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Fresh Calls to Congress to Make Movie and Music Streaming a Felony

Last time there was an attempt to turn streaming copyrighted content into a felony the effort was crushed when the Internet rose up and defeated SOPA. But this week the thorny issue was again raised before Congress, with a suggestion that until the offense is considered a felony rather than a misdemeanor, enforcement will be problematic. Across the Atlantic, Pirate Bay nemesis Rights Alliance says that while enforcement against torrents continues, visitors to streaming sites are on the increase.

streamingFor close on ten years the mainstream movie and TV studios have struggled with BitTorrent piracy.

Despite years of high-profile crackdowns on sites and their users, very few inroads have been made into reducing the amount of content being shared via the famous protocol. In fact, one might argue that in the past few years things have only become worse.

Among the technologically literate youth, mechanisms for obtaining unauthorized media are now common knowledge and BitTorrent is on the way to becoming a household name.

With this in mind the studios and their music industry counterparts are now embarking on a new educational drive. Wrapped up in projects such as “six strikes” in the United States, these initiatives aim to inform people that obtaining copyright material online without permission is illegal.

But education cuts both ways, and increasingly people are learning that it is the sharing or “uploading” of content that is what puts people in trouble. Uploading is built into BitTorrent so aside from a user employing IP masking techniques, little can be done about that. However, there are other ways of viewing movies and TV shows online, methods that are virtually 100% safe.

These days the “YouTube experience” is something familiar to most Internet users. Do a search, call up a page, press play and a video appears in the browser. But while YouTube specializes in general content there are dozens of sites that offer all the latest TV shows and movies in the same format and just as easily.

Fire up a site like Movie2K or TubePlus and not only are the perceived complexities of BitTorrent instantly removed, but also pretty much all of the risk too. No wonder they’re becoming so popular.

Movie2K

However, the rise of streaming sites isn’t going unnoticed. The industry-backed SOPA legislation would have allowed for harsh criminal penalties to be attached to streaming, had it not been defeated by a massive Internet revolt of course. But months on and the issue is now being raised again, on both sides of the Atlantic and beyond.

According to U.S. Register of Copyrights Maria Pallante, the legislative gap between downloading and streaming needs to be addressed.

“There is a gap in the law,” Pallante told a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet yesterday.

“Law enforcement can go after the reproduction or the distribution [of copyright material], and they can go after them in a meaningful way because they are felonies, not misdemeanors. Streaming, whether it’s a football game or music, is a misdemeanor,” she said.

pallante“If there is illegal streaming happening, especially in an egregious, willful, profit-driven kind of way, how do you get at that activity if the best that you can do is go after them for a misdemeanor?” Pallante added.

Although there is indeed a theoretical weakness in the law, one could be forgiven for thinking that wasn’t the case. The operators of streaming video portal NinjaVideo were all severely punished for their role in the site. Megavideo, a streaming service that needs no introduction, is currently the subject of the biggest copyright battle of all time.

On the flipside, other streaming and linking cases have been dealt with relatively amicably recently, including the conclusion of the U.S. case against UK resident Richard O’Dwyer and the amnesty given to operator of ChannelSurfing.

Of course the problem isn’t isolated in the United States. Over in Sweden, the spiritual home of The Pirate Bay, an interesting trend is developing.

Previously known as Antipiratbyran, Rättighetsalliansen (Rights Alliance) is well know for its anti-piracy activities. Just recently it scooped dozens of headlines with its demand that The Pirate Bay must get out of Sweden, but largely out of the public eye it also takes action against smaller sites.

But with their successes comes a flipside – as they continue to target file-sharing services, there is an increase in visitors to streaming sites.

“We can see that about 60 million movies were downloaded last year,” Henrik Pontén of Rights Alliance told SVT. “The latest figure we have on streaming is almost a year old, but then it was 20 million movies. It has increased since and we will soon get new statistics.”

Chasing down BitTorrent users in Sweden has its problems but the law is able to deal with those uploading copyrighted material, even if the punishments aren’t particularly harsh for an isolated user. However, those who watch streaming movies can do so with impunity. Not only can they not be monitored by anti-piracy outfits, but it’s possible that they aren’t even breaking the law either.

“Streaming is a growing problem,” says Pontén. “From the creators’ point of view, it’s irrelevant what technology is used, they lose sales and legislators have to deal with that.”

In any event, it seems that streaming is here to stay. Most of the sites providing the streams are outside the U.S. and Sweden and although they don’t say much in public, their operators don’t seem overly concerned about what the authorities think. Expect the activity to continue growing as more and more “strikes” warnings go out.

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  • BuddhaFacePalmed

    Stupidity at its finest… You’ve heard it here first, folks. Cuz goin after file-sharers wasn’t enough, streaming sites where people make legitimate earnings are also “filthy thieves”.

  • Annon

    piracy will never stop!

    just try to fuck with us you greedy pigs!

    • drooling

      Heh, I cant say it better :) .

      • FRee

        I don’t like streaming sites, they are only helpful when you want to see “random” videos. Just being able to find streaming sites when you actually want to download the video is annoying. That’s an ugly and unfair law, but if those sites disappear, I just hope more direct download sites go online.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      I hate to say it but if it ever becomes a Felony I know riots will break out in the streets and they will go right after the rich-ass bastards that started all this shit (MPAA etc) and they will be silenced the old fashioned way with a bat, gun or a board with a nail in it. See at that point everyone is on equal footing. It won’t stop until they are all DEAD and blood runs red into the sewers.

      • anon

        Considering that new reports are showing that Youtube is doing a BILLION of users each month, 1/6 of the planet’s population, I think they will be easy to stop !

      • Chilly8

        I must say again, that Klobuchar’s bill, if it were to be reintroduced and pass, would only criminalise the SENDING of streams, NOT the VIEWING of them. There is NOTHING in Klobuchar’s bill that would have made VIEWING streams a felony, just SENDING them. Got it now? Good

        • One-Eyed Willie

          Either way would result in the same.

        • Guest321

          Someone has to send in order for someone else to view, so its a moot point.

        • tsunku

          but don’t you know already? if they make it illegal in the usa then it’s automatically illegal everywhere in the known universe and 6 planes of existence and they will send the fbi after you!!! they don’t even care about little things of no importance like sovereign immunity or foreign laws, the fbi believes it has the power to police the entire universe! well except yemen where they were thrown out of and several european countries where they were also thrown out of for illegal law enforcement actions but those places mean nothing to the fbi!

        • Fakl

          That’s why they built a drone base in Saudi Arabia. If they can’t get into the country, they will use rockets to kill everyone they think is suspicious instead.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Here’s the problem.

          If you make it a misdemeanor to send, how do you deal with cases where the sending party does so in a nation where that is legal?

          The law will still be worthless unless you criminalize the recipient. And at that point you’ve opened a large can of very ugly worms indeed.

