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Extradition For Pirates? Seized Domain Admins Call It Quits

As US authorities continue with Operation in Our Sites, putting pressure on file-sharing services and seizing their domains, for some it is all to easy to champion a heroic fight back against these “forces of evil”. But for the admins of one site targeted by ICE and DHS, the thought of being extradited to the US is a step too far. What started off as fun was turning into something else. Today they announce that “enough is enough.”

Spoiled by the militant style of The Pirate Bay founders, who raised their middle fingers at some of the most powerful corporate and governmental organizations in the world, many in the file-sharing community feel that utter defiance is the only approach to dealing with copyright-related adversity.

With such a high benchmark set for sticking-it-to-the-man, on countless occasions over the last decade the community has sighed in collective resignation and disappointment when site admins or product developers have “caved in” to the demands of the entertainment industries.

But there are real people behind these stories of admins fighting for their lives, and while it’s easy to move on to tomorrow’s news with barely a second thought for their predicament, they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of their actions.

In May, US authorities embarked on phase 4 of Operation in Our Sites, seizing the domains of several more sites including that of Re1ease.net, a portal that offered links to movie and TV shows. Although the site quickly returned with a new domain, once the dust has settled the seriousness of their situation weighed heavily on the site’s admins.

“At the time I was happy the domain was all that was taken. If we had of lost the server I imagine we would have just quit there and then,” site admin PiraCee told TorrentFreak.

RE1_VOD, another Re1ease admin, explained that it came as a shock for the site to be targeted over other much larger sites of the same kind, but they remained defiant.

“We registered several domains being stubbon not to be taken offline,” he explained. “The initial plan was to re-code Re1ease to be API-based and be a distributed website.”

But it seems the mood soon changed.

While RE1_VOD recalls the excitement of getting up during the night to be the first to add content and beat competing sites, he told us that once the US government got involved it was an altogether different game.

Already the site had suffered problems with advertisers who would delay payments for months only to announce they could not deal with the site, presumably on copyright grounds. DMCA takedown notices began to cause problems too.

“We would reply to DCMA requests but just one email from copyright holders to hosts would result in them turning the website off,” says RE1_VOD.

“Apart from the effort that was to be involved, personally, the whole thing killed my passion for the project. What started as something fun simply wasn’t anymore,” says PiraCee.

Despite the issues, Re1ease continued with their work but last month came news of a real game-changer – the attempt at extraditing TVShack.net admin Richard O’Dwyer to the US.

“This was one of the main reasons for the closure. We didn’t fancy a holiday of that nature,” PiraCee explains.

“The risks outweigh the pros of running a site like Re1ease now, then when we heard about TVShack, we thounoughtnough is enough.”

“Hopefully, in one way or another, if Re1ease was still being watched in the same was TVShack was, they will see the closure as willingness to co-operate and that will be the end of the matter. We really do feel for Mr O’Dwyer.”

So for Re1ease, this really is the end. Both admins send their thanks to the staff and users of the site but while PiraCee and RE1_VOD will stay online, priorities will change.

“We don’t plan on leaving the Internet, but we are going to concentrate on our personal lives. I myself have just got engaged and i’m in the middle of buying a house / starting a family,” PiraCee concludes.

As the world becomes ever more connected through the Internet and other networks, we are communicating like never before – more quickly and more often. But despite these greater links between us, through the myriad of so-called social-networks, it is easier than ever to forget that there are real people behind these mountains of text on screens.

Some of these are real people in the file-sharing community and they face difficult times – who can blame them when they make tough decisions? Their families won’t, that’s for certain.

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  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    As an Admin myself – I CERTAINLY don’t blame them for baling out either.

    But the USA is turning into a genuinely Evil Empire with its myriad of anti-social, business oriented stance and protectionism of its own failing industries at the expense of freedom to share for no cash, no profit and no gain is simply DISGUSTING.

    These guys REALLY need to back off, and allow humanity to develop properly and fairly without the interference of greedy cunts such as the MAFIAA.

    • Anonymous

      Welcome to Nazi America.

    • Anonymous

      You shouldn’t hate all of America, not all Americans agree with this idiotic pack of thieves in government.Then again we have been deceived in America by a bunch of liars and crooks who are robbing the citizens blind. This is not the America i know and love.
      Since Obama bin laden came into office the socialist agenda from the new world order aka the bilderberg group aka the Illuminati aka the queen of england aka social Darwinism etc etc etc!!!!!
      Trust me this bilderberg group is global. Globalist from all over the world the elitist of the elite. If you think it’s just America wake up it’s happening world-wide originally starting in Australia then china then the rest of the world then America then Greece then uk then freaking Africa see the chain reaction like a spider casting it’s web?
      The globalist don’t care about the common man. They want to kill 80% percent of the world population. WAR =’S MONEY!! JAPAN AND SO CALLED TSUNAMI’S.
      MORE “GOONS” -COUGHS -I MEAN POLICE AND FAKE FEDERAL AGENCIES!!
      We as citizens of the world must do is keep fighting for freedom. Don’t forget these words “It’s us vs. them” They stand no chance with their evil manipulation. if we keep fighting against the system. Never give up keep fighting for your countries and tell these globalist swines fucks to leave.
      We also need to abolish the united nations.The list goes on. Wake up and realize we are under attack world-wide.
      “I WANT FREEDOM WORLDWIDE.I WON’T LET THEM DESTROY MY WORLD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO POSE FEAR HATE!!! DEMONIZING SCUM THIS IS MY WORLD ,THIS IS YOUR WORLD ,THIS WORLD BELONGS TO ALL OF US!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!”

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        For the record, my darling sausage, I don’t hate all of America or even what it stands for (mostly) – I do however, object VERY strongly to the USA’s MAFIAA-funded political protectionism that is PROVEN to hold back human development with this stupid copywrong law that has no place in modern society.

        The American people are terrific, and I feel really sorry for them because they have to suffer the shit from their fascist government day in, day out.

        Now their fevered and frenzied government are trying to come for us too. Just who the fuck do they think they are?

        • Anonymous

          Oh i know i respect you my friend i just had to put that their because i was reading allot of negative comments. But i being a Brazilian born American citizen. I see the major difference in both countries.How Brazil has changed and the economy there. The Brazilian spirit.I’m not saying Brazil is at it’s best. I see one nation under tyranny another where they are anti-war and all about love and happiness. I say this to all of you, “Give me freedom or give me death but i will put a hell of a fight before i give up my freedom.” ;)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          Just for the record, if the videogamers are waking up to the fact that the law is seriously messed up, there’s a chance our policies can get better.

          But man… If only I could be President, I would fire a LOT of people that are “heads of government positions”…

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        For the record, my darling sausage, I don’t hate all of America or even what it stands for (mostly) – I do however, object VERY strongly to the USA’s MAFIAA-funded political protectionism that is PROVEN to hold back human development with this stupid copywrong law that has no place in modern society.

        The American people are terrific, and I feel really sorry for them because they have to suffer the shit from their fascist government day in, day out.

        Now their fevered and frenzied government are trying to come for us too. Just who the fuck do they think they are?

      • Haxor

        and just prey tell is the american doing that is against this doing?
        Writing about it on a web board and effectively doing nothing bit try and stem the tide of lets fuck up americans today. WELL i got a new one…lets start beating up attacking and killing actors and musicians at least when they extradite me to a hole in the earth for a beating it will have been worth it.

        remember there are a lot more of us then them a few good attacks for real world wide or riots and your gonna see them rethink this shit as actors start making calls to the mpaa and riaa for a stop of it.

        • Anonymous

          Ok I’m completely lost in your comment please rewrite it.That or you need a better translator.No pun intended. I do more than you think sitting on a “web board” like you said. Thank you.
          “WELL i got a new one…lets start beating up attacking and killing actors and musicians at least when they extradite me to a hole in the earth for a beating it will have been worth it.”
          For your info!! it’s not the entertainers that are to blame. What the fuck did a musician or actor do?
          It’s the mpaa (major 6 distributions that fuck shit up for everyone.) Also goes for the riaa ( Major record labels).
          We need to awaken those actors singers etc. What those industries are up to. As for rioting, riot for something like getting rid of crooked government. Whichever country you live in. If you protest it’s for something you stand for.

      • Anonymous

        The majority voted for them, so I can blame them just fine. Fuck the US.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          Amen.

          People get the government they deserve.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          Amen.

          People get the government they deserve.

    • Occamsmallet

      Once again, the thieves and pirates whimper at the injustice of getting caught….

      • Anonymous

        So its all about getting caught?

