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Google, MPAA and isoHunt Clash in Court

Last year the BitTorrent search engine isoHunt filed an appeal in their case with the MPAA. With the appeal isoHunt hopes to overturn a District Court ruling that obligates the site to operate an MPAA-approved censorship filter. The case is still ongoing and the Appeal Court has now granted Google the opportunity to chime in as well, leading to critical comments from both the MPAA and isoHunt.

googleTwo months ago Google got involved in a BitTorrent case for the first time in its history. The company took an interest in the ongoing legal action between isoHunt and the MPAA, fearing that the standing injunction has the potential to damage Google and other web services.

In February Google filed an amicus brief (third party testimony) at the Appeal Court, in the hope that the court would consider Google’s opinion on the case. The MPAA was against a Google contribution, but despite these concerns the Appeal Court has now allowed the search engine’s testimony to be added to the case.

Although Google did not dispute isoHunt’s liability in their testimony, the company stated that some of the reasoning in the District Court verdict went too far, and Google wants to see it scrapped in the appeal.

“While in agreement with the result reached in this case, Google is concerned that some of the reasoning offered by the district court goes too far and would upset the careful balance between copyright protection and technological innovation struck by the Supreme Court and Congress. Particularly because this case is not a hard one, it should be decided narrowly,” Google wrote.

The search giant addresses various issues they feel are not needed to arrive at the verdict, but can negatively impact other services on the Internet. Several of these conclusions are the result of suggestions made by the movie studios, which Google claims are misplaced and incorrect.

Google wants to address these issues because they fear it may otherwise lead to a negative outcome for themselves.

The Appeal Court agreed to accept and consider the amicus brief last month. This is the first time that Google have got involved in a BitTorrent case which is significant itself, but interestingly enough neither the MPAA nor isoHunt are happy with Google’s submission.

In a response to Google’s brief, isoHunt says it agrees with Google’s arguments that the District Court verdict is full of “fatal errors” and “omissions”. However, it doesn’t agree with Google’s conclusion that isoHunt is liable for copyright infringements by some of their users. isoHunt’s lawyer therefore asks the court to reject the latter arguments.

“Defendants submit that Google’s confusing arguments and fallacious reasoning should not obscure the importance of issues presented by this case. Defendants have proposed a practical way to deal with such issues; but Google, like plaintiffs, propose nothing other than affirmance of a factually flawed and legally ill-founded District Court Decision.”

The MPAA also responded to Google’s testimony, and was even less pleased to see the company chime in.

“Google is not a disinterested amicus. Google itself is a defendant in suits charging certain of its business units which intentionally promote infringement. Google’s arguments as amicus reflect its litigation interests in obtaining a legal ruling that facilitation of infringement, even if shown to be intentional, may still be immune from copyright liability.”

The MPAA’s legal team then goes on to refute nearly all arguments made by Google. The search engine wants to scrap all of the District Court’s conclusions regarding liability that could eventually be used against Google, but the movie companies clearly disagree.

“The Court should reject Google’s pleas for immunities for businesses that intentionally facilitate copyright infringement,” MPAA’s lawyers conclude.

Although Google weighed in on the isoHunt vs. MPAA case in self-interest, the mere fact that they got involved signifies the importance of the case. To some it may ‘just’ be a dispute between a BitTorrent site and the MPAA but if affirmed the District Court ruling may have far-reaching consequences for hundreds of other web-services.

After filing the amicus brief Google’s role in the case has likely ended, but isoHunt and the MPAA will continue their battle in court.

There’s a hearing planned in early May where we will find out more about where the case is heading. Interestingly, this hearing is scheduled on the same day and in the same court as Veoh’s appeal hearing. Another DMCA case, but one where the service provider was not held liable.

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  • mei

    Good to see a big blayer dragged in. Mpaa and courts , cant fight with google anyway so any decision that may affect every other company , google included will either have no effects or will simply be ignored .