          Seeing as the BRIC countries (to name but a few) have nothing to gain and everything to lose by further accommodating the USA in arenas concerning IP, I find it somewhat hard to swallow that they would suddenly go on board in global cooperation which hasn’t been seen at any point in history, ever.

          Especially when such a treaty would in effect be a protectionist measure benefiting only certain parts of the G8.

      • UraPhake

        I hope someone, somewhere, has a working guillotine that can run in conjunction with a conveyor belt.

        I know that I’d love to watch a streaming video as the MaFIAA pricks take their last “ride.”

        Alas! My wish/prayer will likely never be fulfilled (you know, wish/pray in one hand and shit in the other hand and see which one fills first).

        Perhaps the makers of the movie, “John Dies at the End” should make a sequel (sort of) called, “Dodd Dies at the End.”

        • Guest321

          If they ever make a movie like that, it will be a runaway hit, an instant classic lol.

        • Guest

          I’d pay for that, even with DRM… just for the irony.

        • Guest

          I’d pirate it out of principles. Fuck DRM.

      • Pyrinder

        Or the mass majority will be completely oblivious, whine for a month, then just go on to the next thing that’ll make us even lazier. Remember, in the USA, the majority potentially rules but chooses not to and preferred to be raped instead by the smaller groups. The smaller the groups, the more seemingly important they are.

      • bobmail

        “I hate to say it but if it ever becomes a Felony I know riots will break out in the streets and they will go right after the rich-ass bastards that started all this shit ”

        Another TF choir boy suggesting violence as the result.

        You honestly have to be kidding. Do you really think there would be lynch mobs decending on Hollywood if streaming sites get shut down? That would be not only shocking, but perhaps the best indication that society as a whole has collapsed – caused entire by a generation who not only expects to be entertained for free, but apparently will get violent if you don’t.

        Don’t you think that this entire line of thought, even if common, isn’t more than a little dangerous and self-defeating?

        • MadAsASnake

          Well, you didn’t see the Anti-SOPA marches in Europe then? Doesn’t take much to escalate those sort of things. You see bobby, Europe has some painful memories of this sort of thing. No, MAFIAA are the specialists at a little dangerous and totally self defeating.

        • Guest

          Compared to your calls for prison rape and execution for alleged file-sharers? Hmmm… well, not much.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Do you really think there would be lynch mobs decending on Hollywood if streaming sites get shut down?”

          Not quite. But as we’ve seen with SOPA, PIPA and ACTA the legislation required to put that ‘simple measure’ into effect always has side effects.

          An anti-streaming law will do nothing to curb piracy even if it could be extended internationally, to every nation in the world (which is the minimum requirement) – getting your media elsewhere is a one-click install away, after all.

          However, in order to have effect, the ramifications will enable the usual slew of copyright trolls threatening fully legal venues used by the ordinary citizenry and taken for granted.

          At which point in time, when the first major social network gets affected, I’d suggest preparing for riots.
          Not restricted to internet issues either. The rodney king riots did NOT involve just equal rights activists – they got so big because there is, by now, quite a lot of people with grudges who will take any ten people tossing stones on the streets as a good excuse to break out the molotovs.

          We’ve been down this road before a few dozen times and as usual it seems you’re a little short on history.

          Would you consider a revolution and citizen’s uprising to follow over a little surcharge on tea?

          Would you believe India would secede from the british empire because of a tax on salt?

          In both those examples, people just like you were making assumptions that people will grump a bit, then get over it.

          And yet you keep failing to understand that even though you may have gotten the majority of the citizenry to repeat “copyright” until they take it for granted, not one person will hesitate to make a personal copy from a file offered by someone else. Or in the vast majority of cases, refuse to let someone make one.

          That makes this a pretty big issue. The only saving grace for you people being that so far all your efforts have been ineffective.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I don’t concur.

        See, every effort to curb piracy has failed. It’s just too laughably easy to circumvent. Meaning that anyone interested in good jurisprudence (like the TF crowd right here) tends to get bloody furious…

        …but the average filesharer simply goes ‘Meh, Whateva.’ because after five minutes worth of forum browsing he or she has the means and method to ignore whatever futile gesture the powers that be spent a few hundred million to lobby for and implement.

        By the time enforcement actually becomes “effective” the impact will be felt by far more than just filesharers as it will impact all operations online to the detriment of the average user.

        That is the point where we see riots breaking out and general unrest. Remember that what broke SOPA and PIPA were the side effects they would have on Facebook and other social networks.

        • bobmail

          “See, every effort to curb piracy has failed.”

          It’s hard to say that, because almost certainly without any opposition, piracy would effectively the only way to obtain content anymore. Efforts to curb piracy have slowed the growth, made it somewhat less desirable, and yes… the tide is changing (looking at you Spain!).

          Basically, the peak of piracy has likely passed, because the tide is shifting against it. It’s a slow process, but it is happening.

          “That is the point where we see riots breaking out”

          if the riots break out because of a lack of bread and circuses, it will be truly sad to see our society ripped apart by people upset because the cake isn’t delivered for free anymore. Truly sad.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Efforts to curb piracy have slowed the growth…

          This, right after claiming you can’t measure it? Wrong on both counts – the people indulging in “piracy” is the same proportionate percentage it always has been. This has not changed from the days of the sneakernet. It’s not very sensitive to either “reeducation efforts” or legislation.

          “and yes… the tide is changing (looking at you Spain!).”

          A hugely unpopular law, ignored by every citizen, in flagrant contrast with existing legislation…and which still leaves the untrammeled full-fledged use of every filesharing client in existence untouched, is change? Better, I think, to look at the US where it is quite clear you’ve reached the end of your rope. With piracy still untouched.

          Or France where the “successes” of HADOPI are comparable to being paid a dollar for the entertainment shown by burning a bundle of 100′s.

          And then on top of that, this…

          “…if the riots break out because of a lack of bread and circuses, it will be truly sad to see our society ripped apart by people upset because the cake isn’t delivered for free anymore. Truly sad.”

          I can agree with the conclusion. That opinion I share also. However, I confess amazement at your ability to even phrase it as a question.

          In 2009 it was demonstrably shown that US banking was a house of cards where self-serving shortsighted managers were using the 401(k) of every citizen as a gambling chip at the roulette wheel.

          This had been known for decades and no one had bothered to do more than go ‘Meh’ about it until the point where the average citizen found his pension savings under imminent threat.

          When the twinkie was set to vanish from the supermarket shelves, wal-mart got picketed by millions almost instantly. The lesson to be learned here is that the public herd will remain calm under a ‘panem et circenses’ paradigm, almost no matter what is done to them otherwise.

          That’s why it’s very hard for the pirates to get much done when what is at stake is “only” mass surveillance, the circumvention of human rights and abolition of personal integrity.

          But when a piece of anti-pirate legislation also threatens facebook the uproar is such that previously convinced congressmen and senators decide to drop the already agreed-upon legislation like a bad habit.