        “I hate how they can do Y when X works better to stop crIME X”
        or
        “I think this approach to stopping crime X is bad for Y Z A reasons”

        “You must commit crime X”

        ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

        It’s about DUE PROCESS, ACTING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW primarily.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        Aha new meat!!! Yum yum….
        The only injustice being committed is that against humanity and our overall development toward a decent and fair society you dumbass sociopathic troll.

        What’s for the next course? I’m still hungry…

        • Occamsmallet

          So, your saying it is an Injustice, that Admins being pursued per international laws and treaties, for breaking laws in the U.S. and many other countries, is a violation of human rights and the next step down the slippery slope of an Orwellian nightmare? please. try setting your sites a bit higher than a bunch of people not getting a free copy of “Transformers”

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          lol, what a crap response = you’re pwnd, any1 gotta dime?

          Please note there’s a BIG difference between actual law and imaginary law that you wish to exist.

          Bye Bye, have a nice trip …

        • Anonymous

          @Occamsmallet
          And you think it isn’t? European citizens being extradited to foreign countries to stand trial for things that are not a crime in their own country? You think that is how the world should be? All admins of gay websites should be extradited to Iran?

          Why these guys quitting though? No one has any idea if any country will ever extradite for such a rediculous claim.

        • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

          yeah rob… I too love the fresh meatiness-ey … tastiness of fresh trolls…. mmmm

        • Occamsmallet

          o’rlly, copy and paste the applicable law, blowhard, your like a most of the kinder on these forum, when someone stands up to your foolishness, you resort to “pwned”

          I’ll admit right up, I am not a lawyer, and its obvious you are not either.

          whatever…..

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        No, we simply object to one nation strong-arming other nations with extraterritorial extradition requests over what couldn’t even be described as pilfering – where such efforts ought and should be reserved for, say, extraditing terrorists and mass murderers.

        As some other people on the thread have it, there’s such a thing as proportionality and jurisprudence. The owners of the site in question would have been running a perfectly legitimate operation according to many local laws.

        But i suppose if you support this effort then you’d be in favour of the Latvian government demanding the extradition of, say, pro-gay advocates from the US? Ireland and Portugal should be able to demand extradition of abortion clinic workers from the UK? China should be able to tell the US to hand over it’s dissidents-in-exile who are violating their laws about “Anti-government propaganda”?

        • Occamsmallet

          Its as much pilfering, as selling counterfit goods are, and a much closer analogy than comparing pirate site admins to oppressed minorities. using your own criteria, should these admins be treated the same as a gang of crooks selling fake rolex’s?

          clarify the law for me, in the targeted countries, what ARE the penalties for what these admins doing? convince me that these people should not face charges in the physical locations of the servers, based on local law. Everyone is acting like the US is the only gov. on the planet to go after pirate sites, and we all know very well this is not true.

        • puddipuddi

          why won’t this shite let me reply to Occamsmallet? Any way, this is for him.

          Do you really think people should be sent to another country to be tried for their crimes? That’s ridiculous. Do you realise that your very own beliefs basically ignore the constitution on the US? Censorship in the US used to be something that made people disgusted, and it still does. And this industry is trying to sneak it into our lives because they know the general public would not agree. This whole copyright mess is one of the sneakiest scams in US history, and it will be the subject of an entire chapter in high school history books. And I will live to see you fall, I fucking guarantee it.

          I’m in my 20′s, and I am a programmer. Myself and everyone else in said group are the future, YOU FAIL.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “clarify the law for me, in the targeted countries, what ARE the penalties for what these admins doing? convince me that these people should not face charges in the physical locations of the servers, based on local law.”

          Certainly. In Spain, for instance, it is quite legal to share any and all copyrighted works noncomercially and Spanish judges all the way up to their supreme courts have repeatedly thrown out every copyright case entered.

          Where we’re talking about the UK the problem is mainly that extradition isn’t used for any crime short of actual assault or grand theft. The organized rolex peddling ring you describe would never even be considered for extradition. At most what you can expect is for the US interest to charge the UK citizens under local law.

          I’ll go even one step further. It is quite possible for a US interest to raise a charge against a UK citizen under local UK law. The UK legal enforcement agencies will then – if a crime under applicable law is suspected – pursue the matter.

          This hasn’t happened.

          So you see, the reason for the extradition request is purely and simply because the administrators do not violate local national law and thus cannot be charged under it. In short this is exactly the same as if Latvia or Iran should demand the extradition of pro-gay activists from the US.

          No matter which way you slice it, that just isn’t acceptable. We can’t have Saudi Arabian militant extremists try to extradite women drivers from foreign countries, We can’t have salman Rushdie extradited to Iran because his writings are punishable by death under Iranian sharia laws. And we can’t have the US extraditing people just because the country those people live in does not consider what they do a felony.

    • Guest

      welcome to Prison Planet

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

    I fully understand their position.
    That though is exactly what the MAFIAA and their bought & paid for ICE & DHS flunkeys probably intended all along. Threaten people with extradition (using an extradition treaty weighted heavily in favour of the US at the expense of UK citz… sorry SUBJECTS) and the collateral damage caused by the resulting FUD will be well worth the effort.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Indeed, I too understand them and wish those guys luck. It’s refreshing to know several ppl will still resist and more sharing sites are born every day. And while the sites may die themselves the hashes will live on.

      They are fighting a lost war.

  • http://www.filesoup.com/forum Geeker

    PiraCee, RE1_VOD and all who were involved with keeping Re1ease online throughout, I wish you all good luck with your future endeavours on and offline.

  • PiraCee

    I realise that my spelling is horrendous :(
    Excellent article. Thanks

  • Gorewell

    The USA has in many ways been the evil empire for a long time. The history of the union movement is a good example. The fight to have a reasonable workplace is i feel more basic that the right to cheap entertainment.

    The american history of public health where the people are so brainwashed they vote to keep vast number of people uninsured.

    Fear the Evil Empire? I sure do. I would not even go there for a holiday..

    • Anonymous

      Lol, i’m more scared of the US lashing out in some uncontrolled temper attack or passing a law that makes them world fuhrer, then i am of extremist Muslims attacking.

    • Anonymous

      Lol, i’m more scared of the US lashing out in some uncontrolled temper attack or passing a law that makes them world fuhrer, then i am of extremist Muslims attacking.

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  • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

    While I do understand the admins fears, release the code as open source so that others who are not afraid of the “big bad boogeymen” can continue.

    They will always be people who will be intimidated and throw in the towel, and there will always be people who pick up where the last person has left off and make things better… make it easier for the latter.

    Heck, we are more than willing to host a downloadable zip/rar file of the code on our site if you want us to, just as we hosted a mirror of MAFIAAfire when times were tough and traffic high for for mafiaafire.

    In the end if you quit now and take your ball and go home, what have your left behind? Just a memory that will fade as your users find the next place to get what you were offering them. Your site may be dead, but let it’s spirit live on in others.

    Just my 2cents.

    • PiraCee

      Open source isn’t a bad idea..

    • http://re1ease.net RE1_Vod

      Re1ease has three versions, V1 contains the AdminCP, V2 is a streamlined main site version of V1 (no admincp).
      So if we were to open source the code, it would be V1 which is not (too) bad.

      V3 on the other hand was in final stages of development when the decision was made to close.

      Would their be much demand for an opensource version of re1ease? we could host on GitHub and mirror on TPB. (Database pruned of user identifiable data).

      If theirs much demand, it could be released within several days.

      • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

        Delete the user data, release all three versions saying
        what their limitations are and
        how far you have come in their development
        + what ideas you had
        or what needs to be done
        or what you started to do and did not complete
        etc

        Document it as best you can so if someone else (or many others) decide to use your code they can easily pick up where you left off from.

        The great thing about code is even if there is not a great demand right now, suddenly in the future there might be for a particular project.

        Even if someone does not use your entire code, they might like chunks of stuff that solves problems that they have right now… but that you solved in the past.

        Remember, you are **not losing anything** if you were just going to delete it and fade away, but you MAY be helping someone else start the next Piratebay or… Google.

        • Anonymous

          Torrent + gidhub plz. We can use the torrent for long term storage. Just make sure to let us know when it’s ready. Maybe in newsbits here on TF or i’m going to miss the whole thing again.

  • uk

    I says the rest of the world invades the us and kicks their freaking ass. I’m telling ya, i’m near ready to organize a revolt against the US. I’m slowing falling into a hole of hate towards them. Like a serious hate too.

