Help To Fight The RIAA
Written by Ernesto on April 14, 2006I have NO words to describe the RIAA’s latest actions.
Targeting children, single mothers, and other people who have no clue what they did wrong. The RIAA precisely selects its prey, the less money, the better. Everything that’s vulnerable is perfect. Completely ignorant to the fact that peoples lives are completely RUINED.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating piracy here, I just want people to know that the RIAA is acting totally out of line here. Come on, how low can they get?
Most victims have absolutely NO clue, hardly know how a computer works, have NO money to fight back, and have NO life left.
To illustrate how desperate people get, read this email that Ray Beckerman, who’s representing a number of RIAA victims, received from the father of one the RIAA’s latest victims.
I am being sued by the RIAA for copyright infringement, and the case has been going on for the past 2 years.
So far they have deposed all 5 of my children, and my wife, and myself. I also had to fill out admissions and interrogatory answers twice so far and they are still not satisfied with my answers. Most of them I answered that I did not know. I did not know, and was completely unaware of whatever the RIAA is claiming happened. My responses were honest, but that was not good enough for them.
I am defending myself in this case because I can’t afford a lawyer, and it’s hard for me to understand all of the paperwork and the rules of the court. The RIAA is on its 6th different group of lawyers. It seems like they are bottom feeders.
I was just in court in Philadelphia with the RIAA’s Philadelphia representative.
I had been called into court by the judge, Judge Cynthia Rufe, because I had not responded to the RIAA’s second motion to compel even more discovery.
The judge gave me additional time to send in the paperwork, and stated that she intends to set up a trial date sometime in May.
The real shame is that I had no knowledge of any of this until I was served in the mail. Apparently my daughter who was 12 years old at the time had been listening to music on Kazaa
I do not even know how it got on the computer.
I know that I didn’t do anything wrong and I am going to defend myself, but I’m scared to death of the outcome.
You can HELP!, support the battle by donating to the Fight Goliath Fund
Patti is the New York working mother with five children who’s decided she’s not caving in to Sony BMG, Vivendi Universal, Warner Music or EMI, the multi-billion-dollar members of the Organized Music cartel which has been trying to extort ’settlement’ money from her, and more than 17,000 others like her, including school kids.
Help Patti take on Organized Music on and ultimately, it’ll help everyone around the world.
Donate using this button if you want to help. Let’s Do something, every 50cent is worth it.
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88 Responses
Happens all the time unfortunately…
yeah, but that’s because the people that are being sued cannot afford a proper defence.
Don’t let them get rich by forcing people to pay settlement money
If you want to fight the RIAA, stop listening to RIAA music and tell the bands why you boycott them. Vote with your money and do it loudly. You won’t win in court, thats their playground and they already bought all the laws they need to screw you there.
Make it known to the public. You buy a CD, but you’re not allowed to rip it to your MP3 player? The public NEEDS to know.
Boycott the RIAA. And the MPAA while we’re at it.
It’s our freedom at stake again. This is a recurring theme you’ll see for the rest of your life unless we do something about it.
Boycott.
The main problem this ‘innocent’ woman has is that she allows her children to go online UNSUPERVISED.
So if they run up some bills or break the law in whatever way, SHE is ultimately responsible. end of story.
‘I don’t even know how it got on there’ - talking about Kazaa. Well you allowed a 12yr old to use a PC online you pathetic moron.
She is to blame if anyone is, not her children. Notice this though: Not content withteaching her kids nothing about online security(which as we all know is a majorly important thing in these days of chatroom pedophiles etc), she is now teching her kids that she and they, are blameless. Not willing to admit to her incompetence she gleefully starts a campaign and all the while her kids think it’s great!!
Lock her up soon please. I wouldn’t give her a broken penny.
Boycott her site!
HitmeWithIt you are a complete a$$ Hole. You should just keep your mouth shut since you have absolutely no feelings towards others. Maybe you should go jump off a building head first and do the world a favor by landing on the RIAA lawyers before hitting the ground yourself.
Just ignore the comments by HitmeWithIt. He’s am RIAA plant.
HitmeWithIt Your’re right….wtf…teh man can afford a pc…how about the people who don’t have to eat the next day…and the children that have no mother or father..at what age are they going to listen to music on Kazaa and break the law???
Poisanous.
What about the people that talk a lot about all the unjust things in this world but don’t do anything?
If you don’t support it, fine. Donate your money somewhere else. Some people just want to fight for more than one thing. It’s not about who has the saddest story, it’s about doing something, standing up for things you believe in.
Since no one has taken the time too yet, allow me to completely and utterly debunk you’re “insightful” comments there Hitmewithit.
Perhaps you werent aware of this, but older people, you know, those from a different generation than myself and presumably you, didnt grow up with computers. In addition, not every single profession is completely tied into computers as one who works with them would think. Its ludicrous(sp?) to expect someone working to feed their family to learn enough about the absolute behement that is now the internet to properly understand it. Additionally, who the F##K has 3 hours to sit and “Supervise” their child as they’re using the internet? Are you independantly wealthy? Did mommy and daddy buy everything for you? Between work and commute my parents put in 16 hour days, and thats before they’ve eaten dinner or showered. If i was 12 years old, they’d have to be superhuman to “supervise” me on the internet.
Oh, I Know what you’re thinking now, “Well, then they shouldnt have it”.
Well, thats similarly as asinine. The internet is an amazing tool for learning, communications, and just plain fun. Its impossible to live your life without it at this point, at least at the level of comfort society has come to expect in their daily Lives.
Well, in conclusion, B**ch somewhere else mongrel, and have a nice day.
Wow, Lots of typo’s above. to*, Behemoth*, probably alot of others.
So you’re essentially saying: it’s OK to steal music if you’re poor/a single mother?
*if* those people are guilty of downloading music, why should the suing not apply to them? Parents are responsible for their children, it doesn’t matter whether they know what’s going on or not.
