Comments on: Government “Holds a Gun to the Head” of ISPs Over P2P http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/ Torrent News, Torrent Sites and the latest Scoops Fri, 25 May 2012 14:12:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: muzikjock http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-463842 muzikjock Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:00:39 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-463842 what needs to be understood here is that imperial capitalists have long since bought out politicians. otherwise, why the big stink about a deadline? what does the govt care? they are wrapping there hands around our necks and saying "give us everything you have or else". we have been taken hostage by these beasts.i see it developing all around the world. imperial capitalists merging with governments. welcome to modern slavery. they wont change their business model. why should they? they lost the battle in the digital age. now they want to clean up by using and bribing politicians . what they really need to do is forget all this, let the internet go free and come up with a new business model. like using the internet as a vehicle to market things that would be enticing. let the market place decide what is marketable instead of it being legislated.but no. they are stupid.instead of welcoming the opportunity of the new by allowing free downloads of copyrighted material. and they are missing out on the big picture by opting to drag us back into the dark ages again. they wont be happy until every part of our lives are legislated.i really wish they would get their heads out of their asses and bury the old model and see the potential of a new one.i certainly am not a rocket scientist and i see it, what is their problem? but it doesn't seem as though that is going to happen. there is no use moving anywhere. this will be set as precedent for global law. and it will soon come to an isp near you.oh well, there goes the internet. what needs to be understood here is that imperial capitalists have long since bought out politicians. otherwise, why the big stink about a deadline? what does the govt care? they are wrapping there hands around our necks and saying “give us everything you have or else”. we have been taken hostage by these beasts.i see it developing all around the world. imperial capitalists merging with governments. welcome to modern slavery. they wont change their business model. why should they? they lost the battle in the digital age. now they want to clean up by using and bribing politicians . what they really need to do is forget all this, let the internet go free and come up with a new business model. like using the internet as a vehicle to market things that would be enticing. let the market place decide what is marketable instead of it being legislated.but no. they are stupid.instead of welcoming the opportunity of the new by allowing free downloads of copyrighted material. and they are missing out on the big picture by opting to drag us back into the dark ages again. they wont be happy until every part of our lives are legislated.i really wish they would get their heads out of their asses and bury the old model and see the potential of a new one.i certainly am not a rocket scientist and i see it, what is their problem? but it doesn’t seem as though that is going to happen. there is no use moving anywhere. this will be set as precedent for global law. and it will soon come to an isp near you.oh well, there goes the internet.

]]> By: me http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-463704 me Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:12:17 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-463704 Record it off the radio etc and clean it up and encode it to mp3!! Record it off the radio etc and clean it up and encode it to mp3!!

