FBI Monitored Dotcom Raid Via Live Video Link, Secret Govt Group Involved

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This week’s hearing into the January raid against Kim Dotcom’s New Zealand mansion has turned up interesting new evidence today. Under questioning from a defense lawyer, a senior police officer has admitted that top New Zealand officers and members of the FBI watched the raid live via video link. Only adding to the intrigue is the revelation that a secret government unit were present at the pre-raid meeting.

This week Kim Dotcom, police and other officials have been giving evidence in the Auckland High Court as part of a hearing to determine what happened during the January raid on his New Zealand mansion.

By now the backdrop to the story is well-known, particularly after a video recorded during the raid was published online this week.

It largely confirmed what has been reported thus far – armed anti-terrorist officers, helicopters and significant force were all used in the pursuit of individuals alleged to have been involved in copyright infringement in the United States.

It is known that U.S. authorities had “boots on the ground” in New Zealand in pursuit of Dotcom and his associates and today that assertion was further underlined.

Under questioning from defense lawyer Guyon Foley, Detective Inspector Grant Wormald of the NZ Organized and Financial Crime Agency had to reveal how senior police officers and the FBI had received their information as the raid panned out.

“What information was coming back to your headquarters group in relation to what was happening as to progress of the raid?” Mr Foley asked.

“We received phone calls from the scene in respect to the fact that at least three of the defendants apart from Mr Dotcom have been located,” Mr Wormald said, initially stumbling over his words.

“Radio contact with officers on the ground?” Foley questioned.

Wormald said that due to the raid being carried out by the Special Tactics Group they did not have direct radio contact since STG, New Zealand’s anti-terror force, use only encrypted communications.

“Any video feed from anywhere?” Foley pushed. After another pause, Wormald said that there had indeed been live video.

“We had a video feeding back to the police station,” Wormald said.

“Really?” Foley added with a surprised tone. “From where?”

“I’m not going to discuss that,” Wormald responded.

What happened next was hidden from the media but the intrigue didn’t stop there. Detective Inspector Wormald also admitted that a secret government organization had been involved in the raid on the Dotcom mansion.

Paul Davison, QC, acting on behalf of the defense, asked Wormald if the group of people at the pre-raid meeting belonged to the Security Intelligence Service. He denied that, but refused to say exactly who they were.

“They work for the government,” he said.

On Twitter, Kim Dotcom said people should expect some big news in the coming weeks.

“The truth is coming out!” he said. “And we are just getting started.”

Watch the 3News video from the hearing here.

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edgespec

A secret government? Well, when they will be revealed (i hope they will be) it will not be secret anymore. We will know who the real criminals are.
- Anon
  
  I don’t think you know how government really works do you son ?
- Anonymous
  
  So NZ’s version of the CIA was involved. Go figure.
  
  US needs to abolish the two-party rule. Americans need to protest, riot and demand the ability to have genuine leaders in office, not the corrupt Democrats and Republicans.
  
  Let’s start a revolution. Let’s protest!
  - Nope
    
    Not possible. There is no stipulation that there can only be two political parties, this is just the minimal amount that you can waffle back and forth on to shift blame. The only way to win an election is to have a large voter-base, and most of the voters are nimrods who watch news from Murdoch-owned studios. Unless you first found and make famous a reliable, *widely accessed*, news distributor, you can bet the multimedia omnilords won’t allow you to show up in any positive light until after the puppet has been elected in and is signing rehashes of their latest bills.
    - Guest
      
      The problem is our winner take all system. If Ross Perot can get %20 of the vote, but no votes in the electoral college system, that’s a system that didn’t represent %20 of the people. It makes a third party non viable from word go, because people assume, rightly, that if they vote for someone other than a D or an R, they’ll waste their vote, and someone they agree with less might get elected. Exactly that happened in 2000, when, had the votes for Nader gone to Gore, as seems likely had Nader not been running, Gore would have won.
    - Guest
      
      Nader supporters voting for Gore wouldn’t have changed a damn thing, after all, he had more votes than Bush as it was. Him being elected President just wasn’t part of the script.
    - http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist
      
      The internet fits that description.
    - Neil
      
      Yep and that applies to almost all Western “democracies”…
  - Guest
    
    Watch “Culture in Decline” by Peter Joseph.
  - Mwhahaha
    
    Don’t riot. That’s how they make you look like a dick.
    
    Gandhi achieved plenty without resorting to throwing a brick thru any nearby windows.Also, yes, 2 party systems suck but look at the UK right now, we have 3 parties and they’re all so close when it comes to big business that it’s hard to work out who to despise the most.
    
    If America has a 3rd major party that makes a difference, it will need to be a worker orientated party such as the original Labour Party was in the UK. However in the US it would be branded communist before it got off the ground and reviled by many.
    
    What America really needs to abolish is the idea that parties raise their own campaign funds and instead have it be paid for by the govt. New rules on lobbying would be good, an alteration in how legislation is passed would help also.
    
    Simply sticking a third party in doesn’t change the fact that the great American Democracy isn’t very democratic and certainly isn’t great. I love the States, but right from the off the country has lied to itself about what it is and the population over there buy most of the lies amid self-celebration and flag waving hysteria.
    The truth is the US runs a system which breeds corruption and self interest, like most western democracies.
    
    It has people under its rule who cannot vote despite being upstanding citizens, it has a history of forgetting about habeas corpus whenever it’s convenient. Then there’s Americas wars, surveillance legislation, tax law, health & education policies, McCarthyism, Native tribes, business practices, south/central American relations or the race issue.
    
