my other comments were censored by the nazi admins here. they are hypocrits!

I have a problem when you go and tell others what to do with their computers.

Fail.

‘Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to be telling people how they should make a living? What gives you the right to tell someone how their business should grow? Sitting there, without an ounce of understanding for someone’s hardwork and then telling them “ok, time to go out of business” is just about the lowest thing you can do.’

and thats MY line, WHO the HELL are YOU to tell people how to make a living.. have u seen the poor beggars in london that decided to copy dvds and sell them to the public? they make what.. like £30 a day? and if £30 IS THAT much for you why doesnt warner brothers have people ‘replace them’ and stand in the streets selling DVDs at DECENT prices? obviosly there is a demand for cheaper films, if one or 2 people can make a living of it, then why a company as huge as that have any problems at all? .. but oh nvm warner brothers and all sorts of antipiracy groups decide making a living at ripping people of as well as suing them after selling them their bs. they should be called scams nowdays..
think about that u morallity MORON

This doesn’t feel like a victory, it feels like a call to arms.

Get your head out in the future mate!

You don’t see people doing manual labor anymore where automation has succeeded. That’s a GOOD thing, wake up!

… did you take your meds today honey?

They have the right to make money just like Ben laden for their hard work as tapeworm and this is just a job like any other job.

Are you a racist for talking down on corporate parasites and criminals?

What is wrong with being a parasite and a criminal Hum?

Parasites and criminals are people too and have the right to make a living even if it make them suck the blood of the artists and their public.

They just have the same right as El-Quada to defend themselves and conduct some terrorists operation.

Three years ago TF regulars were carping about their right to free speech, then using that justification to take free entertainment merchandise.

Last year the TF regulars were posting about how laws would never be passed and how they’d never get caught.

Now today, everyone here is focused on the laws they are passing with Pirate Party assistance and your right to a fair trial when you DO get caught.

It’s slow, but it’s undeniable progress. :-)

I would vote based on plans, facts, and actions taken. I don’t need promises what I do need is real actions and a clear plan that let me gauge what I’m getting into it.

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sure, that was not what i said or implyed and im sorry if thats what you took from it….initially.

OC we also need to know the plans of these PP people, its not about were someone comes from, but rather what their record is, but OC these PP people dont and wont have a record of good intentions or bad intentions for that matter, hence giving them the BOTD for at least a shot at their first potential term.

if we make it clear PP have a shot at this in whatever area of the world were talking about, they will then be in a position to massively expand their core policys etc.

we DO know the records of the existing partys members and some are not so clean and go consistantly against the public good.

there are OC some good MPs out there picking good voting policys againt the whip’s mandate for our benefit etc, and these are the people that the PP can consider for poaching into their party were needed to grow IF WE Give Them a Chance to sit in the house….

although i only spent a few minutes looking at those web site you listed.

they do not seem to have the same informative feeling to them, and it appears to be VERY HARD to find anything of real value or informative and thats a shame.

but perhaps they can put a lot more work into them to make them far better and interesting over time.

perhaps take their lead form the Uk and EU searchable documents,data and transcripts overlayed with otation such as that theyworkforyou site etc…

and THAT’s EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD BE VOTING FOR THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION in your area of the world.

I disagree there. I would never vote for someone based on his or hers origin.

I would vote based on plans, facts, and actions taken. I don’t need promises what I do need is real actions and a clear plan that let me gauge what I’m getting into it.

About keeping and eye I like the EFF style, they put a lot of what they do there so people can see them working.

And there is of course a lot of sites that already track how people vote.

Canada
http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/

U.S.
http://www.votesmart.org/

But I feel this could be better, with some maps.

And there is innovative ideas like disposable politicians LoL

Search for koizumi children and see how he dealt with a hostile chamber.

My bad, you are correct is two seats still not much to do anything.

We need more seats and don’t forget the PP is a political party and needs monitoring by the people or they will end up like the others.