]]> By: f*** all Gov Anti-Piracy Organization http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-438524 f*** all Gov Anti-Piracy Organization Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:20:54 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-438524 I think it is a shame that these idiot Big Biz Bloodsuc*ers are trying to make criminals out of there customers & fan base. What these idiots do not realize is people steal go a buy the product, but most people want to try before you buy, plus the one up for download the quality usually sucks anyway, so these clowns are getting there panties in a bunch for no apparent reason. We alot of money for internet access, but I think these idots should just make a deal with our isp's all around the world & just charge everyone $10 to $20 dollars a month extra to download where you want & how you want and then there will be no legal action against anyone, but these greedy A**es will never do anything that makes since. I am from the USA & this whole entire world has gone to hell since that Dumb A** Prez P u**y Bush has been in office here in the good old USA aka(The Full Of Sh*t capitalist out for blood scum suckers of life) & yes I am American, but I am sorry it sucks to be one at this moment & most of us are imbarrassed to be one, well atleast I am because (MR Bush) started all of this Crap & now every country is running around criminalizing regular everyday people that use to purchase thing legaly, but these Big Biz a**holes outsourced all of our american jobs to china & india, that now they are reaping what they sou & good those a**holes deserve it. They send our soldiers to fight & then when our soldiers get back all fu**ed up, then they turn there back on them, boy hell is going to be crowded( & good). Here in california these gov idiots went after these little teenagers that was hopping on some of the open wireless networks near by & they were just checking there email & these idiots went after them & then made them criminals, this is pathetic, while the real criminals run rampid in these fu**ed up streets. Sometimes I wonder about this life & this world( Are we in hell already, because it sure feels like it.) But I say Fu** Govs everywhere because they are the problem & will always be. Capitalist suc* , they are about no one but themselves I think it is a shame that these idiot Big Biz Bloodsuc*ers are trying to make criminals out of there customers & fan base. What these idiots do not realize is people steal go a buy the product, but most people want to try before you buy, plus the one up for download the quality usually sucks anyway, so these clowns are getting there panties in a bunch for no apparent reason. We alot of money for internet access, but I think these idots should just make a deal with our isp’s all around the world & just charge everyone $10 to $20 dollars a month extra to download where you want & how you want and then there will be no legal action against anyone, but these greedy A**es will never do anything that makes since. I am from the USA & this whole entire world has gone to hell since that Dumb A** Prez P u**y Bush has been in office here in the good old USA aka(The Full Of Sh*t capitalist out for blood scum suckers of life) & yes I am American, but I am sorry it sucks to be one at this moment & most of us are imbarrassed to be one, well atleast I am because (MR Bush) started all of this Crap & now every country is running around criminalizing regular everyday people that use to purchase thing legaly, but these Big Biz a**holes outsourced all of our american jobs to china & india, that now they are reaping what they sou & good those a**holes deserve it. They send our soldiers to fight & then when our soldiers get back all fu**ed up, then they turn there back on them, boy hell is going to be crowded( & good). Here in california these gov idiots went after these little teenagers that was hopping on some of the open wireless networks near by & they were just checking there email & these idiots went after them & then made them criminals, this is pathetic, while the real criminals run rampid in these fu**ed up streets. Sometimes I wonder about this life & this world( Are we in hell already, because it sure feels like it.) But I say Fu** Govs everywhere because they are the problem & will always be. Capitalist suc* , they are about no one but themselves

]]> By: ouch http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-434387 ouch Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:50:48 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-434387 one word comes to mind "holy Shit" one word comes to mind
“holy Shit”

]]> By: slb99 http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-434354 slb99 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:42:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-434354 Get over to the register.com they have a story on this saying that isp have reached agreement to have new model in place were subcripers pay the isp a set fee and can download and share as much as they want with out recrimination system due to be put in place by october im am pirate and have amassvie movie tv show and mp3 colection and have no problem with downloading for free . but if this does come in to place and is a reasonable price i will defently b e signing up Get over to the register.com they have a story on this saying that isp have reached agreement to have new model in place

were subcripers pay the isp a set fee and can download and share as much as they want with out recrimination

system due to be put in place by october

im am pirate and have amassvie movie tv show and mp3 colection and have no problem with downloading for free . but if this does come in to place and is a reasonable price i will defently b e signing up

]]> By: anon http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-434030 anon Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:25:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-434030 96 GET 96 GET

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-431228 Anonymous Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:06:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-431228 idiots, torrentfreak is full of sensationalist shit, half the stuff they post is not credible idiots, torrentfreak is full of sensationalist shit, half the stuff they post is not credible

]]> By: gimp th pimp http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430925 gimp th pimp Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:08:13 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430925 All aXXo, FXG and KLAXXON rips are also at http://www.defftone.zzl.org plus ALOT more others they search the torrent sites so you dont need to EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE All aXXo, FXG and KLAXXON rips are also at http://www.defftone.zzl.org plus ALOT more others
they search the torrent sites so you dont need to
EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430704 #YLS# Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:39:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430704 @92 Yeh it doesn't affect there pocket one bit, but in the long run doesn't it prove that if they lost all that data traffic for 1 day. surely they'd see the effect if all of us torrenters just suddenly dissapeared and didn't use their services anymore? Now I might not be wrong but we have all these comments, and we leave are battles to the likes of TPB... Comments mean nothing, we need action, not just VPNs to go further underground. Just think if TPB, mininova, isohunt... all are favorites went down for 24 hours... we might just realise how much these guys have done for us, globally! Alot would have cried foul and shut down at the fist sign of a legal threat. I could go on, but if people want me to shut up then sure. I just think sharing not just about the files it's about the community. @92

Yeh it doesn’t affect there pocket one bit, but in the long run doesn’t it prove that if they lost all that data traffic for 1 day.

surely they’d see the effect if all of us torrenters just suddenly dissapeared and didn’t use their services anymore?