          What part of human condition did you fail to grasp? All of it?

          Sometimes I think the worst part about you adherents of the first church of copyright is your abysmal failure to realize that homo sapiens is still the same animal it always has been. The world does not move according to ideology unless said ideology can act in parallel with human nature. Which is why you keep losing.

          Seriously, bobmail…you need to stop letting your “opinion” guide you to conclusions. You will keep getting disappointed when reality refuses to back it.

    • JordanKratz

      Well, I am really wondering why really smart IT People have not gone and done a Wikileak on the Corrupt large Studios.Common knowledge they rip off their own investors, stars, crews, corrupt politicians, and screw us Consumers.
      Someone must come forth and do this ! Make their dirty laundry Public now !!! That is how you fight these MAFIAA Fuckwads.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I’m sure there’s some anons out there who would love to do just that. Here’s the problem though;

        Hollywood isn’t a single entity. Nor is the “copyright enforcement” sector. We’re talking about dozens upon dozens of agencies, ranging from the likes of Prenda law, ACS:Law, Aiplex, all the way up to the BSA, the MPAA, the RIAA, the Ifpi, etc and so on and so forth.

        Aside from the fact that they all bash pirates, these guys are all competitors in one way or other. It’s not like anyone breaking into the MPAA’s computers would find some grand master plan outlining their next steps or their partners in crime.

        When we are talking about the “copyright industry” we use that term loosely, because anyone even looking at it casually sees it’s not a single monolithic entity – no matter how much the likes of “Anon” and bobmail would love to see it that way.

        On the level of organization it’s a vast horde of fools all madly scrambling in more or less the same direction, taking the opportunity to trample each other when no one’s looking.

        And on the level of teams within those organizations we’re looking at white-collar people all just doing some pointless task like collating lists, sending out notices, or passing papers to one another.

        There’s no “conspiracy” to reveal. Just random scatterbrained stupidity flowing in more or less the same direction – like a truckload of concussed lemmings going downhill.

        Even the likes of Chris Dodd are just pulling off figurehead acts and bleating messages they doesn’t realize the implications off, while cashing in the spot bonus each year for pouring cash into what people assume are the right coffers.

        Hell, the only people who actually have a clue about any form of “plan” might be the lobbying companies and possibly the heads of legal in the lawyer firms employed.

        And at that level, where they fuck up we have indeed found the guilty parties standing in court or facing disbarment in no few cases.

        See, Jordan, you’re here making the same mistake Anon and bobmail are – you’re assuming the enemy has a central leadership and a master plan. they don’t.

        All they have is increasing desperation, empty rhetoric, and a big war chest they try to empty into the hands of any stray confidence trickster who manages to tell them he can rid them of “piracy”.

        • JordanKratz

          What about attacking the shady accounting practices of the large studios ? We have seen some evidence on this but a full outing might be good ?
          What about looking for evidence in regards to Political Money given out by large studios ?

          Would doing those things help ?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          There’s a wikipedia entry on “Hollywood accounting” – the practice is very well known and also regrettably legal.

          All you would find is a list of enforcement and lobbying companies, like ACS:Law, Aiplex, and Prenda.

          Of which, if accused, the MPAA would simply throw their hands in the air and carole “Oh, my goodness me what villains! We would NEVER employ such untrustworthy and unreliable people. How COULD we have known?”.

          See, any company performing real dirty work for the MPAA/RIAA will be in another country, hard to reach (Aiplex) and under an official contract which makes it pretty damn clear both parties are expected to abide by the law.

          That you’ll find an Andrew Crossley or a Prenda Law’s worth of unhung crooks doing dirty jobs in order to earn their consultants fees is something you’ll never be able to smack any part of RIAA/MPAA with.

          You won’t find any mention in any computer of one CEO asking an Aiplex tech to “fuck up TPB”, for instance. The RIAA/MPAA executives simply hire people they know to be slimy bastards to perform a job and then pretend they see nothing of how the work is done.

          To use an example, if you hire a private detective for a job the detective will fulfill that job according to his work ethics.

          If you offer the dope-dealing neighbourhood thug the same contract, said thug will perform the job according to HIS ethics.

          As long as you don’t know anything – plausible deniability – you’re in the clear.

  • Guest

    “Not only can they not be monitored by anti-piracy outfits, but it’s possible that they aren’t even breaking the law either.

    And therein lies the problem. In the nascent police state New World Order, anything that isn’t already illegal must be made illegal. For the people’s protection and safety, of course. So the terrorists don’t win.

    • Violated0

      And to protect the children…

      • MadAsASnake

        It’s not illegal therefore we should make it soo. Great logic. Why don’t
        they apply it to assualt weapons and high capacity cartridges. That
        would protect more children.In a real way, not the BS MPAA way

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          No, MadAsASnake, that would protect the children in a real way, because criminals would just ignore those laws.

          Secondly, assault weapons are expensive as hell and few people can afford them. The thing that they are calling assault weapons now are SEMI-AUTOMATICS, equivalent to my .22 pistol and rifle which hold 13 and 15 rounds.

          Banning guns does NOTHING but take things out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and make them targets for criminals.

        • MadAsASnake

          Make guns (intended use to kill people) widely available, and some assholes will use them as intended. The steady flow of shootings in the US (and other heavily armed countrys) is testimony to this. Guns are not legal in the UK, and guess what, shootings are rare.

        • http://www.facebook.com/RobMichetti40 Rob Michetti

          @ Mad, actually you are incorrect about a decline in gun violence. Just look at Juarez Mexico, they average 3.1 gun related DEATHS every day!(as of 2012 stats) Not to mention how many dont die, just get wounded and yet the citizens arent allowed to own guns. Seems like their “gun control” policy is doing well huh?? And thats just one city. Imagine if you combine the numbers from all cities, the amount would be staggering.

        • MadAsASnake

          Juarez is in Mexico not the UK. Another country flooded by guns, many gun deaths. 3.1 wouldn’t be far off UK in year

        • trudy

          With the way The US government is treating its citizens with copyright enforcement… Is a damn good reason to have assault rifles and high capacity cartridges. :)

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      All according to the napoleonic code. Want to bet there is some french legislation a century or more old at the basis of this new legislative push?

    • http://twitter.com/SteveCall5 Steve Call

      til I looked at the check of $8458, I did not believe that my mother in law was actualie taking home money in there spare time from there computar.. there neighbour haz done this less than twenty months and a short time ago paid the mortgage on their place and bought a great new Ford Focus. this is where I went,……….. BIT40.ℂom

  • http://twitter.com/nptrombe nptrombe

    Good luck on catching every man woman and child who ever streamed a video….oh snap thats like everybody. better build a prison able to hold almost, if not all the worlds population, dumbass

    • Chilly8

      Another one who does not undestand Kobuchar’s bill. Her bill only made SENDIND the streams a felony, it did NOT criminalise VIEWING the streams.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Another one who does not understand the ramifications of said bill, I would say.

