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		<title>By: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; CyberLaw Blog</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-518768</link>
		<dc:creator>Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; CyberLaw Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer individuals some comfort. The silence is even more deafening in that on 29 January 2008, the ECJ held that Community law does not require member states to oblige ISPs to disclose details of suspected [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; InstantIdiocy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-518137</link>
		<dc:creator>Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; InstantIdiocy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer individuals some comfort. The silence is even more deafening in that on 29 January 2008, the ECJ held that Community law does not require member states to oblige ISPs to disclose details of suspected [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government&#160;at IDTorrent Blog</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-518067</link>
		<dc:creator>Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government&#160;at IDTorrent Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &amp;#99omfort. &amp;#84he s&amp;#105len&amp;#99e &amp;#105s even more deafen&amp;#105ng &amp;#105n that on 29 January 2008, the ECJ held &amp;#116ha&amp;#116 Communi&amp;#116&amp;#121 law does no&amp;#116 require member s&amp;#116a&amp;#116es &amp;#116o oblige IS&amp;#80s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &amp;#99omfort. &amp;#84he s&amp;#105len&amp;#99e &amp;#105s even more deafen&amp;#105ng &amp;#105n that on 29 January 2008, the ECJ held &amp;#116ha&amp;#116 Communi&amp;#116&amp;#121 law does no&amp;#116 require member s&amp;#116a&amp;#116es &amp;#116o oblige IS&amp;#80s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-517998</link>
		<dc:creator>Accused of Illegal File-Sharing? Complain to the Government &#124; TorrentFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer individuals some comfort. The silence is even more deafening in that on 29 January 2008, the ECJ held that Community law does not require member states to oblige ISPs to disclose details of suspected [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geek News Daily Podcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geek News Daily #17 for January 29, 2008</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-461596</link>
		<dc:creator>Geek News Daily Podcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geek News Daily #17 for January 29, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] European court decides filesharers should stay anonymous [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peachy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-281360</link>
		<dc:creator>Peachy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about those countries where copyright infringement actually is covered by criminal law? (Germany for example has criminal laws within the so called UrhG)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about those countries where copyright infringement actually is covered by criminal law? (Germany for example has criminal laws within the so called UrhG)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-277258</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew (65), fortunately Time Warner Cable isn&#039;t an ISP in the EU. Isn&#039;t Time Warner Cable (previously known as AOL America) completely blocked by BlueTack/PeerGuardian anyway? Actually at some time I had the sneaking suspicion that MPAA/RIAA members are going to buy all major ISP in the USA so that they can fully control what happens on their part of the internet and easily sue every customer because they can link all their IP addresses directly to customers. After all, most ISPs introduced cheap broadband access because they wanted to make with pay-per-view videos and music. So they are/were kinda already in bed with MPAA/RIAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew (65), fortunately Time Warner Cable isn&#8217;t an ISP in the EU. Isn&#8217;t Time Warner Cable (previously known as AOL America) completely blocked by BlueTack/PeerGuardian anyway? Actually at some time I had the sneaking suspicion that MPAA/RIAA members are going to buy all major ISP in the USA so that they can fully control what happens on their part of the internet and easily sue every customer because they can link all their IP addresses directly to customers. After all, most ISPs introduced cheap broadband access because they wanted to make with pay-per-view videos and music. So they are/were kinda already in bed with MPAA/RIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276629</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially if the ISP is owned by the same company as a major. Like Time Warner, who owns Time Warner Cable and the Warner movie/music giant.</description>
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		<title>By: Julien</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276393</link>
		<dc:creator>Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; the European Court of Justice declared that EU law does not allow Internet Service Providers TO BE FORCED TO reveal the personal details of people accused of file sharing. &quot;

The &quot;to be forced to&quot; is important guys! An ISP could just give the personal details of people accused of file sharing if they can make an agreement with the Majors &amp; Co...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; the European Court of Justice declared that EU law does not allow Internet Service Providers TO BE FORCED TO reveal the personal details of people accused of file sharing. &#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;to be forced to&#8221; is important guys! An ISP could just give the personal details of people accused of file sharing if they can make an agreement with the Majors &amp; Co&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276122</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pirates kicked off the net

The government is set to introduce a powerful new independent body with the tough new powers to combat internet piracy. 