    A third party will end up looking like the first two unless the fundamental structure of American politics shifts dramatically. It’s similar in the UK.
    
    This world sucks sometimes.
    - Lauriel
      
      >> “Don’t riot. That’s how they make you look like a dick.
      
      Very well said.
    - Neil
      
      You got it right – the issue in most western countries is the funding and openess of funding to show the general population who pays for what benefits of lobbying. Some countries have this available – not easily for those un-connected – it should be paid for by the taxpayer in all local newspaper publications.
  - Neil
    
    Sorry Buddy – we don’t have one. The
    group talked about is special tactical group from the USA that is domiciled here allegedly to train our own Special Tactics Group guys. They’re being paid by our government as part of the anti-terrorism budget. The only secrecy is they’re not Kiwis.
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  It’s the Illuminati, I just know it. Finally some evidence.
  
  heh.
  - Nobody U Know
    
    Nah, it’s just some MPAA and/or RIAA folks being passed off as government officials because they don’t want anyone to know they were directly involved and to what extent. They think they played it safe and can’t be identified, but the reality is they’re utterly wrong about that.
    - http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist
      
      More likely, we’re looking at MPAA/RIAA people who ALSO have government jobs, as we saw with the US officials who are pressing this case.
- Golden55
  
  Deb: Who the fuck are you?
  Fat Nanny: Excuse me?
  Deb: Who THE FUCK are you?
  
  It’s from Dexter season 5, couldn’t find it on YT though.
Levelstar

1st
- LevelstartIsAFailure
  
  EPic fa1L 0Nc3 aG1ain
  - CSCDSASADA
    
    hurr im furrrr…st
Anonymouse

Why did they need to go into chambers this isn’t a jury trial.
- Anon
  
  Maybe the witness was giving evidence on account of anonomity, so that he wouldn’t lose a job or something similar.
  - Mwhahaha
    
    Isn’t the key word here ‘Secret’?
Gentuu

This whole thing disgusts me so much, that I dont even want to read about this anymore.
- http://twitter.com/donbvonb .
  
  Unfortunately it will always be a topic of heated debate, even after judgements are made.
Pianogamer

Illegal raid with a secret government involved… now this case IS starting to sound like a conspiracy!
- mainstream media
  
  Wait until we hear the full Demonoid story too…. tinfoil hats for everyone.
  
  Shame that it’s true.
  - Violated0
    
    You can sure say that again.
    
    It is not hard to notice that WikiLeaks including every one of its mirror sites is offline for over a week due to a totally massive DDoS attack. We also know that Demonoid also came under such a huge attack shortly before they were raided.
    
    Two big signs that the US Government is now in the DDoS business or at minimum some well funded organization that they are aware of. Let us recall that DDoS is unlawful even if Government agents do it.
    - andrew long
      
      who was that asshat from anon who turned fed?
      
      still on the payroll? xD
    - Rekrul
      
      Laws are for the little people, not those in power.
    - Mwhahaha
      
      It’s hard for a site carrying illegal content to successfully sue a Govt for DDOSing their site tho…
    - Guest
      
      @mwhahah:twitter
      
      I believe the ISP and the server host can sue the Govt. for DDoS attacking them, presuming they have any balls at least.
- Asashii
  
  illegal raid HUH, quit trying to justify, he played with bulls and bought fancie cars and got the horns, Boo-Hoo
  - Guest
    
    The judge ruled that the warrant was ILLEGAL. Therefore the raid was ILLEGAL.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly
      
      And the chain of accessories to the illegal raid goes right to the top.
      
      Just a thought, As these guys from the FBI and othr US gov agents not to mention their NZ counterparts actually sat don collectively and planned this. Surely that makes those involed guilty of conspiracy
  - teenygozer
    
    …uh, car horns?
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  Mega-Conspiracy indeed.
Anon

Sounds like a NZ special forces/ Military intelligence type training Op with a head cam live feed in place . Maybe testing out new equipment before starting more vigorous combat based trails ?

Either way well over the top IMO. All this for some copyright infringement ……scandalous indeed.
- Anonymous
  
  Colt commando’s 5.56 as primary and glocks as secondary weapons were used in the raid .NZ STG train with NZ SF all the time. Its not that surprising really that units cross train. Then SF teams train globally with other similar units.
  
  I can understand that and fully support cross training and seriously wasn’t it OVER KILL ? Its Kim Dotcom not Al Capone for gods sake !!!11!!!!
http://tehparadox.com/ tehPARADOX

Suspense and intrigue.

Can you guys imagine the irony if Hollywood decides to make a movie out of this case? You know when they stop doing movies on comic books and all.
- Guest
  
  I’m almost certain some kind of movie will be made out of this case some day, but I can practically guarantee it won’t be the MPAA producing or distributing it. In fact, they’ll probably do everything they can to shut it down and/or prevent people from being able to watch it.
  
  Such a movie would be a monument to one of their greatest failures, after all.
  - Colin Carr
    
    Of course Hollywood will make the movie. But like so many other movies based on fact, those facts will be twisted out of all recognition. Kim Dotcom will be portrayed as using anti tank weapons against the two unarmed police who politely knocked on his front door…
    - Asswort
      
      I’m looking forward to the scene where a drug-fueled Dotcom brutally rapes Swizz Beatz – who he keeps locked in his basement where he beats and rapes him every day until the brain damaged Grammy Award winning producer and rapper goes mad and starts to believe that he is in charge of Megaupload and the whole thing is a good idea.
      