        Do you realize how many people that criminalizes? Or how it has to be enforced?

        • Chilly8

          But it only criminalises those who SEND the videos, notthose who VIEW them, or at least the Klobuchar bill would have.

          Also, said streaming would have to be for commercial or financial gain, so the hobbyist streamer who streams, say, the local ball game, without any intent to make profit would not have be committing a felony.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “But it only criminalises those who SEND the videos, notthose who VIEW them, or at least the Klobuchar bill would have.”

          The bad point about wiretapping a two-way connection is, well, that you unavoidably listen to BOTH ends.

          “Also, said streaming would have to be for commercial or financial gain, so the hobbyist streamer who streams, say, the local ball game”

          Nope. We have the cheat sheet in hand from multiple jurisdictions. The key issue here is that local copyright trolls always want to view any commercially produced or sold content or access as “commercialized”.

          Hence “streaming a football game” – or even providing the link to such a stream – will get you in hot legal water under any bill, even when it remains simply unlawful.

          What actual criminalization does, however, is that the suspicion of a crime opens the door for house searches, wiretapping, and all the other kind of goodies the 4th amendment usually protects you from in a civil suit.

          And of course, if someone streams anything by a recognizable protocol, you would then de jure have probable cause for a search. Even if what you stream turns out later on to simply be your own vacation films.

          Realize this to begin with. Criminalizing anyone either sending or receiving mere information is in itself a frigging HUGE step. A bad one.

  • https://kat.ph/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

    Who gives a shit most streaming video quality sucks unless you have at least a 20 mb down cable connection or better anyways and I’d still rather download the actual 720p or 1080p mp4 or mkv video on one of my 16 hard drives because then I can watch it as many times as I want on my BluRay player or Smart Tv without wasting bandwidth by streaming it multiple times and the quality is superior to streaming video and NO buffering bullshit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

      No one cares what you own. Also you don’t even need 8mbps to stream 1080p reliably.

      • https://kat.ph/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

        Guess what I don’t give a rats ass what you think and most STREAMING VIDEO SUCKS. I got a 15 Mbit down cable internet connection here and when streaming 1080p or 720p it will pause several times and say buffering!!! FUCK that bullshit. Oh and I got a Core I7 3960 Extreme 6 core cpu liquid cooled with 32 GB of ram and 12 TB of hard drive space and dual Nvidia 680 GTX graphics card in SLI mode. What do you have a pentium II with 16 mb of ram and a 10 GB hard drive?

        • DoobyDoo

          I find the irony of a pirate having enough cash to blow it on 32 GIGABYTES and 32 TERABYTES of fucking memory and hard disk space and a top of the notch range graphics and CPU quite hilarious

        • DoobyDoo

          make that 12 terabytes of hard disk space

        • highboi

          Wait till we can 3d print

        • tsunku

          you can do that now already. wow you are behind the times!

        • highboi

          really? go buy a 3d printer, i never said we dont have the technology. its just not available to us

        • Who

          I really doubt 3D printing hits consumer lvl. the RIAA is already trying to stop business from using them.

        • highboi

          Unless i see pics with a fansign of the user’s username infront his pc, i wont believe him, on the otherhand my i7 3770k, 660gtx geforce (2way sli) 32gb, 4tb hdd(because who the fuck needs that much space) all built on asus deluxe pro and shit still lags until i blocke the the cdn and btw ill post pics of my computer if anyone really does care

        • Finish Him

          Nobody cares, we know that some people can buy expensive computers and many devices, so what?
          Go to some forum with a thread about:
          “Show Your Computer” and be happy.

          This will turn out funny if more and more guys like you, come here to brag about their computers.

        • highboi

          It’s not actually. It was more of a “no one believe you but hey everyone believe me” comment but I guess my friend is right. Not everyone see things the way I do. And unless I’m into hardcore CPU usage I’m good with any premade computer

        • UraPhake

          I have a 10-year-old Pentium 4 at 2.4 GHz with a 400 MHz FSB, a GeForce TI 200 GPU and 1 Gb of RAM and running the latest version of Windows XP Professional.

          Sure it stinks! But it gets done what I need to get done.

          Eventually.

          When it doesn’t crash while watching YouTube cat videos.

          With age comes patience.
          (My age, not the crappy computer)

        • placplacplac

          Cheers, brother in obsolescence

        • bobmail

          Buy more ram. You could more than double performance by moving up to 4 gig (well, 3.5 gig, as windows will murder the last bit).

        • Guest321

          Still using 32 bit OS I see.

        • Who

          the CPU that UraPhake mentioned can’t use a 64bit os, its to old.

        • P4 Times

          Heh, I have a Pentium 4 – 2.0GHz
          and it doesn’t crash, only thing it can’t deal is
          720p, 1080p videos. 720p videos only run slow
          and 1080p slowest.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          I’d suggest saving up for a new desktop. Building your own you can get yourself a decent gaming PC at a price range of 400$. Possibly even lower.

          http://elitegamingcomputers.com/good-cheap-gaming-computer-builds-for-2013/

          If you only want it for surfing, you may be able to cut the price by as much as 30% again – no GPU required and you can shop for an even older AMD core and mobo.

          Honestly… my cell phone actually has more horsepower than the rig you just described…

        • Who

          hell Ive 2 similar setups just like that.

        • MadAsASnake

          Moores Law will turn it into an old slow bucket in a couple of years, don’t worry.

        • UraPhake

          It’s a “monetary shift” from using money to buy the media to using the money (instead) to buy the system to operate the media…

          Wait…wtf did I just say?

        • icec0ld

          I see no irony. Pirates tend to be the biggest consumers of the material they pirate so their possessions reflect their attitudes and interests.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Quite a lot of pirates have that amount of cash.

          Those of us who are professionals working IT generally speaking tend to build pretty good systems.

          The irony is rather that those of us with jobs, expertise, and cash also tend to be the ones more interested in “piracy” from the point of view that the anti-pirate legislation is inhuman and offensive, because after working the job and activism, who the hell has the time to spend on media?

        • funny

          Do you have a flux capacitor?

        • highboi

          Look up cdn or content delivery method, buy(or pirate) a firewall and block your isp’s cdn ip range. Cdn is also the cause of youtube rebuffeding when you hit fulls screen

        • funny

          No it’s not, it’s the method of streaming they’re using switching from one bit rate to another for full screen.

        • highboi

          If your willing to let me prove you wrong, read the comments

          Also, bitrate changes when you change 360,480,720,1080 etc…

          Downloaded videos have a specific bitrate, playin in vlc and going fullscreen doesnt convert my file to a new bitrate, it just stretches it

          http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13kmvd/have_time_warner_internet_but_can_barely_stream/

        • asshat

          360,480,720p is the resolution not the bitrate asshat

        • highboi

          YouTube videos have different formats on the server from mp4, mkv and even gp3. Changing the resolution loads a different format with, wait for it….. A different bitrate

        • Who

          BTW youtube changes that on the fly. that not how many different resolutions are posted for one clip.

