File-Sharers Protected Under Proposed EU Legislation
Written by enigmax on November 05, 2009European Internet users accused of illicit file-sharing will not be disconnected on the whims of the entertainment industries. After an all night session European Union lawmakers agreed on a compromise text. Those accused will be entitled to a “fair and impartial” procedure, which will include the right to be heard.
Last night a committee comprised of EU government representatives, Members of the European Parliament and the European Commission settled their differences, which will now lead to a vote on acceptance of the controversial EU Telecoms Reform Package, aimed at boosting competition.
With a vote of 407 in favor, 57 against, with 171 abstentions, EU lawmakers sent the package back to the Council in May, due to concerns that Internet users would not have their rights sufficiently protected.
After all night negotiations the deadlock was broken after a compromise agreement was reached. Internet users in all 27 EU states will be entitled to be put through a “fair and impartial procedure” (although what that means exactly is far from clear), including the right to be heard in response to allegations before being subjected to the ultimate sanction – disconnection.
Christian Engström of The Pirate Party helped to shape the modified text that was accepted in a unanimous vote last night.
“The Telecoms Reform Package neither demands nor prohibits the implementation of three-strikes legislation to disconnect alleged file-sharers by member states,” Engström told TorrentFreak, adding that if they do implement such measures, they will have to be within the parameters of the directive.
As reported by Engström, the exact text reads:
3a. Measures taken by Member States regarding end-users’ access to or use of services and applications through electronic communications networks shall respect the fundamental rights and freedoms of natural persons, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and general principles of Community law.
Any of these measures regarding end-user’s access to or use of services and applications through electronic communications networks liable to restrict those fundamental rights or freedoms may only be imposed if they are appropriate, proportionate and necessary within a democratic society, and their implementation shall be subject to adequate procedural safeguards in conformity with the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and with general principles of Community law, including effective judicial protection and due process.
Accordingly, these measures may only be taken with due respect for the principle of presumption of innocence and the right to privacy. A prior fair and impartial procedure shall be guaranteed, including the right to be heard of the person or persons concerned, subject to the need for appropriate conditions and procedural arrangements in duly substantiated cases of urgency in conformity with European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
The right to an effective and timely judicial review shall be guaranteed.
Engström said the vote for the text was a positive surprise as he thought this agreement would never happen. Although in an ideal world it is not everything he could have hoped for, it is a big step in the right direction.
“We would never have been able to achieve this without all the work that the community of net activists has put in,” he further notes. “We have shown that ordinary citizens working together can make a difference. And this is only the beginning. The Internet community has begun to flex its muscles.”
Engström told TorrentFreak that although he is happy with the outcome, there are still many battles to be fought. “Nobody should be disconnected from the Internet in an open and free society,” he said.
The European Parliament and Council is due to make a decision on the Telecoms Reform Package in late November, with the laws coming into force early 2010. Member countries will then have 18 months to pass the legislation into their own national laws.
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“Christian Engström of The Pirate Party helped to shape the modified text that was accepted in a unanimous vote last night. ”
Where are all those nay sayers that said one seat wouldnt do anything?
Also, what does this mean with regards to France?
more pro-piracy pro-theft pseudo communist bullshit from the thieving kids
@2 Shut up you f.ucking troll
#2
Even ‘thieving kinds’ deserve a fair trial.
Everyone deserves a fair trial. According to the Western principles of justice, no-one can be categorized as a thief/criminal/whatever until proven so in a court of law. This is also called bullshit by some.
@3 If you know he’s a troll why are you feeding him?
Mike’s entitled to his opinion, even if he did say the exact same thing in several comments so far ;)
…so let’s just move on now
thanks
Nov 05, 2009 at 16:35 by Mike Kent
more pro-piracy pro-theft pseudo communist bullshit from the thieving kids
Frame it how you like mike.
Is the capitalist method better!
Where everyone becomes a millionare & lives happly ever after.
Oh yes i see it now.
Sorry i will never d/l BINARY code ever again.
Instead i will infiltrate a small african country,Rape it’s wealth & when i’m done i will leave them to fight over what is left.