      In the final scene a tearful Beatz asks why Kim had to die, the top RIAA agent simply silently puts a hand on his shoulder and pushes him into the re-education truck… I mean FREE SPEECH WAGON.
    - Guest
      
      Either that, or Dotcom will have been on the MPAA’s side, and was fighting against the government to enact stricter copyright laws. It depends if he wins or loses.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    They’ll probably cast Kim as King Kong.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    Exactly why we won’t see a Pirate Bay movie in the style of The Boat That Rocked any time soon. Maybe the guys that replace the middle men of the MPAA once they finally die out will have some interest as a historical documentary.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Smilein-Bob/100003022038508 Smilein Bob
      
      history is always written by the winners.. and that’s usually those with the most money.. just look at the history text books they pass out in schools today… full of half truths and one sided opinion… its been happening for years on end and no one ever really questions it…
- FakeElections
  
  “when they stop doing movies on comic books and all” That will never happen, they will just keep remaking them :(
- Anon
  
  I think the Secret Government Agency IS Hollywood. They were collecting stock footage for their next major action blockbuster.
noone

Amazing how many can’t read. The article shows “secret government organization” not a secret government.
- Blah
  
  @3cd8ac794a287a5a62e8672cd65357e5:disqus there’s a difference?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001947634392 Ab van Haren

Karma is a bitch … universal law # 1 … sometime i takes some time though.
Guest

I guess the MPAA/RIAA were at the pre-raid meeting.
- Guest
  
  lmao i read that as pre-PAID meeting
  - Guest
    
    They were at that too D:
- OurGovernmentsAreScrewingUs
  
  I thought you said ‘pre-paid’. Would make more sense these days.
GUEST

The MAFIAA is an aboination. Look at what they’ve done. Corrupted officials (bribed) to take part in an ILLEGAL raid.

Believing he had a button that would destroy all his harddrives. Who the f*ck comes up with this shit? Seen too many movies…The MAFIAA certainly has with their vivid imagination.
- watfordjc
  
  Obviously he has a button that launches a nuke for an atmospheric detonation, or detonates a bomb that cracks the crust and mantle and fills the house with lava.
  
  It’s a single red button, like the one the US president carries in his pocket to start a nuclear war, and you just press it once.
  
  You give the same speech to the kids as the one about dialling the emergency services, because to override involves making ten phone calls and giving several secret clearance codes.
  
  As all geeks know, Coca-Cola must always be kept away from keyboards and self-destruct buttons.
  - chronoss chiron
    
    i said sharks with frikin laser beams…….
g h

http://www.political-prostitution.com/
Guest

2 things…

1) anyone find it suspicious that the witness is slowly meandering and chosing vague wording until someone off camera coughs twice and then he coughs twice… *cough* *coaching* *cough*,

2) how much you want to bet they illegally hacked Dotcom’s security cameras without proper authorization thinking “aww, mate… they’ll never know, were too good”. Especially problematic since the only defence they would have was the warrant which has been ruled improper.
Matt Wedgwood

Merica , FUCK YEAH !
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Dongs

OH snap its nikita all over again
Anonymous

although the main people involved in the raid itself were from NZ, it was undoubtedly concocted and executed by the US under directions from the entertainment industries. very senior US politician(s) were also directly involved, giving the go-ahead after convincing NZ to carry the raid out. anyone now like to hazard a guess at who was behind the Demonoid raid? i am still totally gobsmacked though that Interpol was brought in on this and that the ploy being to ‘combat organised criminals’. i was of the opinion that organised criminals either grew something, like drugs, made something, like dvds or executed scams of some sort. whatever the commodity was, it was sold for profit. perhaps someone can enlighten me as to exactly what Demonoid was selling? i am not aware of any payment for uploading, downloading or premium accounts, so that only leaves advertising, which hardly seems like the acts of ‘organised criminals’. the people involved have been stitched up just the sameas TPB people and Kim Dotcom by those that want to carry on controlling things the way they did for decades. to lie how they have to get law enforcement agencies involved, and world wide ones at that, shows how pathetic and worried they are that their grip is weakening. the whole truth will eventually come out. i just hope it is before the world has come under the rules of a single country, a single government, controlled by a single industry. the millions that died fighting to preserve freedom may just as well not bothered. it is being destroyed every day by self-interested arse holes that should crawl away somewhere and let the world evolve without them
- http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
  
  Demonoid wasn’t even a business, despite the spin on the press release, they survived on donations.
  - Mwhahaha
    
    I know, one of the good guys.
  - Guest
    
    The pirate bay is not a business either and neither was. Obviously the MAFIA is not looking for thew supposed Pirate Bay’s million of dollar because they know there is none. It is like the weapon of mass destruction in Iraq!
Jimmy

DKC should get Micheal Moore to make this a movie. From the beginning of RIAA via the EQ curve for vinyl and the beginning of Hollywood, exposing the accounting systems they have, exposing the insidious licensing systems they have, exposing the lobbying done and laws created, exposing the huge amount of royalties not paid, exposing everything about these diabolical organizations. Naming names, Photos and showing the houses and assets these scumbags have acquired through the system they have designed over the last few decades. Bring it up to date with the attempted control of the internet via end user litigation, SOPA and TPP.
- Guest
  
