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		<title>By: [Caduti del Warez] Si invertono le parti! Hotfile denuncia Warner Bros &#171; DiarioNascosto v3.0</title>
		<link>/hotfile-sues-warner-bros-for-copyright-fraud-and-abuse-110913/#comment-836562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[[Caduti del Warez] Si invertono le parti! Hotfile denuncia Warner Bros &#171; DiarioNascosto v3.0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hotfile pozywa Warner Bros za oszustwa i nadu?ycia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hotfile pozywa Warner Bros za oszustwa i nadu?ycia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Torrent Freak informuje o bardzo ciekawym zwrocie akcji, kiedy to gn?biony Hotfile postanowi? si? odgry??. Wiele wskazuje na to, ?e skutecznie. Zacznijmy jednak od pocz?tku. Kiedy Warner Bros nie podoba?o si?, ?e multimedia do których posiadaj? prawa s? udost?pniane za pomoc? serwisu Hotfile, serwis postanowi? zareagowa? daj?c wytwórni filmowej odpowiednie narz?dzie aby walczy? z tym procederem. Narz?dzie nosi nazw? Special Rightsholder Account (SRA) i pozwala Warner Bros usuwa? z serwisu umieszczone na nim pliki, zak?adaj?c oczywi?cie, ?e Warner Bros faktycznie posiada do nich prawo. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Torrent Freak informuje o bardzo ciekawym zwrocie akcji, kiedy to gn?biony Hotfile postanowi? si? odgry??. Wiele wskazuje na to, ?e skutecznie. Zacznijmy jednak od pocz?tku. Kiedy Warner Bros nie podoba?o si?, ?e multimedia do których posiadaj? prawa s? udost?pniane za pomoc? serwisu Hotfile, serwis postanowi? zareagowa? daj?c wytwórni filmowej odpowiednie narz?dzie aby walczy? z tym procederem. Narz?dzie nosi nazw? Special Rightsholder Account (SRA) i pozwala Warner Bros usuwa? z serwisu umieszczone na nim pliki, zak?adaj?c oczywi?cie, ?e Warner Bros faktycznie posiada do nich prawo. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 7th_Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, but you&#039;re wrong. For file *sharing* to take place, the content seekers and the content providers need to be on the same tier so their roles can change on demand. Such is the case with BT, DC++ and Gnutella network clients where there is only one role for anyone involved: peer. In the case of file hosting services, you have a clear client-server model going on where the server only offers a file at a time and the client only receives during that time instead of uploading anything to anyone else simultaneously. Obviously, that&#039;s a selfish data acquisition method compared to getting something via torrent and can&#039;t, therefore, be regarded as file *sharing* (whom are you sharing with as an http downloader anyway?).
The fact that cyberlockers can be used as a means of asynchronous file sharing (if DLers subsequently went on to reupload what they grabbed to other cyberlockers) doesn&#039;t make them file sharing services any more than passing around HDDs or USB thumbsticks with previously file shared content does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but you&#8217;re wrong. For file *sharing* to take place, the content seekers and the content providers need to be on the same tier so their roles can change on demand. Such is the case with BT, DC++ and Gnutella network clients where there is only one role for anyone involved: peer. In the case of file hosting services, you have a clear client-server model going on where the server only offers a file at a time and the client only receives during that time instead of uploading anything to anyone else simultaneously. Obviously, that&#8217;s a selfish data acquisition method compared to getting something via torrent and can&#8217;t, therefore, be regarded as file *sharing* (whom are you sharing with as an http downloader anyway?).<br />
The fact that cyberlockers can be used as a means of asynchronous file sharing (if DLers subsequently went on to reupload what they grabbed to other cyberlockers) doesn&#8217;t make them file sharing services any more than passing around HDDs or USB thumbsticks with previously file shared content does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ven</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Disco

The ToU agreement on the SRA function is there so that some dumbass like me can&#039;t go spam takedown notices on every single file they host. It is there so Hotfile doesn&#039;t have to deal with griefing deviants. 