If they don’t want me in their country i will fuck their economy then send in the IMF so they sell their soul,Failing that maybe a regime change.
We arn’t kids,We are the future….
good, putting some limitations on how outlandish governments can try and be with passing legislation. Nice to see they have the right idea.
This is gonna be funny in France. They’re going to disconnect people / people go complain at the European Union.
Then what? Anyone has any idea how this is gonna play in France with their shitty hadopi?
Good to hear, I wonder wat rule of law will apply to those nations in the EU w/c are part of ACTA negotiations b/c ACTA goes completely against the above resolution….
It’s not perfect but it’s far better than what we would had gotten if it wasn’t for the excellent work of The Pirate Party’s Christian Engström!
// A pround member of Piratpartiet
@2
i bet you did never lived in a (pseudo)-’communist’ country and have never met a pseudo)-or-other-’communist’, and your understanding of this subject matter is just ZERO
@10
The chance that the Hadopi will go through in France, gets way smaller. – On the long run, more laws will come to make illegal downloading impossible, though. When and how this might really work… no one knows.
Succesfull troll is succesfull.
Number two, Mike Kunt,
Maybe you should move to North Korea, thereby you won’t have to deal with pesky things like ‘fair trials’ and ‘human rights’.
Guilty until proven innocent… no wait, never mind, just guilty. Sprechen zie Deutch?
Sounds like good news but the pessimist inside me believes the UK Government will not give two hoots about this. They will do what they have always done, ignore it just like they did the human rights ruling on DNA records!
sorry this was not @10 but @9
anyway, giving it another thought,how to disconnect peple from th net: i guess it is merely impossible. one would need to disconnect them from telephone as well… (which is another fundamental right nowadways…)
Another fail from Mike Kent..
What everyone needs to remember.. is that research and time has proven that comments like that in any environment usually has the opposite effect.
So Cheers!
@2
*agrees with #3* yeah, dumb.ass.
I don’t see where’s that a victory in any kind.
Nobody officially proved that online sharing was affecting sales; and yet people see as positive to send people to a trial for filesharing, while no one demonstrated this was affecting saled (i.e. was equivalent to buying illicit material off the streets).
Thanks a lot pirate party, you learn fast politician politics, and you saw the best way was to act as lobbies want.
This is utter cr4p to say the least.
What I wonder about is the 171 abstentions. That’s an awful lot of them. Have to wonder why.
sales*
Also, Mike Kent, read about communism, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Communism is appropriation of the production tools by the state, with everything plannified. Tell us what it has to do with sharing bytes.
@Mike Kent,
Engström is 49 years old. Does that qualify as a “kid” in your delusional opinion?
Wake up already.
Mike Troll LOL you have no idea what you’re talking about!
Communism is about enforcing people and no fair trials. Communism is about unfair legislation that OPPRESSES people.
Sounds something like what YOU want.
Thank you for calling me a kid.
It’s been a long time. :D
However, anyone accused of doing something ‘illegal’ deserves an opportunity to explain/defend themselves. Access to the internet is a right that should not be taken away lightly.
@24… no, that is not what Communism is about. Stalinism/Maosim perhaps, but not Communism.
@ 13 Nov 05, 2009 at 17:38 by koko
@10
The chance that the Hadopi will go through in France, gets way smaller. – On the long run, more laws will come to make illegal downloading impossible, though. When and how this might really work… no one knows.
Perhaps this is the idea of Australia’s isp’s which the shirty govt wanted to put a block on the net making it 97% slower than it already is for them. At that rate, I say fuk dis sht and move the hell away or just use some work around.
The only way a disconnection from the internet could be feasibly possible is if the gov’t banned you from all electronic devices (phones, Nintendo things that connect to wifi, wifi connection devices, probably your vehicle as it may be hooked up to the internet, your phone, your friends house, your neighbor, a sate light dish, 3g devices, wimax devices, probably your gaming system, your electronic weather reader, probably more items just for being kicked off the net.
Wow I guess the mafia and New World Order govt is really against people communicating or technology itself but we already knew that….