    • Anonymous

      Here, now Torrentfreak is guilty of copyright infringement, just like Isohunt is:

      The night Max wore his wolf suit and made mischief of one kind and another. His mother called him “WILD THING!” and Max said “I’LL EAT YOU UP!” so he was sent to bed without eating anything. That very night in Max’s room a forest grew and grew- and grew until his ceiling hung with vines and the walls became the world all around and an ocean tumbled by with a private boat for Max and he sailed off through night and day and in and out of weeks and almost over a year to where the wild things are. And when he came to the place where the wild things are they roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws- till Max said “BE STILL!” and tamed them with a magic trick of staring into their yellow eyes without blinking once and they were frightened and called him the most wild thing of all and made him king of all wild things. “And now,” cried Max, “let the wild rumpus start!” “Now stop!” Max said and sent the wild things off to bed without their supper. And Max the king of all wild things was lonely and wanted to be where someone loved him best of all. Then all around from far away across the world he smelled good things to eat so he gave up being king of where the wild things are. But the wild things cried, “Oh please don’t go- we’ll eat you up- we love you so!” And Max said, “No!” The wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled theur terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws but Max stepped into his private boat and waved good-bye and sailed back over a year and in and out of weeks and through a day and into the night of his very own room where he found his supper waiting for him- and it was still hot.

      • Hero #Zer0

        This is funny. Sadly, it’s also true. Isohunt is being held liable for what users post on their website. I still don’t understand how not hosting any binary files whatsoever=copyright infringement on binary data. Makes NO SENSE!

  • lulz

    Same court… must be a paid judge.

    • Anonymous

      Nope. Just “Habeus Corpus,” or whoever gives a damn about whatever the hell that means.

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  • Dirksqjaw

    Hard to tell where this will end up.My assumption would be the judge making a cloud decision just because their sick of hearing about it.

  • DR

    Gotta love how IsoHunt is not affraid to fight. Big wave to IsoHunt for fighting for us!

  • Jamestkirk

    Here’s an idea. How about we adopt Democracy? It’s something the ancient Greeks thought of. I think, this judge should consider a democratic solution to this dilemma. I know Democracy is a bit foreign in the U.S.A, but it’s worth a try.

    See what the people want for an outcome, and use that.

    • fat bob

      The problem with democracy is that it gives everybody a vote. Just think how stupid the average person is. Now realise that 50% of people are dumber than that.

      • Anonymous

        USA will never go from Oligarchy to Democracy. Ever.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Do I detect the need for yet another Civil War? I thought you guys were too busy bullying the Rest of the World into complying with your plutocratic principles!

          What I mean by that specifically is that the VAST majority of you US-guys are absolutely terrific and possibly even wonderful too (with decent conversation of course). But you’ve somehow allowed your political system, your Constitution and your voting system to be infiltrated by these Business-interests, that you’re whole set-up is now so corrupted (ie, to fuck with the “American Dream” and even “Mom and her Apple Pie” too) that your publicly elected representatives only represent the corporation-knows-best interests.

          Consequently the US has lost control and lost true public support for its politicians, and that in turn means the US is losing respect Worldwide – and that’s NOT a good thing for anyone, anywhere :(

          You US-guys need to take back control of your government and elected officials. Please!!!

        • Anonymous

          You have no effin’ idea how much I agree with you, Rob. The US HAS lost respect worldwide. Sure, we may have a giant army, but a giant army ain’t gonna do SHIT when the people commanding our government are so incredibly corrupt. I call myself a pragmatist, and prefer not to be associated with either large party. There is too much wrong with this country.

          I used to want to live in New Zealand instead of the US. Well… I can tell that isn’t going to happen now.

        • Anon

          New Zealand just had a Anti-infringement law pushed down its throats.
          Watch the in-house footage on YouTube… what a joke -.-

        • NotANosePicker

          You got it!!! Weird how 300 million can be ruled by 500 of the greediest nose pickers ever born!!!

      • BitterHappiness

        Like yourself? An average doesn’t necessarily mean 50% of everyone falls under that number – you’re thinking of median. I think it’s safe to say you fall somewhere in the bottom 50%.

        • quest

          he’s working under the assumption that intelligence follows a normal distribution.

      • What Percentage cares though?

        Just a slight clarification, about 62% of Americans actually vote. Actually, on the Democracy Index, US is close to becoming flawed anyway.

        • Trespass

          Becoming flawed? Democracy is an illusion in America.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

          if humans use it, it will be corrupted, humans used democracy, they corrupted it into something where you vote on who takes the bribes to vote something that’s bad for many/most.

        • Anonymous

          It’s probably about time they made it compulsory. Though I hate to think what the cat will drag in with the other 40%… uninformed and donkey votes everywhere!

      • Killbob

        blame the other guy, thats what these companies are doing. Screw MPAA, i dont like their crap, they are trying to tell me how to think.

