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Golden Eye Hit UK With Piracy Letters, First Innocents Step Forward

After a long and drawn out procedure, Golden Eye and associated company Ben Dover productions have finally begun sending out letters to alleged file-sharers in the UK. The letters, which contain claims of BitTorrent-related copyright infringement, ask those targeted to enter into a settlement arrangement with the company within 28 days. Failure to do so, the company says, could result in their case being taken to court. The file-sharing letters are the first sent out in the UK since the collapse of the notorious ACS:Law.

Golden Eye International, a company affiliated with the Ben Dover porn brand, has this week finally begun its “speculative invoicing” scheme in the UK.

The company has previously had a couple of shots at putting together a scheme to extract cash settlements from alleged file-sharers in the UK, but the latest has its roots in 2011.

The complex battle, which first went to the High Court then to the Court of Appeal, was finally settled in late December 2012 after a failed Open Rights Group challenge.

Golden Eye originally had around 9,000 IP addresses to match with the identities of account holders at ISPs O2 and BE, although how many of these will match with records at the ISPs remains to be seen. However, the ISPs have clearly matched several hundred so far since Golden Eye have already begun their campaign.

Last evening several worried individuals contacted TorrentFreak saying that they had received letters from Golden Eye asking them to settle a copyright infringement claim. Out of the four people we spoke with two said they had been taken by surprise and were totally innocent.

One individual was able to send us a copy of the letter he received. It contains an alleged date of infringement in the first half of 2011, more than 18 months ago.

“This letter assumes that you, as the Internet account holder at your address, were the
user of the relevant computer on the day and time in question,” the letter states, an assumption that cannot be backed up by any evidence.

Indeed, Golden Eye claims in their letter to have included an evidence report from their “forensic computer analyst”. Actually only a film title, IP address, plus date and time of the alleged infringement are included.

BenDover Evidence

Despite the weak evidence, Golden Eye still hope that their targets will roll over and admit guilt.

“Please state whether you admit that you have downloaded the Work and/or made it available for download by others and if so the extent to which you have done so and whether you are prepared in principle to enter into a settlement of the kind outlined above,” they write.

“If you deny that you have downloaded the Work or made it available for download by others, please explain the basis upon which you deny it, and provide the information that we have requested above about other users of the computer.”

Letter recipients should note they have no obligation to incriminate anyone else, it is up to Golden Eye to prove who carried out the alleged infringements.

Speaking with TorrentFreak earlier today, Saskia Walzel of Consumer Focus confirmed that Golden Eye have indeed been sending out letters this week.

“Golden Eye sent the first wave of letters, about 250, on Tuesday by 2nd class mail, the majority should reach consumers today, about 1 percent of the letters are expected to arrive tomorrow (about 1 percent of 2nd class mail is one day late),” she explained.

“Golden Eye is sending the letters in waves, so anybody who has received a letter from O2 or BE in December telling them that their personal data has been released, BUT has not yet received a letter from Golden Eye, is likely to receive a letter from Golden Eye in February,” Saskia adds.

Consumer Focus told us it was worth checking whether Golden Eye’s actual letter is the same as the letter approved by the High Court last year. TorrentFreak checked and some minor details aside the letter does appear to be the same.

So, what should recipients of letters be doing? We briefly spoke with a lawyer familiar with these cases whose initial and crucial advice was to “stay calm and admit nothing.”

Consumer Focus are also clear on their chosen approach.

“It’s really important that people contact Citizens Advice and respond [to the allegations],” Saskia explained, adding that the charity now has detailed scripts on how to deal with these allegations.

Citizens Advice can be contacted on 08454 04 05 06 or people can attend their local Citizens Advice Bureau. Letter recipients can contact TorrentFreak too, you can speak with us in complete confidence.

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  • ken147

    “Ben Dover”

    Huehuehuehuehuehuehue.

    • Toi

      Yeah, more like BenD over

  • Guest

    ugh.. I hate that idiot

  • http://twitter.com/CrAppl_dot_com St1ve Joebs

    Fucking vultures.