        • highboi

          technically were both right but i dont feel like going more into it

        • Who

          agreed :)

        • Who

          OOPS sorry I miss read. /cry

        • highboi

          no problem

        • MKV

          avi, mp4, mkv and similar extensions are not formats, they’re only video containers, you can easily change a video from avi to mkv without reencoding. MKV has more advantages, because you can attach any necessary file inside that video container.

          BTW, there are no MKVs on Youtube.

        • highboi

          It will accept mkv as uploads, but will convert the playback video to mp4 or flv along with the encodings, sorry i didnt clarify enough

        • highboi

          proof:

          http://i.imgur.com/AEIfhNO.png
          http://i.imgur.com/ih3eORC.png

          this is from a random video i clicked on youtube.

          if you look at the first link, you would see the different available formats available to this specific video.

          if you look at link two, you would see the different bitrates per video. sorry mr asshat but your name suits you more than it does me

          its hard to win an argument against someone that does their research

        • Who

          resolution is NOT bit rate dip shit. learn how to encode bore for you open your mouth.

        • highboi

          so your telling me bitrate has nothing to do with video quality?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “buy(or pirate) a firewall”

          Uhh…why not use any of the free alternatives to begin with? Of all things to pirate…a firewall…?

          Bit like suggesting pirating a linux distro imho…

        • bobmail

          I have to figure with all of that stuff, you could afford to pay for a movie now and again. Or are you going to use the old “I am too poor to pay for content” excuse?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          No, I think we’ll go with the “Why should either I or the party I’m dealing with pay a third party for making a copy of our own property?”.

          You’re still not comfortable with how property law works, nor how copyright law is actually written, are you?

        • Who

          FUCK YOU

        • https://kat.ph/user/SCSA420 StoneCold420

          Yeah actually I have bought quite a few BluRay movies and PS3 and PC games and have gone to see a few quality Rock Concerts over the last year because If I download something and Its good then I go to the store and buy it to support the creator for a job well done but if its crap I won’t buy it. GOOD products deserve support but CRAP products deserve the trash can or less. Sad but true.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Problem with that, StoneCold420, is simple. You can have a Cray XK7 and a 100 Gbit/sec link but still get bottlenecked by either the sender or one bad intermediate on the tracert path.

          That’s why bittorrent streaming promises a lot better results as it has the chance of eliminating bottleneck points.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

          No you don’t.

        • Who

          he may have got one before intel had them pulled.
          now there on ebay for 1k ish.
          Ive got a core i7 quad with only 6gigs ram and 3 tb hdd on a 3mb cable connection and streaming is a real pain.

      • Pierat

        yes you do. netflix REQUIRES @ least 6mbps MIN for 720 streaming. 8+mbps for 720 reliability streaming and still it will not be 100% reliable streaming.. as for 1080, you need @ least 10mbps. that’s Y wireless networking must be in the gigabits range for ANY HD streaming.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

          Just….no.

        • Who

          Just….yes, have you even used Netflix streaming service?

    • Guest321

      Just because you and I don’t do online streaming, means nobody else in the world has any use for it, so I don’t care if they make streaming a felony. How shortsighted can you be? You are the kind of people the MAFIAA relies on to pass such draconian laws that keeps taking away bits of our freedom inch by inch.

  • http://twitter.com/AmericaFreeTV AmericaFree.TV

    The reproduction or the distribution of copyright material should not be a felony. That should be a civil, not a criminal, matter.

    • tsunku

      mpaa would prefer they were allowed to kick in the doors of ppl who are streaming or bittorrenting and shoot them dead because that’s another dollar that isn’t going into studio execs pockets that they can cheat the real workers in the movies out of.
      it’s not about the artists or the workers at all, it’s about protecting the expensive cars and mansions of the execs, screw the workers, artists, and ppl who invest in movies, they are only leechers trying to suck off the hind tit of the awesome studio execs.

  • Guest

    This people have invested enough into courts and lawmakers to make sharing a song with a friend more punishable than breaking into a store to take away their CD’s.
    Getting opposition to a big international treaty wasn’t that hard.
    It would have broken the internet in a day.
    But they might just pass laws and precedents to get the same results one by one.
    And they will break the internet, more slowly.
    Unless stopped.

  • http://twitter.com/jrodwyer Julia O’Dwyer

    fyi Streaming/linking is a misdemeanor not a felony >> extradition is not even possible for a misdemeanor!

    • Anyone

      you should have learned that the MAFIAA doesn’t care what the law actually says

      • MadAsASnake

        And nor does the US DOJ, apparently.

  • OccamsKatana

    WTF. And if 80% of the population is doing it, the prisons will very soon become overcrowded…. Oh, wait…. too late. Let’s criminalize humming a bloody song while we’re at it!

    • Guest

      In some countries, the prison system is privatized, so there’s actually a profit incentive for incarcerating more people. Think about that. The more people the new laws put in jail, the more money the corporations that own the prisons make.

      • Anyone

        just in the US
        in civilized countries it isn’t that bad

      • OccamsKatana

        But who PAYS for the incarcerated people? Ya can’t put everyone in jail, regardless of who collects the money. Someone has to pay for it.

        Same thing as the mass troll lawsuits. Let’s sue everyone in the United states, for the modest sum of $200,000.00. Let’s bankrupt every single person that the economy needs to survive…. How fast do you want to bankrupt an entire country?

        Criminalizing downloading and/or streaming will just about do it.

        • Sun

          Looks like you don’t know that prisons are businesses in USA. What about war on drugs? Where people can easily get a life sentence for an small amount of drug.

          Just read this:
          “The Prison Industry in the United States: Big Business or a New Form of Slavery?”

          http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

        • Chilly8

          Again, Klochar’s bill did NOT criminalise the VIEWING of streams, only the SENDING of streams.

        • Noneone

          This is just the first step, then they move to the next step to make viewing illegal.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Again, that’s still a very bad piece of proposed legislation as the ramifications move quite a bit beyond it – to begin with, it makes every computer initiating a TCP/IP handshake a suspect in a criminal case.

        • marxmarv

          Same as Prenda Law: make people pay for their own punishment. Yes, that’s really a thing in the US.

        • tsunku

          the eventual plan is to have soldiers in every home to monitor what each citizen is doing. you will be required to feed this soldier and even pay him as well. they have already decided the constitution is in the way and are working on getting rid of it so this can all come about. then they will change the name from usa to ussa…

        • Guest321

          “But who PAYS for the incarcerated people?”