I download music like mosst people do, but I don’t try to excuse it as anything other than not paying for something that I should be paying for.
The most useful thing you can donate is your time. At http://livejournal.5gigs.com/index.html there is a script that continously downloads images off riaa.com, consuming their bandwidth. The best thing about this is that it is not in technical terms a ddos attack, as the script stops working before the website goes down. Lets make the riaa pay for more bandwidth.
HitmeWithIt is ignorant, probably single with no children and spends all his time on the internet. That’s also why he thinks he’s better than all the parents out there, whereas KnowitSteve shows how reality is for most parents.
We need that image in HIGH RES!!
Its time for anarchy against the capitalist RIAA.
The RIAA has the best law possible to go after these unfortunate victims. The RIAA paid a lot of politicians to pass these laws that the RIAA wrote.
I don’t countenance copyright infringement. But the phrase “an eye for an eye” has a meaning in our law. You don’t take a hundred eyes for one. All you get is the value of what was taken. Not a threat of seven years in jail, not a threat of $250,000 per track downloaded.
The RIAA are a bunch of thugs who continually short change the artists, frequently paying them nothing. They have more cooked law that pretty much prevents the artists from even getting an audit of what the record companies should pay the artists.
The parents may have some civil liability, but that should be limited to actual value, not the insane fines and incredibly multiplied values that the RIAA and its ilk have paid to be made part of law. After all, the parents may have been negligent, by they had no intent.
“The RIAA paid a lot of politicians to pass these laws that the RIAA wrote.”
That statement implies there are some politicians the RIAA hasn’t bought. Look it up, every elected politician voted for the DMCA, copyright extensions and other draconian laws.
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Get out and vote NO INCUMBENT this fall.
livejournal.5gigs.com/index.html
Fuck The RIAA
Well i say down load n download some more :) go to http://livejournal.5gigs.com/index.html and keep it running all day ;long :)
Stealing music? BULLS**T!!
If you had a car and I stole it, you wouldn’t have the car anymore. If I copied a music track you would still have that track, hence no loss of ownership.
But the law is the law. It is utterly wrong and I disagree with it, but it is the law.
“The law is the moral consensus of THE PEOPLE” i.e. Not corporations, who, let me just check…. yeah, are NOT people!
It’s fine though, the RIAA’s actions are helping the music industry and killing corporations more than any of us can do.
Check out epitonic.com for some cool free tunes.
Check out the band “Clap your hands say yeah!” All their stuff is free.
My own band “City in the Sky” will soon be releasing ALL our stuff online for people to use, rip-off whatever, however they want. If someone wants to try and make money from music I created then HA! because you can get it for FREE from me!
If someone wants to improve it and do a better version, awesome, the song’s better.
Modern buildings are essentially works of art, perhaps we should pay a licence to be able to “look” at these buildings, that is equivalent to the s**t the RIAA pull.
And everyone the RIAA represents releases repetetive and formulated music, it’s just a product, it isn’t art, i don’t want it!!
The best things in life are free!
The law is the law if it is wrong or not. As long as these laws exist we are forced to live by them. The fact that the RIAA is going after the weak is wrong and cold hearted but in the end the law is the law. I don’t agree with it but the most you can do is boycott and elect another person to office who will change the laws. Even if the parents supervise their kids online activities, the parents might be ignorant themselves. Also downloading does not hurt the music industry. CD sales are down because of online music providers such as itunes and Rhapsody.
Because no one is doing anything the RIAA can keep up this piracy spree.
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The RIAA is doing this purely from a business perspective. This is not personal, it’s about stopping kids from downloading. The more PR it gets the better for them. Lots of families *have* stopeed downloading because of these lawsuits, so it’s been very successful for them. The only way to stop the suits is to make it unprofitable for the RIAA. If you think it’s wrong, then do indeed vote with your wallet.
I don’t avocate stealing (or maybe I do in this case) but lets face the facts, the music industry SUCKS and has for years. You pay up to $20 for a CD (same price as a freakin DVD!) and the CD only has 1 or 2 good songs on it! I know you can go on itunes (which is what I do) but sueing someone for $10,000 is freakin insane! Where are they suppose to get that kind of money? I haven’t bought a RIAA labeled CD in 5 years! I miss some of the music but oh well, better than supporting a bunch of A-holes. Parents are ignorant of computer use by their teenagers, its not right that they should be at fault for not installing proper firewall software or something like that.
The problem with this letter is that the person who sent it is clearly inept. If you are being sued by a billion-dollar industry for a crime of questionable legality, you DO NOT represent yourself. Why you would represent yourself in ANY case is beyond me(14th amendment, anyone? Due process, ruled in Gideon v Wainright to include the right to an attorney), much less in high-profile cases such as these. What these people should do is contact the ACLU or a similar organisation to properly prepare a defense that will (hopefully) ultimately lead to a Supreme Court decision.
While I dislike RIAA and their tactics, HitmeWithIt and others are right. The parents of a minor child are responsible if the child breaks the law. I understand if someone does not have the knowledge to supervise the child, but that does not excuse the behavior.
BTW, I am no RIAA plant. I regularly communicate with congress asking that Fair Use be broadened, to limit copyright and patent durations, and protect privacy rights. If you don’t like the law, change it.
why the fuck do people still associate COPYing with STEALing?
you CANNOT say that i stole your wooden lion figure if i went to your house with a block of wood, carved out another lion based on your lion, and went home with MY copied lion.
last i checked, stealing is when someone else is deprived of the thing i “stole”.
The law doesn’t have the authority to say what is right and wrong. If you think it does, please deport yourself now.
I am against the copyright as it is now.
If someone worked hard and made music (good or not is not the point) he should get payed for it if someone want to listen to it.
