Hollywood Appeals Decision Not to Shutdown OpenBitTorrent

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That’s funny coming from Hollywood and their lawyers as they are the biggest prostitutes and pimps in the world any which way you look at it.

Elliott

Hollywood, just give up, admit defeat, and figure out a way to join us.

4

@1

then they put it on film and sell it to mtv

4

hell why dont we just start sueing factories that make cat5 cable… All data travels through those right?

Snowflake

Even the old greeks had forms of prostitution, so what the hells wrong with hollywood?

Anonymous

It’s a flawed analogy, because the landlord owns the premises, whereas the ISP doesn’t own the websites it hosts, but only gives access to them.

ed2k/kad

ok this is totally fked up So now bittorrent sites (trackers, host, etc), are slabbed as “stating that the ISP who hosts the site is no different to landlords who knowingly allow prostitution on their premises.”

File sharers have been named everything in the book and making an analogy such as this is no different. Since a web operator or whatever host something that could be used to “facilitate piracy”, maybe we should shut down the whole internet because everything links together. If you kill one, more grow.

There a worldwide attempt to shutdown net & relaunch Internet2, more regulated & no gaps http://ow.ly/Sruy #nocleanfeed #censorship

Hans Pandeya

Well, the lawyers need to be seen doing work.. just another bit in the ongoing merry go round.

Reasoned Mind

“Hollywood, just give up, admit defeat, and figure out a way to join us.”

Elliott, the industry perspective is fair and with legal precedent. Of COURSE the internet will migrate to accountability with time.

Many here claim “they don’t understand how the internet works” while industry uses it to sell or license billions of dollars worth of products a year, and we all post moronic comment and little more. I’d suggest they DO understand it better and they ARE slowly gathering both legal technical and moral superiority. This is a very slow process.

But you miss the most important point in your statement.

Content creators invest enormous time and money, hard work on a level most TF readers will never experience, and a risk in the marketplace that they could lose it all. They understandably believe they are entitled to sales, every single possible sale, not piracy, and never-ending legal protections from infringement, not defeat. And that’s the support they will always get.

If you created a legal product you’d feel the same way were it being pirated and your return on investment was diminished. And even if the cost of law enforcement and punishment exceeds the loss to the piracy, they will always ALWAYS follow the path towards protection and proper sales because it’s the right thing to do, both historically and ethically. Never in human history did legal sales give in to theft and infringement. And it won’t, not ever, it’s in our human nature.

You make a huge misjudgment to think they should admit defeat and join you, when it’s you who is ransacking them and it is them who has everything including time and the advance of law and technology on their side. One day, not far off, the degree of cat and mouse on the internet will be so ruthless, so extraordinarily complicated, so dedicated and determined, and so insanely life changing for anyone foolish enough to even try for a free movie song or book, the vast majority of the online population will get it and simply stop. The punishments will grow until you do stop, and if you do not, the punishments will escalate. Pirates in jail can’t pirate anymore, and that will become the industry bottom line. And then all that will be left are the pedos and the other the vpn boys and the sheer joy of tracking you, catching you, prosecuting you and publicly watching you fry.

Better than anything Hollywood ever made. And we all have a front row seat. Make their day. You can’t win this, and everything that counts is on their side.

AlienDK

Sooo… They go after the the ones that makes it possible for other people to make a service that COULD be used for infringing someones copyright. Thats like suing Bjarne Stroustrup for creating C++ which uTorrent is developed in because uTorrent COULD be used for copyright infringement.

ed2k/kad

ok reason mind mafiaa wants this and the gov’t agrees wtf?
RIAA Legal Ruling Could Shut Down The Internet http://is.gd/5O90J

Anonymous

ISPs are like the electricity, gas, and water companies; a service provider.

It’s not the job of a service provider to dictate or police how their services are being used. It’s to provide the service.

Althought if they thought they had a chance of winning, I’m sure Hollywood would love to sue the electricity, gas, and water companies as well for providing electricity, heating, and hydration to all those filthy filesharers.

KingKong

I think the analogy they’re after is suing the road builder for making the road which lead to the bank, which aloud the five masked men to find the bank and make of with millions. Those builders they should have known this and built a wall to stop anyone using the road.

The whole model needs to change.

Content makes should get paid for the content they create, but sanity needs to checked with pricing and DRM.

Everyone needs to give a little.

lilars

If and when Hollywood wins we will finally get to see the movie”The Pirate Bay”.It will be a blockbuster directed by James Cameron and costing tens of millions to make.That is a movie I would pay to see.But alas,that movie will never be made as long as we have access to file sharing.Long live the Bay!!!!

lol

@ reasoned turkey

“Content creators invest enormous time and money, hard work on a level most TF readers will never experience, and a risk in the marketplace that they could lose it all. They understandably believe they are entitled to sales, every single possible sale, not piracy, and never-ending legal protections from infringement, not defeat.”

But 95% of content ever produced by these is CRAP and those that produced it deserve to FAIL. Simple market forces, survival of the fittest. All us pirates are doing is helping dish out the FAIL to those who shouldn’t have bothered investing time and money in manufacturing crap in the first place.

Reasonable Mind

Prostitution, Filesharing???

What next?

Murder/Drugs?

Reasoned Mind

@ lol 15

Perfect asinine pirate “reasoning.”

It’s all crap and I want free perfect copies of every single bit of it. And you can’t stop me.

lol
It’s emptyheads like you that keep this fun.

someone who is laughing out loud

What they gonna do next?

Close down the libraries too?

I’ve seen Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace by Terry Brooks in the library.

What you waiting for close down all the library that host that book. People are reading the book without paying for it!

Idiots.

James Holdger

@ Reasoned Mind:

I love your analogies.

You say:

“Content creators [...] believe they are entitled to [...] never-ending legal protections from infringement, not defeat. And that’s the support they will always get.”

It’s funny because that’s also what the real MAFIA is supposed to offer to the people they bribe. Protection.

Personally I fail to understand why artists can’t just sell their own records via their own website and without to join whatever “major”.

The time of printing the CDs is over, songs can be distributed over MP3s as well and downloaded from online, and a great visibility can be achieved online as well (read: concerts, etc).

I feel every musician in partnership with whatever label represented by the RIAA/MPAA/CRIA/IFPI and the like is ditching the music and his fans, and is ripped off by the music industry, still too much worried to live in the past and unable to open their eyes and to see what the future can offer them.

Rabbit80

“Going on to incorporate an interesting sexual analogy, the studios are comparing Portlane with property owners who knowing allow prostitution on their premises without doing anything to stop it.”

And so it is automatically better to sue those landlords and move the prostitutes into much darker and more dangerous areas where they are more likely to be raped / murdered and making the problem much more difficult to monitor and manage… Yeah right!

Surely a more sensible option is to offer safe houses where they can pursue this lifestyle, but to give those prostitutes help so they may be safe from harm, and have the opportunity to move out of that business and lead normal lives!

Rabbit80

Gah…. I hate the “Your response is awaiting moderation.” thing :(

at Reasoned Mind

@Reasoned Mind

who you working for?

mined.se

Why is raping/killing/stealing always compared with “copyright infringement” in these stupid trials/hearings

Anonymous

@Reasonless Mind
“Elliott, the industry perspective is fair and with legal precedent.”