    I would call them filth but would probably get an email from the filth around someone’s butthole telling me that it’s offended.

    Sh!t, I see I have an email from vultures sitting in my inbox…

    • Andrew me

      Ignore any emails or letters. This is very important, if you get a lawyer involved, they, they could stretch this out for a while and it could cost you a bit of money. If it every ends up in court , which i doubt it ever will then you can get a lawyer to contact them, one that the EFF site recommends. But if you ignore the first demanding letter they will mark you as not worth the hassle, it is only the people who reply that they will go after those that know the letter has scared them enough to reply.

      • Guest

        Don’t you risk a default judgement if you just ignore the letters?

        I think a better tactic would be to deny that you ever downloaded their shit(which, with the unreliability of IP harvesting, you actually probably didn’t) and then dare them to send you another letter because if they do you will sue the pants off them.

        These scamming criminals want to end up in court even less than you do. Use that to your advantage.

        • http://twitter.com/MelanieAlberto5 Melanie Alberto

          Out of the four people we spoke with two said they had been taken by surprise and were totally innocent. http://www.Amazingjob69dollareveryhourontheinternet.qr.net/jOZj/125-fc4a-4d8=uPq7jVGPs3g&NR

        • Guest321

          No, you don’t risk a default judgement if you ignore these letters. These letters are NOT court summons. Anyone can send bogus settlement letters and its not your obligation to spare them your valuable time.

          Don’t spread misinformation please, it will only serve to confuse & scare those who are in need of help.

      • staner

        You cannot ignore the letter. It is a court sanctioned letter and is therefore legal! The key is you write a short denial and thats it. Read the speculative handbook. I must stress you should reply as they can potential get a default judgement on you!

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          Don’t they have to notify you that you’re being served if it does go to court?

          I don’t know UK law myself, but I’m pretty sure this is the case in the US.

        • ITakeYourPotatoChipAndHideIt

          [A] = Speculative Invoice
          [B] = Court Summons

          You can ignore [A] if you want, just not [B]. Default judgments can only happen if you ignore [B] and is a likely possibility. On the other hand, [A] is just an empty threat. Even if it’s not, the sender of [A] (aka the plaintiff) has to be willing to pay all the legal fees involved (most aren’t) and would have to also prove your guilt which isn’t easy to do. If you receive [A], you can write them a letter expressing your innocence and why. This can be risky if you’re not careful about what you say and how you say it. The smart thing to do would be to get a lawyer to write up a letter for you, or at the very least have one go over any letters you plan on sending. Make sure you keep copies of all correspondence, especially all replies you may get. If you don’t want to involve a lawyer after getting [A] then it would be in your best interest not to say anything to anyone.

        • n_mailer

          Exactly. Never ignore B, but in this case ignore A.

        • ITakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt

          Someone should play coy and ignore [A] then when [B] comes and they(mafiaa) drop the case; (someone)counter sue for harassment, and defamation.

        • Whatever

          I don’t see the need for “explain why”.
          I see no need in anyone who is innocent to explain anything beyond being innocent.

          If there is an obligation to answer those letters as in some article on TF it was mentioned the need to answer then they should pay handling/administration and material costs for bothering the innocent.

          Hope someone tries the following:
          “The cost of producing your requested reply including packaging and postage comes to an amount of 25 pounds. Please pay within 14 days to avoid increments and debt collection”

        • PiRat

          As an ACS veteran, the handbook is a must!

        • Gee

          they cannot get a default judgement if you ignore THIS LETTER.
          If they were going to take it to court, you would receive a court summons, and if you ignore the court summons would they be entitled to a default.

          So ignore away, unless you’re being summoned to court

        • Kiesha

          would amount to shit, default judgement I had on me 10 years ago, amount paid to date, $0…

        • Kiesha

          was for credit cards, they went and got default judement for some reason

        • Honora

          Default judgments kill your FICO score and hurt your credit rating. The times vary but in some states a default judgment is valid for as little as three years and others for as long as 20 years. In some states default judgments cannot be renewed, in other states they can be renewed a few times or forever. So you have to be more concerned about credit reporting than anything else.