Now I might not be wrong but we have all these comments, and we leave are battles to the likes of TPB… Comments mean nothing, we need action, not just VPNs to go further underground.

Just think if TPB, mininova, isohunt… all are favorites went down for 24 hours… we might just realise how much these guys have done for us, globally! Alot would have cried foul and shut down at the fist sign of a legal threat.

I could go on, but if people want me to shut up then sure. I just think sharing not just about the files it’s about the community.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430695 Anonymous Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:25:52 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430695 @91 Question: how will that do anything? They charge a flat rate most of the time, and so it won't amount to a boycott of any kind. @91
Question: how will that do anything? They charge a flat rate most of the time, and so it won’t amount to a boycott of any kind.

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430661 #YLS# Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:56:49 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430661 Actually I think it's becoming a good point to go off line… not for ever… but the UK needs to hold a national 'Pull the Plug' day! everyone powers down their Net connections for 24 hours to show ISPs that they can't just bend over, if they do… we're looking to walk! Comment if you agree? Actually I think it’s becoming a good point to go off line… not for ever…

but the UK needs to hold a national ‘Pull the Plug’ day! everyone powers down their Net connections for 24 hours to show ISPs that they can’t just bend over, if they do… we’re looking to walk!

Comment if you agree?

]]> By: asd http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430624 asd Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:38:35 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430624 "are now involved in "serious negotiations" over how to deal with what they perceive to be a serious threat to their business model." Solution: get with the times and find a new business model. “are now involved in “serious negotiations” over how to deal with what they perceive to be a serious threat to their business model.”

Solution: get with the times and find a new business model.

]]> By: A Concerned Citizen http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430532 A Concerned Citizen Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:15:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430532 I think it's time for alittle anarchy, Anarchy in the UK, that is. I think it’s time for alittle anarchy, Anarchy in the UK, that is.

]]> By: ....-=-.... http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430528 ....-=-.... Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:12:55 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430528 "FAGS" That's very constructive “FAGS”
That’s very constructive

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430019 Anonymous Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:24:48 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430019 "most of them are edging towards $20" this always has me puzzled. Last time I checked (about 2 years ago) they were edging toward $40, and they haven't come down. also isn't boycotting 'conspiracy to defraud the music industry'? -an apparent crime which I've never heard of a law against “most of them are edging towards $20″ this always has me puzzled. Last time I checked (about 2 years ago) they were edging toward $40, and they haven’t come down.

also isn’t boycotting ‘conspiracy to defraud the music industry’? -an apparent crime which I’ve never heard of a law against

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-430008 Anonymous Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:09:43 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-430008 isp's should take a lesson from the media industries when they see something may be threatening their livelihood. Never give up. Stall, delay, rant, argue, beg, plead, threaten, harass, bribe, litigate, bluff, lie, feign co-operation, cajole, humiliate, propagandize, bully, intimidate, embarrass. Then start all over again using different tactics of same legal, quasi legal, illegal, and immoral activity. By this time nobody will realize you've restarted the agenda. Eventually they'll put you in the too hard basket and it will become routine, boring, relaxed, and out of the limelight. isp’s should take a lesson from the media industries when they see something may be threatening their livelihood. Never give up. Stall, delay, rant, argue, beg, plead, threaten, harass, bribe, litigate, bluff, lie, feign co-operation, cajole, humiliate, propagandize, bully, intimidate, embarrass. Then start all over again using different tactics of same legal, quasi legal, illegal, and immoral activity. By this time nobody will realize you’ve restarted the agenda. Eventually they’ll put you in the too hard basket and it will become routine, boring, relaxed, and out of the limelight.

