But then again, if you reason and advocate for yourself in the marketplace as poorly as you do for infringement here, it’s no wonder you live in poverty.

Is that so? I notice that you fail to respond to any other point I posted, and there were a number of them. Is the pot calling the kettle black?

Also, very nice attempt at a personal attack. Did I say why I live in poverty? Did I mention the circumstances behind my living situation at all? No. You simply make assumptions about me and in the same motion try to discredit my arguments. But here’s a couple things to chew on:

-Simply implying “You suck at arguing” is not the way to win a debate. It makes you look a fool by trying to establish legitimacy by means other than application of logic and reasoning. (“Reasoned” is in your screen name, so why not live up to it?)

-You don’t know me, so don’t make assumptions about me for the purpose of maintaining your fantasy life in which you are always right and I am always wrong.

Possibly. I doubt it.
But then again, if you reason and advocate for yourself in the marketplace as poorly as you do for infringement here, it’s no wonder you live in poverty.

[i]“You want those piracy hooligans stopped? Right away mr Obama, sir!”[/i]

Beaten by France! Shocking!

The way the EU is moving on this, us pirates will have to DEFECT TO RUSSIA! (seek asylum! lol)

At least there they have some perspective on these things, and don’t care about sucking up to the US either. Lots of top class techies and hackers too.

Lessee.

When was the last time you sent money to a motion picture or recording artist?

Maybe if I didn’t live in poverty, I might be able to send some money to my favorite artists. One, you cannot apply a negative stereotype- the ignorant, selfish leecher- to every sharer. That’s like judging all Christians by the fundies. Two, the artists I speak of have, because of filesharing, gained another fan, one they would not have had otherwise.

The facts also reveal that the rare artist who can actually get paid directly, like Reznor and Radiohead in 2007, had to be signed, promoted and marketed to household names by the industries you claim to disrespect for a decade or more before they could get any payment at all.

Cite these “facts”, please.

We can also see that the artists are not leaving the labels in mass. Do some research, they just aren’t.

Indie artists beg to differ.

Another fact is that signing with a record label remains the holy grail of a recording career, at least in part to be able to make a decent, non-begging living and to get the huge financial support needed to tour.

Really? I wasn’t aware of this. How interesting.

and also the RIAA and MPAA working as the agents of those artists, (fact)

Refuted as per above.

why shouldn’t the industries take every chance they have and in every way they can to gain government support to legally obstruct the pirates who are not paying their artists?

Because it is unjust to do so. The entertainment industries seek to reestablish control over their content, even going so far as to intrude on the common man’s privacy to do so. It is one thing to do this out of genuine interest for the artists and cultural progress in general, but circumstances very much suggest that the industries act in their own interests, which hurts their justification for the anti-piracy methods they employ. The industries acts for their profits; filesharers act for freedom. It is quite simple to see which is more ethical.

and industries protect and defend their artists as best they can.

I see two possible outcomes of this statement:
-The statement is true, but the industries are terribly inept at serving their artists (as evidenced by their methods for paying said artists) and therefore need replacement or removal;
-The statement is false.

And three strikes now ONLY AFTER a finding from a European judge? Extremely reasonable.

It is not reasonable. No legislation that so clearly opposes filesharing is reasonable. Individual freedoms outweigh the possible negatives from filesharing copyrighted material. (It is especially unreasonable if the ruling is achieved after five minutes of review.)

So for God’s sake people, stealing online is one thing but…….stop your whining. You don’t sound like an organized movement for the betterment of humankind, you sound like little kids.

Some TF posters may sound like that, but would you tell that to these guys?

France has 3 pirate party…

Yes… 3…

I know, it is ridiculous… :’(

Yes!
No!
Yes!
No!
Yes!
No!
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Zarkosi… Kaposi…

Kaposi’s sarcoma. There you have it :)

TIME GET OFF YOUR BUTS AND GET FORMED ALREADY.

why?

there so easy to exploit! You see.. once they start trying to track people to there IP address.. you start using every IP you can get your hands on.. wireless.. business.. you hack into everything and you create this huge ugly mess for everyone..