          Also in the US will get a default judgment and then get the court to issue you a summons to come to the court and tell the court exactly what your assets are, so they can attach them. if you ignore THAT kind of summons it’s criminal and not civil and you can be put in jail. Cases in Illinois, Arizona and Minnesota have happened, when people ignore a summons for assets explination.

      • salvagesalvage

        This is so wrong it hurts.

        DO NOT IGNORE ANYTHING THE TROLLS SEND.

        That’s what they want you to do so they can got to court and get an unopposed judgment that they can then sell to a collection agency.

        You hire a lawyer to write a letter back and if necessary (it won’t be but still) to go to court with you.

        If you go to court and you say “Prove it” and all they have is an IP address, they’ll get nothing.

        They know this so they won’t go to court.

        • Guest321

          They cannot get a summary judgement on you this way. Its not a court summon or anything. It’s just a settlement letter. If they drag your ass to court, you will get another letter summoning you. If you ignore that one, then only can they get a default judgement.

          Why should anyone waste their time and money to hire a lawyer for these criminals? Hurray more money for the blood sucking lawyers. These people are harassing random innocent people based on IP address. I bet there are people even without computers getting these letters.

        • Legal informer.

          Yes: The procedure is:

          1. You get sent a Letter Before Claim, with the Particulars of Claim also (most likely).

          2. You then have a number of days to file a defence, or if you wish to defer this, file an acknowledgement first to buy yourself extra time to get legal advice.

          3. If you do not respond to the Particulars of Claim/Letters before claim within 14 days, which can be extended to 28 days if you file an acknowledgment, then they can get a default judgement.

          4. This can still be set aside if certain criteria are met, but it isn’t an ideal situation to be in.

          NB/ dates above may not be right. This doesn’t constitute legal advice bla bla bla./

        • salvagesalvage

          Sure, but if you have a lawyer right from first contact the trolls are that much less likely to hassle you further.

      • n_mailer

        Exactly. Wait till a lawsuit has been filed, then hire a law firm immediately and hit back.

        • xpmule

          makes sense to me !

  • dafro

    A ip is not a person and is hackers about

  • SSDD

    EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL BY MAIL !!!!!!!

    I will ignore any letters coming from this creep, and if they take it to court I will plead innocence and counter claim for deformation of character extortion and mental anguish.

    PS. I know somebody who used to live next door to this freak and he could see into his garden where they used to film the lower than z rate crappy porn movies, god knows why anybody would want to pay for his gutter trash porn I would rather have my head crushed in a vice.

    • MadAsASnake

      3rd rate demands by 2nd rate mail…

  • MadAsASnake

    They will not maintain any prosecution once someone defends. As with ACS, they do not know what was done, and, if anything, who did it. And they know they don’t know. They are using the same backing team as ACS, so we can fully expect a lot of false accusations and dishonest games. Several of the demands in the letter, despite being approved by the courts, have no backing in law.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/ SJD

    Note that there are others who piggyback on GEIL’s extortion scheme:

    Harmony UK , annaarrowsmith, Orchid Films, Justin R. dos Santos, Jason Maskell et al. Tweet to them what you think about these scumbags.

    Follow ACS Law Illegal twitter account: he is on top of that.

  • Micky

    i don’t live in the UK but all i can say to those sickfucks is to kick themselves in the nuts

  • raymond

    I keep noticing stories on here about groups or persons associated with the porn industry launching these copyright attacks. It always strikes me as odd why porn is even covered by copyright law.

    At least in the US, the primary reason given for copyright laws is to promote the publication of more books, movies, music, etc. (‘to promote the progress of science and the useful arts’).

    So why does the government want to promote the creation of more porn?

    • Violated0

      Yes there has been legal debate if porn can actually be classed as an artistic creation which is required for them to obtain a copyright. US porn I would give a “no” to being like a fast food meat factory but I would give a “yes” to French porn which is a lot more artistic in general.

      The porn industry has been making money suing their audience because their business model broke due to all the free porn now available on the Internet.

      It is strange for people to download this stuff where there are countless free porn sites around but in every million people there always X number doing strange things.