]]> By: dave http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429946 dave Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:34:57 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429946 surely if enough of us refuse POINT BLANK they can't criminalize us?! You can't sue 6 million people if they say fuck off. surely if enough of us refuse POINT BLANK they can’t criminalize us?! You can’t sue 6 million people if they say fuck off.

]]> By: Baux http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429803 Baux Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:35:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429803 @64: If 1 million people thought the same as you (and that is an easy and simple thought process) then that would mean that 1 million people simply evaporate and don't count. @64: If 1 million people thought the same as you (and that is an easy and simple thought process) then that would mean that 1 million people simply evaporate and don’t count.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429744 Anonymous Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:26:06 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429744 TPB VPN yay TPB VPN yay

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429592 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:48:34 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429592 Ya i agree that move so fast had to be made by a large bride to their campanion funds or by them threating to black list all their music concerts and sales time things from the country there for limiting the tax revune but more likly a bride Honestly I am seriously thinking about moving my self and m family else where I belive in freedom and I dont belive in being bullyed by a company that is trying to run a bussiness like it's 1990 rather then 2008 things change they havnt their old men in suits who refuse to move on with the times. Ya i agree that move so fast had to be made by a large bride to their campanion funds or by them threating to black list all their music concerts and sales time things from the country there for limiting the tax revune but more likly a bride Honestly I am seriously thinking about moving my self and m family else where I belive in freedom and I dont belive in being bullyed by a company that is trying to run a bussiness like it’s 1990 rather then 2008 things change they havnt their old men in suits who refuse to move on with the times.

]]> By: SCREW music and movies and tv http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429559 SCREW music and movies and tv Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:38:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429559 AND when you listen to this: JUST turn off the net dont download, dont buy music dont buy dont buy. do this until after christmas and let them suffer with complete loss of sales, WORLD WIDE BOYCOTT TIME. SAY NO TO MUSIC SAY NO TO ISP, AND INTERNET TURN OFF YOUR CABLE OR SATELLITE just watch what you already have or listen to what you already have. trade directly to friends via NON telcom no cable means. TIME to remove there ability to "monetize the net" AND when you listen to this:

JUST turn off the net dont download, dont buy music dont buy dont buy.

do this until after christmas and let them suffer with complete loss of sales, WORLD WIDE BOYCOTT TIME.
SAY NO TO MUSIC
SAY NO TO ISP, AND INTERNET
TURN OFF YOUR CABLE OR SATELLITE

just watch what you already have or listen to what you already have.

trade directly to friends via NON telcom no cable means.

TIME to remove there ability to “monetize the net”

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429492 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:41:53 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429492 The case against buying CDs: --The RIAA is a cartel (one step away from a monopoly), and it uses its power to corrupt our ever-corruptible politicians and laws in its own selfish interest. --The so-called "loudness war". The industry now produces an inferior product when it comes to audio fidelity. (A great, short explanation can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ) --CDs are overpriced, and have been for most of their existence (if not all of it). Check the MSRP of CDs on Amazon; most of them are edging towards $20. (Also, anyone remember that little price-rigging thing the RIAA got called-out on? Another result of being a cartel.) --They sue their own customers. I don't think much more needs to be said on this one, but historically speaking, such a crazy tactic doesn't bring the intended results. --The refusal of the industry to adapt to the new digital world. Where are the lossless downloads (and why do they always cost more when they're available)? Where are the DRM-free files? --And of course, the artists usually don't own the actual rights to their own work. (That's what a non-competitive oligopoly gets you.) Why enrich an industry that has, since its inception, ripped off the artist? The case against buying CDs:

–The RIAA is a cartel (one step away from a monopoly), and it uses its power to corrupt our ever-corruptible politicians and laws in its own selfish interest.
–The so-called “loudness war”. The industry now produces an inferior product when it comes to audio fidelity. (A great, short explanation can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ)
–CDs are overpriced, and have been for most of their existence (if not all of it). Check the MSRP of CDs on Amazon; most of them are edging towards $20. (Also, anyone remember that little price-rigging thing the RIAA got called-out on? Another result of being a cartel.)
–They sue their own customers. I don’t think much more needs to be said on this one, but historically speaking, such a crazy tactic doesn’t bring the intended results.
–The refusal of the industry to adapt to the new digital world. Where are the lossless downloads (and why do they always cost more when they’re available)? Where are the DRM-free files?
–And of course, the artists usually don’t own the actual rights to their own work. (That’s what a non-competitive oligopoly gets you.) Why enrich an industry that has, since its inception, ripped off the artist?

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429393 #YLS# Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:58:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429393 @ 78 Sadly we the dloaders aren't getting the coverage we need and if you were court fined or even jailed people wouldn't hear about it. Would the average Virgin customer know about the new restrictions on them? I doubt it With Sweden they supported like 90% against Wire Tapping and they still losted... There are organisations fighting for this in the UK, but you've got to support them. @ 78

Sadly we the dloaders aren’t getting the coverage we need and if you were court fined or even jailed people wouldn’t hear about it.

Would the average Virgin customer know about the new restrictions on them? I doubt it

With Sweden they supported like 90% against Wire Tapping and they still losted…

There are organisations fighting for this in the UK, but you’ve got to support them.

]]> By: Lord http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429319 Lord Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:54:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429319 Once the population hears about this in it's true description they will go against the Government who will have to have answers for a lot of questions. I want them to take me to court. I'd make sure I got coverage. I love arguing, especially when I know I'm right. Put me in prison, fine me. I have no money and I'd love some compensation for serving a prison sentace for something I shouldn't have been in there for. BRING IT ON!!! I hate waiting. Once the population hears about this in it’s true description they will go against the Government who will have to have answers for a lot of questions. I want them to take me to court. I’d make sure I got coverage. I love arguing, especially when I know I’m right. Put me in prison, fine me. I have no money and I’d love some compensation for serving a prison sentace for something I shouldn’t have been in there for. BRING IT ON!!! I hate waiting.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429237 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:34:30 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429237 dont shoot the messenger! dont shoot the messenger!

]]> By: From Darkness Into Light http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429140 From Darkness Into Light Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:40:02 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429140 Hehe, they're scared. I sincerely look forward to observing the outcome of this upcoming trainwreck. Boogie, boogie, boogie! Hehe, they’re scared. I sincerely look forward to observing the outcome of this upcoming trainwreck.

Boogie, boogie, boogie!

]]> By: JImmy Dean http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429014 JImmy Dean Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:28:28 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429014 Scrw the music industry! Everyone shoould STOP buying stupid CDs right away STOP BUYING THE CRAP and strip them of their power. Screww the RIAA. JT http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com Scrw the music industry! Everyone shoould STOP buying stupid CDs right away STOP BUYING THE CRAP and strip them of their power. Screww the RIAA.

JT
http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com

]]> By: living on hell island http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-429009 living on hell island Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:20:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-429009 I hope feargal sharkey gets cat aids I hope feargal sharkey gets cat aids

]]> By: Lisa http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428931 Lisa Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:27:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428931 This Virgin is a whore. This Virgin is a whore.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428911 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:05:08 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428911 Bugger... So, I'm with Virgin Media at the minute and looking for another ISP to switch to and now this? Are any of them "safe"? Bugger…

So, I’m with Virgin Media at the minute and looking for another ISP to switch to and now this?

Are any of them “safe”?