          There’s a vicious cycle in this business which includes the bail bondsmen. There are many agencies scattered all across USA which pay for bail bonds against a 10-20% fee. So the more people law enforcement agencies are able to incarcerate, the more these bail agencies benefit who are in direct cahoots with the agencies running the prison. Commissions are in set in place all the way from the top right down to the bottom feeders.

          Now you know why USA has one of the largest prison population in the world.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      Well you did not pay for that song did you?! Now your sharing it with others by your infernal whistling and they are not paying??? Outrageous Sir! Outrageous!! lol /s

    • Chilly8

      Klobuchar’s streaming bill did not make VIEWING the streams a crime, only SENDING them, and then only for profit.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        A lot of bullshit.

        Every copyright bill ever placed on the table contains the notation “only for profit”.

        Tell it to Jammie Lee Thomas. Or to the grave of Aaron Swartz.

        • Chilly8

          There is a difference, They were doing heavy duty comemercial level stuff. The person who only watches a video, but does not send it or redistribute it, would not be covered under Klobuchar’s bill. In the case of Thomas and Swartz, you are dealing with commercial legal infringement, which merly watching a video, or sending it without any intent to profit, is not.

          The SOPA version did not have the requirement that it be for commercial gain, and that is what we need to watch for as the next felony streaming act is introduced.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “In the case of Thomas and Swartz, you are dealing with commercial legal infringement,”

          Translated as “I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about”?

          Jammie Thomas was using Kazaa to download music with. as commercial as the average citizen on a bittorrent client.

          Aaron Swartz was downloading research data which had been paid for by public taxes with the intent on making it available for everyone.

          Commercial? LIKE HELL

          “The SOPA version did not have the requirement that it be for commercial gain…”

          No, what we NEED to watch out for is when someone pushes for legislation to have a CIVIL act of unlawfulness changed into a CRIME which carries a different set of circumstances.

  • Movie Lover

    What a miserable website this is…..

    Every news story seems to be a bad news story that generates long streams of angry hysterical commentary, all very unpleasant and littered with F words.

    Is there ever anything positive to report or nice things to be said? Movie and music lovers are usually an enthusiastic bunch that banters warmly about something they have seen or heard… Some things get criticised of course but that’s only some of the time.

    This is my first and last visit! The thought of spending time any time here in the midst of all this negativity is too unbearable to contemplate.

    My advice to everyone is just Change – do something positive – all this can’t be any good for your state of mind!

    • Ruben

      Please stop spreading the negativity you are talking about …its contagious …

    • Wallace

      “Every news story seems to be a bad news story that generates long streams of angry hysterical commentary”

      Beating up on masochists who pretend to be pro-copyright shills is our Two Minutes’ Hate. File-sharing is a pretty boring topic now that it’s essentially legal. Can’t we at least have this?

    • Fuckem

      fuck off

    • Guest

      Yeah, that’s ironically the most negative comment I’ve ever read on Torrentfreak. And that’s including the shit trolls say.

      • Extra

        Usually, pro-copyrighters are positive,
        when they read news like this

    • UraPhake

      Shit and for fucks sake!

      We’re NOT movie and music “lovers.” (Gawd, you make that word sound like Ellen DeGeneres and Rosie O’Donnell are having a baby together the way you use it)!

      We’re file sharing fanatics!

      On a POSITIVE note: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Oh, who am I kidding? I hope you fall down the fucking stairs!

      Also, I’m positive that bitching and moaning is good for the state of my mind (such as it is). The meth I’m not too sure about, though.

    • Guest321

      As long as the MAFIAA is alive, there will never be many positive news. That’s why we need to join forces in order to dismantle the copyright cartels and take back our freedom.

    • ScrewEwe2

      “Is there ever anything positive to report or nice things to be said?”

      Fuck No. Goodbye.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Is there ever anything positive to report or nice things to be said?”

      Not so much, anymore. Thank the copyright industry for that.

      “Movie and music lovers are usually an enthusiastic bunch that banters
      warmly about something they have seen or heard…”

      For the last ten years we’ve heard the copyright describe us as “thieves”, “pedophiles” and call us every bad name under the sun.

      What we’ve “seen” so far is inhuman lawsuits and criminalization attempts which make the “war on drugs” seem laughable.

      Warm banter? Only when Hollywood burns to the ground by now. Hell hath no fury like that of disillusioned fans.

      “My advice to everyone is just Change – do something positive – all this can’t be any good for your state of mind!”

      Oh, we are. And once we’ve done it, our state of mind will recover quite fast.

  • ???

    This whore can read nine thick books about Copyright but can’t even be bothered with the Bill of Rights?

    • marxmarv

      She’s not being paid to consider the Bill of Rights. Arguably, she got her position precisely because the only part of the Constitution that matters anymore is the Commerce Clause. Welcome to the United States of Ferengi.

      • TNGFan

        LOL United States of Ferengi. Good one. Caveat Emptor!

    • tsunku

      she can’t even be bothered to really read about copyright! she thinks it’s solely for the use of corporations and the ppl have no rights. yet copyright was invented to further the public’s rights to knowledge of science and the arts not to line someone’s pocket or stifle speech! that woman is a shill for the mpaa and should be fired.

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  • http://twitter.com/ReformedRider K. Tanner

    File sharing will not go away. It will only become better. With the pressure from the trolls the community will be forced to come up with new ways to make it more private. The industry doesn’t realize it, but they are only making it worse for themselves. They must adapt or lose profits. Music and movie business will never be the same now that the internet is here. They need to get over it. Either adapt and offer movies and music at a low cost via streaming (like spotify has done with music) or get left behind. When the opportunity cost of paying a few bucks a month for a streaming service is lower than the cost and consequence of torrenting, only then will the music and movie industry see the profits come back. They must adapt and stop trying to change the way the world works now.

  • http://profiles.google.com/pianogamer Knut Harald

    Speed tickets aren’t too effective, maybe make speeding a felony?

    Great, then “felony” has lost all negative implication…

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      I was thinking “jaywalking”.

      A felony in Sweden, but one without a prescribed penalty and so completely useless.

  • Hiya_tiger

    Go fuck yourself, stuck up congress members.

  • icec0ld

    Outlaw YouTube? LOL good luck. Even Google wouldn’t stand this level of dickery .

    • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

      Though I don’t know how this will impact youtube; But hopefully it does, then google may finally do something.

  • Captain_Adulltt

    Glad to hear this is going to be a felony. Then we can check the traffic from your hacked VPN servers, “Andy” and “Ernesto” and put you thieving pirate scumbags in prison with the other thieves.

    • Guest

      Dull is right.

    • MadAsASnake

      Don’t you idiotts have more pressing things to criminalise. Like heavy Assault weapons?

  • Pelham123

    ““Streaming, whether it’s a football game or music, is a misdemeanor,” she said.”

    Someone is missing something here … “Streaming” is what the end user does and it’s not a misdemeanor. She must mean “making something available for other people to stream.”