Even if the court banned for a repeat copy inf ringer all of the above, I guess you would just have to move to the place where maybe no one would be around you that had any of these items so you would be in compliance.
Maybe they have like a black book of names that they are thinking about distributing to all of the isp’s on who can be a customer and who can not. If that’s the case, no problem as many people have many friends who are willing to give a helping hand to a person in need. I myself have 3 internet connections. If you count my seed boxes, I guess maybe you can say that I have 8 internet connections. They are located in different countries so just because I can’t get on the net in one country, no problem as for my stuff can be still distributed and accessed from different countries. If the mafia decides to censor me, I guess they will just have to take down many countries in some kind of tactical military strike on multiple locations which still wouldn’t do any good as for their are fronts and backups. Even if I was to die today, my content & shared files would still be shared forever as for I have them on a permanent server for the duration of the service. If the service ever goes down such as is bought out, it will also be backed up and set up under a new addresse all without me even being involved.
Cartels can go to hell. I guess money can’t buy you happiness as they have found out. Bribing politicians, lawmakers, judges, police, air force, news, etc didn’t get them far at all. Ever since their initial assault on file sharing, it has only grown. I guess they haven’ cough on yet.
Here is the deal. If we wanted our fukin internet censored, we would censor it ourselves meaning we wouldn’t have put the content on there in the first place.
I tell you what. I will make a deal. For every thing that I notice that is censored shortly after I get it or while I am trying to get it (mininova :torrent not found although I copied & pasted the url in to my seedbox & it downloaded till the link was removed) I will make sure that I make available or re-distribute that censored item. I will decide if I would like to make a permanent copy on the internet, not you. Being that the mafia didn’t want it to be available and had it removed, it will now be available for a lifetime rather than till whenever the file stops being shared. So actually the cartel didn’t stop nothing, they just ensured that it was more avalable.
Fkk copyright & fkk the cartels!
File sharer 4 ever!
The UK single handedly had the bill amended to remove the section that guaranteed everyone a basic right to access the internet. The reason for the amendment was precisely due to Mandy’s desire to implement a 3 strikes policy in the UK, using France as the working model.
Far from protecting filesharers, the Telecoms bill does fook all to protect filesharers, thanks to the UK and France.
Sahme on you TF for your BBC style spin.
Notice how they said Natural persons
“the fundamental rights and freedoms of natural persons”
That is a VERY important word!
If you look at your drivers license/ID you should take notice of your name in UPPER CASE. That is called your Strawman and is NOT a NATURAL PERSON. This is how they bypass laws because they get YOU to accept being an artificial person and by such statues(fake peoples laws) apply.
So they can say they want to protect the natural people and all the while still screw you over cause you accepted being an artificial person over a natural without any thought cause it looks like your name!
If you dont believe me I encourage you to google this for further information and i am sure you will come to the same conclusions as i have.
@29
Whether you like it or not, whether it affects sales or not, sharing copyright works is ALREADY illegal. A vote for a fair trial for those accused is better than arbitrary cartel disconnection action. Nothing better was on the table, this was the best deal available
Sorry, not 29, @rawr
This is a victory, as mild as it may seem this is truly a great day for all file sharers, whether legitimate or illicit. Unfortunately, now comes the part where the courts will have to start deciding on an open internet for everyone or a more closed off internet where everything is regulated.
And how can it be regulated? Domain names being sanctioned, IP address assignments, outlawing proxy servers and various other things. The war is not over but we have won this battle.
Hey guys I think that the tracker for Demonoid is up and running. I had a file that was being tracked by Demonoid, and yesterday it became active. Here’s a link (it is one of their older trackers but it is working.