The new body will be able to have users who consistently use the internet to illegally download films and music cut off by their Internet Service Providers (ISP). 

The move would see internet companies, film and record makers and the government teaming up to see that customers are monitored.

It is based on a similar body that was set up in France in November 2007. 

Information about persistent pirates would be passed along to the new body who would warn the customer that they may be disconnected from their ISP if the piracy continues. 


Gadgets to save the world.
The fight for a better future begun. 
Movie, game and music producers have been calling for such action for several years.

They cite the &#039;IFPI digital music report&#039; which states that for every legal music download there are 20 illegal downloads of the same material.

Kicking repeat offenders off the net is seen as more of a deterrent to internet pirates than those currently offered by the legal system.

Chief Executive of the IFPI, John Kennedy went on record stating: &quot;It was about time internet service providers took responsibility for file shares&quot;.


Found this on Supanets Homepage (www.supanet.com)

Looks like things are looking bleak for us British File Sharers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pirates kicked off the net</p>
<p>The government is set to introduce a powerful new independent body with the tough new powers to combat internet piracy. </p>
<p>The new body will be able to have users who consistently use the internet to illegally download films and music cut off by their Internet Service Providers (ISP). </p>
<p>The move would see internet companies, film and record makers and the government teaming up to see that customers are monitored.</p>
<p>It is based on a similar body that was set up in France in November 2007. </p>
<p>Information about persistent pirates would be passed along to the new body who would warn the customer that they may be disconnected from their ISP if the piracy continues. </p>
<p>Gadgets to save the world.<br />
The fight for a better future begun.<br />
Movie, game and music producers have been calling for such action for several years.</p>
<p>They cite the &#8216;IFPI digital music report&#8217; which states that for every legal music download there are 20 illegal downloads of the same material.</p>
<p>Kicking repeat offenders off the net is seen as more of a deterrent to internet pirates than those currently offered by the legal system.</p>
<p>Chief Executive of the IFPI, John Kennedy went on record stating: &#8220;It was about time internet service providers took responsibility for file shares&#8221;.</p>
<p>Found this on Supanets Homepage (www.supanet.com)</p>
<p>Looks like things are looking bleak for us British File Sharers</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276082</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow these n00bs used kazaa?
ROFL what n00bs...

i think ill move to sweden now thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow these n00bs used kazaa?<br />
ROFL what n00bs&#8230;</p>
<p>i think ill move to sweden now thank you</p>
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		<title>By: zbu</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276063</link>
		<dc:creator>zbu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a breakthrough.

Europe works top-down. Everything what&#039;s been decided on European level, has to be implemented on national level. A European High Court ruling is an interpretation, and should be considered as a European law.

IP-addresses are already considered as being personal information (privacy), so they cannot be given away, unless crime comitted. That&#039;s a quite watertight situation we&#039;re in.

Sure, they&#039;ll try, but then, let&#039;s take that to the European High Court. Before, we only had a law that could&#039;ve been interpreted one way or another, this said how it should be interpreted.

So, until laws are changed, on European level, we&#039;re quite safe. That is, privacy for you and your friend, large scale piracy is a crime, so that&#039;s another story.

Large scale privacy is wrong. Why should we change one corrupt corporation for another, even worse, organisation. I share because money should go to the artists, and extended (but a small %) to the ones that add value, not to some label.