We know that abusing the tool is not enough legally for Hotfile to disallow Warner from using the tool (i.e. allowing copyrighted Warner material to freely be up- and downloaded on their servers). The question is how Hotfile is then supposed to go about policing copyright holders who are using the tool improperly.

I would think that a judge (assuming he is seeing this the way we are) could fine Warner for each infraction. At the same time, there may be precedent set that allows Hotfile to fine abusers of their system, before they are allowed to use it again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Disco</p>
<p>The ToU agreement on the SRA function is there so that some dumbass like me can&#8217;t go spam takedown notices on every single file they host. It is there so Hotfile doesn&#8217;t have to deal with griefing deviants. </p>
<p>We know that abusing the tool is not enough legally for Hotfile to disallow Warner from using the tool (i.e. allowing copyrighted Warner material to freely be up- and downloaded on their servers). The question is how Hotfile is then supposed to go about policing copyright holders who are using the tool improperly.</p>
<p>I would think that a judge (assuming he is seeing this the way we are) could fine Warner for each infraction. At the same time, there may be precedent set that allows Hotfile to fine abusers of their system, before they are allowed to use it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ven</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SDM

I had considered that as well.

The case perhaps shouldn&#039;t be between Hotfile and Warner, but between Warner and the copyright holders of those non-Warner works.

Hopefully this case will show us what kind of deal websites have in place for DMCA functionality.]]></description>
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<p>I had considered that as well.</p>
<p>The case perhaps shouldn&#8217;t be between Hotfile and Warner, but between Warner and the copyright holders of those non-Warner works.</p>
<p>Hopefully this case will show us what kind of deal websites have in place for DMCA functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: FrozenCanuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About Warner Brothers misusing Hotfile&#039;s takedown tool-- 

There&#039;s a positive side to this that I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s commented on.  Rights holders are always saying filelocker companies should monitor the uploads and remove all infringing content.  The filelocker companies are saying, &quot;that&#039;s impossible&quot;.  We can&#039;t possibly monitor everything that&#039;s been uploaded.&quot;

In this case, Hotfile gave Warner Brothers the job of monitoring Hotfile content and removing whatever belonged to Warner Brothers.  I suspect what happened is not that Warner Brothers intentionally removed content that wasn&#039;t theirs.  Rather, they tried their best to monitor and remove Warner Brothers&#039; content, and found out what everybody knows-- there is no way for anyone to efficiently and accurately find and remove infringing content.

This lawsuit&#039;s biggest benefit, I suspect, will be to demonstrate to the Courts that even the best intentioned filelocker service cannot monitor and remove all infringing content.  If Warner Brothers can&#039;t even do it with their own material, why should others be able to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Warner Brothers misusing Hotfile&#8217;s takedown tool&#8211; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a positive side to this that I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s commented on.  Rights holders are always saying filelocker companies should monitor the uploads and remove all infringing content.  The filelocker companies are saying, &#8220;that&#8217;s impossible&#8221;.  We can&#8217;t possibly monitor everything that&#8217;s been uploaded.&#8221;</p>
<p>In this case, Hotfile gave Warner Brothers the job of monitoring Hotfile content and removing whatever belonged to Warner Brothers.  I suspect what happened is not that Warner Brothers intentionally removed content that wasn&#8217;t theirs.  Rather, they tried their best to monitor and remove Warner Brothers&#8217; content, and found out what everybody knows&#8211; there is no way for anyone to efficiently and accurately find and remove infringing content.</p>
<p>This lawsuit&#8217;s biggest benefit, I suspect, will be to demonstrate to the Courts that even the best intentioned filelocker service cannot monitor and remove all infringing content.  If Warner Brothers can&#8217;t even do it with their own material, why should others be able to?</p>
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		<title>By: Holypoo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sue and counter sue, keep the fat bassas fat. good on hotfile and while they are at it, relocate, just in case]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sue and counter sue, keep the fat bassas fat. good on hotfile and while they are at it, relocate, just in case</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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