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/PBS-Nature-Land-of-the-Falling-Lakes-2004-HDTV-SoS/37835e5bd343173a5daf065611dc46822e69b2e16565
@27
“… The only way a disconnection from the internet could be feasibly possible is if the gov’t banned you from all electronic devices (phones, Nintendo things that connect to wifi, wifi connection devices, probably your vehicle as it may be hooked up to the internet, your phone, your friends house, your neighbor, a sate light dish, 3g devices, wimax devices, probably your gaming system, your electronic weather reader, probably more items just for being kicked off the net.”
exactely, what i think. and one would loose a login at the local library, and at the university, and at work… and isps would need to keep up with a blacklist, and this blacklist would need to be revised by some legal authority in each country…
in the end, it is some kind of imprisonment, to cut somebody entirely off… and what if the blacklist would go into millions? who can control all this? who is going to pay for it? people working via the inet would loose their job, could not book their tickets, buy things via the inet, even no hollywood-DVDs ;), no itunes, no videostream and TV at home… meaning that all the industries loose customers…
and after all that cut-off-hassle (for the fun of the hypothesis) i still could go to my neighbor or my girlfriend to download a few torrents (this time f.e. via a vpn or proxy)…
although my DUTCH government would never implant a three-strikes it is good that you have the right to defend yourself, even if you shared with greed!
share-
it’s faire
@2
Who are you?
What do you want?
Where are you going?
Who do you serve and who do you trust?
Yes i did copy/pasted the above…
And adding “What is your purpose ?”
““fair and impartial procedure” (although what that means exactly is far from clear), ”
how so ? do we not have the transcripts of the debates giving the true meaning of the legislation ?
we need these, and should be referencing them in all dealings, to make it clear to the distractors and weasels that will try and PR it Phorm style, to their profit before innocence at any price.
heres the memo
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/491&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
but i cant find the meaning of the above written down as yet.
viviane [Commissioner] Reding is a cool bird when you realise she has done far more to fight for your privacy rights than anyone else in the EU.
remember it was her after https://nodpi.org/ activists worked and continue to work hard, and later informed her office (about the Phorm/BT illegal interception inaction/problems) that are taking the UK Govt to the EU high court for not implimenting the EU directives properly by christmas 2009 unless they put it right before them.
This is a small progress, but some progress and is far away from what people want.
Politicians will abuse the law if society don’t have strong ways to keep an eye on them.
Part of the guilty is from society, we weren’t looking.
@1 Nov 05, 2009 at 16:21 by http://www.eZee.se:
Don’t be naive. One seat does nothing to change the status quo and although technically he helped the weight of that help was insignificant and we should do more to put more people there, but more importantly we should always question what they are doing, challenge them and ask for answers or they will just be another political party. Just electing people doesn’t cut it, society needs watchers to catch wrong things going into the mix.
@5
Wasn’t the Swedish court’s ruling on the Piratebay 4 enough proof for you, that people who pirate are criminals?
@ 20 Nov 05, 2009 at 18:17 by hmmm
You have a point. However, it is easier to get a victory when you are actually heard. Changes come one step at a time, there will be a time when they will see that it’s a mistake to support a dying behemoth of an industry in spite of the people.
Mike surely has a problem. In communism all ideas belong to the state. Nobody sane here ever said the artists and even MAFIAA idiots shouldn’t get their money. As it has been pointed out ad nauseum, the industry is failing to evolve.
“Don’t be naive. One seat does nothing to change the status quo and although technically he helped the weight of that help was insignificant and we should do more to put more people there…”
sure but its two seats now rememeber, every one counts…
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-second-seat-in-european-parliament-091104/
“With the Lisbon Treaty being signed by all European Union member states, the Pirate Party has gained another seat in the European Parliament. The second Pirate Party seat will be occupied by the 22 year old Amelia Andersdotter, who will become the youngest Member of the European Parliament.
“
Once again, the EU demonstrates that they have all the moral conscience of Dr Frankenstein. All they talk about is the “end users.” How about the corporations that give us the entertainment that people hand out with out any thought as to the creators? What about protecting them? The problem with the internet is that it makes us forget where what we download comes from. People have become convinced that the all the movies and other copyrighted material we download comes from the internet itself.
When it comes to something so morally clear cut as people avoiding payment, why has the EUs legal response been so slow? Why do they seem so uninterested in protecting the rights of people who are being stolen from? The EU doesn’t care about copyright at all. All the¥ care about is making it look like they are doing something over many months while accomplishing nothing.
Haha, Mandelson’s plan is f.ucked then!