The industry perspective is to steal 90% of their artists’ earnings, while wielding copyright as a tool to leverage extortionate prices for the products they fence.

They may have legal precedence to do that thanks to a set of out of touch and now entirely irrelevent laws, but they have zero moral precedence.

@Reasonless Mind
“This is a very slow process.”

Hahah.

Hollywood has been trying to battle filesharing for over a decade now, and the gains they’ve made are exactly zilch. So you say “it’s a very slow process”. Do you find that as hilarious as I do?

It’s like saying the Confederates are on track to win the Civil War. It’s just that it’s a very slow process…

@Reasonless Mind
“Content creators invest enormous time and money, hard work”

Don’t lecture us on what it’s like to be a content creator when many of us are content creators, you worthless tool.

@Reasonless Mind
“They understandably believe they are entitled to sales”

The mere act of creating a product doesn’t entitle a person to sales. Although I could see why you’d think does, considering that you have – and frequently display – an extraordinarily massive entitlement complex. Which makes your rantings and ravings about filesharers and their own sense of “entitlement” rather amusing.

@Reasonless Mind
“You can’t win this”

We won this when you were still in diapers.

huh

@ 9 Jan 06, 2010 at 16:33 by Reasoned Mind

I strongly agree with a lot of your ideas… especially with the misconception that the media industry doesn’t understand the full potential of the internet. They know exactly what their doing… just look at their record profits every year.

Phoenix

they have to spend more money for the judes now ^^

Anonymous

copyright harms society.

many more people will benefit from the unrestricted application and free flow of
information in creative industries when copyright is abolished.

copyright results in the enslavement of ideas and unleashes the forces of
tyranny to enforce itself.

Joel Tenebaum and Jammie Thomas are two individuals who were accused of piracy
by the music industry, fought their way through court, and ultimately lost. both
face substantial judgments of $675,000 and $1.92 million dollars each.

most all computer users have infringed copyright. the punishment for copyright
infringement is cruel and arbitrary.

if the public simply refuse to acknowledge that copying books, paintings, songs,
movies or software is wrong, then in a democracy, it will eventually cease to be
wrong. people elect the legislators, and legislators make the laws.

copyright needs to be abolished.

Jimmy

“The punishments will grow until you do stop, and if you do not, the punishments will escalate.”

This line from the Reasoned One is pretty scary. He, presumably a spokeshole for the entertainment industries, is again advocating an internet police state as a solution to stop filesharing.

Sanderman

Funny how he links his argument to prostitution.

Prostitution is quite legal where I live as long as it happens in a safe and decent manner.

So is smoking pot.

And so is downloading movies and music for personal use.

All examples of harmless entertainment which have been criminalized in the Land of the Free!

Here’s some news for these guys!
USA =/= The World

Stop trying to force your ideas on other people!

Anonymous

@Raisin Brain
Try reading this article for more info on the real pirates behind the thievery you are so quick to point out!
Record Labels Face $6 Billion Damages for Pirating Artists

Tomas

I think it would be more like a local council who knows that the street can be used to walk to a brothel but doesn’t stop every person going down that street and make sure they are not going to the brothel.

Spankeh

Well, lols @ 9.

Firstly don’t go judging me or anyone else on the amount of work they put in during the course of a day. You’re ill equipped to do so.

Secondly you’re missing the point – it can’t be stopped. Nothing can stop it. Each time enforcement gets more draconian, piracy will change. It will always be there however.

My less literate and often misguided comrades are right about one point and seemingly one point only; this will only end with the development of a new business model that delivers content at a time and price that is convinient to us. Until then, they’re ****ed.

Anonymous

Notes on trolls: “Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them.”

“The point of arguing with a troll is not to convince the troll they are wrong but to convince the audience that the troll is wrong and have no real understanding of the subject.”

Raisin Brain gets a boner just thinking about something bad happening to another human being trying to get some knowledge. He likes the attention and probably sits naked in his house touching himself every single time someone replies to him. If you want him to keep posting, please continue to argue with him. If not, then don’t reply to a single thing that he says.

ENOUGH!!

Internet 2 Eh? Problem is governments and corporations know what kind of money and control over the masses the internet could provide if they CONTROL it. Unfortunately, they DO have most of our money and that breeds power. We can probably look for a worldwide attempt to close the internet because they can’t win the way it is now. If that happens all hell is going to break loose. Finally, people everywhere will know just how they are being controlled and screwed. I for one will stop buying anything that can’t be found in a junkyard, flea market or my garden. We have the power only as long as we can communicate and fight for our rights. So, yes, I look for governments and corporations to try to gag us all. Now the true battle comes to light and piracy is only a tiny smidgen of what the “powers” that be want to control on the internet. It is a WAR people and we are all in the battle. Suggest we all sharpen our weapons of skill and ingenuity NOW.

me (the real me)

@9 Reasoned Mind

Hollywood was born through “piracy”, THEY MADE MONEY from “stealing” other peoples work and “redistributing” it.

Now that they are the “victim” of “piracy” they claim that “piracy” is killing innovation and creativity….*sniff* *sniff* anybody else smell that?

The internet IS the Hollywood of the future.

Don’t get me wrong, “commercial pirates” the people making money by selling bootleg DVD’s or access to online content should be prosecuted but the people that share (not for profit) should be left alone and offered ACCEPTABLE alternatives.

The problems lie with Hollywood (and big labels) getting away with extortion and manipulation for such a long time they feel its their right -IT’S NOT.

Power is shifting and their flappin in the wind.

Simples. ;-)

chaos

@ Reasoned Mind
“Many here claim “they don’t understand how the internet works” while industry uses it to sell or license billions of dollars worth of products a year, and we all post moronic comment and little more. I’d suggest they DO understand it better and they ARE slowly gathering both legal technical and moral superiority. This is a very slow process.”

Industry uses it to sell billions of dollars worth of products – yes it does. But which industry exactly?
For example, hardware sellers – they do a majority of their business over the internet, yeah, and thats perfectly legitimate, because the service, comfort (and price) you get from them over the internet is just outstanding. Same goes for many other industries, who offer a lot (if not the majority) of their content online.

But sadly the multimedia-industry (even though, or maybe because, it is one of the oldest, most established industries out there) does not realize that. They stick to their old business models (CDs, DVDs, “hard” sales, whatever) but fail to offer the content in a way that people want. That quality content is rare and what is published is 90% crap, is a different matter.
It’s just that they fail to offer their products in a timely manner, like most succesful industries nowadays do. And because this offer isnt given, people have to turn to other means to purchase content in the way they want. Imo, thats it.

Yet they still earn more millions each year, and yet they keep complaining, about what is in fact their own fault. Seems weird to me.

talorthain

I wouldnt pirate if the film industries didnt make films.. so its their fault. Lets sue them

Anonymous

When Edison invented the phonographic record, musicians branded him a pirate out to steal their work, until a system was created for paying them royalties. Edison, in turn, went on to invent the movie projector and demanded a licensing fee from those making movies with his technology. This in turn caused a band of filmmaking pirates, among them William Fox, to abandon New York for Hollywood. The reason was more hours of sunshine (most movies in those days were shot in out-door studios), cheap land, weaker unions, more liberal labor laws, and proximity to the Mexican border. When the police raided the pirates they could quickly flee over the border until the coast was clear.