Yes its completely evil and mean to do this to people.. but its the sacrifice everyone must make to keep the internet free.

They do not rule the internet, the users do.. we must fight no matter what the cost.. the freedoms we enjoy now will soon be demolished if we do not.

Trust in Chaos.

#31 “Sarkozy had the first strike, he left 2 strikes before his head.”
I hope he gets finished, people like him are better taken out of the equation, would make the world a better place.

We need to make the change we want to see in the world ourselves. People’s represemtatives like politicians are often useless, since they are prone to bribery, threats, distortions, blackmail, sabotage and ‘accidents’.

Honestly, what better way to controll a society then through a system of representatives.
We live in a corrupted democracy.

Huh? Btw, TF. Noscript also hates your advertisment. IE buggers, FTL.

it is not just you ands Sarkozy is definitively after the name of a disease.

A Sarcoma is a cancer of the conjonctive tissue and it is deadly.

A five minute judge decision is the idea of the music parasites fair trial!

Once the law is corrupted and recognized as such by the people the consensus is lost and there is no longer a law. It is then the right of the strongest.

The music parasites and the Sarkozys who do their dead are not the strongest.

How stupid are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKw_Mp5YkaE

Cell phones today are capable of AR and there is even a video showing a zomby first person shooter(I think is called “arghhhhhhhh”)

Holy cow! today I download 25 movies or more I really don’t remember.

100 Mb(megabits) optical is fun or what? LoL

Please send me to prison I can’t control my self as I don’t have the money to pay any fines because I’m a cheap bastard and will not defende myself in court I’m really looking foward 3 squares a day and a roof over my head LoL

The facts also reveal that the rare artist who can actually get paid directly, like Reznor and Radiohead in 2007, had to be signed, promoted and marketed to household names by the industries you claim to disrespect for a decade or more before they could get any payment at all. And in Reznor’s case, it’s with physical product, the antithesis of the whole point of the internet in the first place.

So the truth is that without label support, artists don’t get paid. Except in extraordinarily rare exception. This grows clearer everyday.

We can also see that the artists are not leaving the labels in mass. Do some research, they just aren’t. Another fact is that signing with a record label remains the holy grail of a recording career, at least in part to be able to make a decent, non-begging living and to get the huge financial support needed to tour.

So with all that pretty well established by now, and with pirates still taking the value without paying for it (fact) and also the RIAA and MPAA working as the agents of those artists, (fact) why shouldn’t the industries take every chance they have and in every way they can to gain government support to legally obstruct the pirates who are not paying their artists?

Pirates are all about copies without paying, right?…..and industries protect and defend their artists as best they can. This is far from sorted out so c’mon now. Fair is fair. And three strikes now ONLY AFTER a finding from a European judge? Extremely reasonable.

So for God’s sake people, stealing online is one thing but…….stop your whining. You don’t sound like an organized movement for the betterment of humankind, you sound like little kids.

What’s next, watching tv is a fundamental human right.

Free access to information is fundamental human right. Internet, newspaper, tv, radio are mediums for information access. So yes watching tv, browsing internet, reading newspaper are human rights, because it is the way to access information

“6 judges working 40 hours a week and handling 50,000 cases per year would be an average of 65 minutes per case”

Did you remember to include vacation time, estimated sick and down time or at least lunch breaks? Probably not! Fail.

“All this work to restrict copying and sharing, which is human nature, and to squeeze for max profits, which is not.”

Actually I believe greed is a very fundamental part of human nature. Idiots point the finger always at corporations, but individuals are just as greedy. Greed is everywhere in our world!

all because the music industry wont change its archaine way of working.

The first time they tried to pass this money was not even an issue. After the third strike some one would be disconnected from the internet and that would be it but than slowly it started. The first time this was voted on the senate a little part was added where some one who would be disconnected from the internet would have to pay the internet bills any ways. To me that sounds like complete nonsense. Now it sounds like all the other crap. The French president has made full circle with this law. It started funny and now it is back with all other similar laws that stick of crap. Better luck next time President. :)