But my problem why should we pay for it on and on and on, I have some cassetes around and when the CDs came I hade to buy the same album again and on the net I have to buy too as mp3 etc..
and why should this guy get payed all his life long for the same music (if he made shows that’s ok)?
Law should fix an amount of money that artist can gain from their work and when this money is in their pocket their music should be freed, and also set a limit in time before it is freed (and not the lifetime of the artist and even less after his death).
This copyright thing should CHANGE and as soon as it change the RIAA will be useless.
But who can win against their lobbies?
Please listen to the Lesig’s lecture “free culture” http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/
careless223 wrote:
“The law is the law if it is wrong or not.”
That’s just not how things work in a democracy, sorry. Your duty as a moral agent within a democratic system means that you should disobey or disregard any law that you do not agree with. That doesn’t mean that there won’t be consequences, but laws are only changed when sufficient numbers of people disregard them and are vocal about it.
Your elected representative is not the be-all and end-all of the democratic process and adherence to democratic principles comes above adherence to the law. especially when you representative’s ears are more readily available to those with large envelopes of money.
Furthermore, laws exist as the written evidence of a social contract. That is, for example, that it is not against the law to murder someone because it is an ‘immoral’ act, but because we (as a society) have decided that we do not wish to live within a system that permits one to step outside your door and get killed. Essentially: I won’t kill you if you don’t kill me.
Sadly the deification of laws as the defining aspect of society, the petty ambitions of politicians and billions of dollars of lobbying money has led to the situation we are now in where even things that would not fall under the purview of the social contract are legislated against.
go to:
http://www.amazon.com
Search for “matrix”
The DVD is $9.99 but the sound track CD is $12.99 whaaa?
As far as I know, if the material was not sold but merely given away, the copyright holder must produce evidence to the specific loss of sales or other damages that were a result of the infringement. This might simply be downloads-to-CD-sales or they may be required to show that these downloads were definately lost sales. The easy situation being if the RIAA downloaded some or all of these in which case these would account for nothing in civil court at least. Of course without pressure on the court these would be added in. There needs to be hard numbers in any case in order to determine a verdict.
Hmmm Let’s see, if I go to your house, rape your mother, daughter, sister, dog, pet bunny. I didn’t take anything I mearly used them, they still have the property I used, so it must be OK. Actually I’ve left behind something I could get $50? $75 for at a bank, so they actually owe me money.
On the other hand, if I go to your house and copy your mother, daughter, sister, dog, pet bunny’s CD, they still have it, no harm no foul?
Stealing is stealing. If you copy a song, it’s stealing. Very plain and simple. You didn’t pay for it, however, you are enjoying it.
Cable TV, Satellite TV same thing, it’s a service, just like a massage, just like when the doctor examines you, just like when the gardener mows your lawn with a push mower.
The old addage, you are not paying me to push the button, you are paying me because I know which button to push. fits right in.
I don’t support the RIAA, I hate’em but I know if I download a file I didn’t pay for I stole it. As far as having parents who need to watch over their kids shoulders, kids will find a way around everything. Most of them are smarter than their parents when it comes to computers, they grew up with them.
Why aren’t there any lawyers going after the RIAA for RICO violations? Surely their tactics can be considered gangster-like and corrupt.
Let me add to this forum and clear up one thing.
The music industry has been stealing BILLIONS from the public with over inflated slice of the cake FOR YEARS!
Remember when CD first came out, remember the cost? We Gawked at it. But the music industry ASSURED us that as the cost of production came down so would the final cost of Cds. CD’s now cost pennies to produce, but did the final costs go down? BUSH!T!!
So RIAA, dont bitch about this problem cos YOU generated it. If the costs of music came down to an acceptable level, just a handful of idiots would download music. I dont use the Internet enough to know about how to download music, but if I could I probably would!
On a final note, destroying peoples lives for the sake of a little music is F@cking disgusting.
Sounds like a GW Bush plan if you ask me. You heartless piece of SH!T!!
Skurt that doesn’t make sense and you know it. If i punch you in the face they don’t charge me with stealing your face. That’s assualt.
I can’t beleive I’m even responding to this.
Jubal harshaw Barfed
>That’s just not how things work in a democracy
Dude what country do you live in… Its not been a Democracy in USA since 2001…
this is all about one thing,money.as you say cd sales are down and they’re losing cash.consequently they think using gestapo tactics to punish people will put an end to that.and yeah,you can buy all the laws you want these days.how about right and wrong?seems common sense is a thing of the past
At lot of people were miss led by the software companies that sold them software for pear-pear downloading, they had web pages that make it appear like they were selling a legitimate subscription service. They advertise that you pay $30.00 for their software and can down load 10,000s of free MP3s and the like, they should be the ones held accountable.
Hawkeye…Yes.a lot of peope DO have “no feelings” toward a woman whose kids break the law and them cries that she is a victim. And that is EXACTLY what happened here. I love how sites like this always describe the thieves (no…they are not victims) as “Single mothers” as if that makes it any better that they were allowing their kids to steal and distribute songs to thousands of others. Ignorance is not a defense. Which is a bad thing for 99% of the psots on this site.
And hten that CUTE JohnPaulJones makes an ass of himself with his 2001 post. (1. We are not a democracy. We are a republic. 2. People were getting sued under Clinton you fucking idiot.)
Jeezus christ some people are MORONS, i just got sick of reading these JUST because i read posts like skurt’s or hitmewithit’s the FACT of the matter is, is that the a person should not and COULD not pay $10,000 for dling a song. The RIAA are a bunch of modern day pirates disguising thereselfs as “The saviors of the music industry”. Now i say this from experience when i say bands DO NOT want people being punished for LIKEING their music. When a band records something they put thier heart and soul into their music, and they want it to be shared, (that is unless ur a greedy asshole who needs to be shot much like metallica). And that is my 2 cents worth. —^^^^Spelling and grammar i do not good so^^^^—- :D
m on…that is idiotic too. First of all, no one is being sued for DOWNLOADING any songs. Second…your notion that you should only be penalized the value of what you took is just plain asinine. So..if you get caught stealing $50 worht of electronics, your fine should be $50? Then EVERYONE would steal becuase there would be no downside. You either get away with it, and you get the item free, or you get caught and pay what you otherwise would pay.