  • uk

    I says the rest of the world invades the us and kicks their freaking ass. I’m telling ya, i’m near ready to organize a revolt against the US. I’m slowing falling into a hole of hate towards them. Like a serious hate too.

    • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

      Careful… them words make thee a “terrorist” and against the fatherland…oops, I meant motherland… oops, I meant homeland!

      Them words can also book thee a one way ticket to Gitmo,
      “Proof be damned he says he hate’s the empire!”

      • Haxor

        and that list is growing so large of its own citizens that it wont matter ….

      • Anonymous

        Indeed, and words like those can be considered terrorists acts. There are better ways to counter our stupid ass Government here in the States, and soon enough, a civil war could occur in its own way without the need of international interference. Not like other countries really help the US anyway, so in a sense, we’re on our own as it is.

    • gae

      Looks like the CIA just added another name to their monitoring list :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    MAFIAA the war on you will be fierce.USA ICE suck my dog’s asshole you fucken moron pieces of crud.
    This country is disgusting.Wish I could revoke my citizenship and go somewhere else.I hate this government so much and there is nothing to do about it.
    How can we fight these shmucks.

    • http://re1ease.net RE1_Vod

      The first step id suggest is to protest in order to stop “special interests” giving money to members of parliament, to persuade their actions.

    • Eatme

      Domestic terrorism is what we fear the most. Don’t forget the constitution lets us own guns. The key is not to bring the fight to them but to kill the people they love, as in their bloodlines. Their children will likely have the same corrupt ideals, you end them and possibly end the insanity. I could be wrong but i say lets give it the good old college try.

    • Guest123

      Just go then. File the paperwork and leave. No one is stopping you. Put your money where your mouth is.

      How about you try fighting them by actually trying to convince people that you have a valid point of view. I’ve never seen a PR campaign by pirates. I’ve never seen any of them going door-to-door or staging public protests. How about you actually do something before you write it off as hopeless.

    • Occamsmallet

      I have good news for you! you CAN renounce your citizenship! perhaps some time in funfilled Somalia or some other hell hole, will raise your spirits!

      • Blackplan

        Balancing need and your idealogical stance is hard. If you’re barely surviving as it is, emigration is simply not an option.
        I’d hazard a guess you’re one of the people who thinks that you can just throw a few million citizens you don’t like out of the country with no consequence. I don’t want to invoke Godwin’s law here, but….

        • Occamsmallet

          I didn’t suggest throwing him out, he suggested giving up his citizenship… that usually implies a desire to leave said country.

          While I think a lot of the talk on this board is silly arse ranting, (including my posts, I must admit) like the saying goes, “while I may not like what you say, I will fight for your right to say it” that, truly is what America is about, which some people seem to forget.

        • Anon

          @Occamsmallet
          You mean what it WAS about…

          It stopped when special interest groups could bribe donate to elected officials. How did you ever allow that anyway?

        • Occamsmallet

          “It stopped when special interest groups could bribe donate to elected officials. How did you ever allow that anyway?”

          good question, from what i understand, this was intended more to even the playing field, considering that you have to be bloody rich to even attempt to run for high office, the ability to have your supporters aid in the election of underdog candidates that could not outspend the more well off. in practice? well…. campaign reform should have happened long ago.

          really level the playing field. pool all the parties funds into a general pot, and divide it between the candidates that win the most popular vote…. to many people with to much at stakes for that to ever happen

    • Josh C

      *cough cough* You can…

  • townie2

    i don’t blame them one bit, the stress, not to mention the potential cost for lawyers. thanks for everything, and best of luck in the future.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone else getting tired of the US playing “World Police”? I mean seriously.
    http://www.total-privacy.se.tc

    • Anonymous

      To be fair on the US then the British Empire once did that as well over 100 years ago when they ruled the seas and acted as police to any shipments. I doubt these invaded foreign ships were at all happy as well. It is true to say that it was all about control and to dominate the trade market.

      History repeats itself and so do the mistakes. You may recall England got much tea from China. To balance this trade deficit they chose opium from India. Since Opium was unlawful in China they tried to stop it leading to War. The British won, the Chinese Army was massacred, and hundred thousands of Chinese citizens were turned into drug addicts. The real price of tea from China.

      Not many years ago we gave Hong Kong back. Spoils of that same War.

  • Snicker

    Well, the admins of Re1ase sort of said quite a lot between the lines there…

    Basically, they didn’t get the ad’ money, so they jacked it in.

    That is what is wrong with pirate sites now, it is all about the fuckin money, you don’t host the vids, infact you don’t even host your own banners. so you have very little running costs, and you should be happy to pay a few bucks to keep your baby going if donations don’t cover the server costs.

    If you’re just in it to get money from ad’s and up’s then you can fuck off and I’m glad you have gone down, and I wish you had been busted.

    It is tried and tested that the sites that don’t milk the ad’s, don’t get targeted.

    • PiraCee

      We where never in it for the money, but without money for server bills and a loss of interest we didn’t feel like going on.

      • Snicker

        I’m sure people who have never ran a website (that doesn’t host its own stuff) might believe that.

        I have and do, so I don’t.

    • Haxor

      so bitotrrent replaces the mpaa distribution costs that are like 99% of the final retail costs and your worried about some smuck making 50$ for all that volume or maybe a grand, ya know ….

      here’s where the mpaa and riaa screwed up. THEY could have gone to a few trackers and asked for a donate button and split it with the site and themselves.
      50/50 as to ads thats the sites they dont bring that much revenue….
      NOW instead ya have a scramble to find donations each month to keep going.
      remember us users have to PAY to use the net and bandwidth in canada aint cheap. WERE now paying the 99% of retail costs yet i dont see me being paid …….

      • Snicker

        If you think they were only making $50 (maybe a grand) you are seriously misinformed.

        Sites only cost a pittance to host when you don’t host ANY content.

        • http://twitter.com/Fluve Fluve

          Are you stupid. Although there is very little content, the traffic they had and the bandwidth they consumed would still need a good reliable server.

          Go back to your shared hosting.

          Also who cares if they make some money? They’re doing a favour for people, appreciate it.

  • http://re1ease.net RE1_Vod

    Thanks for all the support, great article.

    We will try and keep updated on our next project, hopefully a project away from the pressure of governments.

    • Momo

      Freenet?

  • Cavelord

    First off, I’m not a troll. Second off: LOL. In countries where you get your tits cut off because your a women, mass murder because of drugs, death from famine…you would start a revolution because of USA closures of internet sites….shows the priorities of some of the people in the comments. Why does the USA take a lead in the fight against piracy? Do they have the most to lose? 95% of the internet copied content is American? Not saying that it is right, just realizing for the first time that maybe I don’t need this stuff…like the admins….and that life contains something grander….

    • Anonymous

      “95% of the internet copied content is American?”
      No even close. On an english language site, a lot more than 5% is UK, canada, Aussie, Kiwi…
      Of course, including NON-english language, you’ll find that 50%+ is asian. a substantial amount is Spanish, all in all, maybe 10-15% is american

      • Cavelord

        Hmmm…..my world is a little myopic, but in the Top Ten Movies downloaded list on this site, I don’t see any non-american ones….I know it’s a limited scope…

        And if there were a Top Ten Games, Top Ten TV list, which country would be there?

      • Guest

        portuguese (Brazil), french…

  • http://www.inshame.com Tritonio

    When will people start using Tor and Freenet to host such sites???

    • http://www.icefilms.info Ma3lstr0m

      Using TOR would be stupid, it would overload the nodes as soon as the website becomes too big .

      Good luck piracee you know where to find me if you need me . – ma3lstr0m

      • http://www.inshame.com Tritonio

        Although I doubt that TOR couldn’t handle it (it could need some tricks to distribute the load) since that would also draw more nodes to the network, Freenet could very easily handle it even in its current state…

  • Anonymous

    Anyone outside the UK should not worry about being extradited. ICE in the US only did it to the UK because we are weak in this matter having it done before. Even in the case of Richard O’Dwyer it is doubtful he will be extradited when all events he did in the UK and not the USA. We also have plenty of copyright laws already and him charged under English law for a court case here would delay by years any chance of ICE getting him.

    Keep in mind that ICE’s actions violate the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Since those documents are the core of the United States then it is valid to term ICE and all who work for them as anti-Americans. People who harm the United States.

    This extraditing plan, beyond harassment, is in them trying to validate their past actions. I recall ACS:Law did the same when they finally took some people to court. You may recall what happened to Andrew Crossley and I predict that ICE would not do much better and if anything they would desire to avoid a Supreme Court ruling. You cant ignore the US Constitution and Bill of Rights there can we ICE?