  • Ridic

    So let me get this straight: Instead of offering an official streaming service themselves they’d rather spend all their money fighting a fight they can’t win? Beyond ridiculous, beyond ridiculous…

    • marxmarv

      The target isn’t necessarily the objective. Think about that.

      • Pierat

        do you even know what the objective is?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          We can guess.

          As usual the main target (from the copyright church point of view) is to circumscribe “streaming” with legal barriers making small independents unable to function in that area, ensuring competition does not happen.

          From the government viewpoint the main point of view is “We’re too lazy to read and understand the ramifications of the bill we were just handed by the lobbyist, but are deathly afraid that not introducing it will mean our next campaign isn’t funded”.

    • One-Eyed Willie

      They don’t want to do that because then they can’t sue people for ridiculous amounts of cash!

  • anonymous

    palante had the best opportunity in years to correct some of the wrongs with the copyright laws but has chosen to go down the road of her former employers, the entertainment industries, and further enhance their demands. what a shame, but not unexpected, i am sure. this is what happens when the revolving door between those industries and the government is so easily pushed round

    • marxmarv

      That’s what happens without direct democracy. Representative democracy is neither representative nor democratic, but a mere paint job over the plantation system.

      • MadAsASnake

        Rule of law, freedom of speech and a liberal mindset in the judiciary (you can unless it harms someone else) are far more important than a truly democratic electoral system.

        • PadThai2

          Rule of law – Who writes the laws?

          Freedom of speech – Who owns the press?

          The judiciary – Who runs the courts?

          Also, it’s telling that Congress has time for this. At this rate you may as well not vote. Your vote will be meaningless the minute your “representative” gets his yearly bribe.

  • dondilly

    One danger, especially the way how the doj likes to pile on charges is there is risk of judicial abuse. While a private collection of infringing works is not illegal (it is distribution that is illegal). Anyone with the misfortune of being raided is potentially at risk if they have movies stored on a server to wireless lying stream to say a tablet could be at risk of felony charges, worse still if their wifi is seen as insecure.

    • Chilly8

      You got one right, it is only the distribution, or in this case, the SENDING of the stream that would be illegal, not viewing or recording it. You are about the only one here that gets it right

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        And you are the only one who apparently missed how such legislation must, in effect, work.

        Either it is toothless or it becomes the one law which allows every transmission made to be grounds for a direct wiretap of all transmissions.

        Usually this was only the case where national security was concerned.

        • Chilly8

          Wiretaps can be defeated by encryption. There are even proprietary schemes that some anonimity services use now that make will make VPN obsolete, if these schemes ever catch on.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          That is correct.

          However, that option vanishes into thin air when at the mere suspicion that what you are sending might be a stream, the FBI has free reign to run a RAT on your computer hardware.

  • Simple

    I have simple solution for this problem Media Industry why you not buy said sites and exploite them yourself since you claim they make huge bundles of money

    P.S. – Just don’t forget to pay me for the solution since I copyrighted it (or you’ll be prosecuted to the end’s of the world)

  • MadAsASnake

    There is a serious education problem. These people that seem to think ever harsher laws and criminalisation are the way forward need to be shown, and understand that these sort of activities simply disgust the average citizen, and thus create exaclty the opposite effect to what they are looking for. If they stopped worrying about piracy and started thinking about the best way to monetise media on the Internet, everybody would win. This sort of thinking, unfortunately, is way beyond them

    • marxmarv

      No, they know exactly what they’re doing. They’re not interested in monetization. They’re interested in externalizing their costs of enforcement. It sure won’t be the MPAA paying $30k/yr to keep someone in jail.

  • FenkZenk

    Well, ya gotta love those fresh calls, I mean like for real. Wow.

    WebAnon.da.bz

  • dlovin123

    I’d willingly pay $5 for a 1080p digital download of a new movie… But not $30 for a Blu-Ray. Get with the times Hollywood… Update that model already.

    • Fuckem

      That sounds almost reasonable… if they would allow refunds if you can prove you watched less than half the movie because it sucked balls… then, maybe $5…

      • Guest321

        You will never get a refund. Considering how few good movies Hollywood actually makes in a year, the refund model would never work for them. The current business model of scamming users works out much better for them. How else will Chris Dodd be paid $3 million next year if we all ask for refunds?

    • Anyone

      I still wouldn’t buy most movies even at that price

      barely any movies are worth paying for these days, and those I go see in the cinema (and “pirate” them later on)

  • The Father

    I AM COMING

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  • Eddy Least

    Can anybody clarify this to me. A BitTorrent user itself never shares the full file but bits of it, therefore making it a felony and going for a single user it’s like going for a cocaine dealer instead of the provider. There’s something very odd here since itself sharing files through bittorrent can never identify you as the source of the material but merely a conduct. If DMCA and safe harbour is applied to hosting providers, why this cannot be applied to bittorrent users too…
    Eduardo Altamirano

    • funny

      If you look at it that way may as well argue that it is not copyrighted works but a stream of bits that electronic devices interpret and use electricity to display picture onto a screen.

    • Guest321

      Try making the technology challenged judges understand all this stuff. It will go right over their head. Then again, when the MAFIAA is paying them good money to remain illiterate, why will they bother to learn anything?

  • josh1073

    People need to stop shooting people in public and cap these fuckers, its not about protecting the artists work its simply control they have spent more money trying to control the web than piracy has taken. The people in the usa fort for freedom from the king now you are gonna let the fat cats dictate your freedom?

    • MadAsASnake

      What? When did piracy cost them any money?

  • Guest

    “Streaming is a growing problem,” says Pontén. “From the creators’ point of view, it’s irrelevant what technology is used, they lose sales and legislators have to deal with that.”

    Nope, just like piracy in general steaming is harmless. But you have to lie to the creators and say it’s the boogeyman that steals their sales so you can keep getting work, Mr. Ponten.

    Maybe I should start a similar business and tell artists I’ll protect them from the evil gnomes living in their closests? All for a huge fee, course.

    If it works for you then why not me?

    • Guest321

      The artists are obviously dumbasses as they refuse to learn the truth and keeping falling for the bullshit MAFIAA feeds them.

    • SCP-914: The Clockworks

      Well, I do agree that streaming/cloud is a growing problem… However, the problem is really with consumers losing rights to what they pay for. Think about streamed versions of movies, music, and games. If the company decides to shut down its servers or go out of business, consumers lose access to what they paid for. Of course, there is more like connection problems, lag, and servers needing maintenance or being overloaded, data caps, etc.. Those are some of the problem with streaming. Not very fair for consumers. I can see why someone might want to make it illegal.

  • ralph

    I just don’t think hounding consumers with the Copyright Alert System or going after streaming websites is going to stop people from figuring out how to watch what they want when they want to watch it. This will backfire badly on Hollywood and the recording industry as consumers will educate themselves about the internet and their options.

