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Earlier today we wrote that the Swedish Pirate Party introduced a completely anonymous internet service called relakks. However, how anonymous is it, and is it really a darknet?

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First, both the Relakks site and the announcement make it very clear that the service is supposed to provide anonymous access to the Internet. What isn’t as clear is that Relakks is just a PPTP (VPN) provider. Customers sign up, pay €5 a month and get on their merry way. All of their traffic is encrypted to the Relakks servers, at which point it travels the Internet like regular traffic.

As far as I can tell, all your traffic carries a Swedish Relakks IP, presumably mapped to your real IP somewhere on a Relakks computer. Now you can’t connect to Relakks anonymously, because then they’d have no way of verifying you are a paying customer (plus VPN authentication is based on identity verification), so Relakks knows who you really are when all your traffic goes through them.

Let’s compare this to something that has been traditionally called an anonymous network — Tor, a program implementing onion routing. With Tor you connect to an onion router, which then builds a path for you through other onion routers to your destination, in such a way that it makes it very hard to determine both the sender and the receiver of an on-going communication. The entire link is encrypted, unless of course you are outproxying to the intenet (then traffic has to be decrypted either way when it leaves the outproxy). But at least with Tor, it is very hard for the outproxy to figure out where the real request came from.

Today, the Swedish Pirate Party launched a new Internet service that lets anybody send and receive files and information over the Internet without fear of being monitored or logged.

The problem is that since Relakks knows who I really am, and that any outgoing connections from them are unencrypted, I really do have something to fear.. Relakks. What is the difference between trusting them and trusting my own ISP not to give me away?

Relakks could be logging behind the scenes, turning on a silent switch without telling anyone. Even in a case where we do trust Relakks not to keep the logs of the actual data that goes through, they will still have mappings between Relakks IPs and Real IPs at any point in time — this is just begging for an organization such as the antipiratbyran or the MPAA/RIAA to set up honeypots across various torrent sites, until finally they have enough Relakks IPs information to be able to sue them in court if they have a real IP, at which point the Swedish police could raid the Relakks location and get those real IPs.

If Relakks did not have their own direct connection to the internet, their outgoing ISP could be tapped and then setting up such a honeypot would be trivial. Otherwise, multiple peers could actively participate in swarms on sites such as the Pirate Bay, logging actively all of the IPs of the seeds and the superseeds on such swarms.

Secondly, the Relakks service is called a “Darknet.” After reading the paper that originally introduced the term Darknet at http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm, I am hard pressed to understand what makes a VPN tunnel a Darknet.

The idea of the darknet is based upon three assumptions:

1. Any widely distributed object will be available to a fraction of users in a form that permits copying.
2. Users will copy objects if it is possible and interesting to do so.
3. Users are connected by high-bandwidth channels.

This seems to me to describe a subset of P2P services, perhaps F2P. A program such as Waste, facilitating connections to your friends would fit the bill, but a general-connectivity tunnel? Would that not be akin to calling IPSec or IPv4 a darknet solution because it allows programs such as Freenet to operate under it? Would that not make any low level Internet protocol a Darknet then?

The service allows people to use an untraceable address in the darknet, where they cannot be personally identified.

Yet I do not recall Darknets having to be anonymous. Pseudononymous, perhaps, but only because that is a side effect of keeping the connections limited to a group of friends. Even if a Darknet had to be anonymous though, as I said earlier, Relakks hardly keeps your identity safe — they have to know who you are at all times (unlike say Tor)!

Lastly, I have some less related comments I wish to share with you:

  • The PPS does not own Relakks, they seem to be affiliated and perhaps will get a share of each person they refer to Relakks?
  • I wonder what political repercussions the PPS is hoping to achieve by actively promoting a network which will incentivize users to engage in illegal activities (such as unauthorized works distribution) behind the scenes of a “trusted” outproxy.
  • P.S. My views do not represent the official views, positions, standings or otherwise, of the Pirate Party US, unless otherwise stated by an appropriate party official.

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    • garcia

      It sounds like the term “darknet” was misapplied. Let’s just drop that bit.

      So it’s a VPN service which promises not to log your usage. If the promise is true, this is a perfect protection for the user, but not for Relakks. Relakks could be sued for infringement or whatever other illegal activity. If the promise is false, you’re only protected by the “due process” of Swedish laws.

      Lets hope that Relakks responds with clarification and some real reassurance.

    • Snapphane

      Well, the idea of Relakks, as I understand it is like this. Since they don’t have a “real” subscription, just a “pay as you go” kind of service, they don’t need to save the logs. Normal ISPs have to. This gives them a protection from people like RIAA (hope I spelled it right). When the police come knocking, they can just shake their heads and say; Sorry, no logs here.

      Sure, they can still keep them ans screw you all over. But they don’t seem to have that kind of idea in there heads. And the legal protection makes them safer then your normal ISP. The fact that they are cheaper then other VPN-services doesn’t hurt either. Still, there are better ways to keep your data safe, but it’s a good way for them to make a stand point. Stop snooping, or we start hiding! =D

    • DB

      It isn’t what they claim, but it is a very good deal for a VPN.

