Comments on: ‘Good’ Pirates Help Companies Sell More Products http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:05:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Piemonkey http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-528577 Piemonkey Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:21:14 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-528577 Wouldn't they be buccaneers then? Wouldn't they be buccaneers then?

]]> By: It’s OK - We’re Good Pirates - Chris Webb's Publishing Blog http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-505503 It’s OK - We’re Good Pirates - Chris Webb's Publishing Blog Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:31:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-505503 [...] even the pirates believe this. Just take a look at the comments on this topic over at Torrent Freak. For example: I’m not gonna lie, I mostly download album and film cuz i’m [...] [...] even the pirates believe this. Just take a look at the comments on this topic over at Torrent Freak. For example: I’m not gonna lie, I mostly download album and film cuz i’m [...]

]]> By: Piratería digital podría beneficiar a la empresas: el otro debate « Luna Antagónica http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-428574 Piratería digital podría beneficiar a la empresas: el otro debate « Luna Antagónica Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:22:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-428574 [...] está ayudando a su creador, ya que al decírselo a sus amigos, y a los amigos de sus amigos, está realizando una campaña promocional del producto. Puesto que no se tenía una intención real de comprarlo, no se está produciendo realmente [...] [...] está ayudando a su creador, ya que al decírselo a sus amigos, y a los amigos de sus amigos, está realizando una campaña promocional del producto. Puesto que no se tenía una intención real de comprarlo, no se está produciendo realmente [...]

]]> By: BrainaicX http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-323694 BrainaicX Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:53:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-323694 GG GG

]]> By: Fus http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-320049 Fus Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:39:03 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-320049 The bottom line as a student is pirate until I'm able to afford the product. If a company doesn't have a continual release of updates that temporarily disables the product and if it is valuable even with similar alternatives, I feel loyal to that brand and when I have the ability to legally obtain a version of the software I will. An addendum, I would be more likely to shell out for a product if that license included any future versions of that product. Also said, if I bought a product when it was new and they release a newer version, it feels less morally reprehensable to pirate the newer copy. The bottom line as a student is pirate until I’m able to afford the product. If a company doesn’t have a continual release of updates that temporarily disables the product and if it is valuable even with similar alternatives, I feel loyal to that brand and when I have the ability to legally obtain a version of the software I will.

An addendum, I would be more likely to shell out for a product if that license included any future versions of that product. Also said, if I bought a product when it was new and they release a newer version, it feels less morally reprehensable to pirate the newer copy.

]]> By: Geoff McMann http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-319737 Geoff McMann Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:37:06 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-319737 "Theft is theft". True, but in relation to filesharing you fail to show why you label it so. You most likely use the specious argument that it deprives artists and retailers of sales. Since it has often been stated (yes without proof) that most who download wouldn't have bought even if they couldn't dl, then you have no leg to stand on, but are only a lying thieving hypocrite. “Theft is theft”. True, but in relation to filesharing you fail to show why you label it so. You most likely use the specious argument that it deprives artists and retailers of sales. Since it has often been stated (yes without proof) that most who download wouldn’t have bought even if they couldn’t dl, then you have no leg to stand on, but are only a lying thieving hypocrite.

]]> By: ‘Good’ Pirates Help Companies Sell More Products at IDTorrent Blog http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-319667 ‘Good’ Pirates Help Companies Sell More Products at IDTorrent Blog Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:02:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-319667 [...] ‘Good’ Pirates Help Companies Sell More Products [...] [...] ‘Good’ Pirates Help Companies Sell More Products [...]

]]> By: Bharani http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318890 Bharani Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:10:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318890 Pireacy Is Not That Much a Crime Read On http://pluking.blogspot.com Pireacy Is Not That Much a Crime

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]]> By: Sturmeh http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318722 Sturmeh Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:57:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318722 Provided you do not encourage piracy, this is entirely true. If you are the first of your "group of contacts/friends" to get your hands on a latest release game, just because someone told you it was cool ( and you wouldn't have bought it anyway. ) You may end up telling your friends how cool it is. If you didn't intend on buying it in the first place, you may have never found out how 'cool' it was, and therefore that's you not telling anyone else, and potentially lost sales for the company. This in no way justifies the act of Piracy, however, it just points out the industries aren't going into decline because of piracy, it's rather a natural equilibrium. If you're going to annoy consumers with high-tech anti-piracy technologies ( which never work ) at least put the price down on the game to compensate. ( which contradicts the fact that the technology costs the company more. ) There's a point where you look at a price, and you say well I could get 5 other not-so-hyped-up games for the same price, and simply being so expensive drives you to pirate it. Games should start out cheaper, and reduce in price less. ( So the game doesn't just sell when it becomes cheap. ) Provided you do not encourage piracy, this is entirely true.

