Perhaps if he gave up his own slice of Turin Breaks profits to see them make more money his points may have some creedence.

Pirating isn’t killing music, it’s music industry types sucking their percentage from everything.

He won’t pledge his take back to the band, so why should we pay him?

I figure that the 20% he’s making would easily recoup their losses from downloading.

Will he do that? Hell no, he’ll probably spend it on cocaine and laugh in their faces as Turin Breaks starve.

Maybe they’d have a bigger audience if they gave their music away. Then all those people who couldn’t give a shit about them might actually listen to them and perhaps, just perhaps come to one of their gigs.

Bands don’t make much money from record sales these days anyway (and Turin Breaks probably don’t even recoup) – They make money from gigging.

Sounds to me like Paul Harris is trying to protect his slice of the pie, like a typical music biz shylock.

I am now trying to find Turin Breaks stuff to download ON PURPOSE. Not that I can find any, they are so unloved by anyone.

Get a life Harris. It’s people like you who us downloaders want to put out of a job.

That is, until covert video recording and fabbing tech improves to the stage where it can stop those revenue streams, too.*

Well, there’s always the “wandering minstrel” career pathway, I guess.

*I can just see Alan Ellis in court again in 2050. “But your Honour, I was merely running a pay upfront, invite-only indexing site for the sole purpose of posting links to popular fabbing blueprints. What, you mean some of those popular fabbing blueprints could create LICENSED products? Unbelievable. Oh, and yes, that 2 million GBP was for running my servers. All 5 of them.”

This kind of article makes me doubt the veracity of everything you write….

Then Google (and the other sites indexing tweets) would act as the index for torrents, all of which would be decentralized?

Furthermore, without links to copyrighted material, we would not be able to link to anything in Berne signatory countries, because everything is copyrighted automatically. But most people have more sense (and less greed) and permit such links without claiming that those links are infringing. Not that he appears to care for such trivialities as difference between copyrighted and copyright infringing…

Paul Harris’s letter was very understandable and I thought reasonably put…..great response Phishy….. among all the shite comments saying the same thing over and over again it’s good to see some bloody intelligence……honestly I think the only thing that would make me think twice about downloading are all the self-rghteous “principled” assholes on here talking about their freedom…..Jesus give me a fucking break…

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turinbrakes&search_type=&aq=f

Where the video/audio can be downloaded using a plethora of add-ons:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=youtube&cat=all&as=1&appid=1&lver=3.5&atype=0&pp=20&pid=0&sort=weeklydownloads&lup=

If you can’t build a decent, profitable business model despite piracy, read Trent Reznor’s advice… but you won’t accept the touring/merchandise argument because that means working every day… and let’s face it, Turin Brakes’s fans are probably too miserable to leave their own homes… so maybe it just isn’t viable.

Seriously though, you could put 2 buskers together, add a percussion layer and you’d end up with some of the horsesh!t that Turin Brakes produces. LMFAO!

Man, chill and take the time to look at this article. Perhaps will enlighten you. And written by a respected figure of contemporary music, Thurston Moore. And he also needs to eat and pay taxes.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.04/play.html?pg=3

“Once again, we’re being told that home taping (in the form of ripping and burning) is killing music. But it’s not: It simply exists as a nod to the true love and ego involved in sharing music with friends and lovers. Trying to control music sharing – by shutting down P2P sites or MP3 blogs or BitTorrent or whatever other technology comes along – is like trying to control an affair of the heart. Nothing will stop it.”

Oh, BTW, he’s now made his MySpace pages & pics private. Guess he couldn’t take the heat when exposed to the light of day.

I’ll be certain to ignore both him and any band associated with him (NOT that I had even HEARD of any of them to begin with!)

This crap begins to start becoming less humorous and just more annoying than anything.

Oops,shouldnt use bigger than or smaller than signs.

In the quotes…
2. mininova part
3. insert rest of the text

Letter starts out reasonable but:

1. Threat:
“then I advise you to invest in it before you are closed down or forced to remove all links.”

2. Lie/threat:
“”

3. Hypocritical, accusation and insulting:
“”

Only the last line maybe a real rant but the text is filled with assumptions about the mindset of the admin(s) WHILE at the same time mentioning the admin(s) shouldn’t make assumptions about him AND in the same sentence ACCUSING the admin(s) of doing just that. Most of the text is insulting especially the last part.

Yes, i did make an assumption about a “sir” but i just comment here, i dont send takedown letters. :-)
Also assumed this is the first takedown letter like the article says.

PS: Indeed there are no pictures to see anymore (maybe google but not worth the effort).

PS2: I wonder if his myspace page had embedded youtube links to copyrighted material of others like the employees of the dutch BUMA (monopoly on collecting money for artists) on Hyves who wanted to let people pay for embedding ? (If he did, he wouldn’t admit it anyway, nice making assumptions…)

Obvious troll is obvious.

If your record don’t sell well, it is due to downloaders and not for their inept ability to produce a decent material.

and definetly nothing FURIOUS!!! about it.

TorrentFreak, you shouldn’t over inflate and project. Don’t stoop to FOX&Co. and Record Industry tactics

tsk tsk

Mininova wasn’t the most uncooperative.. TPB is..

I feel for the guy, but his comments about mininova and saying that they WILL be the same, and the threat at the end make him sound like a retarded jackoff.

Also, just because i rent vans, dosen’t mean i know the intentions of those people who rent them from me. What a lame ass example.

P2P ftw!

Give me a break…

If you’re still reading this, maybe you can explain why the less than ten people downloading Turin Brakes music through bittorrent amounts to such a crisis that it provoked a threat-filled tantrum against filesharing from you.

Can you please educate us on how badly Turin Brakes are being hurt because less than 10 people are pirating their music?

I’d really like to know.

If I download it illegaly, it means I WILL NOT BUY IT, so stop wasting your time and money (the money that you make from us pirates, cause us too, WE BUY).

ORLY???
http://www.o–rly.com/owl_orly.png

The tape thing wasnt on a smaller scale 4 sure. Mixtapes got me and a whole generation into music.

It isnt 4 Mr. Harris i will stop buying his labels stuff. Its the fact the labelpeople keep calling me a thief.

I dont call myself a thief when im spending E 4.000 on music a year.

And yes, that billions number is complete crap, yet so is 9 thousand dollars a song, and that judgment is still in appeals(or is about to go to appeals?).

And yes, we liken this to tape trading “back in the day” (wow that ages me doesn’t it) but it’s different now, the scale on which this is taking place is staggering. Instead of fighting it, take it as an opportunity, the customers are showing you what they want, try to fill that niche, it has worked for others.

You’ve got to at least see where this guy is coming from right? I mean, if you can’t see his point, you are fooling yourselves.

“Have fun and if you must steal, at least enjoy the music you’re listening to.”

Its not stealing.
Its part of musicculture, just like hometaping was back in those days.

During my life [30 years as consumer] i spent E 120.000 at musicrelated stuff. Including some of your acts. Not enough ?

Well it is for me.
Wlll stop buying your stuff and not play it out as a DJ anymore.

Vis-a-vis all this crazyness, anarchy is the only way to live!!

Whether the damages could run in to billions is doubtful though: that is not a real figure, but one a over excited journalist and a lawyer made up to sensationalise the story based on RIAA fines to file sharers i think.

Anyway, it’s been fun, always interesting to read people’s opinions. Have fun and if you must steal, at least enjoy the music you’re listening to.

p.s. I took down my myspace and all those terrible photos. Hadn’t used it in ages.

It’s great to hear you do support music and the artists who create it.

P