    As to these sites owners then we understand you. Anyone in this situation is best to close down their business and then to reopen it under a new name and owner. A total reset may put you back to square one and add much work but then your former problems would be gone.

    Well we are at War and there will always be winners and losers. We don’t have to win every battle but we do have to win the War. It is copyright that is wrong and not us. No retreat and no surrender.

    • Haxor

      whom are you at war with? disabled and poor …i see ask that french king how that worked out and a few of your own kings

      • Anonymous

        Copyright monopoly and abuse which is anti-competitive and violates public rights and freedoms.

  • anon

    typo: “we thounoughtnough is enough.”->”we thought enough is enough.”

    • PiraCee

      ;(

  • Fanny

    Yes, in some countries you get your tits cut off for various reasons, but make no mistake – the USA isn’t far behind. This is the way tit cutting starts! We must start to see the USA for the evil empire that it is. Sure, there are some nice Americans – perhaps most of them, but it is their institutions and government that are evil and are trying to influence the world in a negative way. American cultural influence needs to stop. They are already ending the lives of millions prematurely by exporting their disgusting concepts of what constitutes food. Now they want to throw people in jail for “offences” committed outside America which are not even offences in the “criminals” homeland.

    • Cavelord

      Oh…I’m not saying The US Gov’t is not evil, but they are evil for so much more than “Internet Influencing”…..for we are the ones that brought down the economy of most of the world (Of course we were the ones that over inflated it too…

  • dlj

    It’s disgusting when people from other countries are afraid of the government of the usa, for doing things that should be legal in the first place, such as linking to other websites and sharing.

  • MC

    On of the biggest signs of an Empire is thinking it has jurisdiction over all that it can see. Its a shame most countries are so scared if this planet sized bully they will not stand up to them Make no mistake, the American Empire exists right now, and thats how future history books will describe this period in the 20th and 21st centuries, and the usa wont stop this shit because they see the whole world as belonging to them or only existing to further their interests. They went from a beacon of freedom to parasites.

    Another thing that is universally true though, empires always fall…..always. The only problem is, they have so much hardware that they could scorch the entire planet in their death throes, and i could very easily see them doing that whilst believing they are right all along.

    • Jmorse43508

      A lot of people have compared America with the Roman Empire. Rome ultimately collapsed under the weight of its own corruption and decadence. The barbarian tribes from outside only hastened its downfall. Similarly, the American Empire is also headed for a downfall.

  • Haxor

    BOY a lot a garbage loads into this place….OH

    START KILLING ACTORS AND MUSICIANS

  • Anon

    Bonnie and Clyde had a ball until the Feds caught up with them and ended it all in a hail of bullets. Fuck using stealth and tech to steal copies of digital files that are ruining the internet for us all. And fuck pirate admins.

    • Anonymous

      And how, pray tell, is the internet ruined for everyone? With the exception of laws the industries want passed, which haven’t been passed yet, nothing has really changed. It’s still the same as it’s always been. With one exception. If you pirate something, you put yourself at risk of being sued. Because people who know nothing about any of this are still experiencing the internet as they always have.

      If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. Isn’t that the phrase that people against piracy and whatnot are always using?

      And Bonnie and Clyde were definitely living in interesting times. They were one of a handful of people/groups that were doing the same thing at that time and place in history. And, I think, since they were pretty much surprise attacked, they had a ball right up until the end. They were madly in love with each other and died together. Lived fast, died young. But definitely enjoyed the time they were around. Which you can’t exactly make seem like a negative.

      • Anon

        No, at 23 and 25 that’s really awesome right up until the bullets fly. Maybe for a second after taking a dozen bullets you have time to think this just might be a considerable mistake before you die. By most accounts they killed nine police officers and several civilian murders. Not that that’s a negative or anything. Just sayin’,

      • Anon

        No, at 23 and 25 that’s really awesome right up until the bullets fly. Maybe for a second after taking a dozen bullets you have time to think this just might be a considerable mistake before you die. By most accounts they killed nine police officers and several civilian murders. Not that that’s a negative or anything. Just sayin’,

        • Anonymous

          Ignoring their criminal actions, did they or did they not enjoy life? Whatever you do, either you live or you don’t. They lived. How they did so is irrelevant. You can’t deny that they did grab life by the horns.

          And I love how you ignore everything else I said and focus on that one thing. I say, “how is the internet ruined for everyone”? You say “wre wre wre murderers and criminals and sarcasm wre wre wre.”

          By most accounts, people who avoid discussing an issue by shifting the spotlight onto something completely irrelevant either have no argument or are just stalling while they try and quickly whip one together. So back to the actual topic. HOW IS THE INTERNET RUINED FOR EVERYONE? There are changes wanted and being pushed for, but they haven’t gone through and likely won’t be anytime soon. The internet for the average Joe Sixpack is exactly the same today as it was yesterday as it was a week ago as it was a month ago. Etc. It seems to me that it hasn’t been ruined FOR EVERYONE (as you originally said). Your rebuttal?

          Or would you like to further discuss something completely off topic? Perhaps the various rottweilers that my family has owned? Because, oddly enough, we buy them in pairs and we have always named them Bonnie and Clyde.

      • Friend of the People

        “Which you can’t exactly make seem like a negative.”

        Sure I can. They got their enjoyment at the expense of the lives of at least 9 police officers and additional civilians. That’s a negative.

        • Anonymous

          No you see, you’re focusing on that one aspect. And even then, they didn’t get enjoyment in killing 9 police officers (which the stories on who exactly killed each individual officer vary) and civilians (which again, who killed them is debatable). They got enjoyment in being alive and in each other’s company. Which is not a negative. Enjoying being alive and having someone to do it with is not a negative. I pointed out to Anon, if you ignore the crimes they committed, it is obvious they did live and love, which is all most people want. Not a negative.

          The only ones who enjoy killing people are sociopaths. From what I’ve read, Bonnie and Clyde were not sociopaths.

          And, if all you’re focusing on in all of what I said is that, you have problems. Not mental ones. I just mean, if this is a torrent and internet type related news sites, and I pose the question “how is the internet ruined for everyone” and then throw a completely unrelated comment in their, like I did and just like Anon did (who started this whole thing, first by saying the internet’s ruined and even before that mentioned Bonnie and Clyde in a pretty unrelated way) and you can’t focus on that one question much less come up with a reasonable answer to it, you’re focusing on the wrong thing. Perhaps to make it seem like I’m glorifying criminals? If that’s the case, just know that I am not. And on that note, can we try and get on topic? If that’s okay with everyone. Or perhaps we can jump onto a Bonnie and Clyde and their ways site and discuss their actions there in a more suitable environment, if that’s what you guys want to talk about. Which it seems it is.

        • Friend of the People

          “if you ignore the crimes they committed,”

          I won’t. They may have enjoyed their life, but the way they lived their life necessitated the deaths of others. They may not have enjoyed the killing, but they still did it, and it was necessary for the way they lived their life. If people just enjoy their lives, that’s fine, but if their method of enjoying life necessitates harm to others, that’s not acceptable. That’s why I can see it as a negative.

          “Perhaps to make it seem like I’m glorifying criminals? If that’s the case, just know that I am not.”

          I didn’t say you were. I didn’t think you were. What I do think is that you were ignoring the harm they did in favor of examining their happiness.

          Don’t complain when I talk about it. You had a problem with what Anon said and you addressed it, so don’t say I shouldn’t do the same with you. If you really want a shift to copyright and torrents, I’ll give you one. This debate about copyright is very often focused on the enjoyment and happiness of those who wish to pirate unhindered by laws and regulations. Very rarely is there discussion of what effect on the cultural landscape will be. If you wish to discuss copyright and torrents, let’s move forward from there.

        • Anonymous

          No, I didn’t ignore the harm they did. But it’s easily verifiable that no one is certain who did what harm. You say 9 deaths of police officers. Do you know for a fact that Bonnie and/or Clyde killed those 9? Because from my research online and in libraries those figures while not debated, are questioned. And by questioned I mean, who exactly killed them is debated. The one that was “for sure” killed by Bonnie, was later determined (but still often ignored despite the truth being made abundantly clear) to not have been killed by her. Or by Clyde for that matter. But a member of their gang. Eyewitness testimony that was very 100% spot on saying it was Bonnie who killed one officer while laughing as she did it, later changed to she did it (minus the laughing) to she actually didn’t even get out of the car til the guy was dead, at which point, not knowing he was dead, she went over to render aid to the man. Those are the facts. You can verify them easily. But the common perception and belief remains to the contrary. So you can’t say with certainty they did kill anyone. Unless you got a time travel device and a video recording of the incident(s) you’d like to share with us.