      • raymond

        After i posted i checked the site and noticed there’s already been a thread about this. Though i don’t see it so much as a legal case about whether it “can” be granted a copyright. That’s interesting, if a court rules that it can the question would still remain. Why would the government want to do it? The legislature can choose the copyright rules, and if the argument behind copyright is that it is to promote the type of material being given the copyright, why give it to porn? How is that not saying we want to promote the production of more porn? And there’s already a ratings system, so just say anything rated XXX is not subject to copyright. Done. But for some reason they choose to ‘promote’ porn.

        • bobmail

          The system is pretty simple: If you create a work of any sort that is legal, it is automatically protected by copyright. You don’t get to say “Beavis and Butthead shouldn’t get protection because it’s not art”, that is your opinion.

          At various times people have tried to argue that porn should not be subject to copyright and each time in court (in the US) they have failed badly.

          The porn industry has a stronger place to use this sort of legal action because few people are going to want to have their sexual preferences (big butt black girls with tattoos of monks on their private parts) tossed about as a matter of public record. They don’t even want to hire a lawyer and explain it to them. Quite simply, it’s cheaper to settle and certainly less stressful to settle, especially if you are guilty and you know it.

        • Guest321

          You wish Bobby, you wish…

        • Guest

          Personally, bobby, I’ve heard that you prefer hot sex with homosexual twins while tied up with chainmail and suspended over a huge vat of expired custard pudding. I’ve got evidence of this, which I won’t show you, but I will ensure that this juicy bit of information is made known to the maximum possible extent.

          Of course, if you don’t want this information perpetuated, you’re very much welcome to pay through the nose instead. (Wipe Robert King’s cum off of it, please; we don’t all share your bizarre fetishes.)

        • raymond

          It’s not a question of what is art, and it is not whether I get to say. The legislature gets to say what the rules of copyright are, and what is covered or not covered. They indeed do get to say whether porn is covered or not. They choose to say it is. I find that very strange when placed alongside the alleged justification for copyright.

          Whether courts have ruled against claims that the government *can’t* cover porn with copyright is not my issue. It’s an interesting argument, but irrelevant. Assume it’s settled that they’re “allowed” to cover porn, my question remains, why do they chose to do so? They might be allowed to require senators to always vote on bills while standing on one leg, but why would they chose to do so? That’s the question. Why does the government choose to “promote” the production of more pornography by granting it copyrights? They have no obligation to do so, but choose to do so.

          Your particular example of Beavis and Butthead is moving into targeting specific individuals or specific works, which is not what I’m talking about. Such an approach might be challenged as bills of attainder, so that kind of argument is an irrelevancy.

        • Liam.Jh

          It is a lot cheaper to just DENY.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Like: I didn’t do it, I don’t know who did, I did not authorize it. Nothing more, nothing less. hehe

        • IDIOCRACY

          How is that possible? You must be lying, the God fearing and loving and church going Christians in the USA do not make Porn, that is unholy. Stop lying, USA citizens and companies and politicians are no Hypocritical money hungry bastards, they are the children of God.
          woehahahaha hehe

    • xpmule

      their only covered by copyright law because they filmed it otherwise these same people would be hunted for prostitution.. nice laws we got huh..

    • PenzancePeer

      Whats an Ageing Porn bloke to do ? Unlike the ladies who can fake it, Ben will find it difficult to hide the effects of Time’s Scythe. Hence this little Escapade :) One might ponder whether his brains are in his penis if he imagines that this tactic is a likely Earner ?

  • JordanKratz

    Hack the hell out of those who would commit extortion.And as far as the sick fuck porn industry………..we would love to see you guys have to Ben Dover and take it up the Ass with a nice big broom.
    NOTE:
    Maybe not as the sick fucks would probably have an orgasm over it.

    • xpmule

      when these guys put out double arm fisting videos i don’t think they will mind a 1 inch broom stick lol
      These “artists” could sit on a bowling ball and not notice.. google search the movie series “Gape Lovers” ;)

  • pelham

    It is important to reply. The key is not to give them any details. There is a standard script you can use. This is speculative invoicing, plain and simple. Even those who may have done something you admit nothing.