@44 Nov 05, 2009 at 23:22 by fight_the_tyranny:
Not really he just will do what the french did and create a new puppet court that will have a judge that will probably laser print all the disconnections in one day to get the afternoon vacated so he can go golfing LoL
And to make more comfortable they probably will make the appealing process so complex and lengthy that only the most determine ones get to the end of it.
@neo.styles: seriously man, you ARE a freaking troll.
Why the **** do you insist on preaching your arguments? I’m not going to debunk them again, because you will post on another topic with the same shit again.
Developing software/music/whatever is a one-time deal. Selling it is a monopoly on INFORMATION. Free knowledge and speech!!
Of course, “digital” as “information” (bits) won’t make much sense to a troll like you living in an imaginary world. All bits are information. Do you deny physics?
@43 Nov 05, 2009 at 23:11 by \\.neo.styles|sSG:
Go to Asia there they are already in a world where downloading is ok and don’t need new laws they just dealt with it and are making money LoL
http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/03/27/Music-Impresario-Jin-Young-Park/
There are people in the world making money competing with free downloads why can’t you?
Incompetence must be the answer but it could be laziness too one never knows so tell us if others can do it why can’t you?
@42 Nov 05, 2009 at 22:48 by MultiCast-DHT Tunnels:
My bad, you are correct is two seats still not much to do anything.
We need more seats and don’t forget the PP is a political party and needs monitoring by the people or they will end up like the others.
Question, challenge and damn right demand that they report back to the people.
I like boys very much. Thieving kids and their round bottoms. ooooo
No, wait – that didn’t come out right!!!
I like little girls too… mmmmm
http://www.torrent-eye.co.uk (more content to download :)
Why new laws to protect the corporations? I think there are already laws to protect them. If someone is caught pirating, just sue them using the laws we already have that protects copyright.
But the corporations wants to cut off all of us without having to use any law, without having to prove we are guilt, and without our right to even defend ourselves.
What they want is only to say: this guy is downloading and his connection is cutt off imediately with any proof of his download.
If this happens I hope we can acuse the corporation of downloads and their connections be cut off too.
@47 “In meetings with music labels here, they talk to me about releasing albums,” says Park. “They can’t accept that there’s no such thing anymore. Where I come from, CDs are nothing—they’re just souvenirs. I tell them, ‘Wake up!’”
.. so true ..
Going around the judicial branch is bad news.
None of this will stand up in court.
“Once again, the EU demonstrates that they have all the moral conscience of Dr Frankenstein. All they talk about is the “end users.” How about the corporations that give us the entertainment”
as usual you forget that ‘corporations’ are nohing more than paper, its the people inside them making the choices that dont like this, and they forget that without ‘End Users’ they are not needed, simple.
if you dont sell what ‘End users’ actually want to pay for at the price they are willing to pay, then your doing something very wrong.
just because company X makes something, that company Y thinks will make a buck off the end users and so payed company X, does not mean company Y has ANY RIGHT to force ‘End users’ to pay their asking price week in ,week out, thats not how the free markets work.
offer us your wares for a price, if we dont want it at that price, then drop its price.
if we still dont want it, then you obviously payed a lemmon and should be making make lemonade not entertainment.
and that is what it is, mearly ‘Entertainment’ , nothing more substantial, nothing that really matters, the best you can hope for is becoming a popular MEME, and people buying new copys IF and When THEY Choose in the Formats They Want To Buy at any Given Time To do With Whatever They Please, At The Price They Want To Pay, be happy, and learn your lessons and perhaps make a few bucks.
I don’t think so. Im just the voice of morality in a sea of digital lawlessness.
One time deal? Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to be telling people how they should make a living? What gives you the right to tell someone how their business should grow? Sitting there, without an ounce of understanding for someone’s hardwork and then telling them “ok, time to go out of business” is just about the lowest thing you can do.
And when are you going to get it that movies and music are not information? They are creative works. Stop dressing them up. Do you really believe that just because they are converted into a digital format and distributed, that they have no ownership? THEY AREN’T YOURS, THEY ARE SOMONE ELSE. Monopolgy doesn’t apply to creativity. There is no such thing as a “Monopoly on creativity.”