If you are the first of your “group of contacts/friends” to get your hands on a latest release game, just because someone told you it was cool ( and you wouldn’t have bought it anyway. ) You may end up telling your friends how cool it is.

If you didn’t intend on buying it in the first place, you may have never found out how ‘cool’ it was, and therefore that’s you not telling anyone else, and potentially lost sales for the company.

This in no way justifies the act of Piracy, however, it just points out the industries aren’t going into decline because of piracy, it’s rather a natural equilibrium.

If you’re going to annoy consumers with high-tech anti-piracy technologies ( which never work ) at least put the price down on the game to compensate. ( which contradicts the fact that the technology costs the company more. )

There’s a point where you look at a price, and you say well I could get 5 other not-so-hyped-up games for the same price, and simply being so expensive drives you to pirate it.

Games should start out cheaper, and reduce in price less. ( So the game doesn’t just sell when it becomes cheap. )

]]> By: prodigydancer http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318690 prodigydancer Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:30:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318690 [quote comment="318443"]Theft is theft [/quote] Undoubtedly. Only filesharing isn't theft because the author still has the original of whatever is being distributed via FS. Try and sue me for somehow making an identical copy of your Ferrari (while you still have your car and I've never even touched it). I wish you luck. :-) [quote comment="318443"]Theft is theft [/quote]

Undoubtedly. Only filesharing isn’t theft because the author still has the original of whatever is being distributed via FS.

Try and sue me for somehow making an identical copy of your Ferrari (while you still have your car and I’ve never even touched it). I wish you luck. :-)

]]> By: Putin 08 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318630 Putin 08 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:04:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318630 [quote comment="318443"]But here's the thing, it's still illegal.[/quote] What's your point? That people should obey a law no matter how silly it is, and no matter how victimless an instance of breaking that law is? You're a pitiful stooge. [quote comment="318443"] Theft is theft no matter how you put a spin on it.[/quote] Correct. Theft is theft no matter how you spin it, so why don't you fuck off and take your spin with you? If I snap my fingers and instantly conjur up a 1:1 duplicate of your Ferrari, and then drive off in said duplicate, you're going to have one Hell of a time trying to figure out how that qualifies as THEFT, especially when I would have never in my life bought a Ferrari anyway, whether or not I had the magicial power to duplicate one. [quote comment="318443"]But here’s the thing, it’s still illegal.[/quote]

What’s your point? That people should obey a law no matter how silly it is, and no matter how victimless an instance of breaking that law is?

You’re a pitiful stooge.

[quote comment="318443"]
Theft is theft no matter how you put a spin on it.[/quote]

Correct. Theft is theft no matter how you spin it, so why don’t you fuck off and take your spin with you?

If I snap my fingers and instantly conjur up a 1:1 duplicate of your Ferrari, and then drive off in said duplicate, you’re going to have one Hell of a time trying to figure out how that qualifies as THEFT, especially when I would have never in my life bought a Ferrari anyway, whether or not I had the magicial power to duplicate one.

]]> By: Pseudo http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318561 Pseudo Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:12:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318561 Doing PC tech work for small businesses and home users, I've recommended ALOT of software to customers that I haven't paid for myself. I wish software companies had referral programs. Doing PC tech work for small businesses and home users, I’ve recommended ALOT of software to customers that I haven’t paid for myself. I wish software companies had referral programs.

]]> By: Downloaden en piraterij is juist goed!! | Gamekings - Elke dag nieuwe video's http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318527 Downloaden en piraterij is juist goed!! | Gamekings - Elke dag nieuwe video's Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:17:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318527 [...] is wat Karen Croxson zei op de Annual Conference of the Royal Economic Society, want wie download verteld hier zijn vrienden [...] [...] is wat Karen Croxson zei op de Annual Conference of the Royal Economic Society, want wie download verteld hier zijn vrienden [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318510 Anonymous Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:17:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318510 [quote comment="318443"]Whatever next? Car thief writes review of the last Ferrari they stole and sales rocket…thanks car thief please carry on.[/quote] While your point probably has some validity in it, comparing intellectual property theft with physical theft is always sketchy. The software pirate who wouldn't have paid literally costs the software company _nothing_, obviously the car thief deprived it's owner of a $100+K car. Always a difference between theft and copying... [quote comment="318443"]Whatever next? Car thief writes review of the last Ferrari they stole and sales rocket…thanks car thief please carry on.[/quote]
While your point probably has some validity in it, comparing intellectual property theft with physical theft is always sketchy. The software pirate who wouldn’t have paid literally costs the software company _nothing_, obviously the car thief deprived it’s owner of a $100+K car. Always a difference between theft and copying…