    It seems really shortsighted of the entertainment giants not to change their business models now to accommodate consumers rather than treating them like worthless idiots. If they were smarter then most people wouldn’t even bother learning how to go around them–they would just happily pay and everyone would be happy.

    Dumb dumb dumb…it amazed me how stupid they are being.

  • marxmarv

    Felony, hmm? Is it only me that sees all this as a way to keep technology experts captive in the US and prevent them from escaping to less nasty, brutish nations?

    • MadAsASnake

      Only the worst parts of 1984.

    • Boring Phil

      Heh. The way you go on, anybody’d think the US had grabbed all the Nazi rocket scientists and gone on to develop and use nuclear wea- oh.

  • SCP-914

    Streaming becoming illegal? Well, better shut down Netflix and tell Sony they have to offer a true BC solution because Gaikai is illegal. Personally, I’d rather have retail products first, then downloads, and avoid streaming things I purchased. Streaming is okay for a rental service, but not for actually buying things, since they can be taken down pretty fast for whatever reason.

    Anyway, it’s best to have over your product on multiple mediums to maximize potential customers. Some people like DVD, others like Blu Ray, there’s also people who enjoy digital download from various sellers, and of course, there’s going to be people who enjoy streaming. Rather than making any of them illegal, companies should try to take advantage of them. It just means more sources of revenue that doesn’t involve time and money that could be spent offering more stuff being wasted in court rooms.

  • downunder

    that would also put Youtube in big trouble every day as many users with fake names and emails and ips will keep uploading stuff to get stuff out there thats being censored by the govs and main stream media.. its never end.. about time they gave up patrolling the net and go after the Pebos instead and save some cash on mpaa and spend it on a setting up a global tv show download site for $10 a month access to all the daily shows across all countries with world wide access/membership Problem solved.!

  • Who

    ya good luck getting this change, this inst MURDER

  • Starshadow

    if they make it illegal to stream we will have to watch vhs and i refuse to do that call upon internet freedom alliance tell them to stop it

  • placplacplac

    “they lose sales and legislators have to deal with that”

    Lie big and stick to it.

  • Mosquito

    Copyright laws = Another set of laws to generate wealth for the few… Laws driven by money for money…

  • ItsTheSasquatch

    Yes, something as trivial as sharing a ****ing movie should be a felony. Great idea. And people really wonder why Americans refuse to give up their guns? Their ruling class is making it quite clear that they need them.

  • seansd

    Ummm…..you realize there wouldn’t be a single government elected official left? They’d all be arrested and charged as felons.

    • ItsTheSasquatch

      Actually, no, they wouldn’t. Laws only apply to the poor, hence why Chris Dodd was able to admit to bribing Congress on live TV with zero repercussions.

      • seansd

        True. Those poor interns are going to be even poorer thrown under the bus.

  • Burned

    Put me in jail. At least then I’d have healthcare.

  • same

    ok let’s see, no downloading,uploading,streaming,not to mention you have to be afraid of anything posted on any social networking site……so what exactly is the internet good for? $60 a month to my cable company so I can go on yahoo and read the 200 different articles about how the lgbt community are. :/ fantastic

  • Boring Phil

    This kind of fuzzy rant isn’t helpful.
    Surely the strength of TF is built on facts. From this article, I can’t even tell whether there was a Congress hearing or not.

  • joj

    united state of nazist

  • hehe

    north korea of united states xD

  • Jack Ryan

    Wow: there’s sure alot @ssholes who want to lick my b@lls.

  • JordanKratz

    MAFIAA must have all their Dirty Laundry Wikileaked ! We need really smart IT people to out their dirt to the Public !

  • Oblong of Orange

    “Streaming is a growing problem,” says Pontén.

    “Streaming won’t be around that long, it’s old tech,” says me.

  • boral

    First Torrent sites and now Streaming sites…… after few days they will say that publishing any free content ( whether it be open source software or else ) is illegal as it is affecting their sales.
    First learn how to business and then come to do business… and piracy and streaming don’t reduces sales….. instead they uplift it.

  • townie2

    so if someone watches a streamed movie, they get a criminal record, cutting them out of most decent jobs, not permitted to enter most foreign Countries, etc. might as well rob a bank and make it worth your while.

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  • Anon

    Just shut down the Internet already. “Problem solved!”

  • Chilly8

    What people are getting confused about is Klobuchar’s bill vs. the SOPA version of the telony streaming line.

    The Klobuchar bill would not have criminalised merely viewing a stream, where the SOPA version would have.

    The Klobuchar bill would have required that the streaming be done as a business for profit, where the SOPA version would have deleted the “commercial or private financial gain” from the No Electronic Theft Act.

    People need to understand the differences between what was in Klobuchar’s bill and what was in SOPA.

    Also, Klobuchar;s bill, along with PIPA would have also made exemptions if a streamer made a “good faith effort” to block US IP addresses, something that was not in SOPA.

    Which version of the felony streaming law will appear in this Congress? That remains yet to be seen, but interesting times lie ahead.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “People need to understand the differences between what was in Klobuchar’s bill and what was in SOPA.”

      The difference being this: A hefty wedge.

      Criminalization of what used to be a misdemeanor means anyone even under suspicion will have police visits and impounded computers to look forward to.

      It’s quite unproportional.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    “Previously known as Antipiratbyran, Rättighetsalliansen (Rights Alliance) is well know for its anti-piracy activities. Just recently it scooped dozens of headlines with its demand that The Pirate Bay must get out of Sweden, but largely out of the public eye it also takes action against smaller sites.”

    That’s a lie, no such demand has been made.

  • Chilly8

    I would imagine that has brought a lot of hits to movie2k.to. One the open neighborhood WiFi router I run out of my apartment, it is the 42nd most visited site, today, so far, out of 803 total sites that have been visited on my Wifi hotspot today.

    So you guys certainly are bringing movie2k.to more visitors, I can say that.

    • Chilly8

      Stats are updates every couple of hours or so, and would love to see where Torrent Freak ends up in the standings. I had to enter a captcha code for the first time ever, on this site, just now, to post a comment.

  • cleargreen

    This brings to mind something I noted a few years ago…according to current laws you can get up to five years in prison for downloading a Michael Jackson song illegally… That is one full year more than the doctor received for killing him.

    This kind of logic is clearly why the new bill will pass…for as we all know, in a capitalist society the only thing that has no value is human life.

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  • http://news.mensactivism.org/ Jhon Deo

    Welcome to the drug war version 2.0. If she thinks by changing a few laws that the MPAA can make piracy disappear she’s delusional. Just as politicians that thought they could make drug use disappear by passing harsher penalties were denying reality.

    On a semi-related note I’d love to violently rape her. Who thought corporatist Nazi’s could be so attractive.

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    The opposite of Pro is Con. If Pro stands for Progress then what do you think Con stands for?! Any Thoughts…

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