Forced Exodus of BitTorrent Sites Is Imminent
Written by Ernesto on November 23, 2007The Dutch ISP LeaseWeb can’t take the pressure from BREIN anymore. As a preliminary measure they have now ordered dozens of BitTorrent sites - including some big-shots - to pack their stuff before December 1st, leave LeaseWeb and find a new home.
Last week we reported that LeaseWeb forced SumoTorrent to move to another ISP due to pressure from BREIN. In that article we published a list of other potential BRIEN targets hosted by LeaseWeb (we left out dozens of other sites) including mybittorrent.com, btmon.com, btjunkie.org, seedpeer.com, what.cd and waffles.fm.
Over the past few days several admins of the sites in this list confirmed to TorrentFreak that they indeed got a letter from LeaseWeb in which they were asked to move their websites before the end of the month. At this point it is not sure whether the dozens of other, mostly smaller private BitTorrent communities, received a similar letter. A questionable request since BitTorrent sites are not considered to be illegal according to Dutch law.
However, it seems that LeaseWeb has succumbed to BREIN’s pressure as it orders its clients to take all BitTorrent related material from their servers before December 1st. LeaseWeb takes this proactive measure to protect their clients they say, but it’s not needed since the court order that BREIN has applies ONLY to everlasting.nl and not to all other BitTorrent sites
One of the biggest mistakes they made in the process is to hand over the personal details of the SumoTorrent administrator. Somehow LeaseWeb was under the impression that they had to give this information to BREIN, thereby violating the privacy of one of their clients. This mistake also contradicts a statement LeaseWeb gave earlier this week to ISPam.nl, where they said that they are not allowed to give customer information to a third party without a funded request.
One of the big questions right now is where on earth all the BitTorrent sites will go now that LeaseWeb is a no-go. There are still some other options in The Netherlands and countries like Canada and Sweden, but they are slowly running out of alternatives.
LeaseWeb announced that it will appeal the decision in the everlasting.nl case, “LeaseWeb has filed an appeal and will keep fighting for its client’s privacy and right of freedom of expression up to the highest court.” We wish them well.
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(woops; post 48 was meant to reply to post 46)
Even though I like Bit Torrent and I know many will hate me for saying this, I hope Bit Torrent does go bye bye. Maybe then filesharing will go somewhat underground again and you won’t have every noob on the planet doing it.
Let’s face it. PC gaming is in the shitter. Most PC games these days are nothing more than a shitty port of a console game. The more people that use P2P to get games without paying for them, the less reason the makers have to support PC gaming. And it’s not just gaming. It applies to music, movies, and anything else that’s widely shared on P2P. If there’s no profit in producing a product, the maker will cease to produce it. It’s that simple. The widespread use of Bit Torrent has caused P2P to bite the hand that feeds it. If there’s nothing left to share, then what’s the point of P2P?
Anyone that disagrees can go take a flying fuck for all I care.
You can keep on talking on forums like these and nothing is going to happen. The only way is to stand up, unite and fight …..
Currently there is only Sweden & Canada safe for hosting. PirateBay’s hosting in Sweden is very expensive which leaves only Canada.
Iran is a good bet for offshore hosting. Overtly pirating American intellectual property is *completely* *legal* in Iran right now.
Any NDS programmers about? Got an idea. Need to test something out.
I think this could be the next big craze and will put a the last nail in the RIAA coffin!
[quote comment="221588"]Iran is a good bet for offshore hosting. Overtly pirating American intellectual property is *completely* *legal* in Iran right now.[/quote]
Bittorrent sites are blocked in Iran because they can contain pornographic content.
so, I don’t know if you can host it there:)
China maybe?; but Leaseweb was great because their datacenter is in Europe, if you host a torrentsite in China … it’s far, and slow because there isn’t so many big backbone going there
[quote comment="221528"]where can bt’s sites go… Sealand, the place pirate bay was trying to acquire. ^_^[/quote]
The king of sealand doesn’t want to sell it to tpb and their hosting company doesn’t allow Piracy. (it’s also quite expensive)
[quote comment="221313"]everyhting goes through its rough patches, torrents are having theres atm. we shall previal.[/quote]
Thanks. i just needed some support ;D
Hopefully something good will come out of this but still this a serious bummer to bittorrent community. But we shall previal o/
nice move leaseweb!