You do realize how absurd what you’re saying is, right? That’s like saying “I have freedom of ownership, so I should be able to steal a tv or a car whenever I feel like it because im special.”
Why? Look what has happened with The pirate bay. They were convicted months ago and have the flow of infringements stopped? Nope, the swedish legal system has casually allowed the massive flow infringements/theft to continue. If this was in America, the people behind the Pirate Bay would be taken into custody. Also, when was the last time you saw a corporation recieving a settlement from a torrent site? They can just argue “we aren’t hosting any copyrighted material” and just like that, they get away.
We need new laws for illegal torrent sites and other kinds of piracy.
Don’t you get it? If no one is willing to pay you, then you can’t earn any money for what you do.
“48 Nov 06, 2009 at 00:13 by Anonymous
@42 Nov 05, 2009 at 22:48 by MultiCast-DHT Tunnels:
My bad, you are correct is two seats still not much to do anything.
We need more seats and don’t forget the PP is a political party and needs monitoring by the people or they will end up like the others.
Question, challenge and damn right demand that they report back to the people.
”
sure, we are not likey to forget, and dont You forget that these people in the PP as it stands right now are going to be in the main, ordinary people, not professional long term Govt types.
and THAT’s EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD BE VOTING FOR THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION in your area of the world.
for instance, get them in the UK houses of parliament seats by electing them in or joining and standing in YOUR AREA if there are non right now, and so kicking the incombant partys, and taking the as many seats as you can and both sides of the chamber.
hypertheticly, you could elect/stand and become the controlling party in the UK and get lots more EU seats to, if you only use your vote to your advantage raeher than not spend 10 minutes to vote or werse spoil your vote…..
Now to your other point, again, OC we need to keep and eye on all partys and thats what the likes of
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/
and
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?s=pirate+party
LOL, perhaps we need some Royal Navy personnel in mandys agender…
“Written Answers — Defence: Somalia: Piracy (11 Jun 2009)
Bill Rammell: When suspected pirates are encountered, Royal Navy personnel will collect evidence and take witness statements, as the police would during a criminal investigation. This information is then used to assess whether the evidence against the pirates is sufficiently strong to merit transfer to a third party state for the purpose of further investigation and, if appropriate, prosecution….”
doesnt your country have something like these Uk sites to keep an eye on your govt reps ?
if not, perhaps you can be the first person to actually do this there and collect up some people there that want to start one.
and paerhaps collaberate with the UK sites above and the laws your Govt translated into law from the EU directives if your in the EU etc….
I disagree there. I would never vote for someone based on his or hers origin.
I would vote based on plans, facts, and actions taken. I don’t need promises what I do need is real actions and a clear plan that let me gauge what I’m getting into it.
About keeping and eye I like the EFF style, they put a lot of what they do there so people can see them working.
And there is of course a lot of sites that already track how people vote.
Canada
http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/
U.S.
http://www.votesmart.org/
But I feel this could be better, with some maps.
And there is innovative ideas like disposable politicians LoL
Search for koizumi children and see how he dealt with a hostile chamber.
“I disagree there. I would never vote for someone based on his or hers origin.
I would vote based on plans, facts, and actions taken. I don’t need promises what I do need is real actions and a clear plan that let me gauge what I’m getting into it.
”
sure, that was not what i said or implyed and im sorry if thats what you took from it….initially.
OC we also need to know the plans of these PP people, its not about were someone comes from, but rather what their record is, but OC these PP people dont and wont have a record of good intentions or bad intentions for that matter, hence giving them the BOTD for at least a shot at their first potential term.
if we make it clear PP have a shot at this in whatever area of the world were talking about, they will then be in a position to massively expand their core policys etc.
we DO know the records of the existing partys members and some are not so clean and go consistantly against the public good.
there are OC some good MPs out there picking good voting policys againt the whip’s mandate for our benefit etc, and these are the people that the PP can consider for poaching into their party were needed to grow IF WE Give Them a Chance to sit in the house….