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428861 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:26:23 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428861 There are some important facts to consider in this discussion: 1. Why should the government feel the need to legislate to protect an industry in decline simply because the industry in question is incapable of adapting to a new business model? 2. By doing so, are they then declaring that any industry sector can go to them to create laws to protect their business should they fail to adapt to a changing market? 3. How will this legislation catch anyone with a modicum of technical savvy? The only people who will fall foul of this proposed law will be average Joe who occasionally looks for a few tunes via BitTorrent or Limewire. 4. Many people who download films or music do so only with the media that they would never buy and are just curious to see it/hear it and then discard it. For example, I may never listen to the entire Flaming Lips discograpghy and I have never and will never buy one of their albums...but I downloaded it anyway. No money lost to the industry as I would NEVER have bought a Flaming Lips album. HOWEVER.....if I did listen to their discography and enjoyed it I would buy the CDs in order to have a physical product. Backups are never completely secure and a couple of hard drive failures would destroy my music collection so the stuff I really like will always be in a physical format of some description. Anyway...if you're really bothered use Peer Guardian with Blocklist Manager or even a VPN service like Relakks (although Sweden's got its own security issues at the moment) Nuff said... There are some important facts to consider in this discussion:
1. Why should the government feel the need to legislate to protect an industry in decline simply because the industry in question is incapable of adapting to a new business model?
2. By doing so, are they then declaring that any industry sector can go to them to create laws to protect their business should they fail to adapt to a changing market?
3. How will this legislation catch anyone with a modicum of technical savvy? The only people who will fall foul of this proposed law will be average Joe who occasionally looks for a few tunes via BitTorrent or Limewire.
4. Many people who download films or music do so only with the media that they would never buy and are just curious to see it/hear it and then discard it. For example, I may never listen to the entire Flaming Lips discograpghy and I have never and will never buy one of their albums…but I downloaded it anyway. No money lost to the industry as I would NEVER have bought a Flaming Lips album. HOWEVER…..if I did listen to their discography and enjoyed it I would buy the CDs in order to have a physical product. Backups are never completely secure and a couple of hard drive failures would destroy my music collection so the stuff I really like will always be in a physical format of some description.
Anyway…if you’re really bothered use Peer Guardian with Blocklist Manager or even a VPN service like Relakks (although Sweden’s got its own security issues at the moment)
Nuff said…

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428857 #YLS# Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:23:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428857 @64 & 65 Well I can't speak for ORG, but from the looks of things http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ are actually tryin to defend are rights. SADLY they seem to be under funded and under supported. Maybe if you point out what you feel is wrong about the UK's digital laws they'll start campaigning more in that direction. @64 & 65

Well I can’t speak for ORG, but from the looks of things http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ are actually tryin to defend are rights. SADLY they seem to be under funded and under supported.

Maybe if you point out what you feel is wrong about the UK’s digital laws they’ll start campaigning more in that direction.

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428854 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:20:50 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428854 EDIT2: Does one have to ( Too angry to post correctly, sorry! ) EDIT2: Does one have to ( Too angry to post correctly, sorry! )

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428851 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:19:29 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428851 EDIT: Does one has to EDIT: Does one has to

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428848 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:18:00 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428848 @ 64 How many times do one has to reiterate it? TOR IS NOT FOR FILESHARING, got it now? @ 64
How many times do one has to reiterate it? TOR IS NOT FOR FILESHARING, got it now?

]]> By: Amomymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428811 Amomymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:28:37 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428811 Why is this discussion only between the governement and ISPs? Shouldn't filesharers and/or ISP customers and consumers organisations be included? Should we start a lobbying body on behalf of P2P users? Let's start a P2P-rights website and visit this every day so we can pay some lobbyists from the ad revenue. Why is this discussion only between the governement and ISPs? Shouldn’t filesharers and/or ISP customers and consumers organisations be included? Should we start a lobbying body on behalf of P2P users?
Let’s start a P2P-rights website and visit this every day so we can pay some lobbyists from the ad revenue.

]]> By: CMG http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428776 CMG Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:38:38 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428776 @24 As in, using the onion network? TOR has been around for a while, just people don't know how to use it or can't be bothered... And about the article, why not start a protest then? Give a date and time and i'm sure TF has enough users reading (maybe not responding) to help out. File-sharing is about generosity after all! @24

As in, using the onion network? TOR has been around for a while, just people don’t know how to use it or can’t be bothered…

And about the article, why not start a protest then? Give a date and time and i’m sure TF has enough users reading (maybe not responding) to help out. File-sharing is about generosity after all!