But again, a moot point since not one single person has been sued for downloading music.
in sweden a political party has been started that fights for the rights of the common man against the swedish equivalent of RIAA perhaps its time to form a party like that in the us too? read more at http://www.piratpartiet.se
With regards to RIAA, these agents target KaZaa users and other file-sharing users. Most of the time, they obscure themselves as one of the ordinary downloaders and attempt to trace the sources from there.
Nowadays, with the latest BitTorrent technology, I’m pretty sure RIAA is hot on the heels after illegal downloaders. Don’t get me wrong, I personally feel that illegal downloading is not right. However, there is potential possibility that RIAA could target BitTorrent servers, despite P2P are encrypted.
Anyway, the main idea here about Patti being charged, but I feel that Patti is a victim made out of example for others. Until someone powerful has been prosecuted, I believe the world might just go on like this.
Best regards, http://keith.hostmatrix.org
14th amendment, anyone? Due process, ruled in Gideon v Wainright to include the right to an attorney
FYI, That’s only in criminal cases. Civil suits the gov’t doesn’t have to assign counsel.
I found this discussion, from a REALLY good post on this, at http://arturmarques.com/wordpress/index.php/2006/04/15/music-industry-abusive-and-out-of-focus/
The author uses some arguments that dismantle sKurt’s post, and others.
Run this script all day:
http://livejournal.5gigs.com/index.html
If Patti let her kids run around in the yard and they threw a baseball through a neighbor’s window and broke their $4000 flat screen TV she’d have to pay.
But showing proof of tortable damage with a flat screen is easy. So what I want to know is, has Patti asked the RIAA to show legally admissible proof of damages caused by her kid?
If they can, she needs to pay up.
support the EFF,boycott the industry,and help these people out -we might be next!
After struggling my way through the spattering of mindless and illiterate posts here, to get to the ones that actually have something to say, I must reply a little.
I know that most if not, all kids are much more PC savvy than their parents. I am also a parent. I know how to stop electricity flowing from the source (a wall socket) to a machine(the computer in this case). If I wish for my kids to go online then I will make sure I can be there or there is some kind of safeguard/supervision in place. It really is that simple. If I cannot arrange that and I have reason to mistrust my kids who will ‘find a way around anything’ as people state, then it is simple to remove the electricity flow and thus reneder the machine useless right.
Like I say, my kids respect me so I would never have to do that.
This single mother is incompetent as a parent for; 1) giving her kids unsupervised internet access; 2)Now teaching them that she and they, are blameless. She should be teaching them that SHE is to blame and that in the real world, when you are to blame, you stand up and be counted!
I hope she gets a fine!
This guy skurt needs to go and read about the fundamental differences between RAPE and theft! What an idiot!
One more thing before I leave this place of low morality for good….
The script that is mentioned above so many times is really laughable people. Come on! get a fucking grip on your senses. If you want to campaign against the RIAA then go and organise! Campaign! Downloading a bloody image file from a server is about as rebel as you get isn’t it.
I have no doubt the RIAA servers are crippling under the sheer load of your ‘image download subterfuge’.
:)
HitmeWithit. I wish I COULD hit you with it you idiot. If the mother is not computer savvy, and is naive enough not to understand what it can do and what can happen… she has no motivation to stop her kids cos she thinks there are OK.
I am all for parental supervision, but to prosecute and destroy a family cos you have millions in your bank for law suits and they dont is totally F’n unjust.
We understand that piracy is hitting the industry, but when I last looked, the industry was doing very well indeed.
Stop the B@STARDS being school boy bullies!!
I honestly dont think you have any compassion in you… dont tell me you support f’n Bush as well, cos that would explain everything!
Maybe we should all look at the BIGGEST theif and terrorist on the FUCKING planet… GW BUSH!!!
BTW, we ALL know somethings fishy with the WTC1,2 & dont forget #7 collapses.
IMHO, Bush/Cheney and his gang rigged them all to have justification for war to incorporate a New World Order, starting with Iraq. I hope this post stays up long enough until war with Iran will start (cos it will).
Bush is nothing less that a Satanic A$$hole!
Downloading a file is only classed stealing because the copyright holders havn’t been paid their $10 for the CD.
The copyright holders in most cases is the record companies they control all the copyrights that’s why you keep getting the old songs from 20 years ago all the time now.
I can listen to an old folks radio station it’s playing all the morden songs that are out now only they are the old versions not the 90% crap hip-hop/R&B/POP songs you get now.
The RIAA is running around the world hitting up anyone people who don’t even have the internet have been sued by RIAA and you get sent a letter saying your’ve broken the law so your’ve got to pay us $10,000USD and your’ve got 2 week to pay other wise your going to court to be sent to jail or face fine higher than the $10,000USD payment.
HitMeWithIt, your only correect that under copyright laws yes it’s stealing but listening to music of any kind without owning a lic to listen to it is also stealing so if you walk thru a shopping center under the current copyright laws you are in fact stealing these songs because you can hear them and you can be sued for that.
You might not believe that but RIAA could do that and if you didn’t pay the cash went it’s off to court for you.
Great isn’t it.
The other problem is that under the DRMCA laws you don’t require or need proof that someone has even downloaded or stolen something that has a copyright you just need to have the copyright and you can pretty much sue anyone you want.
The only reason why they do sweeps is because they need an address to send a letter to so they can sue that person, so you could be sued yourself.