          Either way, you focus on Bonnie and Clyde without answering the one ACTUAL question pertaining to torrents, internet, etc. Same as Anon.

          “those who wish to pirate unhindered by laws and regulations”

          And that there is a problem. You say they’re ignoring the effects of their actions. But you’re also focusing on only one side of the argument. The American side. Because as has been pointed out before, file sharing is not illegal everywhere. Doesn’t matter if what’s being shared is copyrighted or not. Look at it in the context of the world, and you’ll see most places really don’t care one way or another. Which is why they don’t equate copyright infringement to actual theft.

          And you still ignored what I said. My main freaking point against Anon was “how is the internet ruined for everyone”. I still haven’t heard a response to that. From you or him. You focus on Bonnie and Clyde and on piracy. But you’re still not answer that question. The only one I actually asked or gave a hoot about. How is the internet ruined? And please, unhindered. What do rules and regulations and whatnot really do? Besides label more people as criminals. We’ve got insane drug laws on the books and applied on a daily basis on the streets and in courtrooms and what effect have they actually had? None. Besides putting more people in jail. The tide of drugs flowing into America hasn’t been lessened. The price of drugs hasn’t been affected. If anything all those laws and regulations have done is made it more worthwhile to traffic in narcotics. The money for doing so is certainly seen as good enough to make it worth the risk of getting caught. Meanwhile, taxes get spent stupidly on keeping addicts/recreational users in jail and in trying them in the first place, further tying up our courts. But nothing’s changed. So what good would more laws and regulations do in regards to copyright infringement? They won’t keep people from doing it. If you believe that, you’re pretty naive. The drug laws don’t keep people from using drugs. It just makes them be that much smarter when it comes to not getting caught.

          And what landscape? Do you mean, that the studios will not make movies ever cause of all this? Fat f*cking chance. There’s always going to be a ton of people who pay to see the nonsense that is put on the screen and listen to the gibberish that hits the airwaves. So that ain’t gonna happen, quit producing content. Or do you mean, laws which will place all kinds of restrictions on the net and on their ability to keep tabs on everyone and everything and approve or disapprove of it’s (the internet’s) use? Because you can blame the “criminals” all you want for said laws having to be considered. But at the end of the day, they aren’t pushing for them. The industries laws. And as has been proven at more than one point in history, the ends doesn’t always justify the means. Very rarely does it. More often than not, “the means” comes right back to bite whoever’s imposing it on the a$$.

          And while having a problem with what Anon said, despite throwing an irrelevant comment in there, I did stay on topic. Which you haven’t done. Throw in your two bits about the gang, but either answer the question or don’t. And if you don’t like what I said, you can ignore my comment entirely, as if it’s not even there. I do that when I see things either too stupid to give credence to, or things that plainly do not interest me. It’s not hard to do. So chill out. All I’m saying is stay on topic, go off after. But focus on the important thing. Internet. Ruined. How.

        • Anonymous

          No, I didn’t ignore the harm they did. But it’s easily verifiable that no one is certain who did what harm. You say 9 deaths of police officers. Do you know for a fact that Bonnie and/or Clyde killed those 9? Because from my research online and in libraries those figures while not debated, are questioned. And by questioned I mean, who exactly killed them is debated. The one that was “for sure” killed by Bonnie, was later determined (but still often ignored despite the truth being made abundantly clear) to not have been killed by her. Or by Clyde for that matter. But a member of their gang. Eyewitness testimony that was very 100% spot on saying it was Bonnie who killed one officer while laughing as she did it, later changed to she did it (minus the laughing) to she actually didn’t even get out of the car til the guy was dead, at which point, not knowing he was dead, she went over to render aid to the man. Those are the facts. You can verify them easily. But the common perception and belief remains to the contrary. So you can’t say with certainty they did kill anyone. Unless you got a time travel device and a video recording of the incident(s) you’d like to share with us.

          Either way, you focus on Bonnie and Clyde without answering the one ACTUAL question pertaining to torrents, internet, etc. Same as Anon.

          “those who wish to pirate unhindered by laws and regulations”

          And that there is a problem. You say they’re ignoring the effects of their actions. But you’re also focusing on only one side of the argument. The American side. Because as has been pointed out before, file sharing is not illegal everywhere. Doesn’t matter if what’s being shared is copyrighted or not. Look at it in the context of the world, and you’ll see most places really don’t care one way or another. Which is why they don’t equate copyright infringement to actual theft.

          And you still ignored what I said. My main freaking point against Anon was “how is the internet ruined for everyone”. I still haven’t heard a response to that. From you or him. You focus on Bonnie and Clyde and on piracy. But you’re still not answer that question. The only one I actually asked or gave a hoot about. How is the internet ruined? And please, unhindered. What do rules and regulations and whatnot really do? Besides label more people as criminals. We’ve got insane drug laws on the books and applied on a daily basis on the streets and in courtrooms and what effect have they actually had? None. Besides putting more people in jail. The tide of drugs flowing into America hasn’t been lessened. The price of drugs hasn’t been affected. If anything all those laws and regulations have done is made it more worthwhile to traffic in narcotics. The money for doing so is certainly seen as good enough to make it worth the risk of getting caught. Meanwhile, taxes get spent stupidly on keeping addicts/recreational users in jail and in trying them in the first place, further tying up our courts. But nothing’s changed. So what good would more laws and regulations do in regards to copyright infringement? They won’t keep people from doing it. If you believe that, you’re pretty naive. The drug laws don’t keep people from using drugs. It just makes them be that much smarter when it comes to not getting caught.

          And what landscape? Do you mean, that the studios will not make movies ever cause of all this? Fat f*cking chance. There’s always going to be a ton of people who pay to see the nonsense that is put on the screen and listen to the gibberish that hits the airwaves. So that ain’t gonna happen, quit producing content. Or do you mean, laws which will place all kinds of restrictions on the net and on their ability to keep tabs on everyone and everything and approve or disapprove of it’s (the internet’s) use? Because you can blame the “criminals” all you want for said laws having to be considered. But at the end of the day, they aren’t pushing for them. The industries laws. And as has been proven at more than one point in history, the ends doesn’t always justify the means. Very rarely does it. More often than not, “the means” comes right back to bite whoever’s imposing it on the a$$.

          And while having a problem with what Anon said, despite throwing an irrelevant comment in there, I did stay on topic. Which you haven’t done. Throw in your two bits about the gang, but either answer the question or don’t. And if you don’t like what I said, you can ignore my comment entirely, as if it’s not even there. I do that when I see things either too stupid to give credence to, or things that plainly do not interest me. It’s not hard to do. So chill out. All I’m saying is stay on topic, go off after. But focus on the important thing. Internet. Ruined. How.

    • Quinn

      Steal digital information. I love that argument.

      0 -> 0,0
      1 -> 1,1

      Omfg I just stole 10 things. Binary joke.

  • Anonymous

    “We don’t plan on leaving the Internet, but we are going to concentrate on our personal lives. I myself have just got engaged and i’m in the middle of buying a house / starting a family,” PiraCee concludes. Some of these are real people in the file-sharing community and they face difficult times – who can blame them when they make tough decisions? Their families won’t, that’s for certain.”

    Ah, poor baby … how bout the real people in the creative community you’ve f–ed over so you could have ‘fun.’ Thanks to you they face difficult times too. But all you can talk about is YOUR personal life you selfish, childish bastard!

    • PiraCee

      I’m sure we annoyed them all, but as they cashed there million dollar cheques i’m sure they got over it.

      • Occamsmallet

        and someone actually making money, justifies you being a thief how?

        • Anonymous

          And somebody disagreeing with you make them a thief how?

          And talking about copyright infringement has anything to do with thievery how?

        • Occamsmallet

          Copyright infringment=theft. very simple. the excuse of “the artists only make X % of a record sale, so that justifies me copying this song/vid/game is hogwash. thats still money out of someones pocket if you don’t pay for it. this excludes fair use, in which I agree 100%, the record companies are idiots. this is entire damn mess is like some civil war, both sides are wrong to a certain extent.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “Copyright infringment=theft. very simple.”

          A very simple and very wrong explanation. Let me clarify.

          Theft = You take something from someone else and that person loses it.
          Copyright Infringement = You make a copy of a copy from a third party and the original owner retains the original.

