These sad lumps of asshole-matter passing themselves off as human deserve nothing from the rest of us but contempt. So do asshole artists, like Tom Morello, who sign up with Sony for the payola and easy ride, then try to play it radical and antiestablishment by going to Cuba, hating the MAN. Fuck Rage Against the Machine. Pretty much all LA bands since Black Flag have sucked — self-interested little pretty boys, every last one of them. There’s hardly a sincere soul left in America.

well Americans will sue at the drop of a hat, then sue you for dropping the hat.

just watched loosechange video, sticky, websites are quite difficult to shut down and besides, the bush administration (note the lack of capitals) would benfit better from it being up, ie. its roswell all over again. What better way to hide something than mask it in a shroud of ‘conspiricy nuts with websites’, the ‘i read it on a website’, etc ad nauseum.
Besides, the old ‘ is it a conspiricy isnt it a conspiricy ‘ diverts attention from the actual question of where billions of pounds of gold, black op funding documents, and other evidence dissapeared to.
I am not a 911 beliver/disbeliver. What I do believe is the laws of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics and explosive demolition, all of which I have expanded knowladge in (explosives at doctorate level). Simply put, a plane crashing into buildings like that will not cause that kind of damage. Aviation fuel is a hydrocarbon, and it cannot liquify the structural beams in buildings at the tempratures required. But i digress.

Intresting forum, Im having much fun reading all this

Ever download a rom and emulator for your favorite game? Many rom sites explicitly state that if you do not own the game, delete it (Which most people doubtfully do). IF you do own the game, your rom is free of charge, more or less. Bringing that up, a good percent of the people being slammed may also be replacing scratched up cds or the like, and if it applies to video game rips, shouldn’t it apply to cds? You own it, and you have proof of owning it, but you still get slammed. Harsh, isn’t it?

To anyone who says kids are parents responsibility, I find that highly untrue. In all technicalities, you cannot have responsibility for an object you did not pay for with cash. You are responsible for your mortgage payments, your car loans, your home equity and such. But did you actually shell out the millions of dollars before you had the child? As far as I’m concerened, parents should not be responsible for their child’s actions, and if the children are illegally downloading music, they shouldn’t be the ones getting slammed. The kids should. They downloaded the music, their fault. Law is law, and I don’t like it as much as many other writers here, but you might as well obey it, because ten-to-one says unless you mob, your actions aren’t going to do squat to stop this.

Second, copying is hardly stealing in this case. You can copy answers, ideas, and blueprints, and those are accredited as stealing, as they should be. Music, poetry, literature and the like cannot be technically stolen besides plagiarism. If you copy the style of writing of Edgar Allen Poe, that’s not stealing. They call what you copied “inspiration” more often than not, or something else. The properties of another can be copied and stolen, the arts and ideas cannot.

Third, where has it been proven that downloading hurts revenue? If they’ve been around for a good half century plus, they’re sitting on cash that could make a bridge to jupiter. They shouldn’t need to care about downloading. Most people who download are casual listeners of the top 40 hits on their daily radio stations. When that adds up, considering how infrequently the songs change, that’s not enough money to make a nuclear-warhead sized dent in the cash pile of the RIAA. The only reason their doing this is exploitation and control of the masses, and that’s sad. It’s not only just downloaders who are affected, but band’s as well. When the Offspring were about to release “Conspiracy of One” they had planned for it to be pre-released on the internet, and had officially claimed music downloading doesn’t hurt sales. However, Columbia Records threatened to sue the band if they continued with the action. They are greedy corporate businessheads who are always looking for a way to make easy money. (Fitting in with this, it’s actually quite easy these days to get a computer. The most basic ones sell for $200 less these days, and most employed peole can pay for that. So saying that if they have a computer but don’t buy a CD is an excuse for RIAA supportation (word?), it’s really not.)

To HitmeWithit, the Loose Change video is completely flawed. I would believe it if not for the fact that if the government could pull off the demolition of the TT’s with precision, under the Patriot Act, which allows survielliance of any given person at any time, how they could not shut the website down in a matter of seconds (I give credit to the writier, Maddox, who inspired that last tidbit). Not only that, but if you’re going to make a 9/11 conspiracy video, make it right the first time. They’re going into their 3rd revision of it, meaning that it’s rampant with errors as it is now. They need to get their sh!t together one time and one time only. Revising it lessens the impact. I’m not saying it isn’t powerful and swaying, but analyze it a little more than you normally would.

I’d like to point out how it’s ironic when alot of people think bands are rich that it’s the opposite oh so very much. Per CD sold, they usually get anywhere from 1-4 dollars off of 20 for a profit margin. They usually hire the recording staff, manager, and mixing crew, and that easily over-spends their making. It’s plain and simple to see that the RIAA and any other music industry is just out to get a quick buck, and the best way to do that as Americans is to sue (this one is not just a fault on them, but a fault on us. Americans will sue at the drop of a hat, even quicker if it were possible, and it may be.)

So, I guess what it really comes down to is downloading or buying. My idea: download the cd, but send the cash directly to the band. Screw the middle man (music industries). They don’t make the music, they don’t take the pain of dealing with heckling, drunken moronic fans at the incomprehensible amount of shows played, they don’t choose this way of life. They sit on their asses and roll in oceans of the green stuff that has Ben Franklin’s face on it.

And still, if you don’t like the law, then do something. Ten-to-one it won’t work, but hell, trying never hurt.

As for music piracy and other artistic piracy – well corporations are organisers and whenever organisers get control over the atrists they organise then i’m aware who gains and who suffers.

part of me says f**k all of those governmental and corporational organisers, the other part says people solidarity is the only way to beat them. I’m angling in both ways for now till the second becomes powerful enough.

good luck to the people, the individuals and the artists – may someone smarter than me find a way to equalise