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GreedyTorrent: The Deadly BitTorrent Sin

Maintaining a respectable ratio on a BitTorrent tracker can be a drawn-out task. The vast majority of users understand this, warm in the knowledge that whatever they upload helps their peers to download more quickly. Some users do not care about such things, and turn to ratio hacking applications like GreedyTorrent.

greedytorrent ratio hackDeveloped by India-based Alex NJ in C++ using the wxWidgets library, GreedyTorrent is a freeware application which enables BitTorrent clients to report to a BitTorrent tracker that they are uploading more than they actually are.

Although the BitTorrent protocol employs a tit for tat method to ensure a certain level of sharing, some sites insist that members maintain a ratio close to 1:1 – i.e uploading the same amount as a downloaded. These ratio enforcement policies actively intervene with the altruistic design of the BitTorrent protocol, and make it hard for people to maintain a positive ratio, even if they want to.

Failing to maintain a good ratio on private trackers usually results in a ban from the tracker. Some trackers even force users with a lower ration to give a donation, in exchange for some from of upload credit. However, it’s acknowledged that it can be very difficult (and mathematically impossible for all users) to honestly maintain a ratio in certain circumstances. The GreedyTorrent site lists two situations where most difficulties arise:

1. If a user has an internet connection where the download speed is far greater than the upload, it means that generally for every hour spent downloading, 4 to 10 times more time needs to be spent uploading which may prove restrictive for some.

2. Almost all torrents on private trackers have many more seeds than leeches, mainly due to the fact that everyone is trying to upload as much as they can to improve their ratio. Of course, this makes it absolutely impossible for everyone to achieve a ratio of 1:1, especially where many users have ratios in excess of this.

It’s for these situations that GreedyTorrent claims to have been designed. The user can configure the application to report to the tracker that they are uploading more than they actually are – by default this is set at 5 times the actual upload amount – ADSL connections usually have an upload speed of 4 to 5 times slower than the download so that is probably the logic employed here.

GreedyTorrent is not a BitTorrent client itself, and claims to operate invisibly to the tracker administrator, displaying only the attributes of a genuine high-speed uploader. This of course will remain to be seen.

Greedy people exist in all sections of society but it is the unconditional altruism of most in the BitTorrent community that has ensured its meteoric rise to success over the last few years. Luckily, most torrenters are very happy to upload, warm in the knowledge that whatever they give today, they will more than likely get back tomorrow.

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  • Yatti

    Wow people who use this must excessively abuse the 1:1 system… There should be no use for this…My Upload is so throttled at my ISP at the moment, I dont get kicked off trackers though.. I still do my share of uploading.. Its just sad..

  • Dude

    It’s dead easy to cheat on most private torrent sites. I tried something (won’t tell you idiots) on 3 sites and it worked each time. Now it’s been some weeks and I am not banned.
    Woot.

  • Pete

    Ah what good reasons they have…

    1. Throttle your download speed so that you upload at the same speed you are downloading. May take more time, but that wont kill you. (my own download speed is 5 times greater than upload)

    2. Upload your own torrents? Just keep seeding? Seed the more populair torrents? (works for me)

    Oh well..

  • dpoip

    shu mod is so uber-leet it pwnz dis shit. still this is good for ppl who dont use azureus cuz it runs on that bloated java shit.

  • paperslug

    Sickens me that people use this. BitTorrent is for sharing mostly leechers use this to elp them keep leeching.

  • Dodgeme

    Good tool to get started on some private torrent but useless on public one.

    Testing it right now with azeureus on a well seeded private torrent and some strage things is happening to Azeureus. Some text menu look like arabic or something… thats most strange…

  • Liars

    I used this for Oink.me.uk to even out my ratio. and it banned me instantly

  • Jasper van Weerd

    Great! to Liars… just curious how they detect it.

  • V

    Thanks for the information! – A great application that I will use in the future.

  • Dodgeme

    I just got banned from a private site. I recommened not using it even if you have legitimate reason too.

  • Liars

    I don’t know how they can detect it… But so far i’m not banned on a few but it gives me a tracker error saying Target Machine Actively Refuses Your Connection… So even if you don’t get banned you wont be able to connect to anything

  • Liars

    [quote comment="63312"]Thanks for the information! – A great application that I will use in the future.[/quote]

    Yeah, perhaps we shouldn’t post stories that may have a negative impact on the bittorrent community.

    I was testing to see if these private trackers were vulnerable… looks like most know how to protect themselves.

  • non oink user oO

    [quote comment="63284"]I used this for Oink.me.uk to even out my ratio. and it banned me instantly[/quote]
    i was just about to try this on oink, thnx for the heads up

  • Ben

    Are you kidding me? I cross my fingers and hope that one day I can get on oink, why would anyone try to abuse that one?