]]> By: EB http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428775 EB Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:37:56 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428775 @20 You think our vote counts? Seriously? @20
You think our vote counts?

Seriously?

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428772 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:34:46 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428772 Why some of you talk about moving outside a country instead of doing something to make it worth living in? I fucking hate this cowardliness, can't you see they are passing laws to make slaves out of you? Bloody hell, get up for your rights. How on earth can one accept the fact that a mass product like music can't be afforded by the working class? Hit the streets and show those scumbags politicians who owns the power, PEOPLE! Why some of you talk about moving outside a country instead of doing something to make it worth living in? I fucking hate this cowardliness, can’t you see they are passing laws to make slaves out of you? Bloody hell, get up for your rights. How on earth can one accept the fact that a mass product like music can’t be afforded by the working class? Hit the streets and show those scumbags politicians who owns the power, PEOPLE!

]]> By: ME http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428764 ME Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:25:11 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428764 MOVE TO THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF FILE SHARING.NO body has been caught or there was never a history of people being put to jail since the begining of filesharing. Ask the government what filesharing is and they'll just say *Its following the law of god and being nice to others because your sharing to someone*.hahahahahhaa MOVE TO THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF FILE SHARING.NO body has been caught or there was never a history of people being put to jail since the begining of filesharing. Ask the government what filesharing is and they’ll just say *Its following the law of god and being nice to others because your sharing to someone*.hahahahahhaa

]]> By: ha http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428700 ha Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:57:26 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428700 kudos to the old adage "where theres a will theres a way." Pirates will continue to exsist as long as there continue to be huge Douche Bags like the M^#%P&#%^A&#*%^A. ;] kudos to the old adage “where theres a will theres a way.” Pirates will continue to exsist as long as there continue to be huge Douche Bags like the M^#%P&#%^A&#*%^A. ;]

]]> By: #YLS# http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428696 #YLS# Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:53:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428696 I like many people were seem to be all thinking about the same thing... Immigration from the UK. It's sad that a country that's under attack from people who want to suppress are rights are only taking action to do so... I'm looking at http://www.openrightsgroup.org Maybe they're the answer we need? I like many people were seem to be all thinking about the same thing… Immigration from the UK.

It’s sad that a country that’s under attack from people who want to suppress are rights are only taking action to do so…

I’m looking at http://www.openrightsgroup.org

Maybe they’re the answer we need?

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428661 Anonymous Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:02:22 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428661 Wow, I was going to buy Juno today but guess I'll use that money for a beer. No money for lobbyfags! Wow, I was going to buy Juno today but guess I’ll use that money for a beer. No money for lobbyfags!

]]> By: stacy http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428624 stacy Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:08:41 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428624 hope we can get them for free one day! like u go online dating and get free service from, say, _RIDERLOVE.COM_ my friends get a load from there anyway! hope we can get them for free one day! like u go online dating and get free service from, say, _RIDERLOVE.COM_ my friends get a load from there anyway!

]]> By: netuser123 http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428616 netuser123 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:02:31 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428616 My response to these corrupt politicians n organisations - "Bring em on...." :) My response to these corrupt politicians n organisations – “Bring em on….” :)

]]> By: Putin 08 http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428609 Putin 08 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:55:45 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428609 <i><b>Socky the Sockpuppet: "Because really, if you are really going to solve the problem of the politicians going against file-sharing, you have to first solve the problem of the people's public opinion supporting their opposition to file-sharing. Ignoring it does not help, and only by addressing this issue can this problem be at all alleviated."</i></b> If the people are against filesharing, then let's see you explain why the number of filesharers keeps dramatically increasing year-over-year. I'm afraid you'll also have to explain how it grew from a paltry number of users pissing around on Napster, to tens of millions of users apread out across BitTorrent/Gnutella/eDonkey etc. in under a decade. You're trying to frame these crooked politicians as somehow serving the will of the people, and that's just a laugh and a half. In reality, they're nothing more than prostitutes serving their own sense of greed by getting down on their knees and sucking the dick of the nearest John in sight. You know what <i>really</i> doesn't help, Spiff? Listening to some half-baked sockpuppet like you and your equally half-baked bullshit that everybody should stop focusing on he real issue(corrupt policy-makers and the criminal organizations that woo them), and instead chase after a phony one(the public and their imaginary opposition to filesharing). Socky the Sockpuppet: “Because really, if you are really going to solve the problem of the politicians going against file-sharing, you have to first solve the problem of the people’s public opinion supporting their opposition to file-sharing. Ignoring it does not help, and only by addressing this issue can this problem be at all alleviated.”