  How about getting the 3 stoogies to play the role of the Special Tactics Group.
- chronoss chiron
  
  moore = obama butt buddy
- ScrewEwe2
  
  Michael Moore is an entertainer, and as such, he ain’t on our side. Even though his “Documentaries” try to show him as an American “every man” speaking on behalf of the 99%, he is part of the 1%. Michael Moore makes “Docutainment” and unfortunately, is pretty liberal with the stretching the truth at times.
  - Jon7272
    
    and where did he stretch the truth .the one on the health system absolutaly correct if your poor you die no health care cos your out of work
    - ScrewEwe2
      
      Jon, I’ve watched all of Michael Moores “documentaries over the years, and used to watch his short lived TV show. The film Manufacturing Dissent: Uncovering Michael Moore (2007) did a pretty good job of showing how Michael Moore has been telling half truths and outright lies in some of his works. His work is usually pretty entertaining but hardly can be called true documentaries, because the tradition of documentary films has been to try to stick to telling the truth, whereas Moores films could best be judged as “Edutainment” with a far left bent, just as what’s usually seen on Fox News is coming from a somewhat rightist viewpoint.
      
      Here is a Movie review of “Manufacturing Dissent: Uncovering Michael Moore” From the websiteTime Out London:
      
      Only a fool would think that Michael Moore is an exemplary documentary-maker. He’s a polemicist who’s prone to playing hard and fast with the truth for emotional and commercial effect. Nevertheless, some of the accusations in this documentary by a pair of Canadian filmmakers who initially set out to make a positive portrait, will make your eyes water, especially in the light of the recent crises at the BBC. There’s a lot of Moore-esque trailing of the big guy as they try and fail to get an interview with him during the 2004 US election campaign, but the real meat emerges from their analysis of particular episodes in his work. The staff of a bank featured in ‘Bowling for Columbine’ claim that the scenario in which Moore opens a bank account and leaves with a gun was a set-up, while, more seriously, there’s evidence that Moore did in fact interview Roger Smith of GM for ‘Roger and Me’, so negating the thrust of that film. Moore himself comes across as thoroughly unlikeable – but that’s news to nobody.
      http://www.timeout.com/film/reviews/84585/manufacturing-dissent-uncovering-michael-moore.html
      
      Just for the record I’m politically middle of the road, socially very liberal and in my personal life fiscally conservative, out of necessity. I’ve got some Libertarian leanings but wouldn’t make a good Teabagger.
      
      Personally, I feel that the Employer based health insurance system in the US is fundamentally flawed. I think that the so called “Obamacare” legislation did relatively little to address the healthcare problems we have. I wish that they would have made healthcare/insurance more like the Universal Care in other countries. All they did was make sure that the existing For Profit Health Insurance companies continue to rake in profits well into the future, corporate wellfare if you will. We will all go through potentially bankrupting health crises at some point in our lives and health insurance coverage should be a human necessity and human right, not a job related Perc. I have been a victim of pre-existing condition discrimination for well over 30 years and the fact that employer based health insurance has made it virtually impossible for me to be gainfully employed or buy private health insurance. On job interviews I was alway’s told that my resume and job experience were great, but unfortunately their health insurance would not cover me due to pre-existing conditions.
Bo

a case of overkill…
Sketch

wait a minute…..i thought only the US govt had secret organizations……are you trying to tell me the kiwi govt might also be corrupt? now thats just too much to swallow….lmao
- chronoss chiron
  
  massad mi4-5-6
  csis
  and so on…..even the plo has em
  - http://www.facebook.com/anshulrawal Anshul Rawal
    
    These are prominent ones and Secret agencies are not limited to these in each country :
    
    Mosad
    MI5
    CIA
    RAW
    KGB (in Soviet Russia) & GRU (in soviet and post soviet Russia)
    ….
    There are 106 other countries who have Secret/Intelligence agencies in the world.
https://openid.org/lulaladrao LulaLadrao

if only they used the same effort to arrest killers and rapers :) But i think money comes first
- Mwhahaha
  
  Yeah they just let that guy who shot that cinema up wander around for weeks afterwards.
  
  Oh no, they caught him pretty fucking quickly afterwards then used lots of people to ensure his property didn’t blow up.
  
  Don’t be a fucking tabloid-minded dick full of bullshit.
  - Guest
    
    The effort they put into catching the theater shooter is utterly dwarfed by the effort that was put into “catching” Kim Dotcom. LulaLudrao’s point stands.
Anonymouse

Got this from wiki

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice that serves as both a federal criminal investigative body and an internal intelligence agency (counterintelligence). Also, it is the government agency responsible for investigating crimes on Indian reservations in the United States[2] under the Major Crimes Act. The branch has investigative jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal crime.

Since when has NZ be part of the US.
- chronoss chiron
  
  so what are 280 fbi agents doing on land in canada for?
- Asashii
  
  joint effort between NZ and US, sometimes hard to deny the US when we give so much foriegn aid to most of the world, sometimes we ask for Co-operation and its given!!!!
  - MadAsASnake
    
    Attacking other countries is not “foreign aid”
    - Gae
      
      No, but giving leaders of foreign countries huge amounts of money to play with ensures when the time comes for the US to call in a favour that nobody can say no.
- Mwhahaha
  
  Read a book or two sometime and you might learn something.
  Pedantic comments by people who don’t understand how international policing works don’t aid the argument here.
  
  Five minutes on wikipedia does *not* count as research.
  
  Idiots like you make me doubt I picked the right side of this fight.
PirateSoldier

Once again U.S government is showing how BIG they can be. Pathetic
- Asashii
  
  yes millions and millions of people that dont speak german because of the US are so upset !!!!!
  - Water is cool
    
    Tell that to the millions ‘and millions and millions’ of natives who originally lived in the USA and Vietnam folk and other eastern folk, I’m sure they would tell you who thankful they are that the USA killed millions of their people. Tell that to the black people from the past who lived in the USA and lynched.
    