    • Violated0

      To reply is optional and should only be done if the person replying actually knows what they are doing or at minimum have run their reply through a lawyer. As Golden Eye has no “hard evidence” then the worst thing possible is to incriminate yourself or another person.

      People should keep in mind that this is legal conflict and you do need to play hard ball. These people want your money and you cannot reason with them or beg for forgiveness. So do not appear weak and exploitive to them but to give them a hard time demanding evidence and such.

      So those without the knowledge and mental fortitude are best off never saying a single word to them. The only people they would ever dream of taking to Court are those that have incriminated themselves in some way but as Andrew Crossley of ACS:Law found out their cases are so weak that even admitting guilt is not good enough to win the case as we may recall he had no lawful right to enforce the copyright on the media.

      • pelham

        These guys ‘win’ cases by default because an individual has failed to reply. If the CAB is informed they will no there is a standard reply. They cannot chase you for details and you are not obliged to give them anything. Remember they have nothing on you unless you fill in the blanks. Give them nothing

        • Violated0

          One should of course never ignore a Court summons but that is different to these speculative invoicing letters but as has been proved over the years these trolls try to avoid Court cases as much as possible just in case they do meet a hard defence..

        • xpmule

          yup

  • Pissed Off

    DON’T ADMIT ANYTHING
    NO evidence exists that a particular person was using a particular IP at a particular time. Think about what actual evidence is needed to prove that.
    Don’t admit anything to this slimeball of a human being.

    • Phaedrus

      What needs to be done is to respond with an “Acceptance for Value & Request for PROOF OF CLAIM with the requests itemized in the form of negative averment making it impossible for them to respond properly. Additionally, attach an Affidavit stating that you did not do the deed. Give them 10 days to respond or drop the case. An affidavit, not to properly responded to becomes accepted automatically without question as TRUTH in a court of law. This means a judge does not have the ability to decide the case as his only jurisdiction becomes how much damages to award. To you! In your proof of claim, be sure to also include one claim item that states: “PROOF OF CLAIM is requested that actual damages to me are not less than $5,000.00 per incident and further damages of $15,000. per incident to my reputation.” Important legally: Use all caps just as I did here for those words. You would be shocked at how fast they will back off something like this.

  • WhatAreWeSupposedToDo

    “It’s really important that people contact Citizens Advice and respond [to the allegations],”

    I thought you were supposed to ignore them.

  • Zenamez

    I wonder how many people will contest it…(although knowing the uk courts, even if you had activity logs of connections/visited sites to prove your innocence, they’d still find you guilty). I would laugh heartily if about 90%+/- of people took them to the courts and won due to lack of evidence. We can only dream since most people can’t afford a lawyer and want an easy life (a fine vs. lawyers fees and possible fine).

  • Path

    OMG, is Keith Harris doing porn now? What about Orville and Cuddles?

    • Guest

      After the work dried up they became sad porn stars and changed their names to Oral and Cuckolds (so I’m told).

  • Stinky

    Ben Dover is the actor Tyger Drew-Honey’s father. How proud he must be of his daddy.

  • Byte

    “provide the information that we have requested above about other users of the computer”

    Yeah, right.

  • Ray Carroll

    This is going to spawn a completely new form of predatory lawyer. You can be sure they currently have classes and seminars specifically dealing with file-sharing cases. Entire companies are going to specialize in this type of extortion.

    Word of advice people. Never download porn! There are many free websites where you can watch whatever your into for nothing and legally. The Porn Industry is fighting for its very existence because of the Internet and file-sharing. It truly has gutted the industry. The days of selling 30 minute Tapes or DVD’s for $30.00 ended years ago. That lucrative form of business has evaporated, which in turn has upset some very rich people to the point of fighting harder than any Copyright Holder. Their not going to let this several billion dollars a year business go without a serious fight.

    • Violated0

      Actually most lawyers avoid such cases being a good way to be disciplined by the SDT. I am also sure such lawyer classes use the ACS:Law “get rich quick” example to highlight how you can suck at being a lawyer (he made many mistakes) including how to win the wrath of the public. Your average lawyer troll is more a rare breed built with much arrogance.