    Anyway, the best way I’ve found to keep your upload ratio up is to find something small and consistently popular on the tracker, download it, and set it to seed indefinitely, leaving your client on whenever you’re on the computer. Problem solved.

  • Johnston

    I encourage all that want to use this to use it. Just by looking at the site I can see how to detect this. Really if you use this at a private site and don’t get banned, the admins are incompetent or don’t care.

  • Liars

    My ratio on oink was so poor anyway i would have eventually been banned anyone who uses oink knows keeping a good ratio is hell there… i thought i had to try something

  • Jpeezy

    OiNK is notorious for catching cheaters. It is probably the hardest private tracker to cheat on. Most other sites will not catch you with the better cheat mods.

  • Brian

    Well, i’m @ oink and i know if you even attempt to use such a thing is you’d get a disabled account pretty damn fast..

  • Bullshit

    oink is great. use the holiday seasons to upload and maintain ratios. and f#$n’ seed something. fill a request or something.

  • Owen

    This is cheating – plain and simple. If you get caught on a private tracker using this, you should (and will) be banned. No ratio will help you then.

    That being said, I think a 0.5 ratio is a much fairer target for users to achieve, and should be the standard.

  • oscar

    THIs tool rockzzzzz!! fukcking oink and sceneaccess and torrentbytes banned me but tthey sucks but it works on torrentleech i cheated 200 Gb last week with this lol so now i never have to upload again LOL! i hate fucking leechers htat steal my bandwitdh so this prgram is very usful to me i rekcomend it to you all of you!!

  • milk

    hey oscar, shut up.

  • Demo

    “i cheated 200 Gb last week with this lol so now i never have to upload again LOL! i hate fucking leechers ”

    Fuckwit.

  • Jeepers47

    So, how can trackers detect this? Please anyone with that info, do post it. I am trying to launch a private tracker site and would like to know.

  • Theman

    Why the hell do you post this shit.

    It brings the underworld to light and tempts many many users to go and try this program.

    Thaks for killing the bittorrent scene. I would take this down right away.

  • Ozthepissedoffhippy

    Yeah , this article seem to say it’s ok to use this and it’s not possible to keep a good ratio anyways so you should feel no guilt.

    Everybody likes to argue the math but the truth is you start off even with new content and your ratio can only go up. Without new content bittorrent would be dead in just a few months.

    So go ahead and use this and soon there will be nothing to download…..

    OR

    Pull something off your shelf and start a new torrent and share.

    Haven’t you taken enough already ?

  • Jolix

    I consider this malware. It’s sad i saw it on this site. I am embarrassed for this site.

  • bitty

    hey this rocks and uses in small amounts it rocks ive just manged to use it on oink with it and ive set it so it 2 x upload it just looks like ive got a 3/4 meg upload seed there no way to detect this if used propally and a few other privet sites it works great , it not for new uses on those sites they may will spot you quickly if you go much over 3 x upload and never use it 2,3,4 or more x your download you will ask for trouble then

    a cool tool for these anal private site who beat on about ratios i seed mine as much as most but i dont like being told i have to do this!!! or that !!

  • Netmaster

    I thank this site for letting me know about such tools. Ignorance is never good, even in the case of knowing something that is wrong. Torrentfreak should not censure any kind of information just because it is wrong to use them. The people have to make their own mind.

  • ppj

    Perhaps an update to the tracker software can stop the use of these kinds of cheats. On the greedytorrent site there are pics posted of the app, and it shows that you must set a fixed ratio for what you want to report as upload versus what you’ve downloaded.

    Furthermore for a tracker the sum of all I/O should be zero.

  • eliphant0723

    “…Leechers that steal my Bandwidth…”

    Oscar, WTF are you talking about? You need leechers for BitTorrent to work. Idiot.

  • fuzzyslippers

    If you need to cheat you don’t belong in private sites. Give back a little something, because you’re getting all this stuff for free, and at enormous speed anyhow.

    I can maintain a good ratio with my shitty upload rate, so everyone should be able to.

  • HitMeWithIt

    This really fucking sucks.
    About the ‘torrentfreak should never censor…let the people make their own minds up…’ sorry that is a load of bullshit. Most of these wankers that are looking for ways of cheating and finding softwares like the one in the article, are children1 Look at their comments for christs’ sake! so they can’t be trusted to ‘make their own minds up’ as they haven’t got the maturity to make ‘the right decision’ when it comes to keeping the torrent scene healthy and paying back as well as taking.
    I hate censorship. Definitely. I really hate it.
    Yet sometimes keeping certain information from the ‘kids’ is the ONLY way to slow down their finding things out!
    Parents agree I’m sure!
    So stop posting SHIT about these fake/cheating clients will you?
    This is where I always seem to hear about crap software like this and you must realise that, as soon as the article goes live here, the cheating software gets a load of hits and probably sales to their site…
    Gonna start selling fucking ad space to these kinds of software next? You might as well.
    This site is supposed to be in support of what we all do not helping the word get out on SHIT SOFTWARE that HAS NO VALUE except to the creator and the selfish kids.