They thrived unlicensed until Edison’s patent expired. These pirates continue to operate in Hollywood legally. William Fox’s startup has became one of the largest in media business: 20th Century Fox.

agnosticnixie

To be fair prostitution is a time honoured profession which I am sure most of these execs have probably patronized at least once ;) – are we to assume they also file share then

agnosticnixie

Oh, and about patents and copyright, we wouldn’t have, say, Murnau’s Nosferatu were it not for piracy.

Reasoned Mind

@Anon 24

“The mere act of creating a product doesn’t entitle a person to sales.”

I agree without reservation. You took my quote out of context. I’ve always said the consumer option not to take and purchase is essential to maintain, which is why a licensing levy is such a bad idea. It eliminates risk, but it also eliminates incentive.

If you don’t like the product, the format, the content, the drm or the price, leave it, and let it wither naturally and (this is key) legally.

But don’t take it without paying for it, either. For one thing, THOSE are the sales the artists is entitled to, if and when you take a pirated copy. If you weren’t going to buy it properly? Don’t use our precious privacy laws to illegally take it. That’s truly stupid.

Because taking without paying 1) screws the artists more than the industry 2) gives industry legitimate cause to lobby for protection and 3) mandates government to turn the network into a damn police state, which is precisely what you are compelling.

Make no mistake.
Pirates are causing this. You have always had every opportunity to NOT buy. But by taking it without payment, you start a process of justice and course correction that will lead to punishments a sane person will sorely fear.

And a person like me, just a fan, no digital employment whatever, will celebrate your inevitable prosecution for the harm you’ve brought to artistry and the people who create it, and who depend on sales they are entitled to iIF you take it. Taking but not paying is why you SO richly deserve every single bit of the surveillance that is inescapably coming.

This is all* your* fault. And history will judge you in that way.

prodigydancer

Excuse me, since when is Sweden in Hollywood’s jurisdiction? ;-)

Yo

Yet more ado about nothing.

As others pointed out the battle has been lost before it began.
Battling against laws of informatics is like the battle against gravity.
Gravity always wins.

Download away ladies and gentlemen!

Rob

Its pointless, If by some fluke it goes down then another will replace it… over and over. “If you build it they will come”

Ricardo

I do think artists must sell and be paid for their work. Nobody here works for free, without receiving money in some way. Even Reasoned Mind receives money by working for the label to post here.
What I can NOT agree is to be forced to by bad musics, twice or more times when they launch a “new” CD with 15 musics, but 8 of them are old ones from previous CDs. If you want the new ones you must by the old ones again and AGAIN.
So the only option is to download the new ones as the labels don’t know how to work and to profit with internet.
Just an example: You by a CD and pays 2 dollars for a music. You by the same music at an official online store and pay almost the same… WHAT?? You have no media, no distribution, no logistic, and a much much smaller cost. Why the labels cant lower the price as they pay something almost insignificant to artists.
They are forcing me to go file sharing.

diarRIAA

If they wanna compare this to prostitution:

A premises runs a business, say a hotel. They can’t run security checks and they can’t monitor every single customer in what they’re doing in the privacy of their rooms. Doing so would be a huge violation to their rights of privacy and that would mean they’d have to watch absolutely every single person. Not every single person is doing something illegal, and according to the media corporations they’re suggesting shutting down every single hotel just because someone might be prostituting.

Let’s again compare this to prostitution. Some ladies of the night are using a street corner to generate “business”. The thing is, regular “non-business” people are using those same corners and sidewalks. Does that mean that the city should close off that corner/sidewalk just because someone is prostituting, and does that mean if the city doesn’t close down the corner/sidewalk that the city itself is enabling illegal activity? Of course not. But according to the media corporation if they had control they’d be shutting down that corner/sidewalk/street in the event that a single prostitute breaks the law.

Even if you shut down the hotel/street, prostitution would occur elsewhere. The exact same goes to non-commercial piracy. The media corporations are again shooting themselves in the foot and bringing publicity to their concerns and are directly responsible for enabling piracies growth by sending curiosity seekers to find out what the fuss is all about. And guess what, everytime they open up their mouths…a new pirate is born and a customer is lost.

Besides, this is the same tactic that all lawyers use to vilify those they don’t like. They’re comparing us to prostitutes. Geez, they might as well call us child m*lesters and deviations against nature.

Absolute nonsense. They sound desperate to me. They could save a lot of time, money and effort by just reinventing their business model instead of attacking customers and labeling everyone as a prostitute.

I hate the media corporations, their executives and their lawyers so I will continue to pirate until they change their tactics and offer me a viable alternative (which will mean their going out of business and letting artists control their own businesses and profits). I will continue to support artists by buying merchandise directly from them and going to their concerts.

We must never forget that ALL pirates need to help artists flourish because without them, our culture is void and meaningless. Support your favourite artists by buying merchandise directly from them, going to their concerts. MORE importantly look at your local newspapers and be sure to go to your local live band venues. Unknown artists work VERY HARD and need your support too, so drag your partner/spouse/friends out for live entertainment this weekend and every other weekend.

Support ALL artists directly, and shamelessly rip off the media corporations.

Happy

I love the way reasoned troll seems to think implementing some kind of draconian police state would make any difference to the amount of piracy going on. Given how it’s so easy to evade detection (thanks to TF for keeping us all clued up) what makes him think anyone is going to take a blind bit of notice.

Anonymous

intellectual property cannot by law be stolen because intellectual property is only information and not a physical object or a service. the ownership of intellectual property does not exist.

history is judging hollywood as greedy.

society needs to stop the greed by abolishing copyright.

rndpirate

So if i get this correctly, so far the industry has compared us with:

robbers
supporters of child prostitution
supporters of regular prostitution
car thieves

i wonder what will be the next thing they come up … killers? Imagne them say on 60 minute or where ever:

“Downloading movies/music/games is same as killing an innocent person”

When will they get it: sharing has been, is and will be here. There is NOTHING you can do about it. Industry has fighted with pirates as long as i remember. And what is the outcome: nothing.
Industry have tried to stop sharing but only thing they have managed to do is wasting billions of dollars on this witch hunt, loose customers due their “every customer is a pirate and needs to be sued” business model and boosting the development of new ways of sharing.

Way to go industry, you have archived absolutely nothing. When will you idiots finally get it …

duch

Right,

Alternatives?

Take the internet underground, set up an alternative! job done!

Anonymous

A reasoned mind is, at the very least, immediately distrustful of a system which seeks to force agreement through bullying and threats.

yabba

Oh come on, Reasoned prik

you’re bullsh*t of “piracy is responsible for artists not getting their money” doesn’t fly at all. I suggest you go back at your cave and look at the labels who rip off and even continue to sell the artists’ work after they no longer are entitled to do so, just to make bigger and bigger profits. In the end, what such labels are doing, is tank on the artists who should be the real people getting the money, and then blame “pirates” for losses, while at the same time each year posting record after record profits, exceeding the previous ones each time, while giving very little to the artists themselves

In this new digital age, where material media is getting more obsolete by the day, why do artists even need a label? As an artist, set up a website at some hosting provider, and offer you creativity at a very reasonable price to your fans, without the need for a “middle-man” who all it does it tap into your talents for the sole purpose of getting richer and richer, while the artist in the end gets the smallest pie of the cake and get biggest one goes to the labels.