If the people are against filesharing, then let’s see you explain why the number of filesharers keeps dramatically increasing year-over-year.

I’m afraid you’ll also have to explain how it grew from a paltry number of users pissing around on Napster, to tens of millions of users apread out across BitTorrent/Gnutella/eDonkey etc. in under a decade.

You’re trying to frame these crooked politicians as somehow serving the will of the people, and that’s just a laugh and a half. In reality, they’re nothing more than prostitutes serving their own sense of greed by getting down on their knees and sucking the dick of the nearest John in sight.

You know what really doesn’t help, Spiff? Listening to some half-baked sockpuppet like you and your equally half-baked bullshit that everybody should stop focusing on he real issue(corrupt policy-makers and the criminal organizations that woo them), and instead chase after a phony one(the public and their imaginary opposition to filesharing).

]]> By: Baux http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428584 Baux Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:31:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428584 There are two points the anonymous idiot on the 2nd page isn't mentioning. File sharing is not affecting profits at all, like their propaganda claims. Eg: "Paramount Pictures and Marvel Studios' Iron Man exceeded all expectations, earning a massive $100.75 million during its opening weekend domestically" Also the industry could end this now by adapting and making everything available via torrents and charging a small amount for the content. But they aren't. Governments should be demanding they adapt to market forces. There are two points the anonymous idiot on the 2nd page isn’t mentioning.

File sharing is not affecting profits at all, like their propaganda claims.

Eg: “Paramount Pictures and Marvel Studios’ Iron Man exceeded all expectations, earning a massive $100.75 million during its opening weekend domestically”

Also the industry could end this now by adapting and making everything available via torrents and charging a small amount for the content. But they aren’t. Governments should be demanding they adapt to market forces.

]]> By: lol http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428540 lol Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:29:18 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428540 I can't figure out exactly what this article is trying to say. It's all very vague and speculative, no? Seems to be a common theme on TorrentFreak really. I can’t figure out exactly what this article is trying to say.

It’s all very vague and speculative, no?

Seems to be a common theme on TorrentFreak really.

]]> By: pj http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428486 pj Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:08:40 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428486 ...and the great dinosaur lifted its head up too late to see the meteor hurtling toward him. Moments later everything he had known and would know was gone... This is just another desperate last gasp from an industry that has become irrelevant to the growing majority of citizens and netizens alike. In ten years we'll look back and have a good chuckle at all this, while downloading the latest and greatest from our favorite independent bands and creative artists. *The Dinosaurs Must Die* …and the great dinosaur lifted its head up too late to see the meteor hurtling toward him. Moments later everything he had known and would know was gone…

This is just another desperate last gasp from an industry that has become irrelevant to the growing majority of citizens and netizens alike. In ten years we’ll look back and have a good chuckle at all this, while downloading the latest and greatest from our favorite independent bands and creative artists.

*The Dinosaurs Must Die*

]]> By: Anonymous http://torrentfreak.com/government-holds-a-gun-to-the-head-of-isps-over-p2p-080623/#comment-428478 Anonymous Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:54:27 +0000 http://torrentfreak.com/?p=2909#comment-428478 The internet will soon be another controlled entity, and you will have no rights at all....Cyber-brother looking at you.... The internet will soon be another controlled entity, and you will have no rights at all….Cyber-brother looking at you….

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