    Phew….Rant

  • DonkeyKong

    its very easy to cheat on private sites with tools like this. the secret is never abuse this tool (or other tools like nrg ratiomaster,shumod,hacked clients,etc).

    i use this on oink, iv never been banned. i cheat in small chunks spread out in days, which add up to huge amounts in no time. they have never detect this type cheating.

  • Caramelo

    HitMeWithIt… shut the fuckup!!

  • Akkad

    Well, I’ve been a programmer now for nearly 30 years. (oops, giving away my age) It’s modestly easy to detect ratio manipulating software. Trackers just don’t care for the most part. You have to write some code and devote some resources to do it. Anytime they start caring, there will be an end to ratio manipulation, it’s just that simple.

  • dragon

    Well.. its not that simple, in fact. The problem is how would you detect whether a user is coming via GT or not?? Apparently it leaves absolutely no traces at all.

  • someguy

    i dont use this, dont need to, but if you think about it all you are doing is cheating a system that is designed to cheat other systems

    and dont say that you download all legal content that is just crap

  • sari23

    people, this software is good…But I don`t use it because I know a way of downloading everything and not get banned from any tracker.. it`s so easy.. I use oink and others private trackers… I have downloaded more than 200gb from oink using my trick and still on it, never get banned hahaha, it`s simple and without a software…

    bye the way and not a leecher.. I AM A SEEDER-HELPER (BECAUSE SEEDERS ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR RATIO)…HAHAHAHA

  • Mike

    I laugh when I see pointless software (such as this worthless program) and they make an image of it in a box, even though it will never actually be in a box because no one would ever buy it.

    This is software designed to hurt the p2p community, why the fuck is it being advertised here on this site?

    And the losers who reply “I use this, its uber!” or “I cheat private trackers, I’m so clever!” well you people don’t have an ounce of worth. Why even reply to this with a comment like that unless you are a real loser to begin with.

    Anyway, no one really cares, you will all be banned and the rest of us will continue to share our files with everyone, slowly but surely reclaiming our ratio.

  • LoneThistle

    Anybody who uses this crap needs to burn in he** forever!!!! This stupid mo**** f***** got all of my Oink invites taken away from me today because he tried to cheat!!! He was caught instantly!!! Now I can’t invite anyone else. I searched ratio cheats on google and found this crap!!! The person who wrote this code needs the death penalty and is no worst than a child molester!!! Keeping ratio is extremely easy to keep on Oink if you keep torrents seeded correctly. And to all of you fools out there who think cheating is cool -STAY ON PUBLIC SITES AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Stef

    oink users this may sound crazy, BUT i’m NOT ASKING for an invite..so please keep reading… There’s one CD that i’m desperate to get. and only Oink has it. If there is a way someone could d/l it for me. I’d exchange a CD or anything to help you out thanks. shoot me an email if you can help
    sassysoulchild@aol.com

  • Oink-mod

    I am a mod at oink. Please try this shit software and let me know how long it takes for you to get banned. This program may be trying to emulate the actual client but it does actually show a trace of ratio master or this shit program. i invite all of you to use this on my site.

  • Used_this_on_oik

    Hey Oink Mod,

    You tool….i use this all the time and have cheated 234gb so far so lick my nads cunteyes!

  • observer

    I don’t like this software, and I will always leech honestly, if only to not risk getting banned.

    Yet let’s not get all high and mighty people – after all, we all leech off Hollywood on a daily basis!!

  • ©Ÿ©

    Maybe most gets banned, because they use their trackernick everywhere on cheatingsites. Also if they think, they could be smart, they use the same mailaddress, and IP.

    Notice: Trackeradmins & helpers are searching for users & ban they speedy.

    So: Take a HTTP proxy, take a new mailaddy, choose a nick of your own for cheatingsites. This lowers your banrisk extremly!

  • Cheater

    You guys are illegally downloading shit and then you say that cheating on a site is wrong? You guys are losers and crybabies. And oink-mod, ive been using this on oink for a while and have yet to be banned.

  • Yeah

    Well said Cheater!

  • Sustain

    I run my own private tracker (Console-World.Org) and i think this software is lame. I have disabled the Auto Ban lower ratio users feature because of the reason that some people cant get to a decent ratio in the time needed.