I find this whole argument of the studios/labels that they are entitled to the money and copyrights of others people’s work totally nonsensical. Did the studio’s/label’s create the music? Were they the one who came up with the composition, arrangement, melody, etc for a song? No, it’s the artists who did, yet the studio’s think of *their* work as it belong to them and somehow they are entitled to get $$$ for it…

qwer

@ reasoned m.

remember the story of robin hood? that’s what this is all about, taking from the rich, giving to the poor. illegal downloaders have usually rather little money.

why should i support hollywood, when the major part of the money goes to rich douche-bags anyways?

hms-one

@25 = raisin brain self-flagellation under different name. Pathetic and obvious.

@9 Surprisingly I find myself sort-of agreeing with the troll. *shiver of disgust* The entertainment and other industries DO understand how the internets work. They are maliciously attempting to slowly transform the www into a corporate owned and operated, gov’t regulated distribution medium. They want the entire internet for themselves, run as a corporate police state. It is a slow process, but they are trying.

Of course raisin brain’s initial honest joy at the thought of this new style interwebs, where all info is contolled, and EVIL pirates are digitally crushed under corporate jackboots, is denied in his later post.

@41:(piracy)”gives industry legitimate cause to lobby for protection and 3) mandates government to turn the network into a damn police state, which is precisely what you are compelling.” In this quote we return to the usual “I hate it , but you people are making it necessary/possible” mantra.

Try not to post more than one screed per thread raisin brain, you’ll only end up contradicting yourself.

yabba

Think of the children!!!! think of the children!!!!

in this case, “children” refers to the artists who apparently the hypocritical labels are trying to protect while at the same time exploiting the artist’s work to get richer and fatter…. :D

Anonymous

Dream On: Copyright will not be abolished: Why would it? Otherwise everything would be up for taking without any fear of prosecution/accountability.
Therefore why would anyone pay anything for any media: Outcome no quality media produced, rather tahn 90% crap, it would be 100% CRAP.

Where Reasoned Mind is right is this: Unless Piracy is dramatically reduced; what is the logical outcome as the population becomes increasingly internet-savy and download knowledgeable. Only 1 copy of a film/software/music/e-book product is purchased at a price of £????? and everyone else pirates it. Well that leads to only 2 conclusions:- That 1 copy of a product cost £80m or more likely product will cease to be produced. Living in a Capitalist Society money makes the world go round as unfortunately food isn’t free and can’t be copied unlike your digital content.

Two questions :-
1. If 90% of media is “crap” and pirates allways purchase “quality content” why not as Reasoned Brain just buy the good stuff. If it’s CRAP why do you pirate it?
2. If you Pirate because the old fashioned CD/DVD distribution system is “CRAP” and Hollywood/MAFIAA/BPI/RIAA et all need a new Distribution Model – which is repeated on here as FACT ad infinitum, what model do you propose? It’s a bit pathetic to use an alledged “outdated model” to justify piracy, without ever proposing a new model to replace it.

Yes it’s “crap” to buy a film and not be able to put it on your iPod/iPhone/PC without resorting to “illegal acts”
Yes it’s “crap” when artists filler CDs. Why do you think single sales have rocketed? Album sales are declining though.

People have used semantics a million times on this blog. You state music/film execs are “Retards” implying you have an higher IQ than (well-paid) execs. So rather than using excuses to justify your behaviour promulgate the new business model you desire. Everything for free is not an acceptable answer as it leads to the scenarios above. Either Internet2.0 OR no content in the Long Run

Reasoned Mind

^ what 56 anonymous said.

Anonymous

Try 10 cents a song instead of 99 cents, or how about an optional fee added to your internet payment that allows you to download whatever you want, in the format you want. Or how about a web site that allows you to pay a reasonable fee to watch and or download video/music without the hated commercial interruptions!

Just a few off the top of my head, I’m sure other readers will have more ideas. The problem is the corporate greedbags will not do any of these things because of their incessant and insatiable desire for more and more money. Their profits continue to break records every year and they still complain about losing money. Bullshit! Lies! FUD! is all we ever get!

Anonymous

Raisin brain do you ever wash the sock puppets you play with or do you just rub your grundle with them when someone responds to you? Loneliness leads to one conversing with themselves.

Bob

As i read somewhere else here its the maffia thats been the biggest advertizers of the ways to pirate. I first found out about P2P by reading about the recoed industry complaining about it.

Max

I find the claim that “property owners who knowing allow prostitution on their premises” is incredibly ironic. Isn’t hollywood also house to a massive porn industry, and therefore has hundreds of people within its walls having sex for money every day?

Anonymous

@54 – you are confusing
“freedom of speech” i.e. the ability to respond to articles on this blog with your own opinion either agreeing OR diagreeing
WITH
The ability to steal whatever you feel free to copy whatever takes your fancy without any recompense.

@53 – if you don’t like capitalist society where people can become rich – goto to communist China or better still North Korea where just posting that comment could land you in jail and downloading “Western Propoganda filth Pr()n lead to death sentence if hell, 50g of illicit substance is a death penalty.

Anonymous

@Reasoned Mind: Too Long; NEVER Read

yabba

@56

New business models for the content industry has been proposed many times by many people. You are free to Google a bit as I won’t spend my time summing it up for you. The problem is that MAFIAA refuses to implement and change its ways, even when proposing new models. Instead it feels it has some right to be entitled as the owner of someone elses work, even though it didn’t came up with it, and then tries to aggressively stick to its current models and resorts to suing people, while at the same time boasting that it’s trying to change by implementing draconian DRM technologies which in the end are bound to fail and alienate people even further. This is all due to this illusion it has of control and entitlement of other people’s work. The only good service right now for me is Hulu. *But* when I go to its website, it immediately pops up a notification window saying that, due to copyright f@ggotry, it isn’t allowed/available in my country so in the end, I can’t use it at all and forces me to go look somewhere and so far there’s not one such service I could find that offers me something interesting to me.

The whole constant arguing f@ggotry about who should be able to watch/listen something, on what, where, how, when and why creates even more problems than it solves and results to such never ending DRM cr@p and draconian laws and gets stuck in an endless loop without a proper resolution.

Reasoned Mind

There exists a time honored, powerful and respectable moment when any product, the desire to posses it and cash coincide, it’s the basis of retail, the very foundation of fair trade and the underpinnings of justice in a civilized society.

When the unlawful use of tech removes cash from that equation, it’s no longer fair. Everything else stems from that reality.

When pirates demonstrate that it’s “fair” for them to take without paying for what they take, they’ll be heard and embraced by the masses.

But until then you are no “revolution, you are scofflaws and civilized society will treat you the way you deserve.

It is true I enjoy that it’s only going to get far worse for all of you. Nobody pays me to say this. It’s my own pleasure at watching illegal acts gather the jackboot they deserve. Everything else is semantics. Suck on that. :-)

And try to convince yourself that a professional record label would pay for this. lol

ufag

@reasoned mind / anoymous: samefag

Anonymous

OK 10cents/song does that include any protection against piracy.
Amazon are doing 29p(UK) dloads for some singles does that cut it?

Labels can sell artists music because they support artists in the early stages with £support/advertising/promotion.