Question, challenge and damn right demand that they report back to the people.
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sure, we are not likey to forget, and dont You forget that these people in the PP as it stands right now are going to be in the main, ordinary people, not professional long term Govt types.

and THAT’s EXACTLY WHY YOU SHOULD BE VOTING FOR THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION in your area of the world.

for instance, get them in the UK houses of parliament seats by electing them in or joining and standing in YOUR AREA if there are non right now, and so kicking the incombant partys, and taking the as many seats as you can and both sides of the chamber.

hypertheticly, you could elect/stand and become the controlling party in the UK and get lots more EU seats to, if you only use your vote to your advantage raeher than not spend 10 minutes to vote or werse spoil your vote…..

Now to your other point, again, OC we need to keep and eye on all partys and thats what the likes of
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/
and
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?s=pirate+party

LOL, perhaps we need some Royal Navy personnel in mandys agender…

“Written Answers — Defence: Somalia: Piracy (11 Jun 2009)
Bill Rammell: When suspected pirates are encountered, Royal Navy personnel will collect evidence and take witness statements, as the police would during a criminal investigation. This information is then used to assess whether the evidence against the pirates is sufficiently strong to merit transfer to a third party state for the purpose of further investigation and, if appropriate, prosecution….”

doesnt your country have something like these Uk sites to keep an eye on your govt reps ?

if not, perhaps you can be the first person to actually do this there and collect up some people there that want to start one.

and paerhaps collaberate with the UK sites above and the laws your Govt translated into law from the EU directives if your in the EU etc….

@neo.styles: seriously man, you ARE a freaking troll.

I don’t think so. Im just the voice of morality in a sea of digital lawlessness.

Developing software/music/whatever is a one-time deal. Selling it is a monopoly on INFORMATION. Free knowledge and speech!!

One time deal? Let me ask you this. Who the hell are you to be telling people how they should make a living? What gives you the right to tell someone how their business should grow? Sitting there, without an ounce of understanding for someone’s hardwork and then telling them “ok, time to go out of business” is just about the lowest thing you can do.

And when are you going to get it that movies and music are not information? They are creative works. Stop dressing them up. Do you really believe that just because they are converted into a digital format and distributed, that they have no ownership? THEY AREN’T YOURS, THEY ARE SOMONE ELSE. Monopolgy doesn’t apply to creativity. There is no such thing as a “Monopoly on creativity.”

You do realize how absurd what you’re saying is, right? That’s like saying “I have freedom of ownership, so I should be able to steal a tv or a car whenever I feel like it because im special.”

Why new laws to protect the corporations? I think there are already laws to protect them. If someone is caught pirating, just sue them using the laws we already have that protects copyright.

Why? Look what has happened with The pirate bay. They were convicted months ago and have the flow of infringements stopped? Nope, the swedish legal system has casually allowed the massive flow infringements/theft to continue. If this was in America, the people behind the Pirate Bay would be taken into custody. Also, when was the last time you saw a corporation recieving a settlement from a torrent site? They can just argue “we aren’t hosting any copyrighted material” and just like that, they get away.

We need new laws for illegal torrent sites and other kinds of piracy.

Go to Asia there they are already in a world where downloading is ok and don’t need new laws they just dealt with it and are making money LoL

Don’t you get it? If no one is willing to pay you, then you can’t earn any money for what you do.

as usual you forget that ‘corporations’ are nohing more than paper, its the people inside them making the choices that dont like this, and they forget that without ‘End Users’ they are not needed, simple.

if you dont sell what ‘End users’ actually want to pay for at the price they are willing to pay, then your doing something very wrong.

just because company X makes something, that company Y thinks will make a buck off the end users and so payed company X, does not mean company Y has ANY RIGHT to force ‘End users’ to pay their asking price week in ,week out, thats not how the free markets work.

offer us your wares for a price, if we dont want it at that price, then drop its price.

if we still dont want it, then you obviously payed a lemmon and should be making make lemonade not entertainment.

and that is what it is, mearly ‘Entertainment’ , nothing more substantial, nothing that really matters, the best you can hope for is becoming a popular MEME, and people buying new copys IF and When THEY Choose in the Formats They Want To Buy at any Given Time To do With Whatever They Please, At The Price They Want To Pay, be happy, and learn your lessons and perhaps make a few bucks.