    USA’s government only does what they see as finantually benifiting to their country. They don’t care about the citizens who get brutally murders, raped etc. They even give murderers medals for killing the most amount of humans.
    
    Anyhow, I don’t see how relevant your comment was, how does WW2 have anything todo with curruption in the USA’s government?
    - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
      
      Everyone likes to drag out the fact that the US helped end WWII. Nobody mentions, though, how the US stayed out of it out of self interest right up until the end, when Pearl Harbor got bombed. Up until then they would have been happy to deal with the Nazi regime and could have given two shits if the rest of the world spoke German.
      
      But yeah, digression.
  - Guest
    
    What passes for the US today is not what the US once was. The country that represented an overall force for freedom and liberty is dead, if it ever existed at all.
    - Mwhahaha
      
      When was this? When they were killing the natives? Sending the unwanted back from Ellis island? Enslaving Africans? Removing the right to trial during the revolution? Declaring the black man was only 3/5′s of a person? Forbidding abortions? Forcing highschool kids to fight pointless wars in Asia? Openly beating black men in the street?
      
      When exactly was the US this paragon of freedom and liberty?
  - Mwhahaha
    
    And all Jews who hit the showers before the Pearl Harbour are still dead.
    
    The US ain’t all that. The selfish wars it starts, its gun policy, immigration policy, education policy and health policy all kill people in their own ways.
    
    The patriot act restricts freedoms and increases surveillance, the religious right and the Tea Party want to restrict other freedoms, the US still holds people without trial.
    - Guest
      
      HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THE USA ISN’T THE FREEST COUNTRY ON EARTH!
      
      *sends Mwhahaha to Gitmo*
Violated0

I am not at all surprised by this and after what I have read recently the United States Government and more is about to get a lot of verbal abuse from me. A rare day indeed when I usually believe in fairness and respect.

So it has become clear that the US Administration has been doing wire-tapping as standard with no Court order granting them approval to do. That is without question unlawful and a major violation of the Bill of Rights. Congress certainly made a law saying that all wire-tapping must be done by Court order.

All well and nice but those retarded assholes in Congress FAILED to tick the box denying the Administration from declaring sovereign immunity. That means the FBI can unlawfully wire-tap your home for any reason they want and you cant sue them for this Bill of Rights violation. Even if they had wanted you to sue them then Congress stated NO PUNISHMENT for breaking their law.

So the day is at hand when the Government can spy on you in your bedroom and bathroom should they want to. It seems that 1984 and Catch 22 are but one day away. The Government should be fearing the people and not the other way around.

I have said it before and I will say it again but anyone who works against the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, the very foundations of American life, has no place calling themselves a US Citizen or pro-American. And for the US Administration to do this including the FBI makes them TRAITORS to the US public and the American way of life.

I am very mad here. I am someone who much welcomed Obama after the previous Presidency turned out to be a fucking disaster involving many cooked Muslims. I well recall how Obama early on promised us all how he would respect the law. It clear to see what a lying bastard he was spinning fairytales. He of course could fix these issues but no.

Dear Robert S. Mueller III head traitor in the FBI. KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF OR FEEL MY WRATH! Prez.

I can tell you if I had Obama’s job that heads would roll. Instead I sit here growing more and concerned as each day passes with what the US Administration are up to when they seem to have little regard to public rights. Instead you are only numbers to be monitored, tracked, compiled and analysed.

The United States is a nice country with friendly people but what goes on in Washington DC does much worries me. Here I have only only touched on one point out of many. Anyone with any sense would not use US hosting or webmail at all.

I can already tell you what happened to Kim Dotcom when they invaded his computers, they broke into his Skype calls, they tapped his phone lines, and they did indeed watch this raid live on Kim’s own CCTV system. You would also be shitting out gold bars long before you would find a Court Order approving any of this.
- http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
  
  Agreed on almost everything. I still think that Obama is better than McCain would have been but I’m getting seriously incensed at the guy for rolling over for Hollywood so much.
  
  It’s about time that we BANNED contributions to politicians from businesses totally. They are NOT American citizens, though sometimes they are run by American citizens.
  
  Only donations from private actual American citizens.
  - Fantastic
    
    His Executive Orders that look to be enforcing the internet censorship legislation that was defeated and the Orders that look to be allowing the snooping into our private electronic information from the “Cyber Security” bill that was also defeated are increasingly unsettling. Very much agreed on the banning of contributions from groups and and putting very tight restrictions on personal donations.
    - http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist
      
      Then they’ll just be under the table and secret again, like in the old days. You can’t stamp out corruption by passing laws against it; it is by it’s very nature something that sidesteps and generally avoids the law.
      
      But on the other hand, as our democracy in the US exists, the only way to get elected is to get the financial support of some major money groups- be it Hollywood, be it the Koch brothers, Murdoch Inc., or labor unions. And of course, no politician who gets elected twice will refuse to dance with the girl that brung ‘em. So removing that neccessity would be good.
      