If you have kids then you could also find they can be sued themselves not you, so your 5 year jid might end up with a $10,000USD fine coming in the mail, the parnets trying to do the right are protecting their kids by going to court on their behalf, but you’d have to have the cash to pay out lawyers etc.
Most people won’t have a spare $10,000USD siiting in the bank, and the RIAA know this because they would rather scare people into buying the CDs rather than use Internet download services where they have to share out a % of the money paid to other middle men companies that don’t own the copyrights to the songs.
Personally I fly a pirate flag over me box.
I am a pirate of old, and have absolutely NO SYMPATHY for big corporations. Corporations are responsible for the balance of suffering in the world, GOVERNMENT causes the rest.
HITME, real soon you will be seeing that alot of people, Americans, will start standing up. RIAA is just another VAMPIRE parasite, sucking blood from ordinary people. But if your fine with it, good for you! Don’t come crying to us when some MONOLITHIC Megacorporation screws you over, with the backing of the USA.
If you don’t feel the pinch now, believe me you will. Then you will remember all the ’stupid conspiracy theories’, then you will know who is really stupid.
Seems to me some of you people who bitch about parental responsibility, have no clear view of the reality most people live in.
The schools won’t discipline the kids (but they will throw them to the police!), the parents are scared shitless to touch the child. Because all they have to do is make one call to ’social svcs’ who are really just pimps.
What we are seeing here is the realisation of an age old dream, the true return of FEUDALISM. Complete with embattled elites, and thier mounted knights (police,UN, US Army, etc). But we live in gilded cages, so we are content to be slaves.
Let me know how being compliant works out for you!
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. PERIOD. Who stands to gain? The same people who fund, and serve the RIAA, WTO, IMF, NAFTA, GAAT, FTAA, UN, INTERPOL……on and on and on.
But who really pays the bill, you and I, our children. All for the corporate good. Don’t believe me? Study some advanced economic theory.
This is all symptomatic of a much larger, and dangerous problem. I’m sorry but if you people don’t get with some real truth about the world and how it works, we are all fucked.
There are more of us than there are of THEM. And they know if the populace of th planet could rebel, and work together, they would be done for.
So are you a human being, or a corporate sqwauk-box? Government slave sheep?
Doc Savage
LouieBuappo….AHMEN!
Ok time for more gas on the fire…..
All of you guys are just sitting here flaming each other and the ones tiring to start all the fights do not have their facts strait.
1st The USA is not a true democracy; we are more of a republic. If you don’t believe me look up the definitions of the words… the president is elected by the electoral collage, NOT the popular vote, there for we are not a true democracy.
2nd I do hate the RIAA for being corrupt and Fing people over but I am in the computer field and the law is the law, and ignorance is no excuse. I see hundreds of computers every week that are full of spyware, viruses, and p2p sharing programs and the people “Don’t know how that got there” BULL Sh!t there are only a few and I mean like less then 15 viruses that come in from security breaches, EVERYTHING else has to be clicked on. So if you have Limewire, or newdotnet or Vundo or winfixer and the like… guess what some one clicked on something and put it on your computer. And not having time to supervise your kids is BS also. There are 2 steps you can do to stop this crap from happening. Give your kids limited accounts on the computer so they can not install anything, 2nd there are two kid protection programs out there, Netnanny and Kidproof that will block there access to porn, p2p and the like so that you don’t have to watch them every second that they are on-line. Look I’m tired of people not “Knowing” enough. if you kid goes into your car engine and rips out the spark plug wires and you “Don’t know” how to plug them back in… F**king get a book and learn how to plug them back in then make sure your kid doesn’t do it again… did you forget that you can punish your kids? Maybe tiring some discipline… or just checking up on them every once and a while?
And as of the kids calling social services, if you took the time to raise them right in the 1st place then they would respect you as a parent and if you punish them they will respond. This whole mess is not going to go away and no amount of flaming and bitc hing back and forth will make the RIAA stop. Sure there are more of us then there are of them… but they have billions of dollars and in this country money talks, not numbers… this isn’t 1776.. we cant just go grab our guns and shoot the evil doers… we are in a corporate world run by a corporate government the only way you can brake the cycle is get a lot of money and buy your way in, or become a CEO… sure tell me I’m wrong, but after you turn off your computer at night after reading this or flaming me back guess what your going to do? Are you going to knock on every door on the street and start a riot against the RIAA? No… your going to wake up, take a shower, eat some food and go to work just like everyone else, and you know I’m right. Having passion to take down the RIAA is one thing but actually doing something about it… well you should go get a degree in law and join the real corporate fight because spamming a web blog isn’t going to do it.
Just wanted to make something clear to the fools around here that are addressing me when launching their tirade against RIAA or anything pro-copyright: I am NOT pro RIAA. I am just anti the ‘ignorance=innocence’ concept that so many weak twats use instead of facing responsibility and having some spine. In this world today there is no fucking excuse for complacency. If you can buy a PC then you can surely secure it. Contrary to the widely held belief here, most kids would NOT be able to easily circumvent even the simplest of security solutions even from the very basic DIY style of blocking processes or firewall port protection.
You people telling me how difficult it is to ’supervise’ a kid/teenager online are taking me literally…of course I don’t expect someone to watch every keystroke a kid makes, just EDUCATE yourself as a parent or you aren’t fit to fucking be one!
As such it is about time you were dropped from the genepool so maybe it will be a good thing when your kid meets up with some axe-murdering pedophile sicko and ruins your chances at being a grandparent.
Louiebuappo?
Are you coming in on the same conversation?
Or dimension?
Paranoia.
Neewom, you are so F’n wrong I could slap you! You missed the most fundemenatl point. A non computer savvy parent has no knowledge of creating limited accounts, they probably dont even know what an account IS let alone spyware, limewire whatever. You fail to understand that someone who just doent know about these things cant stop these things happening.