          If you are calling that theft then the person who uses his own raw material to bake oreos identical to the ones being sold at the local 7-11 is also a thief.

          Similarly it is considered fair use even in the most draconian of nations to prepare copies of material for friends, aquaintances and family. The only thing differentiating filesharing from that procedure is that those people in turn allow others to make copies as well.

          Although the last differentiation does form the legal basis for what is called “Copyright Infringement”, naming it “theft” is as accurate as calling participating in a first-person shooter game “murder”.

          And no, a created copy can never be “money out of someone’s pocket”. If that were the case then the recording industry and artists would be able to claim a net profit of multiple times the world GNP each year if only filesharing did not exist.

          In contrast those industries have turned up record profit each year irrespective of the status of filesharing.

          To date there’s about a dozen or more peer-reviewed in-depth studies on the financial impact of filesharing performed by government-employed think tanks, universities, and NGO’s – all of which have disproven the nonsense you are spouting.

          Now if you have any reliable data or studies which support your hypothesis and overturns the previous published works then by all means, feel free to share.
          I seriously doubt it though. The recording industry has tried to prove loss of profit and financial impact due to filesharing since Napster’s days. And has utterly failed to do so for the last fifteen years.

    • Quinn

      WTF are you doing here?

      10:1 this guy’s an artist that doesn’t realize he gets ripped off my these execs not pirates.

  • Anonymous

    i love every admin that gets busted, i respect there site an use it to the fullest till it dies. its sad that people get busted for this. why dont we change to something constructive so that admins arrest arent in vein

  • gae

    Pretty sad really that the USA is able to bully people like this with extradition threats even when those involved are acting fully within the law of their own country.

  • Guest

    There is only one solution to deal wit tthe corporate parasites: Let’s kill them all!

    That’s all I have to say.

  • Notme

    Tyranny is not coming. Tyranny is there. It is time to fetch our guns form an army of liberation and fight folks.

    • Anon

      Yes. Being required to pay for the digital goods we want and take that were created by others for sale is serious form of tyranny. lol moron.

      • Quinn

        GTFO troll.

      • Anonymous

        Oh the irony.

        Considering you deliberately misconstrue the reason it is being labeled tyranny, ignorant asshat.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        No, having someone try to pre-launder what information person A is allowed to send to person B is tyranny. Acting on behalf of law without acknowledging the need for proof is similarly so. Overturning the legal boundary requiring the accuser to prove wrongdoing in practice is also tyranny.

        The legal basis of “digital goods” (laughable term) is another debate entirely.

        Your problem is you confuse the issue of digital goods with what crime-prevention methods can be considered valid in a paradigm where basic civil rights exist.

  • Foff

    Respects dudes. Sorry you had to cave to US threats. Guess the US still carries a lot of weight or you would not be afraid. I think the industry is really afraid of streaming. Right now my internet speed is not fast enough for decent streaming and the quality generally sucks but that will improve. Streaming basically eliminates the need for TV and cable and buying or renting dvd’s. Hollywood is between a rock and a hard place. They can’t offer streaming because cable would complain and they are big customer Hollywood. The other issue is most who would stream do not want to waste 20 minutes per hour of bandwith on commercials.

    I am guessing that as long as the internet is around free stuff will on the internet as long as you know where to find it and how to get it. If the internet becomes a highly censored controlled medium then people will lose interest and use it only for business and stop surfing it and using it they way they are now and most internet companies will shrink to nothing. In fact come to think of it all the companies making billions on the internet ought to pay Hollywood to put free stuff on the internet to keep people interested in the internet the same way advertising keeps people watching tv,

    • Guest

      streaming + wireless

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    This was one of the sites listed in the MAFIAAFire add-on, before the add-on developers claimed that Re1ease was installing shit into our browsers without us knowing.

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  • Anonymous

    Why would The Pirate Bay trial giver other site admins reason to fight? The Pirate Bay 4 WILL spend at least a year in jail because of their actions, as well as lose millions. They are the very OPPOSITE of a success story.

    • Quinn

      No they won’t, and no they won’t. Lol.

    • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

      No they wont and yes they are a HUGE success story.
      And to top it off they are as big heroes as they are successful in the eyes of (hundreds of?) millions.

      What you see today being done to your precious industries (an assumption I am making from your comment) is to a huge part due to them… even though they may not own the domains of the sites that are screwing with you on a daily basis.

      Besides have you seen or heard of our Swedish jails? Do a little Googling, they are compared to 5 star hotels.

      File sharing is part of our culture in Sweden, thanks to a large part due to TPB, they have accomplished something that the MPAA and RIAA have spent millions trying to change that mindset… and failing miserably.

  • Re1_imApirate

    Thank you all for the support, thanks to Vod and Piracee and especially Bruise for taking me in and helping me out when i was new, and being such good friends through this whole thing. We did so much with the limited staff we had, and that scared the government. I support the decision the Piracee and Vod made in shutting the doors, you have to weigh the pro’s and con’s. The con’s started outweighing the pro’s very shortly after being shut down by ICE. I appreciate the time and effort that was put forth with this, and hope to help out as much as i can with the new projects. love you guys(and gal) – imApirate

  • Quinn

    Extradition should be illegal. If they are in another country’s jurisdiction then they are in another country’s jurisdiction.

    STFU and GTFO of other countries’ affairs unless they ask for your involvement.

  • jack murdock

    In a surprising turn of events, we have learned that for all their pretentious rhetoric, pirates are not prepared to stand up the us government. They can act tough on the
    internet all you want, but when it comes down to it, they will turn tail and run for the hills.

    So much for the “when one sites goes down, other will step in and take it’s place thing.” I doubt anyone would want to reviving a downed site anymore now that doing so could land them in a us court. This is the beginning of the end for piracy. Will Gary Fung risk extradition? Will the other big name sites. We will see in due time.

    All you people rambling about how the US is some evil empire that is controlled by the entertainment industry need to get off your soapboxes. All the paranoid delusions don’t change the fact that the artists are the ones who are being protected here. Did you really think that the government would give up after a few sites were brought back under a new domain name or new hosting? Let’s face it. Pirates wanted a war and they got one.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll ignore most of what you said, because I really don’t feel like debating point for point each fallacy in what you said. Besides one:

      “artists are the ones who are being protected here”

      That’s not true. Most of the laws and changes that are wanted aren’t being done with the artists best interest in mind. They’re being done for the benefit of the industries. For groups like the MPAA/RIAA. Not for the artists. If they wanted to look out for the artists best interest, whenever they receive monetary settlements (either in court of our of it), they’d turn those over to the artists. That or instead of taking say $14 for every $15 made from an album sale (with that remaining $1 going to the actual artists), they’d take $7.50 and give the other half to the artists. Either of those actions would show they care about the artists and want what’s in THEIR best interest. But their (the industries) actions so far, show to the contrary, they don’t care about the artists. They care about hanging onto outdated business models. And they’ll do what they can to keep hanging onto them. If that means lobbying to have laws changed in their favor, so be it. I could give more examples of things they do and “so be it” stuff, but I’m lazy.

      Oh, I will say this. You did say one thing I liked. And not because of what you said, but how you said it. The following:

      “This is the beginning of the end for piracy. Will Gary Fung risk extradition? Will the other big name sites. We will see in due time.”

      That reminds me of the old Batman episodes with Adam West.

      “Is this the beginning of the end for Gotham City? Will The Joker’s laughing gas take its’ dire toll on the citizens of Gotham? Will Batman be able to foil this mad criminal’s scheme in time to save Gotham’s citizens? Find out the shocking answers to those questions and more in our next episode. Same bat time. Same bat channel. And now a word from our Sponsors…”

      • jack murdock

        Maybe not much of the money from these lawsuits goes to the artists but when sites like The Pirate Baythat exist for no reason other than to shamelessly screw over artists are gone, the artist can resume reaping their rightful rewards from their creative endeavors.

        1. You pay money for a product at a store
        2. Some of that money goes to the artist

        When you don’t pay for something because you are against the corporation, the artist doesn’t get paid either. Torrents/piracy are a one way solution in which only the consumer’s best interests are served. The creators are reduced to slave status where their role is soley to provide us with entertainment at their own expense. Any efforts to get people to pay for their work is immediately met with hostility.

        • Anonymous

          I see. So what you’re saying is creators are all against torrents. Because torrents are ONLY used for illegal purposes. Is that correct? And not correct, but that’s what you’re saying, right?