Sealand? Ex scrap dealer Roy Bates and his mad son who keep burning it out trying to claim the insurance money? That old maggot keeps coming out of the apple every so often LOL.
Shame about leaseweb, but its done us all a big favour by getting everyone to disperse themselves a lot more. Its a lot harder to hit a moving target rather than one thats all stuck in the same place.
The only people who will suffer will be the mpaa/riaa who will find it harder to harass people spread further around the globe and those huge sites like mininova who are only in it for the money.
As for the pirate bay kiddies, funded by that odious crook Ben Oded as someone else said, they are attracting so much attention with all their posturing that they have become the worst thing to happen to filesharing.
/me sits back and waits for inevitable tpb fanboys to flame
http://www.clubic.com/actualite-86638-p2p-sarkozy-valide-propositions-olivennes.html#commentaire
And now, France is also targetting directly at end-users.
This is the end of the world :(
Mabe you will all understand now what it means to name TOP Sites here or at other Places to help the FEDS out to get knowledge of those Sites and Hosts.
Eveything will be back *Scene* soon as a result of all this silly publicity.
Sure its all your freedom to name and talk bout this but all this shutdowns are a result of too much bla after only 1 Huge Site was raided.
I dont understand how they can force the ISP to take down the sites. Under what laws? What are they pressuring them with? Lawsuits? It doesnt make sense.
you can terminate a service even if the client doesn’t break the law. it does make sense.
[quote comment="221325"]hmmm
no one can stop sharing movies.
lots of DC++ networks, more powerful then bittorrent.
it’s impossible to shut down share world. there will be a way to share with each other.
why MPAA/RIAA and other groups are so dumb ? they never knew about DC++ ?
they should check them first before jumping on bittorrent sites.
DC++ is the first place where files born.
All trackers should be hosted in Russia - Moscow.[/quote]
dude are u mentaly retarded hahahhaha
have u ever heard of the scene.. thats were files are born
dc ++ is the files comes to last..
We can always try Cuba, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind having Torrent sites hosted there. HA.
what about bitorrent of ssh, many private trackers, have option to download ssh torrent. ive used ssh to connect to shell for irc. but ive never used ssh torrents.
what we realy need is TRUE decentralized file sharing.
the reason they dont go after dc++ is people like my sister who can download tv shows over bit torrent would never have the patience to get dc++ going.
there are also many other p2p software out there.
wiki darknet
they know they wont ever stop file sharing, but bittorrent has brought file sharing to the masses like never before.
true decentralized bit torrent would be torrents without the trackers, where each peer works as a tracker and peer. the problem comes with the first initial connections.
maybe some kind of “groups” of peers could be created and people just join the group and all the work the tracker does could be split amongst all the peers, so even if some of the peers leave, the “tracker” information is still available from any of the peers the next time they join.
decentralized torrents -> the future
I’m fairly mad about this, I’ve written a whole website dedicated to the subject, if anybody feels like reading my stuff please have a look at http://dev.ntlgl.com/faq.html , there is both an english and a dutch version.
Now what they just don’t seem to understand is that where there’s a will, there’s a way. Remember when napster went down? there were always other p2p programs. Now that these torrent sites are going down, there are others.
Hell look at TPB. in May ‘06 they were raided, and then three days later they were back up and with tons more users because of all of the media attention. and the icing on that cake is that while they still have the servers, they have no evidence because torrent trackers aren’t illegal in Sweeden.
What tickles me the most about this is that people will always be pirating their “intelectual” property. And even if they find a way against Torrenting as a whole, people will find another way.
Torrent KIDDIES HAHHA GET A CLUE
[quote comment="221972"]Torrent KIDDIES HAHHA GET A CLUE[/quote]
Are your jeans a little too tight there buddy?
But really, this is sad news indeed.
As the guys said, Mexico seems like a real possibility. Plus in Mexico no1 gives a fuck about piracy, cuz everyone does it!
Decentralized, distributed trackers (similar to kademlia) is the only way to go.
The assertion that torrent trackers aren’t hosting copyright material is true, but govts just change the laws or find them guilty anyway - it’s very very obvious to even the layman (or juror) that trackers are facilitating the distributing of copyright material
We’re seeing the start of the end for trackers (as they exist at the moment) and we need to adapt and change.
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