And we probably crossed the 10,000-members-line together with the election.

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. This may be true to a large degree, and still would if you swapped ‘pirates’ in that sentence for e.g. truck drivers, baseball players or nurses.

I see many good arguments in response – not necessarily pro-piracy as such, but anti-copyright, a given or rather taken (or even stolen) right clearly separate from any natural rights!

Now I download movies, and I know a lot of people of my age (and olders!) that are also music and film downloaders.

Just a few thoughts about the question if most filesharer are really below 18?
I think not!

1.
1999, Star Wars Episode I got leaked and downloaded a few weeks before it hits the cinemas. It was the first time the media (in Germany atleast) covered the story of filesharing.
That was 10 years ago, so even if you where only 8 at that time, today you’re 18.

2. Someone I know works with children younger than 6 and sometimes tells me stories about it. One memorable one is a conversation with a kid about a new movie: “I’ve seen it at home, papa downloaded it!”

(a bit OT)
While you can argue about the pro and cons of a young child already getting familiar with the concept torrenting without really understanding the other part of it, watching a movie in cinema on the big screen, soft seats, good sound and Popcorn was always something special for me as a kid.

(back to Topic)

Conclusion:
People get older, filesharers do too.
And right now, somewhere, a new Pirate is being born. ;D

The whole idea of pirate parties is to ultimately change the law, and re-legalize things that have been arbitrarily pronounced illegal since the invention of the so called “intellectual property”.

How could the political will to change the laws be based in illegality? Don’t you know that changing laws through the legislative is the very basic foundation of democracy itself?

You may disagree because your income depends on draconian enforcement of copyrights and ruining the life of 10 years olds and grandmas; but should those draconian laws ever be repelled politically (unlikely, but not impossible either), there would be nothing illegal about it.

What pirate parties are doing is not only legitimate, it’s totally legal too (at least in democracies worth their salt).

Little pirates in Germany:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/piratenpartei/3906360235/

Has piracy even gone down a little bit since its beginning?

Yes the ‘we cant be stopped’ crowd are nuts.. but they are absolutely right..

Seriously.. don’t kid yourself into thinking some fantasy that all this will end.. you really need to think about that.

Unless serious privacy laws are broken.. this will never end and yes they ‘will not be stopped’. You are INCREDIBLY foolish to believe otherwise..

From the days where the bible was reprinted in basements.. to the future where we come up with ‘mind sharing’..

You are destroying your credibility with wild predictions of the future.. with no thought of the past or present.

rofl, straight from germany.

Together with me, lots of other people joined. We still are having a New-Member-Tsunami. Right now we have 9000 members in Germany and 1500 in NRW. And still no signs that the run decreases. We are now the 7th-but-largest party in Germany.

A few weeks ago, there were local elections in NRW and the PP was elected into the local councils of both of the towns where they nominated candidates (Aachen and Münster).

And even if we should not make the 5 % in the federal elections next sunday, I’m sure we will get a better result than the 1.5 % the Green Party got back in the 80ies when they participated in federal elections for the first time.

Elections for the state NRW are scheduled for may, 2010. I bet the parliament in Düsseldorf will then get at least a dozen PP-members. Among our core-items there is education (schools, universities, open access). In Germany, education is not a federal competence, but maintained by the states.

Here in Germany we are witnessing the birth of a new political movement as a part of the new global movement combining the ideals of human rights from the 18th century with the needs and chances of the 21st century.

Klarmachen zum Ändern! (is the PP’s german slogan – get clear for a change!).

Germany is the most important country in the EU — a Pirate vote for there will start an unstoppable avalanche. Go German Pirates!!!

“The sucess achieved here just like in the rest of the country might be due to the name that ‘sounds so cool’.”

Hand —> forehead

You keep showing us, and as a part of that group, you keep defending greed.

Maybe time for a little psychanalysis ?

http://microfreaks.sosblog.com/index.htm

RT
http://www.real-privacy.net.tc

quote:
Are they many adults who torrent?

thinkin about all the folks who share that i know and i would say that it’s equalized through the age group ,, 8-82 as far as i know ,, a general avg ;)

just for the record, the pirates don’t have a seat in the german bundestag. One member of the pirates is part of the bundestag, because he switched parties to the pirates, but officially this is not a pirate seat but a partyless one.

Poor boy :0)

Invasion of privacy on the internet is step 1. If successful, the next step could be invasion of privacy in your own home.
What if the government passed a law that said they are to put surveillance in every single room in your house? Or what if they break down your door any time they want and destroy everything in your house while looking for anything they deem illegal even though you did nothing wrong and broke no laws?
And they don’t have to have a reason at all? Then what Reasoned Mind? would you still say “the law is the law, and I don’t mind my privacy being invaded cause a few people break the law”?
If they want to stop “piracy”, they should keep going at the individuals who “pirate”, and not punish law abiding citizens who don’t “pirate”.

By the way…..how far did you get the pole vault pole stuck up your ass at the special olympics Reasoned Mind?