          Because there are others reasons for such sites to exist. I’ll give you a hint. To facilitate the sharing of non copyrighted files. Yes, there is copyright infringement going on, but that’s not all that’s going on. You know what I love about torrents. How quickly I can get my Linux distros. Sounds like bs, but it’s not. I can download a Linux distro (and I dl every single one) in 20 minutes, as opposed to getting it direct download from the site it’s hosted on and taking anywhere from an hour to two hours to get it. I can then seed it back to the Linux community and help others get it quickly. I also got all the episodes of Pioneer One so far. Freely distributed. And because I enjoyed it so much I donated $5 for each episode. All I could afford.

          As for rewards of their creative endeavors. Why then is Lady Gaga still rich? Why does Britney Spears have her multi-million dollar home? They’re being ripped off 24/7 aren’t they? And yet, they are still enjoying the benefits of their profession and living lavish lifestyles? Hmm. That’s so odd. Perhaps then, it’s because those things aren’t paid for by the pittance they make from album sales. But from actual work. Like, you know, touring. Performing on stage for their fans. Merchandising. Selling shirts and posters and other random things to said fans. Either in stores or at their concerts. Promotions. Letting Nike use their picture to sell shoes and getting a piece of that pie. You make it sound like the artists literally stop doing anything the minute their works get online. That’s not true. That’s over exaggerating things to the point of outright lying.

          Same for not paying. Guess what? I’d love to get Firefly the entire series on blu-ray. But I have bills to pay that are more important and a family to help support. (My little brother goes to college. He can barely afford to do so. My family helps pay his bills and gives him gas money and etc. because he’s going and to help him out.) So I have not purchased Firefly on blu-ray. Nor probably will any time soon. BUT before you assume I’ve illegally obtained a copy, which I haven’t, you should know I want it on blu-ray and I’ll get it, when possible. But my not buying it, and not planning to do so anytime soon hasn’t cost the artists a dime. All the actors involved in the show, however, DID GET PAID. Hard to believe, but it’s true. They acted in the show. They got paid for their work. So again, what you said is not true. “artists don’t get paid either” BS. Everyone gets paid for the work they do. The moment they do it. To say otherwise is to lie to try and support your argument or play the “victim” card.

          And any efforts aren’t met with hostility. No one’s hostile to the artists (a.k.a. THE ACTUAL CREATORS). People are hostile to the industries. Groups like the MPAA/RIAA. Guess what they do? I’ll give you a hint, it’s not create. So again, you’re misstating things to try and suit your “argument”. People are hostile to the actions of those two groups and their attempts at control. People don’t like that they’re trying to have lobbies passed in their favor. People don’t like that they’ve reverted to trying to exert control in countries that have laws where file sharing is legal. So now they resort to attempting to have them extradited here, to their home turf advantage. That’s what people don’t like. Want me to go on? Because I can.

          So I say to you, what’s your next argument? (And try to keep the outright lies to a minimum. Or do yourself a favor and how bout tell none whatsoever. That gets you more respect for your cause than falsifying things.)

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          “Torrents/piracy are a one way solution in which only the consumer’s best interests are served.”

          …Which is why Trent Reznor sold one million copies of an album he already gave away for free. Which is why Shakira and Lady Gaga don’t give a rat’s ass about filesharing. Which is why Mick Jagger laughed in the face of the interviewer who asked him if he wasn’t afraid of his works being torrented.

          If you have to spout nonsense at least make it factual. Any artist with a solid fan base finds money falling from the sky on him since fans, by and large, are always willing to pay good money for what they collect.

          You keep assuming filesharers are unemployed brats sitting in their mom’s basement. Well, I hate to differ, but in my experience “pirates” spend ten times as much as nonpirates on their media simply because they are enthusiasts – if they weren’t they wouldn’t bother downloading in the first place. And they can usually afford to do so as they have good salaries.

          In fact, it’s far more likely for an unemployed brat to go out and purchase the media he likes (or have daddy buy it) than it is to convince a hard-working exec to spend his precious time going to the store or hassling with online purchasing for media of a lower quality than he’d get on TPB (sanitized and free of commercials and locked legal warnings) in five minutes flat.

          I bought online once. It took me three days to remove the last traces of the DRM which promptly screwed my system over. When the DRM gives you more hassle than what “real” malware does it’s time to find a different distributor.

          Same these days. When someone i know calls me over to fix their comp and i find overly aggressive/buggy DRM being the root cause i now recommend a fresh OS install and getting the stuff sanitized from TPB instead. At least an antivirus/antimalware solution will usually work on what you can get from a torrented file.

          I repeat what I’ve said before. When you can show me where I can purchase what I want, when I want it, and get it in a higher/similar quality than what the “free” alternatives offer….THEN you’ll see me using that solution.

          Today it’s standard practice for many to actually purchase a game legitimately but they end up installing the cracked version they downloaded from TPB since that version works better, doesn’t interfere with your computer, and loads faster. You might want to consider what incentive that provides.

          In the battle between brand name products today and cheap knock-offs the savvy consumer usually buys the brand label, despite it being more expensive. The quality is usually better. Now imagine that you had a choice between buying a BMW or a no-brand chinese knock-off – which proved to be more fuel efficient and easier to drive because the BMW came attached with factory-throttling. You think anyone would buy a beamer? It’s the same issue.

          You can say what you like about the legal issues regarding “infringement” but the fact of the matter is it’s a non-issue. Unless the alternatives become preferable due to the product quality and ease of purchase filesharing will remain an immovable constant. ESPECIALLY since there wil be no methods to stop or even slow it as long as we even have the internet and the concept of the personal computer.

    • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

      Funny, but I requested he go the open source way because i would like ot have a look at his code… and if its good enough wouldnt think twice of starting my own site where he left off.

      The US govt does not scare us in Sweden – corrupt Swedish politicians who bend to foreign paymasters/governments scare us in Sweden.
      The rest of the time we have pretty blonde, blue eyed girls to keep our mind at ease ;)

  • Username1

    This is just one guy.
    I never even heard of this site except on torrentfreak.

    One guy gives up , what difference does it make what his reasons are ?
    A reason , or no reason at all , the show goes on.

    I’ve never had a problem downloading anything at anytime I wanted it.
    And I still don’t have any problems with file sharing.

    And if I ever got sued I would make it a point to devalue their product
    in every imaginable way I could.
    And would make sure it was online in every corner on the net , so even non
    file sharers would see it and think it’s free.

  • Username1

    This is just one guy.
    I never even heard of this site except on torrentfreak.

    One guy gives up , what difference does it make what his reasons are ?
    A reason , or no reason at all , the show goes on.

    I’ve never had a problem downloading anything at anytime I wanted it.
    And I still don’t have any problems with file sharing.

    And if I ever got sued I would make it a point to devalue their product
    in every imaginable way I could.
    And would make sure it was online in every corner on the net , so even non
    file sharers would see it and think it’s free.

  • anon

    Hopefully the .p2p domain name will be finalized soon. Mean while, the site admins could always not register a domain name and just use the IP address. It’s harder to remember, but if your site is good, people will still find it.

    • Anon

      And if your site is REALLY food, ICE will find it, too. You can run and then give up, or hide and keep trying but you’ll never win an argument with reality. The reality is clear: the more you do this, the more they will clamp down. You’ll just compel an ever-tightening of internet rules and a reduction of internet privacy. While you keep stealing files and blame it all on others. Naturally.

      • http://twitter.com/ezee ezee

        How gives a crap if ICE eventually finds it?
        If you live in the UK it probably matters a little bit but if not..?
        For example I live in Sweden, I have a links site setup (I presently dont, but for the sake of this example I do) , ICE sends me a notice, I tell them to shove it, by Swedish law I am not doing anything wrong and they cannot “extradite” me or “extra anything” me.

        IF you seriously think the ever tightening internet rules is because of piracy… you need to get educated. Those rules are coming no matter what, they just need an excuse to turn the net into cable tv… that will never happen as long as guys like me are around.

        Stealing != copying.

      • Guest

        You are just a brainwashed troll.

      • anon

        They will try to find the admins, the admins will just have to get better at hiding. There are plenty of countries in the world that will not be the puppet of the US govt.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “You’ll just compel an ever-tightening of internet rules and a reduction of internet privacy.”

        Meaning in the end the only people who are able to use the internet effortlessly and efficiently will be the ones running on a darknet. Fine with me. Not so fine for John Doe who has little to no clue how basic IT works, nor any incentive to learn beyond wanting to be able to surf facebook and porn in peace.