Indie artist through websites promo themselves, but if they are torrented free to death will they carry on? They’ll just give up

I’d agree with an additional fee on BroadBand say £5/$6 a month. But then we get the “why should I pay extra when I don’t dload anything” brigade as we did with a “copy tax” on blank media/CDRs/RWs. How is this distributed – do successful bands get more or start-ups ?

PS Terry Leahy CEO of Tesco (taking over the world) earnt £2.9mil should we therefore abolish charges for food and charge £20/$30 amonth extra on community charge/rates/council tax and let people eat all they can. I mean why give extra money to a rich douchebag earning nearly £3mil a year. 100 times what I earn. Therefore I can haz his food free init?

Anonymous

ufag are indeed a fag as RM & I are different people, you just tout the same old pathetic responses! Show the world your intelligence by a reasoned insighful response. Or is it that you can only stoop to the Lowest Common Demoninator as you do not have an intelligent response to well construted intelligent counter arguments? I suspect the latter

Anonymous

@Reasonless Mind
“You took my quote out of context.”

The context was your list of things you think artists are entitled to for the “enormous” amount of time, money, hard work they invest. One of the things on that list was sales.

That implies… Actually, it spells out… That artists are entitled to sales merely because of the time, money, and hard work they invest. Or in otherwords, merely for creating products.

If that isn’t what you meant, then why don’t you just have the balls to say you worded it poorly and it came out wrong, instead of accusing other people of failing to grasp the context?

@Reasonless Mind
“But don’t take it without paying for it, either. For one thing, THOSE are the sales the artists is entitled to, if and when you take a pirated copy. If you weren’t going to buy it properly? Don’t use our precious privacy laws to illegally take it. That’s truly stupid.”

Danger! Danger, Will Robinson! Massive comprehension failure detected!

If you weren’t going to buy it properly, then no sale would have ever occurred whether or not you decided to download it. Hence, the artist isn’t losing a sale when you take a pirated copy. However, you say that those are the sales artists are entitled to.

Can you spot the broken logic?

When you’re done with that one, here’s another puzzle for you. The root of your supposed objection against filesharing stems from the “fact” that it “deprives” artists of sales. We’ve already established it doesn’t work that way in reality, but let’s ignore that for now.

If I see a CD on a shelf and decide not to buy it, I’m depriving the artist of a sale.

If decide to buy a CD, but then change my mind, I’m depriving the artist of a sale.

If I go to the iTunes store and listen to the 30 second previews of the music on a CD and decide not to buy it, I’ve not only deprived the artist of a sale, but I’ve also listened to their work for free.

If I listen to an album on the radio and doing so makes me decide that hearing it once is good enough and I don’t need to buy the CD after all, then I’ve listen to the artist’s work in its entirety as well as deprived them of a sale.

If I want a CD but I just check it out of the library because I can do that instead of buying it, I’ve deprived the artist of a sale.

If I want a CD but I just borrow it from a friend because I can do that instead of buying it, I’ve deprive the artist of a sale.

What makes all of the above oh so very different from downloading a pirated copy of a CD? What makes the latter so completely morally repugnant and reprehensible, while the former are perfectly acceptable to you?

The last three even involve listening to the entire album in a addition to depriving the artist of a sale, which is the exact same thing that filesharing supposedly does.

Is it simply because filesharing infringes copyright laws in some parts of the world that makes it so different? So utterly terrible?

Considering that a person can legally do the same thing as long as they borrow it from a friend, or check it out of a library, or hear it on the radio, it makes the laws that are being infringed upon rather absurd and hypocritical.

Are you so utterly offended and outraged by filesharing simply because in some parts of the world it infringes upon a set of absurd and hypocritical laws? Is that all?

Tell me. Don’t worry, though. If you bother to reply at all, I expect that your reasoning won’t make any kind of sense like usual. So please don’t feel pressured to put together a coherent response.

@Reasonless Mind
“Pirates are causing this.”

Aww. And up until now your comment was so nice and amiable.

Then you have to go and ruin it all by spouting off your deranged blame-the-victim rhetoric that says filesharers are at fault for the batshit insane actions of Hollywood against net neutrality, common sense, and due legal process.

Oh well.

You held on for as long as you could.

ufag

@samefag: samefag LOL

Flump

Let’s face it. The music industry are scumbags who treated both artists and consumers like crap and piracy is a big stick to beat them with. And lets face it, they deserve it. Real artists don’t need them any more anyway.

Why just boycott their product when we can do them vastly more damage to them by sharing their wares for free. You reap what you sow.

lilars

Internet 2…are there new airwaves out there?yes 56 is an idiot too.

hms-one

I do not think copyright law needs to be abolished, only updated. It’s generalized definition of ‘distribution’ rights was written before fair use sharing among peers could be done on the interwebs. Modern tech demands an expansion of fair use policy which does not prohibit file-sharing as ‘distribution of copyrighted works’.

Anonymous

@Flump so we’re getting to the nitty gritty now. It’s not really about not wanting content on media or overpriced downloads is it?

It’s about anarchy, urban terrorism & sticking it to the man.

Then you deserve your warning notice, internet cancellation and huge fine/prison sentence.

Then the only “sharing” you’ll be doing is with a huge cellmate. Tip : If your cell mate drops the soap DON’T PICK IT UP

Flump

“Then you deserve your warning notice, internet cancellation and huge fine/prison sentence.”

Gotta catch me first! ;)

Anonymous

@73

No, it’s about refusing to support an industry that treats artists and consumers like crap.

Where the fuck did you get “It’s about anarchy, urban terrorism & sticking it to the man” from?

Did you get Flump’s comment mixed up with a completely diffrrent one?

Anonymous

Well, my work here is done. I’m off to kill myself :(

Zwartbaard

@9 – Reasoned Mind

You are here just to troll, you`ve made that very clear in the past, and again in your reply on this article.

You say that all the content producers work so hard, so hard we have never worked, that’s what you are saying right? I work about 80 (yes, eighty) hours a week, gimme a break! Second, if they work their ass off, you would expect some results, some good results. The only output they are producing is random noise, which they refer to as “music”. Get a break, seriously.

I download music, and not just an album a week, more, much more. Just to check it out. When I like it, as in really like it, I buy it. If I don’t like it, or if my ears beep after hearing it (which is like 70 percent of the time), I download it, or share it, without ever opening it again.

If I have to buy all those albums, it would cost me ten times, or maybe even more, of my salary. That’s insane! And again, most of those albums get one hearing session, and are put away, or deleted, to never be heard of again.

Just compare it to a real world situation. When you buy a car, you give it a test drive. When you don’t like the car, the design, the steering, or the sound of the engine, you don’t buy it, and look for another model or brand. Imagine that you can’t test drive a car. You have to buy ten, no, twenty cars to get the right one. The others are just waiting in your garage to collect dust.

That is just bullshit. Stop making bullshit replies, and give in to the fact that you download yourself. I can’t imagine anyone who didn’t download something off the internet in a lifetime.

“And a risk in the marketplace that they could lose it all” — That is just normal. Life is about taking risks, you don’t live your life if you don’t take a risk. You’ve asked a girl out on a date once, for sure. When you did that, you took a risk. If the didn’t like you, ignored you, or rejected to in any way, your heart would be broken. When she agreed, you would be happy and so. That’s the definition of taking a risk.

I have to take risks every day, in my kind of work. I could lose my job, but when it turns out great, I get some positive feedback.

Just get a life!