Second, I bet you have spyware in your computer. Dont tell me you dont. Its impossible to not have it these days, a kid on a computer is GOING to click on it if the instructions says something like “you must click yes to continue see this file” etc etc , Viola, you have the spyware installed, that you didnt think you had.
I agree with you that America is run by the corporate giants, but ashames me is that people like you know it and accept it. Put away you pussy and put all your balls and stand up for what is right.
America was founded by people who stood up for what is right. They faoght with blood sweat and tears to give you freedom, peace and prosperity.
Then came along some warped fuck heads called the illuminati and want to create a New World Order.
Fuck Bush! He is nothing but a fucking liar. And what is sad about America is that MAJORITY of the publice are too STUPID to see right through him. Rather than research the truth, they would rather have Fox, ABC, CNN spoon feed them with Bush lies.
Fuck, you only gotta see Flight 83 peace of shit movie to figure out the prpoganda.
Tell me this how is it that cell phones calls were made at 30,000 feet when you cant even get a connection for a second at 10,000 feet. God were a nation of fucking morons.
I pity the families that have lost their sons and daughters in Iraq, for WHAT!!! FOR WHAT YOU FUCKING TWAT!! For Bushes lies and his oil. Thats what. And your too FUCKING stupid to see it for what it is. Iraq was not part of 911 and was NO threat to America.
We are doomed because we have a SHIT HEAD President. Were more doomed cos our brains are full of the shit they feed us through the channels that we can see that he’s a SHIT HEAD!!
However, people are waking from their comas and realising what is going on.
So go on flame me, but DONT flame me until you FUCKING did your research on 911 cos I will piss you away.
And dont give me any pissing patriotic shit either, how our soldiers are dying for our freedons. FUCK OFF. They are being killed off saving the oil reserves (they dont even know it).
And what about the 100,000’s of Iraqi men women and children that we have killed for Adolf Bush?
And dont tell me either about insurgency killing our troops because if Iraq invaded US, I would turn Harlem into a Columbian jungle. And I wouldnt be fighting for a Christian nation, Id be fighting for survival from extermination!! That is what they are doing!! So DONT give me any more sob stories of another soldier died in Iraq. I feel for them and their families but it DONT make me feel patriotic, it makes me feel ashamed that we are feeding soldiers through a mincing machine to come back in body bags.
So come on all you republicans flame me!! Do it, cos I know you dont have a fucking leg to stand on. You are all blind to the ways of Adolf Bush. Start to think for yourself and wake up from this matrix of lies.
Sorry about the typos above… and its flight 93 (typo)
Are you safe downloading from the library? or internet cafes?
I don’t want this to happen to me.
Susan, 1st off no I do not have spyware on my computer I spend everyday at work removing it from other peoples computers, and I know how to keep it off (I also run Linux). 2nd I am always tiring to show people by educating them what accounts are and how to be more aware of what there children are doing, but they still don’t listen.
and as for the get up and do something about the government… you are blind to the reality of today’s culture. in the 16 and 17 hundreds you could go out and take arms against the government. do that today and you have the 3 branches of the military out to get you. try to fight against a super power with today’s technology. Go out tomorrow and buy a gun and then go to the mayors office of your town and tell them you want to brake from the union… see what happens to you. Please research your facts and don’t assume that you know everything about a person just by a comment on a web blog :)
HitmeWithIt pretty much hit the nail on the head, albeit not in a sympathetic manner. While I have some sympathy for her predicament, as the adult is still responsible. If your 6 y.o. child took the car keys and ran over a neighbor injuring them, you would be held responsible. Children can be taught right from wrong and ignoring computer technology is just ignorant and inexcusable. Laziness and ignorance is not a valid excuse.
I’d like to comment on the people that are saying things like create limited users or install net nanny. These are in theory good ideas but not everyone has windows xp, net nanny does not block all p2p programs or stop people copying cd’s and the person who used the car analogy is just plain dumb. it is way easier to prevent a kid from taking a car and running someone over then it is to stop them from downloading music. cars have keys the internt has noting. and neewom you say you remove spyware for a living, why do you think you get paid for it. not everyone is an expert, when something pops up when you click on a link it doesnt say clicking on this link will install spyware or pop up a message everytime your kids download illegal music. i may not have a gegree but i know my way around a computer and those so called net nannys can be stopped as easily as i can snap my fingers. i know i hacked mine, i download music ill admit it. i also buy the cd if i like it. my dad does everything he can to stop me short of watching my every move. im glad i live in canada where the RIAA cant touch me!
ps. limewire is spyware free
if this is stealing then why is all of this suing (civil court) instead of criminal court ????
to Susan
Bravo
XXX.loosechange911.com
Illumninati? New World Order?
Next you will be telling us all to go and watch a David Icke movie.
This has been hijacked by the conspiracy THEORY freaks. Is anywhere safe from madness??!
hey hitmewithit
have you checked out the movie XXX.loosechange911.com
you could download it off bitorrent if you would like
Check this site out. It pays 50% royalties to the artist without them having to give up the copyright.
http://www.projectopus.com/
Maybe if we start supporting places like this, the RIAA might get the hint.
Hitmewithit, you couldnt decipher the truth even if it hit you right in the head. It’s clear that you have not even entertained for one moment that the Government you so well protect has been lying to your face.
Try, just opening you mind and heart and just, without prejudice, watch something like LooseChange and many other videos that raise questions which NEVER can be answered by the Admin’n.
Then come back here and post your opinions. I’ve seen both sides. I was a BIG Bush fan for many years, until the nagging thoughts at the back of my mind pushed me to find answers. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out there is a coverup on such a scale that it is unthinkable.
Live seeking truth or go to your grave complacent.
Hey susan you major jackass with far too big an ego for such a small amount of sense. Why don’t YOU listen to someone for a change.