    • IspeakSwedish

      I’m using it right now .. and it does give you a Swedish IP(dynamic),
      torrents ,FTP ,email all work fine with it .
      It’s true what you say ,the mafiaa could do most of those things
      you say , the question is :
      Can they convince the Swedish Police to ask a Swedish Judge for a warrant ?
      You have to remember that Sweden is not the USA .
      First ,the DMCA is not law of the land in Sweden
      Second , Sweden does not have a “Patriot Act” or other overly
      harsh laws allowing the authorities or mafiaa to spy on its citizens,including private companies .
      In order for the Swedish Police to obtain a warrant they need to suspect you and show cause of a crime carrying a minimum sentence of 2 years jail . No normal non-profit private file-sharing comes even close to meet that requirement at the time being . There ARE of course a few things that DO meet them , but those are the things nobody should have a problem with , like child-abuse , national security
      and other serious things .
      Swedish ISP’s are not required to keep logs of traffic .They have privacy-laws that
      do protect your privacy ,unlike certain other countries .
      Third: Since you pay up-front, in Sweden it’s considered a cash-deal and no law
      requires companies to keep records that can identify cash customers .
      (your credit-card provider or bank will have records of the transaction)
      and last : Swedes in general don’t like the USA playing world-police in their country .
      So it really doesn’t matter how many “multiple peers” mafiaa let join the swarms ,
      they won’t get the warrant in the first place .

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    • antix

      Relakks has pretty shady business practices. I signed up for an account and didn’t think to quickly note the greyed out username (a series of numbers auto-generated) that was on a web form. I rebooted my computer and alas, I now can’t use the account I paid EUR 5.00 for. Great.

    • Jism

      Antix: Sounds like a personal problem…

    • JudaZ

      When you sign up to relakks they dont ask for any personal information, just an e-mail adress, any e-mail adress is fine .. for instace you can use http://www.slaskpost.se
      that only save the emails and the email -adress you created one day.

      Then there is of course the problem with the creditcard, but there is nothing that say that I use the service just because I paid for it.
      Maybe I payed for a friend, in Sweden its up to the prosucutor to prove I’m guilty not the accused to prove he’s innocent.

    • me

      [Quote]“I wonder what political repercussions the PPS is hoping to achieve by actively promoting a network which will incentivize users to engage in illegal activities…”[/Quote]

      The common (mis?)conception – promoted by the PirateBay guys (“Steal This Film”) – is that the PP approves sharing “illegal” material or thinks the issue less important than privacy.

    • frankie

      “Relakks has pretty shady business practices. I signed up for an account and didn’t think to quickly note the greyed out username (a series of numbers auto-generated) that was on a web form. I rebooted my computer and alas, I now can’t use the account I paid EUR 5.00 for. Great.”

      That seems like proof that they dont store personal information. They probably didnt give you the info because they dont have it either. Live and learn.

      “Then there is of course the problem with the creditcard, but there is nothing that say that I use the service just because I paid for it.
      Maybe I payed for a friend, in Sweden its up to the prosucutor to prove I’m guilty not the accused to prove he’s innocent.”

      The solution is use a pre-paid credit card. That is anonymous.

    • relakksdude

      I am also a customer and I mailed with them back and forth a bit.

      The result is the following:

      They keep log files. For 3 months.

      Well, I doesn’t seem too relaxed to me anyway. They have room for improvement. Both technically and actually concerning their “privacy practices”

      Peace out

    • phodifoo

      relakksdude: you are lucky, they never replied to my email with the same question. could you post here this email from relakks that asserts this 3 month logs. this information is not available anywhere else.

      thanks

    • really

      yes could you relakksdude. It’s interesting

    • really

      Maybe the Swedish low is changed.

    • Hmmmm

      no payment possible!!!

    • jonah

      relakks site seems down today and their domain is for sale?

    • flash

      They are down?
      Where’s my god damm money!
      Argh, I hope they get back online and havent suddenly disbanded.

    • japhy

      Yes, I’m having the same problem.. Relakks suddenly seems to have disappeared.. what’s going on?

    • Anonymous

      they are back-in-business…

    • Anonymous

      From what I read, it seems that if they keep logs or through your credit card it seems possible for the MPAA or RIAA to nab you for file sharing. What I question is whether or not they would bother dealing with Sweden considering they have millions of people sharing through US ISPs in which case they know they can file suits against people.

    • Karin A

      For everyone who wonder what Relakks is, or just want to know more… :

      I saw a great interview with the owner and founder of Relakks, Jonas Birgersson. He is interviewed by Thomas Crampton and many interesting questions are answered.

      Here is a link to the short interview: http://light.vpod.tv/?s=0.0.201364

    • Relakks sucks

      I tried Relakks after reading this article.

      If you’re thinking of doing the same, DON’T!!

      Relakks refuses to provide any support and you’re likely to need it.

      I have signed up for a Relakks account twice. Both times I ended up needing support as the result of a billing problem.