Anonymous

they should block the roads to solve this prostitution problem lul

George

What are you talking about diseased mind?

It’s about anarchy, urban terrorism & sticking it to the man.

He never said any of those things.

If pirates are such a small percentage of the internets population then why are you so damned scared of us? Is it because we can and will remove your very existence from the world as we want it?

Sgt. Donny Donowitz

I’m coming for you raisin brain!

a pissed off Pimp

You best not be downloading my hoes without payin me first! I’ll put a cap in yo a$$ fo shure!

aG4iN

So the HollyWoodies is trying to cut off “lifesupport” by going after the little guys (the ISP´s) – Again.

Trying to stop OBT will have no effect ! (Resistance is Futile).

hms-one

@ raisin brain: I did not confuse speech rights with digital information rights, I simply suggested that as you are willing to allow violations of certain rights that other violations will naturally follow. An information police state such as the one you advocate(yes, you do.) would most certainly violate the first amendment in the name of ‘crime prevention’.

Furthermore, the industries and artists in question are making record profits and ‘starving artists’ have more opportunities than ever. Fair use has never threatened to ‘remove money from the equation’ or destroy commerce and free enterprise, and it never will. FUD.

Anonymous

this is not about anarchy it is about the realization that information needs to be set free from the chains of copyright.

copyright harms society.

copyright results in the enslavement of ideas and unleashes the forces of tyranny to enforce itself.

many more people will benefit from the unrestricted application and free flow of information when copyright is abolished.

copyright will become obsolete as more authors and artists make their
information freely available on the internet. with millions of creative works being published every single day, modern musicians or authors should fear obscurity far more than piracy.

information will be given away freely as an advertisement for the sale of a packaging(physical object) or service(presentation or website or concert) which embodies the information.

the monopolists of information will not be able to compete with the free flow of information and will eventually fail.

Bullzeye

When will Hollywood learn that filesharing can’t be stopped?

Probably NEVER.

Anonymous

mmmm semantics
Piracy needs to be stopped to prevent a Police state

Otherwise Internet2.0 will be here.

Freedom of speech will die and the Fascists will take over.

The Dream of Copyright dismissal is just that: a dream.
RM is correct unless you desist this piracy lunacy the internet WILL change for ever. It will become a tightly regulated “Intranet” where only controlled connexions will exist.
Governments and Big Business simply will not allow this amount of civil illegality to continue. However
you continue to dress up the pilferring of content.
i.e. “Nothing is stolen the still have a copy” er yes IP thefy exists in Law.
“I try before I buy”
“Sharing info is FREE”
“I can do it – therefore I do”
“They’re all rich and I a poor student-still buy me Beer n Cigs tho- cause you can’t download that. I kno lets demand free beer outa the taps cause all Breweries are rich douchebags”
“Water has always existed on the earth why do I buy bottled water ?”
Bottled water hould be free! Why isn’t water free outa the taps?

tman

@#9-Reasonless Mind
“The punishments will grow until you do stop, and if you do not, the punishments will escalate.” Yea just like it worked for every other law ever passed. Oh yea, I forgot our prison population is larger than any other culture in history. Dumdum!

Anonymous

And how is AVATAR 2012 Hangover et al information. It’s entertainment.
How will AVATAR be funded if it’s given away free. CLUE: It wont. Films like itIt wont exist in the future if you don’t stop ripping people off.

Rob

I think “Reasoned Mind” has banged his head. Only senile dementia can cause a person to act like him it really is remarkable. YOU have caused this and that, tell that to my neighbours whos wifi I am force to invade because you people don’t stop and ask the pirates what measures to take. You would rather sit in your throne dishing out rules and laws that are so easily circumvented by average geek. Invading you neighbours wifi serves a grander purpose, when the governments realise that this is a real threat to their copyright rules and regs they will have to ask the PIRATES not morons who struggle to grasp even the most simple concepts surrounding computers, which is obviously whats happening behind closed doors now. We ARE causing it because YOU fail to listen!

Riiight

Wow #68.

Reasoned just got owned. That was harsh reading but spot on.

yabba

@83

More reasons to bring down “Big Business” who likes and tries to control every single aspect of a persons everyday life, like we need someone else to tell us how we should live and act, just to please “Big Business” and if not, the whole universe will explode :D

Now bend over to your Big Business and let them do you hard from behind. It’s what the politicians do and you’re no different

Anonymous

@ 56

“1. If 90% of media is “crap” and pirates allways purchase “quality content” why not as Reasoned Brain just buy the good stuff. If it’s CRAP why do you pirate it?”

Pirate to find the good stuff and weed out the crap, and then buy the good stuff and/or donate to its author.

“2. If you Pirate because the old fashioned CD/DVD distribution system is “CRAP” and Hollywood/MAFIAA/BPI/RIAA et all need a new Distribution Model – which is repeated on here as FACT ad infinitum, what model do you propose? It’s a bit pathetic to use an alledged “outdated model” to justify piracy, without ever proposing a new model to replace it.”

Unlimited FLAC album rips for a fair monthly cost, with no legal ramifications? I’d pay.

xander

So they try to relate file sharing to illegal activity such as prostitution, OK I get that. That must mean that file sharing is what, considered legal here in New Zealand since prostitution is legal in New Zealand.

Ninja

wow, too damn long…
But what 38 Jan 06, 2010 at 19:40 by Anonymous said, that the same Hollywood from nowadays started from piracy is quite the example. I wonder if mr Edison died poor because of Hollywood mischievous piracy. No? Heh…

They talk as if OBT was used only for illicit file sharing. I used it to share a 500+ pic album from a trip with friends among all the parts. That’s illegal of course.

The hotel comparison was awesome too. Hotel rooms can be used for drug dealing, prostitution and even for copyright infringement – why not? – and yet you don’t see courts closing hotels because of that.

However OBT case is much less problematic than hotels as most that share through it also buy – the media industry is the only imbecile that believes 1 download equals 1 lost sale. And what’s more, while criminals are making money through drug dealing or prostitution (the ones that make money with the girls), no money is involved in file sharing – differently from bootleg cds and other media.

This is pure fail. And they managed to make it an epic failure when they made that stupid analogy.

As for Reasoned Mind, he refuses to see both sides. We shouldn’t waste time answering him. Obviously there are some pro-pirates that are the same. As I’ve said b4, nobody is saying don’t buy and most of us do wish to buy. However, the current model is not enough anymore…

Anonymous

OK sounds Good…what’s a “fair monthly cost”?

iTunes, excellent though it is, way over priced. I want albums downloaded for less

hey no jewel case inlay CD ,

Anonymous

Money is involved in Filesharing TPB ISOhunt & (previously) MiniNova were all making money from “sharing”

Prostitution is legal in Nevada

@ 95 AKA Reason mind or another shill like reason mind. I guess they throw enough money away to get 2 get another. Could be Neo stiles(sp)?.

Money is involved in Filesharing TPB ISOhunt & (previously) MiniNova were all making money from “sharing”

They make money the same way everyone else does. They have ads on the sites which generate revenue. This is the same way Google operates as well as most any site. Your idea is flawed.

Anonymous

@9

Obvious troll is obvious.

Ace Hall

Yes Max, UnHolywood does have a huge pr0n industry and apparently pirates are killing it as well…
Leaked Documents Reveal Anti-Piracy Cash Operation

Rather hypocritical of them to compare file sharing with prostitution since they promote and produce pr0n!