    I give these people a chance to redeem themself without risk of banning (so ratio hacking my site really is pointless since your not banned anyways). Soon i will be enabling wait times for bad ratio users, i think this is a fair compromise. If a user has a bad ratio they must wait a certain amount of hours, if they have a good ratio they dont have to wait.

    However i do have 2 ratio hack detecting scripts embedded into the tracker so (most not all ofcourse) cheaters will be caught. Though like i said, there is no point ratio hacking on my tracker since there is no risk of losing your account anyways.

  • Dryden

    Good to see such an informative non-judgmental article.

  • Dryden

    Except for the introduction that is. Putting people into just two categories (caring and not caring, in this case) is never a characteristic of the wise

  • Jase

    To the guy who claims to be a mod at oink : Thats funny, I’ve been using this program for weeks now and you guys haven’t caught me. Nor have the admins at demonoid and numerous other trackers.

    It doesn’t leave a footprint thats detectable (I’ve tested it on my own temp tracker, as have others) and there is NO WAY for you to know if my ratio is faked. If someone sets their ratio to 50x in GT, than yeah, you will almost certainly catch them, but if your smart and not TOO greedy, than you can get away with it.

    So shut the fuck up, huh? Stop talking out of your ass about a subject you apparently know nothing about, Mr. “Admin”.

  • John Smith

    Use this on RevTT, it’s awsome. I use the “report upload as x*download”. Still works.

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  • Pissed

    Those fucking douchbags I swear. Cant even seed when they’re done finishing download. Now I’m half way of finish those whole damn torrent without any seeders.

    CAN THE WORLD GET ANY BETTER?

  • 128k upload

    I only have 128k upload bandwidth and that doesn’t stop my keeping 2:1 msot of the time. WTF are you guys talking about?? PARTIAL SEEDING BABY!!

  • 128kbps upload

    I also have 128kbit upload and I download TV.

    Now when things are going good I might well watch 5-6 (1h) things a day, each is at least 350Mb unless I go for the high quallity versions at 700MB-1.1GB.

    That would take me 37 hours of flat out seeding in a 24 hour period which doesn’t work especially when I need to use the upload to download too.

    And on private sites it can be very hard to upload once the torrent isn’t as fresh or you have a slow upload speed. It could take a month of trying to seed to make up for one day.

    Due to that and the fact that I pay a packet to my ISP for data anyway means I go the usenet route but if I had to use private trackers this would be my only option. (or paying)

  • Borderliner

    You illustrate the very core of cheaters erroneous logic: just because they have the possibility to leech fast and/or a lot they assume that they should. Which is bollocks.

    Broadly speaking: cheating programs hurt *everyone*. Even those who use them. Why? Simple – no real data flow. Which sooner or later results in ther tracker dieing out. Why should I stay on a tracker where people generrally upload at 500kB/s rate, but to me the data rolls at 5kB/s? Why upload stuff to a tracker where after 48h of constant seeding are around a handful of seeders besides me who all have capped their speeds on the torrent *I* uploaded to a meager 1/5th of their linespeed?

  • Borderliner

    …that of course being my understnding of things as the uploader, unaware that people are not capping, but simply liening about how much they upload.
    In theory things are great: huge amounts of moved data, all users having impressive lines for seeding, most users having 5.0+ ratio, etc, while in practise data is moving slower and slower. The difference when not using cheaters: people have no reason to make up non-realistic stats and can rely on real numbers by downloading.
    I have no problem spending a week getting a movie when I see that the seeders have slow connections, but I do have a problem when, by all accounts, everyone else gets the same stuff in 1 hour ;)

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  • Anonymous

    I am on a shitty uploads counted Australian internet plan. If i were to upload as much as I download, I am essentially paying for other to use my connection! I really want to upload, but I can’t. I only get 15gb per month! Bitorrent just eats this like nothing!

    Oh please god may this work! Im sick of being restricted to 96k….

  • Dr.Bat

    Fucking leechers, SHIIIIIIIIT.

    I HATE LEECHERS, I mean how bout this, I upload my ass off, and then some fucker get’s 200 gigs

    according to it’s developer

    (((GreedyTorrent works by the technique of protocol modification. GreedyTorrent modifies the upload quantity that your bittorrent client reports to the tracker. The protocol modification is fully transparent, i.e., the tracker has absolutely no way of differentiating between a modified and unmodified report.)))

  • Noobs 100%

    You all suck,

    If you cant fucking seed for like 20 mins then go F****** din in a F****** hole.

    I used this program on demonoid like once so i can get me ratio the f*** up then i download alot. then i seed like s*** so its all good ^^

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