      The most elegant way to do that, in my opinion, would be to enact strict and rigid term limits for ALL high elected offices- senators and congressmen.
  - Hmm234
    
    its all legal, afterall thats why banks have to pay bonuses to their employees. then the employees go to banquets and buy 2k tickets from their x00k+ bonuses, as the highest allowed sum a single person can contribute.
  - ScrewEwe2
    
    That’s a nice idea Christopher, but as long as the people who recieve the donations write the rules and make the laws, nothing will change. This will probably be the first time in my adult life that I won’t cast a Presidential vote for an actual candidate. Still thinking of doing a write in vote for Clinton, George Clinton PFD.
    - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
      
      Wrong, ScrewEwe2. There IS a method where a law, written by the public, can be forced to be voted on in the United States. It’s just exceedingly rarely used but today? Time to use it.
    - Monster
      
      I have the same stance. This will be the first time I haven’t voted since I turned 18. It doesn’t matter anymore..they are all liars & have their own agendas. Once they get into office they do what ever the fuck they want. we need to organize a 10 million man armed march!. March on the white house and execute all these fucking liars.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    Rolling over is only the half of it. Obama’s administration has also used the Espionage Act to persecute whistleblowers, and has done so 6 times while in office, which is double the amount it’s ever been used before in the entire history of the United States.
- Ghost
  
  Never a truer word spoken! Politicians are for all intents and purposes Professional Liars – that is what the job boils down too. A politician does not know what is best for you or the country nor do they care. The ones at the top of the heap are there to line their pockets only, the ones at the bottom are trying to get to the top. If the bank accounts and assets were open to public scrutiny things would be slightly different. A wonderful system built by and made for the ruling elite class.
  - http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell
    
    I agree that they don’t know what is ‘best for the country’ because on almost all things, that is a matter of viewpoint.
    
    However, there are some things that the weight of the majority should make our officials say “Hey, maybe we had better go with this or risk being removed…. by force!”
    
    Yes, that is a reasonable and legitimate thing there, the ‘by force’. Our Founders specifically said that it was a reasonable and legitimate thing.
- Jimbo
  
  Obama is up to his neck in all this as well, so why would he even bollock anyone, let alone ‘make heads roll’? how much contribution did he get from the industries last time? how much will he get this time? all it’s about is staying in charge, regardless of how that is achieved. i really never could understand why every government just about is siding with those industries. i have even less understanding now of why international law enforcement are doing the same. consider the serious problems we have worldwide and now explain why all those problems, terrorism, threat of nuclear war, famine, further global financial meltdown, global warming, floods and they all pale to the despicable crime of FILE SHARING. so strange!
- Ophelia Millais
  
  I think you meant crooked, not cooked. :)
  - Violated0
    
    No I do mean “cooked” as in the Americans dropping bombs on them followed by explosions, fire, screaming and dying.
    
    During Gulf War 2 I did have some American bombers fly over my house when early on the UK was the closest country that would allow them to fly from. It seems likely that they bombed the Iraqi troops. These heavy bombers soon relocated to launching from somewhere in the Gulf region I recall.
    - Ophelia Millais
      
      Heh, OK :)
- Mwhahaha
  
  The Obama thing is a tricky one, cos he’s been a major let down for liberals, but Romney could possibly be the man who ended up pressing The Button, so what can you do?
  
  The devil you know or the weirdo-mormon-tax-fiddling-lying-stupid bastard you don’t?
  - Violated0
    
    The problem is in how the American political system is structured allowing you to tolerate failure in your leader. They get their 4 to 8 years and they can be as good or as bad as they want to be when they only need to avoid impeachment.
    
    The political system in the UK is very different when we don’t directly elect our country’s leader when we instead elect politicians who form parties and who vote in their own party leader. We of course know who will become Prime Minister before voting when they are the leader of the political party that you vote in the local politician of depending on majority rule.
    
    This is the key difference when since the party voted for him or her to be their leader then so can they easily replace this leader should they believe that another elected party member can do a better job.
    
    What this means is that failure in the PM and their cabinet members is not tolerated when in fact members on both side of the house are actively trying to provoke them to fail. That sure keeps them on their toes when their job could be taken by someone better at any time.
    
    So that is the flaw in the US political system.
Tronix-man1

maybe the secret sect is the muppets with bullywood with their arms up their ar-s-es someone with money and power is pulling the strings
http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

The more that comes out here, the more I am enraged. It appears that this was not about ‘getting a criminal’ but paying back Hollywood for something.
- Guest
  
  Yeah I agree, more like Hollywood said “its election this year and if you want us to finance your multi million campiagn then you better send in the boys to take down Kim down and if you don’t take him down then we will not finance your campaign funds.”
  - Guest
    
    SOPA/PIPA failed in January. Hollywood raged. Obama had major Hollywood fund raising scheduled for February, March, and April. Megaupload raid happened a day or so after the SOPA/PIPA protest. You do the math.
- Asashii
  
  Hollywood is liberal, Obama is liberal. do the easy math
  - Guest
    
    Obama is just a puppet on a string by Hollywood that paid him.
  - Guest
    
    If you think Obama is liberal, that only means his PR is working.
chronoss chiron

lets all send rotten eggs to USA and new zealand
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Anon

Let’s hope this is a watershed moment. The way media piracy has corrupted a brilliant global network into “we can get free movies and stuff if we hide!” is one of the repeating sad lessons of human nature. There will always be a thief to f*ck up something great that others built. It’s a part of all of history. You should read it to better understand where we are in the process.