Annie Moose

I’m so fed up with these morons trying to shut down trackers. TRACKERS ARE NOT CRIMINALS, OK? Torrents are not illegal. Downloading things offline is not illegal. Peer-to-peer sharing is not illegal. Obviously there is an illegal “flavor” of all of these, but that doesn’t make the basic act illegal.

Trackers aren’t like landlords allowing prostitution on their premises, they’re more like… a city council allowing prostitution on street corners. Sure, they don’t want it there, and sure, it’s illegal, but what can you do about it? Shut down all sidewalks? Of course not, that would be ridiculous and unfairly harm innocent people. So if these guys want to actually stop copyright infringement, they have to stop blaming trackers, who are NOT TO BLAME for copyright infringement any more than a city is to blame for prostitution just because it takes place on its sidewalks.

Elliott

@ 9

Al-tho i do agree with what you are saying, you misunderstood what i mean. In the process of hunting us down Hollywood should look in to turning free loading pirates in to profit. For example, right off the top of my head; Hollywood could sell 4 or 5 advertisement spots in a soon-to-be-leaked high quality movie. Then leak said movie a week, day, or even hours before its suppose to come out. Sure this plan has hole in it, but it would be a start.

Elliott

@ 100

saltpeter isn’t illegal
charcoal isn’t illegal
sulfur isn’t illegal

but when you mix it all together, put it in a suitcase and throw it on a plane it becomes illegal. There might not be one single part of pirating that is illegal, but rather the whole thing. I too a fed up with all these people going after the wrong thing. I respect why they are doing it, but i think they are idiots for doing it this way. #9 is right, they will find new ways to defeat us, we will find new ways to defeat them, all the while shutting out the ones who cant figure it out. all the way up to the point where half the worlds processing power will be devoted to defeating us, while the other is defeating them. cat and mouse… mouse in an RC car, cat on a bike > Mouse in a car, cat in a SUV > mouse in a Hummer, cat in a tank etc…. until both are on nukes, ending civilization. on the other hand, that ending civilization would not be that bad, we need a fresh start.

Unauthorized Content Consumer

I *RESENT* calling Reasoned Troll a fag!!!!

Without gay men the world would be a boring place because many of the greatest artists have been/are gay, and many actually serve a purpose to our culture and society. The RIAA/MPAA are already comparing us to prostitutes and we need not stoop to their level. ;)

So you see, Reasoned Troll serves no purpose whatsoever, except he makes a good RIAA/MPAA punching bag for us. You really gotta appreciate that! xD

Think about it

The movie industry is at the heart of illegal filesharing. They continue to manufacture media that can be digitized. The only way to stop this abhorrent piracy is shut down the movie industry for facilitating this copyright infringement.

Ace Hall

Well the comment nazis strike again! Let raisin brain post all his shite and block any comments that are against him! Makes me wonder if maybe its one of the TF crew just stirring the pot to make people read this site!

Think about it

@ 9 Jan 06, 2010 at 16:33 by Reasoned Mind

Hey moron. When the industry attacks bittorrent they are not attacking piracy (or infringement). They are attacking hard working individual’s property. Just because YOU use bittorrent for illegal downloads and beastiality porn doesn’t mean everyone else does. eMail services don’t do enough to stop scams maybe we should outlaw that and claim they are facilitating crime. Lets shut down airlines too because obviously they can’t stop underwear bombers. And shut down Reasoned Mind because stupidity should be outlawed as well.

Anonymoose

It is true I enjoy that it’s only going to get far worse for all of you. Nobody pays me to say this. It’s my own pleasure at watching illegal acts gather the jackboot they deserve. Everything else is semantics. Suck on that. :-)

There you have it folks, the core truth about our little troll. Just a sadistic, twisted, suffering from NPD(Narcissistic personality disorder) piece of sh!t! I have been tracking him all over the web and you can find his FUD on just about any site that deals with P2P and allows comments.

See here… http://bit.ly/XMvrr

and here… http://bit.ly/5R4EDq

Here as well… http://bit.ly/8jAyZa

Here he goes by Sam I Am…http://bit.ly/8ndBtU
Henry Emrich goes on to rip him to shreds.(Thanks Henry)

And here he goes by Anonymous Coward…http://bit.ly/8bE6Yv

And this is one of his earliest pieces on TF…http://bit.ly/7nd6oD

117 Jan 12, 2008 at 10:19 by Anonymous

nah, I just troll here to kill time and torment the stupid.
It’s really very easy, as all of you have proved.

118 Jan 12, 2008 at 10:22 by Anonymous

And since I’m unemployed and have so much time on my hands, I thought i’d just be silly.
Sorry, but I can’t help it sometimes.

So please just ignore this little turd that won’t go down the toilet when you flush it, he just keeps going round and round saying the same stupid sh!t!

Here are a couple of proverbs you should take to heart raisin troll…

*It’s better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.
*It’s often a person’s mouth broke their nose.

Ace Hall

It is true I enjoy that it’s only going to get far worse for all of you. Nobody pays me to say this. It’s my own pleasure at watching illegal acts gather the jackboot they deserve. Everything else is semantics. Suck on that. :-)

There you have it folks, the core truth about our little troll. Just a sad!st!c, tw!sted, suffering from NPD(Narcissistic personality disorder) piece of s!!t! I have been tracking him all over the web and you can find his FUD on just about any site that deals with P2P and allows comments. I have links but TorrentFreak won’t allow me to post them!

Here are a couple of proverbs you should take to heart raisin troll…

*It’s better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.
*It’s often a person’s mouth broke their nose.

Demo

Dear Hollywood:

kindly piss off.

kthx,

The people of the Internet

Come to Daddy

Trackers are like some sort of brothel?

Anyone got a hash ID for a brunette, around 5’6″, on the slim side? I wanna d/l a hooker.

pimp

Prostitution is legal in NZ so that fucks that argument!.Neither the prostitute nor the landlord has done anything wrong.

Think about it

@ 65 Jan 06, 2010 at 22:34 by Reasoned Mind

YOU need to stop engaging in theft. It is clear that your presence on the internet allows people to engage in copyright infringement and therefore you should be disconnected from the internet. You should also be required to pay damages at the sum of $50,000 per infraction for all infraction committed by anyone since the time you first used the internet. You did absolutely nothing to stop any of the infringement and that makes you solely responsible. You should be ashamed.

Anonymous

@65

Obvious troll is obvious.

Anonymous

@diseased brain

But by taking it without payment, you start a process of justice and course correction that will lead to punishments a sane person will sorely fear.

Sort of like how the labels have been using without payment songs on compilation CDs since the 80′s without paying the artists.

Warner, Sony BMG, EMI and Universal face up to $6 billion in damages for pirating a massive 300,000 tracks.

Wadstud

If Monique Wadsted’s childish angle of offense is true, then we should sue Hollywood for the wrongful death of millions who have been killed by the insane when inspired by Hollywood movies. The RIAA and Beatles should be sued for the murder by proxy of Sharon Tate, due to Manson listening to the Beatles and conceiving the master plan that is his “helter skelter.”

MM

i hear fox is hiring more people to talk about shit they have 0 clue or information on…. she should apply

me

#9 Reasoned Mind: “You can’t win this, and everything that counts is on their side.”