        That aside we’ve had to learn that even the existence of murder doesn’t justify removing basic rights of privacy. If, as you say, the existence of filesharing will “compel” abolishing basic civil rights on the internet then the backlash will be huge once John Doe realizes he can’t mail his girlfriend unsurveilled without finding a friendly pirate and learning how to use encryption and anonymization..

    • Guest

      and to memorize a IPV6 address is even harder

      IPV4 FTW

  • 10111000

    The fool is not the one who asks, but the one who gives. If UK accepted such an extradition request, especially if the guy has never been in US, they would effectively sell their citizens to hostile countries. Such a government would have no right to rule anymore. In fact, if I heard my country doing the same, I’d be happy to join a movement to destroy it.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      True….. I could see Libya and other Middle Eastern countries doing this to someone who ‘dares’ to flaunt Shariah law or something similar.

      The people in the UK are stupid if they allow this.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        They did. Iran has been wailing about extradition of salman rushdie for many years. Aparently he performed an “infringement” on the trademark of The Prophet.

  • Guest

    “Yes. Being required to pay for the digital goods we want and take that were created by others for sale is serious form of tyranny. lol moron.”

    Tell your bosses that we are going to kill them all troll. At least you will be useful for something.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Kill them personally? No…. kill their businesses? Hell yes.

  • Guest

    “Yes. Being required to pay for the digital goods we want and take that were created by others for sale is serious form of tyranny. lol moron.”

    Tell your bosses that we are going to kill them all troll. At least you will be useful for something.

  • Guest

    There is one troll paid by the industry posting stupidly basically the same shit under different names. I am happy to see the industry wasting money on useless morons.

    less money for lawsuit for them!

  • Guest

    “When you don’t pay for something because you are against the corporation, the artist doesn’t get paid either.”

    Unless we send the money directly to the artist and the evil corporation of parasites is screwed. Ha! paid troll!

  • Guest

    Alternatives??

  • Junk

    The only “evil” here is the pirates that are destroying art and harming artists. You people need to get jobs and stop living off the work of others.

    • Guest

      What?? The devil is Mr. Obama. He attacks Europe and freedom. Jobs? Where? Do you think that law will help the economy?

      • Anonymous

        Try Joe Biden. Still had Obama any sense he would use one of those Iraqi Superguns fueled by Iraqi WMDs to cannon powershot VP Biden out into the Atlantic. As long as he does not poison the sharks it is a workable plan. ;-)

  • Lawrence

    I think it is sort of funny that a guy will rip off millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, worth of movies that somebody else paid to produce and call it “fun,” but the minute his $1500 server looks like it might be threatened is the moment he wants to quit ripping everybody else off and run for cover. Suddenly, when his hard-earned money is threatened, it’s just not “fun” anymore to rip off other people’s hard-earned money. Too funny, but all too true, I think. IMO, software and movie pirates are the world’s largest hypocrites, no doubt about it.

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  • Chickenfart

    This news makes me want to put a marshmallow in my bum and make a big brown marshmallow later to throw at a government building.

  • Synthetic NS

    When is the entertainment industry going to realize their “entertainment” isn’t worth what they’re charging for it?

    Hollywood has become repetitive, and it’s going to become more apparent to the brainless masses eventually… it has to.

    I honestly can’t believe the internet could possibly be censored, so that garbage like Green Lantern and the latest batch of remakes and reboots can make their money back.

    Peoples’ lives are being ruined for sharing the repetitive, done to death garbage that Americans have somehow labeled “art”. This is absolutely outrageous.

    • Friend of the People

      “repetitive, done to death garbage that Americans have somehow labeled ‘art’”

      If it’s repetitive, done to death garbage, why share it? Why do you need to watch it? Why do you even want to watch it? If Hollywood is that bad, why not just ignore them and watch indie movies? Why do you even bother with it if it’s that bad?

      • Anonymous

        Assumptions. That’s what you just made. He didn’t say he shares it, watches it, wants to watch it, bothers with it, etc. If anything, from what he said, I’d assume and find it very believable that he completely avoids Hollywood’s entertainment like a bad case of the clap. With the exception of telling others how bad and repetitive it is.

        • Friend of the People

          Alright, fair enough, but if that’s the case, I want an answer to this.

          “Peoples’ lives are being ruined for sharing the repetitive, done to death garbage that Americans have somehow labeled “art”"

          Why should the quality have anything to do with it? The way he’s saying it, it sounds like he’s using the quality of the work as a justification. He may not be a pirate himself (I agree with your logic about what he probably watches), but it still sounds like he’s using the fact that it’s from Hollywood as a justification for piracy.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t necessarily believe he means that just because it’s from Hollywood justifies piracy. I’m not a mind reader obviously and I don’t know the guy, but I’d wager a guess that he’s saying people are having their lives ruined (with enormous monetary settlements against them) over remakes/reboots, which suck.

          Like he’ saying he doesn’t get why people are downloading such crappy films (his sorta words, not mine). And then to top it off are having their lives ruined over such films. Doesn’t sound like justification exactly, more like shock. I think.

          I could be wrong and you could be right. Or vice versa. Or we could both be wrong. Possibly. Not quite sure. Maybe he’ll clarify when he has a chance. It’s always kind of hard to figure out what people mean when it’s only a paragraphs total worth of words. Easy to read too much or too little into it. Like the only thing I’m certain on, which you agree with, is he avoids Hollywood films.

        • Friend of the People

          It does suck that people are having their lives ruined over this. We may disagree about whether or not filesharing should be illegal, but we can agree that the current punishments don’t fit the crime.

          It’s fine that you went off. It’s just the internet; a great place to vent. No judgment passed. Besides, even in full rant mode, you simply don’t have the ability to use the kind of moon logic that actually annoys people. You’re too logical to annoy people.

      • jack murdock

        Its the same excuse that pirates always resort to using. “Its okay that we’re not paying for it because its so bad”

        • Anonymous

          I already pointed out to FotP, but he doesn’t appear to be a pirate at all. Based on what he said, it appears he wants absolutely nothing from Hollywood. You’re making assumptions. You know what they say about that.

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  • Englehornfosdick

    For the first time in many years I’m in the mood to put out some new music because maybe it won’t be stolen… You Pirates loved my music so much I had to stop making it and become a house painter. You can say whatever you want to justify your theft, but you are now getting some of what you deserve. Your getting off easy too. No Government will stand for what you are doing and it’s a good bet many will take a much harder line than the US. It’s been a long time coming.
    You stole from everyone, you didn’t care, you didn’t mind putting me out of work musically, and now you’re crying foul??? Good Riddance!

    • Anonymous

      Are you sure your music just wasn’t unpopular? I mean how do you know for sure pirates are the reason you’re music failed? I’m asking legitimately. And why’d you become a house painter? That seems kinda mediocre for someone with talent. You could’ve channeled your “talent” into some other field. Teaching music (in some way, shape or form).

      I mean, I’ve seen other musicians, filmmakers, writers, etc on here and other sites saying that “piracy” has helped them. They now have way more people attending their shows then before, when no one had ever heard of them. Others make more money off donations than the meager stipends they receive through other more popular means.

      And it seems to me, if the pirates loved your music so much, you could’ve performed live concerts and had huge crowds. Which earns you a decent bit of scratch. It almost sounds to me like your music failed just because of you. Not trying to pick on you. But that’s what it seems like. And rather than admit perhaps you were lacking in talent, or you went about it all wrong, or even that you were just another musician in an ocean of them (all playing similar things to one person/group or another), you’d rather blame someone else besides yourself. In this case, pirates.

    • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a5509de8970c Mikko

      pirating music isn’t theft because you do not lose anything when someone copies a song

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      What you’re saying is that you sucked so bad as an artist you couldn’t even get people to watch your gigs?

      Here’s some news for you – If, as an artist, you can assemble and entertain an audience then the money will keep rolling in. Trent Reznor earned a cool million sales in a year of a record he already gave away for free (earning, i believe, roughly 4 million dollars net) in addition to raking in cash from selling autographed copies and deluxe editions.

      If you have a fan base big enough or enthusiastic enough you make money. If you can’t assemble that sort of fan base you either have a serious marketing problem, or your music is, at best, nothing to write home about which is why people don’t come to your gigs after hearing it.

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  • Thehack3r

    Why don’t people just move to the .to domain extension. Websites such as movie2k.to is up strong, they even host the movies on stream2k – doubt they’ll get seized, and also the .to doesn’t even have a whois address – nor a private address – it’s annonymous pretty much. Also host the website in Ukraine or some country OUTSIDE of USA and EU then you’re good to go (oh and hide your IP through VPN all the time) :)

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