.. so true ..

I like little girls too… mmmmm

My bad, you are correct is two seats still not much to do anything.

We need more seats and don’t forget the PP is a political party and needs monitoring by the people or they will end up like the others.

Question, challenge and damn right demand that they report back to the people.

Go to Asia there they are already in a world where downloading is ok and don’t need new laws they just dealt with it and are making money LoL

http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/03/27/Music-Impresario-Jin-Young-Park/

There are people in the world making money competing with free downloads why can’t you?

Incompetence must be the answer but it could be laziness too one never knows so tell us if others can do it why can’t you?

Why the **** do you insist on preaching your arguments? I’m not going to debunk them again, because you will post on another topic with the same shit again.

Developing software/music/whatever is a one-time deal. Selling it is a monopoly on INFORMATION. Free knowledge and speech!!

Of course, “digital” as “information” (bits) won’t make much sense to a troll like you living in an imaginary world. All bits are information. Do you deny physics?

Not really he just will do what the french did and create a new puppet court that will have a judge that will probably laser print all the disconnections in one day to get the afternoon vacated so he can go golfing LoL

And to make more comfortable they probably will make the appealing process so complex and lengthy that only the most determine ones get to the end of it.

When it comes to something so morally clear cut as people avoiding payment, why has the EUs legal response been so slow? Why do they seem so uninterested in protecting the rights of people who are being stolen from? The EU doesn’t care about copyright at all. All the¥ care about is making it look like they are doing something over many months while accomplishing nothing.

sure but its two seats now rememeber, every one counts…

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-second-seat-in-european-parliament-091104/
“With the Lisbon Treaty being signed by all European Union member states, the Pirate Party has gained another seat in the European Parliament. The second Pirate Party seat will be occupied by the 22 year old Amelia Andersdotter, who will become the youngest Member of the European Parliament.
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Mike surely has a problem. In communism all ideas belong to the state. Nobody sane here ever said the artists and even MAFIAA idiots shouldn’t get their money. As it has been pointed out ad nauseum, the industry is failing to evolve.

Wasn’t the Swedish court’s ruling on the Piratebay 4 enough proof for you, that people who pirate are criminals?

Politicians will abuse the law if society don’t have strong ways to keep an eye on them.

Part of the guilty is from society, we weren’t looking.

@1 Nov 05, 2009 at 16:21 by http://www.eZee.se:

Don’t be naive. One seat does nothing to change the status quo and although technically he helped the weight of that help was insignificant and we should do more to put more people there, but more importantly we should always question what they are doing, challenge them and ask for answers or they will just be another political party. Just electing people doesn’t cut it, society needs watchers to catch wrong things going into the mix.

how so ? do we not have the transcripts of the debates giving the true meaning of the legislation ?

we need these, and should be referencing them in all dealings, to make it clear to the distractors and weasels that will try and PR it Phorm style, to their profit before innocence at any price.

heres the memo
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/491&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

but i cant find the meaning of the above written down as yet.

viviane [Commissioner] Reding is a cool bird when you realise she has done far more to fight for your privacy rights than anyone else in the EU.

remember it was her after https://nodpi.org/ activists worked and continue to work hard, and later informed her office (about the Phorm/BT illegal interception inaction/problems) that are taking the UK Govt to the EU high court for not implimenting the EU directives properly by christmas 2009 unless they put it right before them.

Yes i did copy/pasted the above…
And adding “What is your purpose ?”

share-
it’s faire

exactely, what i think. and one would loose a login at the local library, and at the university, and at work… and isps would need to keep up with a blacklist, and this blacklist would need to be revised by some legal authority in each country…

in the end, it is some kind of imprisonment, to cut somebody entirely off… and what if the blacklist would go into millions? who can control all this? who is going to pay for it? people working via the inet would loose their job, could not book their tickets, buy things via the inet, even no hollywood-DVDs ;), no itunes, no videostream and TV at home… meaning that all the industries loose customers…

And how can it be regulated? Domain names being sanctioned, IP address assignments, outlawing proxy servers and various other things. The war is not over but we have won this battle.