There will be no “rights” distinction between tangible and intangible goods except for fair use and other crucial rights of public access. But barring those, intellectual property has value and price as any other, and will have, and pirates will either see this as the way things really are, or they won’t and thus continue to compel the greatest crackdown since Soviet Russia, except this time it’s going global. Kim Dotcom is an empty, bs posterboy. An easy mark with a previous record, but he’ll mark the precedent just fine. Government is getting started now. Pirates? You f*cked up.
- Anon
  
  Pirates? nope. the avg. person will feel the major pain of the laws/precedents that will be put in place to fight the “pirates” even tho it will do nothing in the overall picture.
  
  if they want to stop piracy they would have to cut all the cables and kill all the networks. (not going to happen since just about every gov. needs it for something or another.)
  
  even then I wouldn’t be shocked to see a homebrew wi-fi type internet to pop up and branch into a near by country to get back to the internet.
  - http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole
    
    wireless mesh networks. Already on the way. see: pirate box.
- Gear Mentation
  
  The problem with this analysis is that all the power is in the hands of the culture, that is those who claim the right to share our culture freely. Because we CAN hide, the dynamic has changed. It’s a new world. Also, you are being anti-democratic. The people have spoken relative to whether they agree with current copyright law. Trying to brand much of the world as thieves is merely to say that the law on thievery needs to be changed.
  - Anon
    
    “Because we CAN hide, the dynamic has changed.”
    
    wow.
    What a misguided, boneheaded notion. You appear to be saying “you can’t stop me” to the very society that elects the governments that have decided to return a price where value lies, regardless of your precious “privacies”. You appear to be openly daring them to license VPN’s, encryption, BPI if that is what takes in your scenario, talk about living in 2002. Keep daring government to take away your tools as you invent them and then abuse them, you idiot. It’s like speeding on the highway and daring government to take steps to slow you down. Are you another entitled fool?
    
    yeah. you are.
    Pirates are damaged. And stupid in the face of reality. This is pretty good evidence.
    - Gear Mentation
      
      What we, the 99.99% now know to question is whether the laws which support large corporations are laws which actually deserve the name “democratic.” We know they don’t. We the people did not really make them. We just didn’t rise up strenuously enough when corporations placed those laws on our shoulders. You who defend the .01% and corporations better hope the economy continues to limp along in spite of your attempts to bleed your consumer base dry, or else we WILL rise up, empowered by that very communication system which you are now attempting to take from us.
    - MadAsASnake
      
      Not bone headed. Many countries actually have laws or constitutions preventing the passing of laws that would
      a.) criminalise most of the population – or -
      b.) be unenforceable
      SOPA / PIPA etc would probably fail both those tests, as is the DEA and HADOPI. This is why wheels aren’t under patent and no-one charges us for air.
    - Bert
      
      As the Great Max Keiser has predicted, the Price Level of ‘Pap’ media is going to zero, no doubt about it :) I dont think that the Cesspit of Corruption that the USG has become will change that, it is after all a function of the ‘Market’ and is that not Still the Chief Deity of the USA ?
    - Guest
      
      @Anon:twitter
      
      You obviously live in a fantasy world where laws can never be changed and regimes never overthrown.
      
      The annihilation of SOPA and PIPA was just the start, Anon.
      
      Pass that message on to your paymasters.
- ScrewEwe2
  
  “Kim Dotcom is an empty, bs posterboy.” He looks pretty damn full to me.
  or
  No, he just be bigboned and what not, you know
  Good luck bigboned dude.
- Guest
  
  The Pirate Party is getting started now. Government? You fucked up.
- redacted
  
  It’s truly depressing that people actually believe the kind of sophistry and superficial thinking propagated by mr. Anon here.
  
  Such lazy, limited thinking.
Rusty Shackelford

This case is sounding better and better for Dotcom, his associates, and MegaUpload.
Gear Mentation

Kim is starting to be not just a hero in the fight against the MAFIAA, but a hero of democracy as well.
- http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater
  
  Piracy is not democracy, it’s anarchy.
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis
    
    Uh really? didn’t the film industry found it self on piracy decades ago? now they have a hand in government politics. on top of that, there is a “pirate” party striving to equalize and remove loop holes in software patents and other broken laws.
    
    seems to be democracy to me.
  - Guest
    
    Yawn whatever. No proof of that whatsoever!
  - JordanKratz
    
    I fully support KD and will never allow MAFIAA a way into my wallet.
  - tonyj
    
    don’t know about that, the anonymous pirates seem pretty efficient and organized on the net. It’s all about the democracy of digital content, if people don’t want their copyrighted material pirated, don’t put it on the fucken net. There are other options like hard bound books or software dedicated to specific hardware, they need to find a medium or solution other than the net, because the bandwidth belongs to the people not to corporations.
  - Fredrika
    
    > “Piracy is not democracy, it’s anarchy.”
    
    Most people studied history in elementary school, and most understood it as well. Had you done both, and also remembered it, you should know that if there is one thing that has stood out as something that always goes hand in hand with democracy in action, it would be the disobedience of illegitimate legislation, such as the non-profit parts of today’s copyright monopoly, so piracy is indeed something which could be called the equivalent of democracy.
    
    Acting according to the free market rules and disregarding an illegitimate legislative monopoly’s intrusion into one’s property however, a monopoly that regulates manufacturing and distribution of luxury items, through civil law, that most certainly isn’t something which can be called anarchy, at least not according to any of the known meanings of the word. You see, the mere fact that something happens to be unlawful doesn’t automatically make it anarchy. if so you yourself would be an anarchist, because as you have openly admitted, you violate laws all the time, whenever you feel like it.
    
    But you often seem to completely lack such fundamental basic knowledge which most people usually both learn and remember from history, civics and social studies in elementary school.
  - Guest
    
    And SWAT teams descending upon someone’s house out of nowhere, with monitoring by a non-local investigative group, is democracy?
    