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318492 Anonymous Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:48:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318492 @9 While I agree with with most of what you said, the amount of piracy is still losing some companies sales... though this is mainly in 3rd world countries and the fact of the matter is that this is because they don't actually sell legal products there in the first place.... and about games, the main thing costing them sales is the fact that users are terrified that their game will INFECT their computer and break it... and that pirates get a SUPERIOR product to what the consumers get... the protections are causing most of the piracy in the video game market... @9
While I agree with with most of what you said, the amount of piracy is still losing some companies sales… though this is mainly in 3rd world countries and the fact of the matter is that this is because they don’t actually sell legal products there in the first place….

and about games, the main thing costing them sales is the fact that users are terrified that their game will INFECT their computer and break it… and that pirates get a SUPERIOR product to what the consumers get… the protections are causing most of the piracy in the video game market…

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]]> By: ArtyTorrent http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318458 ArtyTorrent Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:27:58 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318458 Is this academic actually aware that certain record labels routinely leak promo copies via P2P? The RIAA is trying to stop file-sharing, but many of its members actively use it precisely to increase sales. It's kind of ironic that the record labels send out free copies of promos, but expect the plebian consumers to pay for them. Is this academic actually aware that certain record labels routinely leak promo copies via P2P? The RIAA is trying to stop file-sharing, but many of its members actively use it precisely to increase sales. It’s kind of ironic that the record labels send out free copies of promos, but expect the plebian consumers to pay for them.

]]> By: Mr anon http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318443 Mr anon Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:58:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318443 The point made about a person illegally downloading software etc… probably wouldn't have paid for it in the first place is a valid one. Creating a buzz about the product is also a valid one. But here's the thing, it's still illegal. Just because they don't want to pay for it and companies aren't really missing out on revenue because of the theft doesn't make it acceptable. Theft is theft no matter how you put a spin on it. Whatever next? Car thief writes review of the last Ferrari they stole and sales rocket…thanks car thief please carry on. The point made about a person illegally downloading software etc… probably wouldn’t have paid for it in the first place is a valid one. Creating a buzz about the product is also a valid one. But here’s the thing, it’s still illegal.

Just because they don’t want to pay for it and companies aren’t really missing out on revenue because of the theft doesn’t make it acceptable. Theft is theft no matter how you put a spin on it.

Whatever next? Car thief writes review of the last Ferrari they stole and sales rocket…thanks car thief please carry on.

]]> By: Chris Webb on Publishing, Media, and Technology http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318421 Chris Webb on Publishing, Media, and Technology Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:00:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318421 <strong>It’s OK - We’re Good Pirates...</strong> What? According to Karen Croxson, digital piracy may help companies. As a new-media minded person working in a traditionally old-media world I am a little conflicted here. I am coming around to Chris Anderson’s Free mantra, and I absolutely bel... It’s OK – We’re Good Pirates…

What?
According to Karen Croxson, digital piracy may help companies. As a new-media minded person working in a traditionally old-media world I am a little conflicted here. I am coming around to Chris Anderson’s Free mantra, and I absolutely bel…

]]> By: Phusion http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318416 Phusion Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:48:36 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/good-pirates-help-businesses-sell-more-product-080324/#comment-318416 I agree whole heartedly on this topic, but the logic may be a bit flawed. Sure, people who wouldn't buy the product anyway go and pirate.. but what if they couldn't pirate? If they were of a younger group, would they save up their money for weeks, or even months to eventually buy it? I'd say the "good pirate" theory at least works with music, because it's such a viral medium. When you play a good tune, everyone notices and they want to go get it themselves.. it doesn't always work that way with movies/applications. Let's show these companies there is at least a difference between good and bad piracy. I agree whole heartedly on this topic, but the logic may be a bit flawed. Sure, people who wouldn’t buy the product anyway go and pirate.. but what if they couldn’t pirate? If they were of a younger group, would they save up their money for weeks, or even months to eventually buy it? I’d say the “good pirate” theory at least works with music, because it’s such a viral medium. When you play a good tune, everyone notices and they want to go get it themselves.. it doesn’t always work that way with movies/applications.

Let’s show these companies there is at least a difference between good and bad piracy.

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