Everything that has power and can be bought is on their side… but everything that counts is peoples’ determination to share.

Never underestimate peoples’ ingenuity to route around laws they deem unjust. This fight against human nature, the content industry and you can’t win.

Sharing Forever

Reasoned Mind: You are anything but reasoned. The will of the hundreds of millions of sharers will always find a way. Spend your money a lawsuits, you’re just throwing it away. You get one site shut down and 10 more pop up. You’re not going to get the Internet shut down, so why are you wasting your time and money? All you are doing is alienating those of us who DO (usually) pay for movies and music. The bigger the stink you make, the LESS likely I am to buy.

The Old Codger

Well the truth is finally out.

the media started the furrow over file sharing and has used the ‘pirating’ controversy to fuel the masses that believe every word they say. All along they have been funded by central Government (In all ‘democratic’ countries) to allow them to take back control and shut their citizens up. After all just read the article referred to by @7 Jan 06, 2010 at 16:31 by ed2k/kad it should make you want to make a do-do in your pants.

Give it a year or two (if we allow this rubbish to go on) and we will have the Gestapo (sorry meant police) breaking down our doors (without warrant), confiscating our computers and accessories and take us away to a concentration camp where we can be ‘re-educate’.

Come on people let’s wake up, here in the UK we are approaching a General election, let your voices be heard if you have the vote then use it, don’t just stay at home and say the others who think this way will put it right (if so see you in the camps).

Let’s give back the power to the people remember your representative is suppose to abide by YOUR wishes and not by the little brown envelopes that are handed out like confetti..

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

ultraleetj

is this how proffessional we’re gettin, hollywood? Courts of ocurse would require much more descent and clear language, and if analogies must be used such a thing should have been done propperly. ISPS indeed don’t own the website, and technically everyone can own the website, or at least a copy (google own most websites thanks to its search crawler features), I do own some websites (as I’ve created them myself and the source files are with ME). I also own a copy of some torrentfreak articles because i’m viewing them. When my browser displays these articles i also own a portion of it. Its the risk they take as some “reasoner” said. Therefore, I am the creator of this opinion , so I entitle myself to make everyone buy it. If they don’t buy it and copy and paste it and save it into a file instead I’m gonna trace the IP address of who did that and spend all of my money suing the crap outta them and out of microsoft for making the copy and paste facility available, and also the maker of that person’s hard disk for providing the facility to store that d*mned file on which my content resides!. If the lawsuits are not effective then I’ll go out on the streets and offer my sexuality to others so that i can make money to get an uneducated, trashed teenager to write a complaint about my failed lawsuits to the supreme court. While the court decides what to do I’ll still keep on rippin society off.* . For those who said “I don’t understand why musicians don’t sell music through their site” there are many that do already. THe nicest thing’s that they thought of you and of other fellow musicians and are offering the sheet music with the downloads (as a complement) and also offer several formats for download at several bitrates and even lossless, raw, uncompressed audio files .

townie2

when people and companies like this get sued or charged, and are found not liable, or innocent, they should be counter-suing for damages, slander, loss of income, damage to reputation and business, stress, etc. the big Hollywood companies and their cronies would soon stop these harassing, annoying lawsuits that they seem to freely throw at anyone and everyone.

Yatti420

OBT should simply create a system where anybody in the world can run a mirror etc for the tracker.. Maybe in the form of a windows executable etc..

Anonymous

Prostitution? I see, Americans who think prostitution is illegal elsewhere…

Whatever

@108 & @109
Employed or unemployed, the troll is admitting to stealing. Stealing from the boss with time and bandwidth OR from the community for using his time paid by unemployment benefit to find a job. Ok, he/she/it could also be leeching of a partner although can’t imagine the troll having one.

If there is a “kill this troll law” and the troll is always sticking to law (so it says) would the troll give itself up for lynching being a perfect law abiding troll or would it flee and hide to stay alive ? Come to think of it, got a nice analogy. If East Germany would have been full of reasoned trolls and they do as they claim the wall would still stand today as being against the state is illegal.

Ontopic:
Strange comparison to claim something is illegal as prostitution was legalized in the Netherlands some time ago (so the hookers can pay taxes now). Dont know about Sweden but it might be legal there as well, anyway it is not as clear as it seems. It sounds like they’re afraid to use the magic words that lets politicians take away peoples freedom because it would be too obvious.

I wonder what kind of reason the bought Swedish courts will think of this time to order an ISP to start checking for infringments. This will set the next step towards a kind of Romania (in the past) where in the end this private policing ends up in spying on your neighbours.

DeathStalker

People have to remember that Hollywood (MPAA) also wanted to stop the production of VHS players and tapes – remember that Jack Valenti lamented that VHS would be the “death” pf the industry.

Hmm, seems to me that they still make more off of video/DVD than the movies make at the BO, right?

Just shows the intelligence level (or lack thereof) of the people in charge of the industry.

Just a dinosaur waiting around to die.

Drake3

This whole mess is simply just a case of the rich few versus the poor many. The rich few win when things are calm and going smoothly. It is when the poor many get riled up that things change.

Right now, that is exactly what is happening. The rich few are directly attacking some of the poor many and we are getting riled up. The more they attack us, the more of us who will stand up and resist. If the rich few keep this up they will be overpowered as our power grows with each attack.

GagoAngBatasNinyo

Reasoned Mind sounds like a Hollywood Producer…

GagoAngBatasNinyo

The File Sharing Community is about 100 times larger than the coasts of Somalia.
Shutting down file sharing is like the US sending troops to Afganistan or Iraq, u kill the bad guys but u massacre about 1000 civilians in return. Movie and music piracy should be stopped, i thnk that’s something we should agree about, esp. Reasoned Mind.
I just bought a Beatles CD and I want to share it to my friend in Hawaii. So what would I do? I rip it into mp3s and share it. But wait? Reasoned Mind notices it. He wonders, “Oh sh1t! What the FU(K! This guy cant do that? I, I mean, record companies didn’t get a single cent in that transaction? I should sue this half-minded faggot, fu(k his mother and shut down tracker sites!”
So, after sailing the whole Somali coast, up to Cape of Good Hope, he got tired, and thought of something. “I, I mean record companies should install an ‘internet music and movie counter’, that every bit of movie and music content sent over the internet should be monitored so that I, I mean the record companies have a sale. Oh FU(K, Im a genius!”
2 minutes later, a half-minded Asian ransacks his house, fu(ks his mother and inserted an 10-track CD of Beatles in his ass…, then to his mouth…

Anonymous

Movie and music piracy should be stopped, i thnk that’s something we should agree about, esp. Reasoned Mind.

Should is a matter that’s quickly fading into irrelevance. Big Content spent a decade trying to stop people from downloading and sharing creative works. They failed hard. Whether or not it’s okay to download, which is a very debateable and conditional thing, it’s pretty much impossible at this point to stop it. Everyone would be best served by adapting to the changes wrought by technology, instead of trying to resist them.

wiggle

“no different to landlords who knowingly allow prostitution on their premises.”
No different? But what about … omg, you know, now that I think about it, it’s *exactly the same thing*! What a fool I have been for even questioning this obvious fact!

DeathStalker

As of now, http://www.openbittorrent.com and the track both seem to be offline.

Anyone know anything more?

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