    • Anonymous

      The problem doesn’t really lie in the whole Democracy/Republic form of government. It’s the media. The two parties each control aspects of the news & bend truths & voice opinions as fact. Sometimes in very convincing manners, sometimes they just blatantly lie if they have to, in order to get their messages across. And people, who really don’t care enough to look into issue, blindly believe them.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FCNK7C55CBUYFVSC5LNWKB322E Buglord

        and that’s why I don’t believe what humans say until I know it is like that.. math, I even outsmart the book on that subject..

    • Rickards

      what democracy means is having the right to vote for a governing body who will make decisions for you.

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  • Snorkie

    gotta love the pbay ship with the google colors sails :)

    • Anonymous

      Yes always a happy surprise to see that Google ship of piracy pop-up. Google would just not approve of their new logo though.

      I think Google will have a hard time playing neutral in the future. They are under attack by the MPAA just like everyone else is and them and a BT search engine a’int so different.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    What bugs me most about cases such as these is the Judge (or decision makers, if more than one).

    Judges are educated and qualified to understand law, jurisprudence, legal technicalities and complex, convoluted arguments. But cases such as these require a judge that’s aware of how the new, modern technology works – and how people worldwide are using it, as well as why. And I genuinely fear that our Judges (regardless of Country or jurisdiction) have no real, practical knowledge or experience of how the modern World now truly operates.

    I intend no disrespect for the Judges when I say the above, I simply voice a genuine concern.

    My disrespect however, is reserved solely for the MAFIAA, their representatives and their sympathisers. The World is changing and in doing so improving – but these fucktards are quite simply holding us all back and destroying opportunities, people and their lives Worldwide.

    And it needs to stop. So our Judges need to get educated in the tech before passing judgment – otherwise they’re part of the problem and not part of the solution.

  • Anonymous

    IsoHunt is cool like that but FrostWire kicks it to the back of the bus I think.
    http://www.complete-privacy.au.tc

    • Guest!

      Get with the times! Frostwire is so last decade!

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  • Johndoe

    Here is the thing that the MPAA and others don’t understand.

    They think they are loosing money when people download their stuff but the fact of the matter is that downloads do not equal dollars. Most of the things i download i would never pay for if i could not download it. I would just go without it.

    I think one should be critical about the supposed huge losses they are actually incurring. The fact is most of their products not only suck but are over priced and they deserve to go out of business.

  • Whatever

    @”The Court should reject Google’s pleas for immunities for businesses that intentionally facilitate copyright infringement”

    I know it may sound strange but for once i have to agree with the MAFIAA. There should be no easy way out for google for choosing the wrong side, just so they can cover their ass for a while longer. A direct fight with google would give make them defend themselves for real and the masks of copywrong dropped as google will then create a PR circus to show how wrong it all is (only when they get cornered).

    Google, like accusing the judges of going to far, went to far themselves by going beyond stating their objections to the previous ruling. They, by the acceptance of the court of their input, basically already convicted isohunt before the judges will read the verdict. Google did this by stating that the result of the previous trial was correct.

    Google could be called the mistaken company by now.

  • Guest

    Google got owned.

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  • z24god

    what i cant understand is why does isohunt and there owners even got to court there in Canada who cares what they say there are just wasting money with legal fees and other stuff … stay out of the courts you dont have to go down there to defend your self it just stupid u are …. who cares what they rule against u it has no meaning in Canada and i know im a 4th year law student …. yes the may try to tell out government what they have ordered but they will just ignore it like every other time they have put cases toward Canadians for something u do not have to even acknowledged them in this … so my recommended option is to say fuck u mpaa and stay in Canada and keep doing what your doing ,,, it not break laws here and there dont apply here or there rulings in Canada

    • QuadSlacker

      A fourth-year law student should be able to express their opinion without typing a 157-word run-on sentence, with about a dozen misspellings and countless grammatical errors. But don’t mind me, I’m just a high-school dropout.

  • Ninja

    Obviously MAFIAA is not happy, it’ll open space for legal ‘pirate’ search sites. And it’ll limit their options for getting full control of the internet (I know it’s impossible but they believe they can control everything).

    I think Google is trying to maintain the status quo. Even though they have some legal battles over copywrong it’s still balanced. Google knows that if it [Google] gets down to business things are gonna get real ugly real fast.

  • Ninja

    Obviously MAFIAA is not happy, it’ll open space for legal ‘pirate’ search sites. And it’ll limit their options for getting full control of the internet (I know it’s impossible but they believe they can control everything).

    I think Google is trying to maintain the status quo. Even though they have some legal battles over copywrong it’s still balanced. Google knows that if it [Google] gets down to business things are gonna get real ugly real fast.

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