    Aw, Nej is all butthurt because he can’t find anything incriminating to say! Don’t worry, your industry daddy Pelouzey will be there to make it all better.
ZengaFooo

Do you think the US will EVER start minding its own busienss and deal with its own problems.

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foff

So where is this leading? Other than the fact that the New Zealand police and special forces made total asses of themselves and showed how incompetent they are because they could not appropriately asses a threat.

The whole raid was orchestrated by the US, They knew no force was required but used this raid as a pr and intimidation factor. Look how many cyber pussy lockers closed up quickly without even so much as a threat.

Look at the demonoid situation. We clearly have government guerilla warefare going on here. First the site is massively ddos’ed for no reason. Then Ukraine government for no reason takes an interest (the excuse of someone visiting the states is pure bullshit) then the rumors of Mexican arrests which cannot be proven.

So what we have here is another intimidation stunt. Indirectly the US is saying to other torrent sites look what we did to demoniod you might be next. Time will tell how many other sites feel the intimidation and close shop in the next few weeks.

Like all wars this won’t last. Once they think the torrent sites and cyber lockers are decimated they will turn their attention to other things and the sharing community will also find other perhaps less decentralized ways of sharing, but certainly we will rebuild and continue sharing. One temporary fall out is that the internet may see a large temporary decline in internet traffic and this will affect all the companies that rely on internet traffic for revenue. I, for one am already reducing the time I spend on the net significantly.
- WasterOfTime
  
  They’re mobsters. Simple enough.
  
  Let’s mob them. They won’t expect mobs from pirates; after all, we didn’t expect the mob to pirate stuff themselves.
- Guest
  
  Look at how successful their war on some harmless plant has been.
  And they’re still wasting trillions yearly to keep it going.
  - WasterOfTime
    
    Just like every rich person. They hate efficiency, and the fact that the common person has more common sense than they do.
    
    Everytime I hear what these MAFIAA fools are up to, along with Corporate America’s government logic and “ideology”; this guy keeps coming to mind. I want to make this their permanent avatar.
JordanKratz

Fuck this Government and Fuck the whole Big Content Industry !
My USA is not the USA we used to be.We are not a shining beacon of hope but a shining flashlight of the police powers.
We have a Corrupt Leadership and I for one would love to see it fall.
- Vincent Giannell
  
  You’ll be arrested for treason if those guys read this.
  - LiveFreely
    
    Anti-Corruption = Treason?
    
    Decent is patriotic, it is one of the highest forms of true patriotism. Even the most corrupt politician will agree, or at least claim to.
Guest

Why use encrypted radio?
Why need supervision from the US?

They called it a low risk operation, it’s not a dictator or an arms dealer or a drug lord, it’s a guy in a mansion.

So why all the secrecy and US involvement?
They must have had something to hide.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some new wikileak about the US placing fake evidence at his mansion or something else later.
- Kiwi1956xx66
  
  My guess is that the secret video feed that the senior police inspector would not give any details of was live video from USA spy satellites, looking down on the Dotcom Mansion.
  
  The USA has provided NZ Police satellite footage of NZ crime scenes in the past to help with investigations on the condition they are never discussed or release to the public. Take google maps aerial view, times by 1000 and make it a live video feed. I speculate that is what the secret video was and why the NZ Judge allowed the information to be suppressed from the public, due to USA national security interests. If the NZ Police had head mounted cameras during the raid with NZ’s own technology the judge would probably not allow it to be suppressed.
tonyj

FBI are just a bunch of friggin ass clowns at this point. They were all tripping over themselves to score a couple of brownie points do what ultimately? Bring down a company?

This is a case of career guys at the FBI needing a couple of feathers in their cap to upgrade their pay scale and position, and that my friend is the problem of unsupervised actors motivated by political pressure to do the unreasonable.

You’d think there would be some form of review or system of accountability in the planning stages of the raid. I can just imagine there were a couple of FBI guys and analyst that timidly raised their hands among those principles that advocated a less aggressive route.

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zapangadan

I guess they just discovered his wife is Elasti-girl. She’d have to be. My friend is like Plastic-Man because his girlfriend is 300 pounds.
http://www.facebook.com/egnyquist Erik G. Nyquist

You know, Dotcom is not a sympathetic figure. I mean, his lifestyle and flamboyant excesses mirror that of drug lords and high-profile criminals of that nature. And yet, of course, he really wasn’t one of the ones of that nature.

The irony I find truly hilarious is that, as sleazy as Dotcom is, the people who organized and executed his take-down are only coming across as even sleazier, to the degree that this fiasco has become something of a national embarrassment to NZ’s government.

I wonder if at the end of this, a lesson will be learned by all about the dangers ignoring government corruption?
http://profile.yahoo.com/WEAZH57IFGIMBPWKBPHD6CU7EA laura p

its the illuminati shadow government who worship the beast and basically control everything going on these days and before.they are the real threat to the entire world and must be taken care of by ANY MEANS NECESSARY! they are responsable for the aurora shootings and trayvon martin so they can try and take away our right to bare arms which was giving to us so that we the people can fight back against tyranny.
Pinky Robinson

What happened next was hidden from the media but the intrigue didn’t stop there. Detective Inspector Wormald also admitted that a secret government organization had been involved in the raid on the Dotcom mansion.
Pinky Robinson

What happened next was hidden from the media but the intrigue didn’t stop there. Detective Inspector Wormald also admitted that a secret government organization had been involved in the raid on the Dotcom mansion.

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Only adding to the intrigue is the revelation that a secret government unit were present at the pre-raid meeting.
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