Whether you like it or not, whether it affects sales or not, sharing copyright works is ALREADY illegal. A vote for a fair trial for those accused is better than arbitrary cartel disconnection action. Nothing better was on the table, this was the best deal available

“the fundamental rights and freedoms of natural persons”

That is a VERY important word!

If you look at your drivers license/ID you should take notice of your name in UPPER CASE. That is called your Strawman and is NOT a NATURAL PERSON. This is how they bypass laws because they get YOU to accept being an artificial person and by such statues(fake peoples laws) apply.

So they can say they want to protect the natural people and all the while still screw you over cause you accepted being an artificial person over a natural without any thought cause it looks like your name!

If you dont believe me I encourage you to google this for further information and i am sure you will come to the same conclusions as i have.

Far from protecting filesharers, the Telecoms bill does fook all to protect filesharers, thanks to the UK and France.

Sahme on you TF for your BBC style spin.

@10
The chance that the Hadopi will go through in France, gets way smaller. – On the long run, more laws will come to make illegal downloading impossible, though. When and how this might really work… no one knows.

Perhaps this is the idea of Australia’s isp’s which the shirty govt wanted to put a block on the net making it 97% slower than it already is for them. At that rate, I say fuk dis sht and move the hell away or just use some work around.

The only way a disconnection from the internet could be feasibly possible is if the gov’t banned you from all electronic devices (phones, Nintendo things that connect to wifi, wifi connection devices, probably your vehicle as it may be hooked up to the internet, your phone, your friends house, your neighbor, a sate light dish, 3g devices, wimax devices, probably your gaming system, your electronic weather reader, probably more items just for being kicked off the net.

Wow I guess the mafia and New World Order govt is really against people communicating or technology itself but we already knew that….

Even if the court banned for a repeat copy inf ringer all of the above, I guess you would just have to move to the place where maybe no one would be around you that had any of these items so you would be in compliance.

Maybe they have like a black book of names that they are thinking about distributing to all of the isp’s on who can be a customer and who can not. If that’s the case, no problem as many people have many friends who are willing to give a helping hand to a person in need. I myself have 3 internet connections. If you count my seed boxes, I guess maybe you can say that I have 8 internet connections. They are located in different countries so just because I can’t get on the net in one country, no problem as for my stuff can be still distributed and accessed from different countries. If the mafia decides to censor me, I guess they will just have to take down many countries in some kind of tactical military strike on multiple locations which still wouldn’t do any good as for their are fronts and backups. Even if I was to die today, my content & shared files would still be shared forever as for I have them on a permanent server for the duration of the service. If the service ever goes down such as is bought out, it will also be backed up and set up under a new addresse all without me even being involved.

Cartels can go to hell. I guess money can’t buy you happiness as they have found out. Bribing politicians, lawmakers, judges, police, air force, news, etc didn’t get them far at all. Ever since their initial assault on file sharing, it has only grown. I guess they haven’ cough on yet.

Here is the deal. If we wanted our fukin internet censored, we would censor it ourselves meaning we wouldn’t have put the content on there in the first place.

I tell you what. I will make a deal. For every thing that I notice that is censored shortly after I get it or while I am trying to get it (mininova :torrent not found although I copied & pasted the url in to my seedbox & it downloaded till the link was removed) I will make sure that I make available or re-distribute that censored item. I will decide if I would like to make a permanent copy on the internet, not you. Being that the mafia didn’t want it to be available and had it removed, it will now be available for a lifetime rather than till whenever the file stops being shared. So actually the cartel didn’t stop nothing, they just ensured that it was more avalable.

Fkk copyright & fkk the cartels!

File sharer 4 ever!

However, anyone accused of doing something ‘illegal’ deserves an opportunity to explain/defend themselves. Access to the internet is a right that should not be taken away lightly.

Communism is about enforcing people and no fair trials. Communism is about unfair legislation that OPPRESSES people.

Sounds something like what YOU want.