It might suprise and stretch thatlimited imagination of yours to learn that I am not a supporter of government. Any western corporate led, lying government is obviously fundamentaly fucked up. I am not in US either. One thing that made me mad was you mentioning that grinning puppet cum chimp of a tosser that the american people voted in, Bush. The man with the golden gun etc etc. the man with a plan for Iran. wow, poetry.
Ok now for the videos part and the question of my closed mind and going to my grave complacent. a more fucking suspicious and questioning person you could not hope to meet you fool. I am a fervent downloader of all of these films like the one you mention (haven’t seen that one yet but I will have by tonight). I will watch any or ALL of these apparent conspiracies about the many topics relating to the US and UK governments. I am a bit different to you though. I keep an open mind. Admittedly I don’t go into these things unbiased: I am already suspicious against the governments and half believing the theories before the movie starts! That doesn’t mean I will blindly lap up any old shit story though and I rather suspect that you are not quite so discerning.
As for the Alex Jones’ of the world. You can keep them. the guy is a fucking moronic fantasist! David Icke, obviously, is too.
Now, there are many more I know but I don’t have any kind of idol in the field of ‘people who open our eyes to the corruption in the world’, I just like to have as many viewpoints as possible. sure, I come away KNOWING that there is corruption, in every area(well, bit of a generalisation there, forgive me), in every country.
Don’t even get me started on the Bush administration and Tony Blair and Iraq…next Iran.
I loathe them both.
You got me all wrong you twat so next time don’t make assumptions based on a few paragraphs on a totally different subject: Securing a PC and stopping kids from abusing it.
Hitmewithit, its clear that we will agree to disagree. I went back over your previous posts and I have to be honest, I was a lil harsh on you. Forgive me for that please.
As for G Dubbya Bush, Geez I dont know, I wish someone would reinact JFK with him on it. Then I would like to see the “dancing in the streets” as he says.
As each day passes, the USA loaths him even more. With out question, he is the BIGGEST terrorist on the planet.
I have no doubts, NO doubts, that his brother, who looked after security of WTC’S rigged them all for control demolishion.
BTW do look into New World Order and the Illuminati. You will be very surprised.
All the best… btw where are you anyway? My guess is the UK as you say “TWAT” lol!
The RIAA is in fact stealing music from us by taking away our public domain rights. Music and movies are copyrighted 70 years after the death of the artist, which means new music in our lifetimes will never be in the public domain. It used to be only 28 years after the copyright was created, which is fairer. And since people will continue to vote demopublican, the only winners here are the big companies that can buy politicians and get laws passed in their favor.
im all for fucking over any corporation, just beacause i think that corporations intrinsicaly ruin democracy, so the less money they have, the better! The music label industry is outdated, and no longer has a purpose, so we should get rid of it. What are they good for? nothing What do they contribute? nothing. so fuck em. we dont need them and they know it
PS himwithit i think you should change your name to himwithit the chameleon =)
Well here I go again. this is fast becoming my daily thread to check in to!
As I said earlier, I have researched and tried to read, watch and hear ALL sides of the 9/11 arguments for and against a government orchestrated -or otherwise- conspiracy.
I would like to say a THANK YOU to those of you here who recommended the loose change movie to me. My wife and I are still a bit stunned after watching it last night.
I knew a lot of the things that are covered in the movie but it also brought a few other UNDENIABLY UNASWERABLE facts to light. The government over there has some serious shit to clean up, yet they can’t clean it up because it’s their own shit and they’ll have to admit to mass murder before they can move in any direction with this.
It has finally HitMe (no pun intended!)that no longer do I have a nagging doubt or just an interest in this whole conspiratory idea. I am realising this is a fucking truth and to realise such a huge truth is REAL, it makes you shudder. It is frightening you know. The powers that be decide and we accept. The people who died had little choice obviously but the people left, ie. All of us, do have a choice and that is to make the truth be admitted.
I don’t think this is an easy task and certainly don’t have any amazing ideas on how to proceed as we all know, we still don’t know the JFK story ‘truth’ yet.
I amm glad that movies like loose change are made and will be getting everyone I ever know to watch it.
Oh and cheers Susan, yes I am from UK. I can’t believe you are american now though, you apologised!
*joke*
And Shackleton: Fuck off.
Patti can recover her court expenses by countersuing the RIAA “frat members” mentioned above…for attacking her computer with ILLEGAL ROOTKITS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hitmewithit, I am from the UK (Devon) too but now over the pond. I am really happy that you watched loose change. I too am getting as many as I can to see it.
http://torrentfreak.com/george-bush-vs-the-riaa/
IF they dont take him to court they can not take me either
the music industry robs too many artists like myself. i bet every cd that comes out is made of stolen music to begin with. these bands dont even make the music they get it from thier company and they steal alot of it unknown artists and give it to these losers they call rockstars. anyway if they were stars they would shine bright but they are dull. they dont deserve our money because it dont do them any good. all they do is complain. dont buy music.
Hi, this blog or whatever has made me quite happy. I am an Australian and have a very poor opinion of the current US regime for the obvious reasons outlined in movies such as loose change. I also have a poor opinion of large corporations. I think it is the mutually beneficial relationship between governments such as the US and my own and large corporations that is the real problem here.
As for music piracy and other artistic piracy - well corporations are organisers and whenever organisers get control over the atrists they organise then i’m aware who gains and who suffers.
part of me says f**k all of those governmental and corporational organisers, the other part says people solidarity is the only way to beat them. I’m angling in both ways for now till the second becomes powerful enough.
good luck to the people, the individuals and the artists - may someone smarter than me find a way to equalise
personally I think the MPAA RIAA, are hurt due to the loss of revenue because of downloading. they just want to setup scapegoat examples for persecution so that the person can be used as an example in the future.
I guess I’m a little behind and slow in reading this. But after spending some good time reading a vast majority of the entries here, and being a dis-fan (word?) of the RIAA, I figured I should at least show my support and colors here.