      The 2nd time I signed up for a 1 year account at a cost of $84 ($50 EUROS).

      After paying (using Paypal), I was unable to login with the credentials they provided. I then noticed that when I logged into their webpage, it said that my account was “inactive” and my payment had “expired” even though there was a record that I had just paid $84 to set up the account.

      I have emailed Relakks more than 3 times over the period of 2 weeks, each time waiting about 4 days for them to answer. No response.

      The Relakks attitude about customer support is very apparent from their website: https://www.relakks.com/faq/qna/#6

      They say they will NOT answer any emails that do not follow the exact guide defined on their website. If these people had any technical skills, they could create a support form on their website that could collect the information they want in the exact format they require, but no, they want you to put it into an email.

      They also don’t support OpenVPN, the standard and trusted open source VPN solution, and instead require that you use PPTP which isn’t as secure.

      Either way, it’s a moot point for users like me who paid but never were able to login due to non-existant support from Relakks.

      Oh, if you sign up for a 1 year account and fail to use it for a month, they shut off your account.

      Also, they have trouble with any login/passwords that are not alphanumeric, but LET YOU choose login/passwords that are NOT alphanumeric. How smart is that?

      As a result, lots of users having problems with that issue as well.

      Relakks sucks.

    • Lurch

      I signed up to Relakks about 4 months ago. I’ve paid for only 2 months of service (somehow getting about 2 months free). Relakks works great. I have a firewall setup to force all torrent connections through Relakks.

      Only complaint is now I am trying to renew my account, and it appears their billing system is being looked over (for the good or bad).

      Relakks is good! Dont hate because your too retarded to figure out some simple login instructions.

    • Ralph

      I’d like to say a few words in defence of Relakks:

      Firstly, you can try it for free. Go to the site now and just sign up for a free one month trial. It’s not difficult to do. After you’ve used the trial then decide from experience if it is worth it to you or not.

      I have just finished a free trial and am now looking to subscribe (but can’t because just now they are ‘reviewing payment *methods*’ [my emphasis] notice on the website. Nevertheless, because I didn’t fully appreciate the value of subscribing and supplying a ‘disposable email address’ at the time of my free trial, before trying to subscribe and make a month payment, I opened a new user account. In doing that I got issued with another free trail – have it running now. Have been back to Relakks site several times to pay but still can’t do so. My point is you can try it for free and see what you think.

      On the issue of how ‘secure and anonymous’ is Relakks I think it reasonable to ask what do you mean and/or want from ‘secure and anonymous’? My own feeling is that I’m not doing hellish much wrong. Yup, I do P2P, it’s the way the wind is blowing and a *great many* people participate and don’t see it as fundamentally wrong. But just how much security and anonymity do you need for that? My own guess is not a great deal (at least so far).

      I feel a lot more comfortable about doing P2P via Relakks than without it and I get that comfort at a fairly reasonable price.

      Relakks has warts, yes, a few but nothing is perfect and it’s a damn site better than just P2P-ing directly from your own ISP.

      Give it a chance, it’s a good move in the right direction. In time I’m sure some of the warts will be ironed out but suspect that some are pretty well inevitable.

    • RelakksUser

      I think it’s a good sign if paypal barks! Why? Because it’s a snooping company & a legal entity in the US. Prob. HomeDept. wants access to relakks via paypal, but can’t due to relakks refusal. So paypal takes revenge and cuts off relakks. Next step are the creditcards….all happened before –> mp3.com

    • dane

      There is something seriously wrong with PayPal, they are working on the problem. But it’s a big technical solution that might take up to one month to accomplish. During the time you can always pay directly to our bank account. I will load your account for a week so you can use our service until your payment have arrived. 2008-06-25 15:57:51

      IBAN: SE7712000000012210110645
      SWIFT: DABASESX

      Don’t forget to put in your alias or UserID.
      (It will take a couple of days before we get the paper form the bank that you paid, so please be patience.)

      You can also pay directly to us 5€ (50SEK) one month 50€ (450SEK) one year. Send money to

      Martin Norneus
      Relakks
      Winstrupsgatan 1
      222 22 Lund
      Sweden

      (don’t forget to write your UserID or alias so I can load you r account manually. This will take a few days for me to receive the payment).

    • teimu

      Ralph said:
      “On the issue of how ‘secure and anonymous’ is Relakks I think it reasonable to ask what do you mean and/or want from ‘secure and anonymous’? My own feeling is that I’m not doing hellish much wrong.”

      Wait, so if what you’re doing isn’t “hellish wrong”, then what do you have to fear? Don’t use Relakks then.

      By using it, you admit compliance with the view that what you are doing is wrong and can get you into trouble.

      Can’t have your cake and eat it too man.

    • notme

      @teimu
      The “nothing to hide” argument is a fallacy.
      Seeking privacy is not proof of any guilt.
      If you have nothing to hide, would you mind an IRS audit every year?
      There’s a good, but rather heady essay on the subject at ssrn.com/abstract=998565

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