      • Ray Carroll

        Its all based on money. Lawyers don’t become lawyers because they care about public opinion. Only politicians care about public opinion and that’s only because they have to. I actually see firms bidding for the chance to get into the game as the law shifts in the favor of going after individuals that stand very little chance of putting up a fight. Its almost a sure thing without a lot of work to prove guilt. Its a Lawyers dream come true. Intimidate into capitulation, done deal, move on to the next. It will all depend on the country and state and the judge you have. Some places may be Boom Areas, while others areas may not pay off because the fight to prove guilt is much more stringent.

  • anonymous

    after all the shit that hit fan during the ACS:Law fiasco, i cannot believe the UK court has now given this bunch of shisters the go-ahead. i would dearly like to know who in the government has received the ‘big brown envelope’ from this studio and told the court to allow the cases. everyone knows the evidence is flawed at best and non-existent at worst. why should people be put through this sort of thing, particularly when innocent but unable to afford to prove it, just to line the pockets of someone who is getting too old now to get it up and earn a living?? speculative invoicing is exactly what this is, based on nothing tangible. if the “forensic computer analyst” has proof, let them show it! . the uk already has the title of being the place to go for winning a deformation case (that’s why the law is in the process of being changed), it appears this practice will be added!!

    • Violated0

      The Court in question has been doing a lot better these days with issuing their NPOs.

      We may recall a big flaw in the original cases were the ISPs who simply teamed up with these speculative invoicing companies with a few even taking their cut of the pie. So in every case until ACS:Law exploded these ISPs entered “no contest”, providing their subscribers with zero defence from exploitation, where the Judge had no choice but to issue the NPO.

      This time around the Judge has welcomed public rights organizations having their say in Court providing that missing subscriber defence. This Judge also had a good look at these speculative invoicing letters and cut out a few sections that were not lawfully valid while adding in some other sections.

      So they have done their best and the rest is the nature of copyright under law along with settlement or aiming to build a case.

      • Andrew me

        Yeah and i am going to give my customers details to these faggots, seriously does the court or anyone honestly think a business is going to involve their customers in a case where they are being charged with downloading a porn movie and possibly themselves being implicated , especially if the porn file is something like” big fat black mama pregnant anal fuck by 10 men”

        This is nothing but outright blackmail.

        I would not even respond to the letter seriously they can do what they want i want proof that i was guilty and i am in no way going to give them that proof.If they want to know who has been connecting to my router they need a court order and even then i will have to be able to remember who was on my premises at that time on that specific date. They have nothing here but an ip address that could have been used by a number of people, and that does not include those people that hack into routers to do their dirty deeds.

  • anonymous

    forgot to add. anyone defending a charge doesn’t have to hand over their computer unless the court orders it. be prepared and make sure the HDD has nothing else incriminating on it!

  • Sod Off

    Simple answer is to deny downloading his films as not only are they badly shot, lit and feature extremely ugly “actors/actresses” but his voice on the film kills off any sort of even mild turn on that may be produced from watching them.

  • Knockers

    Having seen some of his porn in the past, it begs the question who exactly would down load any of it? It’s f’king crap.

  • SoundAdvice
  • Andrew Lee

    I wonder if the letter will say Ben Dover because we’re getting ready to fuck you for much as we can.

    It’s sad people do not deserve that for downloading whatever. They should bring up a point on the maximum damages for sharing by proving how much they actually shared. Especially if they can prove they only uploaded a few copies worth or even less than a single copy.

    If they can walk in court and say hey yes I downloaded it and shared this much and I am willing to take responsibility for what downloaded and shared they could get off very easy.

    The court would have to look at such proof if the person could back it up. They could also take the stance of saying it was someone else and fight it.

    It would be interesting to see someone say hey I uploaded 103 percent of the file I downloaded and I’ll pay for my copy and the other 1.03 copies uploaded.