It should be as if it were street musicians. I decide wether I pay or not, and the amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a breakthrough.</p>
<p>Europe works top-down. Everything what&#8217;s been decided on European level, has to be implemented on national level. A European High Court ruling is an interpretation, and should be considered as a European law.</p>
<p>IP-addresses are already considered as being personal information (privacy), so they cannot be given away, unless crime comitted. That&#8217;s a quite watertight situation we&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>Sure, they&#8217;ll try, but then, let&#8217;s take that to the European High Court. Before, we only had a law that could&#8217;ve been interpreted one way or another, this said how it should be interpreted.</p>
<p>So, until laws are changed, on European level, we&#8217;re quite safe. That is, privacy for you and your friend, large scale piracy is a crime, so that&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p>Large scale privacy is wrong. Why should we change one corrupt corporation for another, even worse, organisation. I share because money should go to the artists, and extended (but a small %) to the ones that add value, not to some label.</p>
<p>It should be as if it were street musicians. I decide wether I pay or not, and the amount.</p>
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		<title>By: European Court Decides FileSharers Should Stay Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-276058</link>
		<dc:creator>European Court Decides FileSharers Should Stay Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;European Court Decides FileSharers Should Stay Anonymous...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Kenny Kenny</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275909</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At 53. Yes exactly. What we have is a wierd mishmash of US legal principle alongside  misunderstandings of the relationship between EC and member states law and  the added spice of people gettting confused about the difference between all three. Plus, of course, the civil criminal divide. 
 Thinking that US principles apply to EC law is not something that only fools do. I have just found one of the &quot;leading&quot; IP textbooks, Bainbridge,  that is used in second tier UK universities, doing exactly the same thing. Apllying a US Supreme Court  decision that was based on the  constitution to UK copyright law. 
  Within the UK at least the presumption is that all evidence is admissable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 53. Yes exactly. What we have is a wierd mishmash of US legal principle alongside  misunderstandings of the relationship between EC and member states law and  the added spice of people gettting confused about the difference between all three. Plus, of course, the civil criminal divide.<br />
 Thinking that US principles apply to EC law is not something that only fools do. I have just found one of the &#8220;leading&#8221; IP textbooks, Bainbridge,  that is used in second tier UK universities, doing exactly the same thing. Apllying a US Supreme Court  decision that was based on the  constitution to UK copyright law.<br />
  Within the UK at least the presumption is that all evidence is admissable.</p>
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		<title>By: fjaak</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275852</link>
		<dc:creator>fjaak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, who wants to bet that in 2 years making a backup of your music will be a criminal offense and not a civil issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, who wants to bet that in 2 years making a backup of your music will be a criminal offense and not a civil issue.</p>
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		<title>By: annoyance</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275722</link>
		<dc:creator>annoyance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E xtremely
U ncivilized</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E xtremely<br />
U ncivilized</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275711</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Cheers</description>
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		<title>By: James.</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275439</link>
		<dc:creator>James.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next step. Declare an I.P address as personal information and private. 

Â©  needs to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next step. Declare an I.P address as personal information and private. </p>
<p>Â©  needs to die.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275413</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i want to move to europe *-*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want to move to europe *-*</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/european-filesharers-anonymous-080129/#comment-275391</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jam: So what? The EU is not the USA. Even illegally collected evidence can be used in court in most EU (maybe all) countries. The law system of the USA is absolutely irrelevant outside of US terrority. Other countries have completely different concepts. It&#039;s not just the details. I&#039;m always annoyed by US-Americans who make comments about laws (especially regarding &quot;copyright&quot;) thinking their understanding of US laws has the slightest relevance for the rest of the world. Sadly, there are many Non-US-Americans who &quot;learn&quot; everything about laws through discussions with US-Americans.

The people who hail to the EU due this non-event are worse than morons. They&#039;d probably kill their grandma for a lolipop. The only good thing about the EU is that it&#039;s maybe, just maybe, for the very moment, slightly more humane than the China or even the USA. Nonetheless, the EU is busy catching up and every single member is slowly turning into a police state and almost every political decision is the result of lobbyism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jam: So what? The EU is not the USA. Even illegally collected evidence can be used in court in most EU (maybe all) countries. The law system of the USA is absolutely irrelevant outside of US terrority. Other countries have completely different concepts. It&#8217;s not just the details. I&#8217;m always annoyed by US-Americans who make comments about laws (especially regarding &#8220;copyright&#8221;) thinking their understanding of US laws has the slightest relevance for the rest of the world. Sadly, there are many Non-US-Americans who &#8220;learn&#8221; everything about laws through discussions with US-Americans.</p>
<p>The people who hail to the EU due this non-event are worse than morons. They&#8217;d probably kill their grandma for a lolipop. The only good thing about the EU is that it&#8217;s maybe, just maybe, for the very moment, slightly more humane than the China or even the USA. Nonetheless, the EU is busy catching up and every single member is slowly turning into a police state and almost every political decision is the result of lobbyism.</p>
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