learn spelling. go teatch them! :D

It says you(Logistep/MPAA/RIAA etc..) are not allowed send infrindgement letters to people in Austria. Anyone can confirm this?

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0119/1200605160420.html

I repeat, NOTHING.

So, EU law does not REQUIRE the member countries to force their ISP to reveal information in civil cases ?

But they are NOT PROHIBITED to do so either.

Many EU countries are planning exactly this and some have already implemented this.

Btw, noone is stopping you from filing a CRIMINAL complaint.

Let the district attorney do the dirty work of identifying the IP owner and have your lawyer get the personal information after the case has been closed.

This procedure still works and is being used widely …[/quote]
Wrong, they cant force ISPs to do it, but if they willingly wants to they can. However they cant just do it when ever they feel like it as they have to give subscribers information and allow them to change ISP then.

And since personal piracy is a civil matter they cant file it criminal, and ive not heard anywhere that anyone has done this. They attemted to make it a criminal offence in courts but failed. in US though i think their still trying to make filesharing a criminal offence. but in europe it is NOT so they cant demand information from ISPs, and if a ISP wants to provide information they cant do so immidietly and they have to inform their customers first and change the contracts.

so you humbly fail, im sorry ;)