  • Return of the lulz

    ACS:LAW tried and failed, This will also fail..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=608525922 Ronald MacDonald

    I wonder how many of those accused copyright infringers are underage.

    • Captain Buzzoverinthehead DFC

      Not many, because the letters go to the *subscriber*, not the computer user in question. And minors can’t sign up with an ISP.

    • salvagesalvage

      I think that’s the part of their scheme that will work, kids downloading stuff, parents get the letter, kid admits it, parents don’t want to lie about it (hard to tell your kids not to lie when you lie) and they’ll settle.

      I’ve often wondered if that’s really their ultimate target market.

      • Wallace

        “I’ve often wondered if that’s really their ultimate target market.”

        If they were that clever, they’d have real jobs.

  • http://twitter.com/FreeInternet777 Free Internet

    “The Speculative Invoicing Handbook” is a good read also

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  • Dusqus Shit

    Some one needs to hack this website and replace disqus with something else. All these update are getting fucking stupid!!!!! I can’t even down vote a comment without signing in!!!! fffuuu!!!!!

    • xpmule

      you think thats bad ? Try blocking Disqus with Peerblock.. jeez that looks bad lol

  • NewWorldStoner

    I guess these guys are responsible for those “hairy bobbin’ man ass” films referenced by the late and great Bill Hicks.

    If I get one of these letters you can be sure I will respond with “If the file name had said hairy bobbin’ man ass, I’d never have downloaded the fuckin’ thing!”.

  • GullibleMcfly

    Ben Dover is that the name of the person who owns the company?

    • Dude

      Yes as he bends over for every gay man.

  • Null

    “So, what should recipients of letters be doing?”

    Go to the Bend over head Quarter and k. . . every one starting with the CEO. Then k. . . all their lawyers too.

    I am sure that after this they will be no more letter from Bend over or any body else for a very long time.

  • JG

    1.) in re:
    “Golden Eye claims in their letter to have included an evidence report from their “forensic computer analyst”. Actually only a film title, IP address, plus date and time of the alleged infringement are included.”

    Well of course that’s all they need….. Don’t you know by now mere accusation you might have downloaded something is absolute legal proof you did in fact download it…

    2.)in re:
    “If you deny that you have downloaded the Work or made it available for download by others, please explain the basis upon which you deny it, and provide the information that we have requested above about other users of the computer.”

    I’m really curious what exactly they’re expecting as part of the explanation… “I’m denying I downloaded the work or made it available for others to download because I didn’t downloaded the work or make it available for others to download”…. It just seems to be rather self-explanatory to me at least… You couldn’t say something like “Well I was visiting my grandmum at the time” since as someone pointed out to me several posts ago, you don’t actually have to be at home to be actively torrenting….

    3.) I wonder how they would respond with a note asking to be kept in the loop with the investigation as to add on federal charges for unauthorized access to a computer network, or theft of bandwidth, etc to whomever gained access to the network & downloaded the file without authorization…

  • salvagesalvage

    >If you deny that you have downloaded the Work or made it available for
    download by others, please explain the basis upon which you deny it

    No, I think a simple denial would be more than enough, no need to explain why you’re wrong, that’s your problem.

    Hopefully by now there’s more than an enough information on these trolls out there that no one will be suckered in and that for every letter they send out they get one back saying “Get Bent, see you in court, good luck proving that a string of numbers is a person.”

    • Guest321

      They are asking you to prove a negative. No wonder these people don’t have any real jobs.

  • n_mailer

    “”“This letter assumes that you, as the Internet account holder at your address, were the user of the relevant computer on the day and time in question,” the letter states”

    Now why would the letter go out of its way to state that?

    It must matter legally that the recipient also be the user. Otherwise, there would be no desire to state this.

    • Anyone

      because they can’t identify the “infringer”, so they have to assume it is the account holder

      simply deny it, and they have no way forward

    • Violated0

      I am sure the Judge made them say it when it is technically true that they cannot identify the exact person who did it so assume that the bill payer is the most likely culprit.

      All about exploration in their tell who did it. One basic denial that cannot be proved untrue then they have NOTHING.