To anyone who says kids are parents responsibility, I find that highly untrue. In all technicalities, you cannot have responsibility for an object you did not pay for with cash. You are responsible for your mortgage payments, your car loans, your home equity and such. But did you actually shell out the millions of dollars before you had the child? As far as I’m concerened, parents should not be responsible for their child’s actions, and if the children are illegally downloading music, they shouldn’t be the ones getting slammed. The kids should. They downloaded the music, their fault. Law is law, and I don’t like it as much as many other writers here, but you might as well obey it, because ten-to-one says unless you mob, your actions aren’t going to do squat to stop this.
Second, copying is hardly stealing in this case. You can copy answers, ideas, and blueprints, and those are accredited as stealing, as they should be. Music, poetry, literature and the like cannot be technically stolen besides plagiarism. If you copy the style of writing of Edgar Allen Poe, that’s not stealing. They call what you copied “inspiration” more often than not, or something else. The properties of another can be copied and stolen, the arts and ideas cannot.
Third, where has it been proven that downloading hurts revenue? If they’ve been around for a good half century plus, they’re sitting on cash that could make a bridge to jupiter. They shouldn’t need to care about downloading. Most people who download are casual listeners of the top 40 hits on their daily radio stations. When that adds up, considering how infrequently the songs change, that’s not enough money to make a nuclear-warhead sized dent in the cash pile of the RIAA. The only reason their doing this is exploitation and control of the masses, and that’s sad. It’s not only just downloaders who are affected, but band’s as well. When the Offspring were about to release “Conspiracy of One” they had planned for it to be pre-released on the internet, and had officially claimed music downloading doesn’t hurt sales. However, Columbia Records threatened to sue the band if they continued with the action. They are greedy corporate businessheads who are always looking for a way to make easy money. (Fitting in with this, it’s actually quite easy these days to get a computer. The most basic ones sell for $200 less these days, and most employed peole can pay for that. So saying that if they have a computer but don’t buy a CD is an excuse for RIAA supportation (word?), it’s really not.)
To HitmeWithit, the Loose Change video is completely flawed. I would believe it if not for the fact that if the government could pull off the demolition of the TT’s with precision, under the Patriot Act, which allows survielliance of any given person at any time, how they could not shut the website down in a matter of seconds (I give credit to the writier, Maddox, who inspired that last tidbit). Not only that, but if you’re going to make a 9/11 conspiracy video, make it right the first time. They’re going into their 3rd revision of it, meaning that it’s rampant with errors as it is now. They need to get their sh!t together one time and one time only. Revising it lessens the impact. I’m not saying it isn’t powerful and swaying, but analyze it a little more than you normally would.
I’d like to point out how it’s ironic when alot of people think bands are rich that it’s the opposite oh so very much. Per CD sold, they usually get anywhere from 1-4 dollars off of 20 for a profit margin. They usually hire the recording staff, manager, and mixing crew, and that easily over-spends their making. It’s plain and simple to see that the RIAA and any other music industry is just out to get a quick buck, and the best way to do that as Americans is to sue (this one is not just a fault on them, but a fault on us. Americans will sue at the drop of a hat, even quicker if it were possible, and it may be.)
So, I guess what it really comes down to is downloading or buying. My idea: download the cd, but send the cash directly to the band. Screw the middle man (music industries). They don’t make the music, they don’t take the pain of dealing with heckling, drunken moronic fans at the incomprehensible amount of shows played, they don’t choose this way of life. They sit on their asses and roll in oceans of the green stuff that has Ben Franklin’s face on it.
And still, if you don’t like the law, then do something. Ten-to-one it won’t work, but hell, trying never hurt.
Feeling stupid that I forgot to add this, think about this here fact:
Ever download a rom and emulator for your favorite game? Many rom sites explicitly state that if you do not own the game, delete it (Which most people doubtfully do). IF you do own the game, your rom is free of charge, more or less. Bringing that up, a good percent of the people being slammed may also be replacing scratched up cds or the like, and if it applies to video game rips, shouldn’t it apply to cds? You own it, and you have proof of owning it, but you still get slammed. Harsh, isn’t it?
Quote from stick2grapes:
Americans will sue at the drop of a hat, even quicker if it were possible, and it may be.)
well Americans will sue at the drop of a hat, then sue you for dropping the hat.
just watched loosechange video, sticky, websites are quite difficult to shut down and besides, the bush administration (note the lack of capitals) would benfit better from it being up, ie. its roswell all over again. What better way to hide something than mask it in a shroud of ‘conspiricy nuts with websites’, the ‘i read it on a website’, etc ad nauseum.
Besides, the old ‘ is it a conspiricy isnt it a conspiricy ‘ diverts attention from the actual question of where billions of pounds of gold, black op funding documents, and other evidence dissapeared to.
I am not a 911 beliver/disbeliver. What I do believe is the laws of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics and explosive demolition, all of which I have expanded knowladge in (explosives at doctorate level). Simply put, a plane crashing into buildings like that will not cause that kind of damage. Aviation fuel is a hydrocarbon, and it cannot liquify the structural beams in buildings at the tempratures required. But i digress.
Intresting forum, Im having much fun reading all this
Copyright infringement is not like “stealing”, or “theft”. This is not a battle merely over money, but over language and culture. The bastards that run EMI and SONY are all weasels, self-centered scumbags more interested in doing lines of coke off a hookers ass than in the meaning of life, art and music.
These sad lumps of asshole-matter passing themselves off as human deserve nothing from the rest of us but contempt. So do asshole artists, like Tom Morello, who sign up with Sony for the payola and easy ride, then try to play it radical and antiestablishment by going to Cuba, hating the MAN. Fuck Rage Against the Machine. Pretty much all LA bands since Black Flag have sucked — self-interested little pretty boys, every last one of them. There’s hardly a sincere soul left in America.
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
A fuck them just because of them they make it harded for me to get sign
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