although i only spent a few minutes looking at those web site you listed.
they do not seem to have the same informative feeling to them, and it appears to be VERY HARD to find anything of real value or informative and thats a shame.
but perhaps they can put a lot more work into them to make them far better and interesting over time.
perhaps take their lead form the Uk and EU searchable documents,data and transcripts overlayed with otation such as that theyworkforyou site etc…
overlayed with add an annotation as that theyworkforyou site etc…
What some folks don’t realise is the the real agenda of the MafRiaa and ACTA is to ban all p2p and torrent software to prevent independent artists from distributing their work, They use “Pirating” as a smoke screen to achieve this objective whilst the governments silently give their approval to the decrease or elimination of net neutrality, this control of the net suits the government as well as most Corporations, the free internet is a huge threat to the big brothers, tyrants, megalomaniacs which run most governments and corporations, the net allows free speech which exposes them for what they are, and this exposure they want to control.
News/Propaganda used to be controlled via print, i.e. propaganda was fed to the masses without much counter argument, the free speech of the net is a huge thorn in the side of those tyrants in power, THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE NET, full stop.
They don’t want to control the internet. They want you to return to paying for their products or stop taking them and using them. Simple as that.
Three years ago TF regulars were carping about their right to free speech, then using that justification to take free entertainment merchandise.
Last year the TF regulars were posting about how laws would never be passed and how they’d never get caught.
Now today, everyone here is focused on the laws they are passing with Pirate Party assistance and your right to a fair trial when you DO get caught.
It’s slow, but it’s undeniable progress. :-)
They don’t want to control the internet they want to control your wallet; that’s all!!!
They have the right to make money just like Ben laden for their hard work as tapeworm and this is just a job like any other job.
Are you a racist for talking down on corporate parasites and criminals?
What is wrong with being a parasite and a criminal Hum?
Parasites and criminals are people too and have the right to make a living even if it make them suck the blood of the artists and their public.
They just have the same right as El-Quada to defend themselves and conduct some terrorists operation.
@62
… did you take your meds today honey?
@Reasoned Mind: I’m not surprised by what you said. Over the course of history many people tried to shut down new technology because “they took our jobs”. Just like you and the MAFIAA, instead of embracing the wonder of the 21th century (the digital world and easy distribution), which by the way any advanced civilization would USE it to its FULL potential, you want to preserve the old industrial model.
Get your head out in the future mate!
You don’t see people doing manual labor anymore where automation has succeeded. That’s a GOOD thing, wake up!
I don’t see how this is a victory. I always thought that being judged before being punished has always been a given in our so called developed countries.
This doesn’t feel like a victory, it feels like a call to arms.
@neo troll >.>
umm listen well.. person of morality? what bull? u just said this
‘Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to be telling people how they should make a living? What gives you the right to tell someone how their business should grow? Sitting there, without an ounce of understanding for someone’s hardwork and then telling them “ok, time to go out of business” is just about the lowest thing you can do.’
and thats MY line, WHO the HELL are YOU to tell people how to make a living.. have u seen the poor beggars in london that decided to copy dvds and sell them to the public? they make what.. like £30 a day? and if £30 IS THAT much for you why doesnt warner brothers have people ‘replace them’ and stand in the streets selling DVDs at DECENT prices? obviosly there is a demand for cheaper films, if one or 2 people can make a living of it, then why a company as huge as that have any problems at all? .. but oh nvm warner brothers and all sorts of antipiracy groups decide making a living at ripping people of as well as suing them after selling them their bs. they should be called scams nowdays..
think about that u morallity MORON
All this is is basically putting into writing “It’s not forbidden to deny someone access to the internet if you just formulate it right”, i.e. basically opens the door to disconnection.
Fail.
neo.styles, who are YOU to tell others what they can’t share? If you want to make a living out of it, stay with your group of obsolete oppressors. I’m sure they’ll pay for your works.
I have a problem when you go and tell others what to do with their computers.
It’s being “stimulated” by neo|riaa.
use only 1337 trackers, u know the score.
my other comments were censored by the nazi admins here. they are hypocrits!
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