  • http://echavez74.myopenid.com/ CiEZ

    STUPID MOVIE ANYWAY! WORST JAMES BOND FLICK EVER!

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  • Guest321

    This is the 21st century. Nobody pays for porn anymore. Even the content of paid sites can be freely found all over the net. Nobody should have to pay a dime to see people fuck. That’s not even a real job.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005069441277 Chuck N Dies Last

    You’ve been found guilty for watching crap pornography in the first degree of murdering bandwidth. You will be sentenced to 40 years to the Beatrix maidens chamber of pleasures. Oh I do declare you will learn to respect good smut. You will be lashed 10000 times on your penis then your ass masturbated for 1 decades. You will never watch crap porn again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611862174 Daryl Derksen

    You know, if a debtor calls you up and tells you that you owe them money… You might not actually owe them money. They have the onus on them to prove that you are the person who owes the money and you can request proof of said debt (ie: copies of the statements with your name and other info on them). How is this really any different? They say you owe money, they should be able to prove it with in house evidence.

    • Violated0

      Quite correct but most people have never had lawyer conflict before where they pry on human nature of anxiety and panic, which leads people desiring negotiation and forgiveness, which then leads to a lawfully binding self confession.

      A little advice can go a long way.

      At least Andrew Crossley had one good point about him when he did not like accepting money from people who denied the infringement when yes some people will pay for something they never did just to end the conflict. That good point quickly ended though when he was quite happy to accept payment from parents for what their under-aged kids did.

    • Honora

      You’re correct, but it’s way too easy to hit your credit report and sink your FICO score. A bad report can take a week to sink it and if it’s proved false, it’s can take months to get it off. Once its off it can take up to a year for FICO to adjust your score back up.

      This is problematic if you’re looking for a mortgage.

  • cupid stunt

    am waiting for the 76 year old granny without electricity in the outer Hebrides to receive one of these. regardless, they will send out a letter to the “wrong” person sooner or later, and when a stink is kicked up by the press this will be closed down, but not before we have been made to suffer.i understand thet these people watermark their products digitally so can prove the download/upload took place. what will be interesting is to see if computers will be used in evidence if that is the case.

  • cupid stunt

    i really want to add to the discussion and say something meaningful but can only manage “fuck them” for some reason

  • Whatever

    “Please state whether…..and so on…

    Reply from accused filling one whole A4 size paper: NO

  • HarryFeet

    If it goes to court just tell the truth… That you didn’t realize how dangerous not have a password on your wifi router is, and that you have no idea who did.

    Then see if there’s a law dictating that citizens can be held accountable for failing to secure their home network. I doubt such a law exists. Most civilians aren’t security experts.

    This is what you do when daa MAFIAA (or his little evil brothers) comes for you!

    • http://rationaldreaming.com/ Mike

      No, you don’t even do that. It’s up to them to prove that you downloaded the files in question, and all they have is an IP address record which may, or may not be, accurate (they cannot prove it is). You are not required to say anything about how you set up your home internet connection. Indeed, if you admit to setting up an insecure connection, they will attempt to use that information to hold you liable for the file sharing.

      The truth is, that without an admission of wrongdoing, these cases don’t get anywhere near a court (not in the UK, anyway).

  • steve

    Citizen Advice Bureau has had some serious cuts lately with austerity taking it’s toll on this vital service. So I recommend having patience with them as it isn’t their fault if the government constantly attack the services we pay for in tax. Also most staff at CAB are volunteers so please be nice :)

  • xpmule

    The guy in the picture looks like Brent Spiner (Data from Star Trek Next Gen.) i think every time i see TF use that picture lol

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

      the guy with the handcuffs?? I always think that too

  • Filino Rupro

    Instead of paying to this extortion scheme hire a hit-man and kill one-by-one this vultures…

  • Damion

    This English-Sheep-Shagger who workes in the offic in London got one of these letters. Anyone who is thick enough to download a ben dover porn film using bittorent deserves this letter and, a darwin award. Even the english-inbred-northern monkeys I know are understand that.

  • igglepiggle

    Hi – Is it possible to obtain a copy of the letter to send back please? Thank-you

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