How the Porn Industry Plans to Wipe Out BitTorrent
Written by enigmax on September 11, 2007With all the negative reporting about BitTorrent in the mainstream media, you could be forgiven for thinking that an anti-piracy crackdown against torrent sites would be a depressing issue. On the contrary, the porn industry’s approach to dealing with BitTorrent raises more than a few smiles.
Yesterday we reported on a porn-industry meeting where they decided to take on BitTorrent and tackle the piracy menace. Today we take a look at some of the pre-meeting arrangements and discussions leading up to the ’round table’ meeting. A message on the GoFuckYourself forums (which sent this writer’s Firefox ‘suspicious site‘ plugin crazy) made by ServerGenius (an 8000+ post veteran and member since 2002) sounded quite urgent:
Plan A: Starve the Internet of Pirate Porn
ALL Major Content Producers / Studios / Big Brand names IN HERE NOW!!!!
Hit me up, I have extremely important information regarding content theft, distribution of both Interactive Online Media as well as DVD movie releases. I’m onto a major site that is one of the main sources in distributing new fresh stolen content on a daily basis on usenet but also most torrent sites grab their content from this source to add it to the torrent networks. I not only have info but also everything needed to legally deal with them and to get them permanently shutdown. I’m not joking, I’m not bullshitting I already have taken all the steps needed to get them shutdown…..but want to collect as much evidence from companies who their content is listed before getting them closed down. Doing so will ensure they’ll stay down…..I will assist every step that’s required to get this done properly I need you to confirm on the content that’s yours and your approval to include that info in the documentation to be used to whipe them out.
ServerGenius (SG) reveals the plan to stop porn piracy and starve torrent sites:
I’m after a forum which is very active releasing adult content by using usenet…..The site offers .nzb downloads for its users to download everything without having to look for it……..it’s a usenet for dummies kinda thing as well as a community for quite a few of the bigger release teams that do porn.
The forum is also used a LOT for the torrentsite owners as their main source for new releases……example: Shane’s World releases a new DVD today……it’s ripped, uploaded and added with all the info, screen shots and full dvd-rip tomorrow…..same day or day after…..same content is listed on sites like: puretna.com, empornium.us and many others.
Do I make this up? No I don’t, are you sure about that? Yes I am…… I have logs and any other info that will backup everything I claim….how did you get all this info? Believe it or not, they gave it themselves to me…….but more about that later…..
So the plan seems to revolve around taking down a single NZB site (a site which simplifies UseNet downloading) so that adult trackers immediately lose their source material, just like that. The problem with this plan is - well, everything really. 1) Taking down an NZB site doesn’t remove the content from Usenet. 2) There are lots of other NZB sites and sites which enable you to make your own NZBs. 3) Experienced Usenet users don’t need NZB sites. 4) Releasers have multiple sources, not just Usenet. 5) They’re discussing their take-down plans on the open internet. People read and report on such things.
Plan B: The Solutions to BitTorrent Sites
Ron Cadwell CEO of CCBill (processer of credit card transactions for porn sites) weighs in with some ideas of his own:
I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.
The question is how do you do that? Simple.
1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers. The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)
2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?
3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the complaints?
I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.
Bingo Problem Solved
Not even the mighty MPAA/RIAA with their gargantuan anti-piracy budgets seem to have thought of this plan, however Ron Cadwell felt that spamming DMCA notices is the way to go:
With a little programming I am sure A1R3K’s new group could put an online system that could make it very easy to send hundreds of complaints a day to each backbone provider and really put the pressure on them to black hole the sites.
Drunkspringbreakgirls sees no complications and is eager to get on with it:
We need to make a list of all the torrents, which backbone they are using and then we can all start contacting their abuse departments of the providers.
RawAlex steps in with his way to take down The PirateBay:
Swedish embassies based in the US are great places to drop off DMCA notices. Their government not wanting to take action on obvious copyright violation is a real issue, and raising this issue to this level may in fact make a difference.
…and continues:
…with due respect, 90% of the companies providing the actual connectivity are either based in the US or are owned by US companies. As such, to a greater or less extent, they can be touched by a DMCA because they have responsibilities as good corporate citizens in the US.
Example, is piratebay.org - “hosted” by p80.net, which is (shock) registered at Directnic. That would be a good place to send a DMCA.
P80.net is getting their connectivity (the route I get) from sprintlink. Spring comes up with an address in Kansas.
There are all sorts of fun places to deal with on this issue. If P80 / port80 / rix internet is not going to remove connectivity from pirate bay (and like pirate bay will try to hide behind lax swedish laws) then you get the US based companies that provide their connectivity to take the action that US law obliges them to take……
…Piratebay is hiding in Sweden because they know pretty much anywhere else they would get escorted to a cell with Bubba for recreation for the next few years. Again, shows a consciousness of guilt. If they thought they were right, they wouldn’t be hiding under the ice in Sweden.
….unless the guys from PirateBay happened to be a) Swedish and b) not hiding and c) not breaking any Swedish law.
Brokep, one of the founders of The Pirate Bay is not really impressed by these plans. He told TorrentFreak in a response: “We welcome the porn industry to contact us, we need more updates for the legal page, hasn’t been any fun legal threats for a while - and the porn industry have a good sense of humor, just look at the movie names they copy and remake.”
The porn industry certainly isn’t getting much sympathy from the guys on Digg either. Kikkomann felt that torrents provided great publicity for their stars while str3ama felt that the adult industry had some infringement issues of it’s own to deal with.
homesickalien couldn’t understand how the porn movie business could ever lose any money: “it’s not like they’re shelling out millions to some a-list actors or spending loads on CG effects” he said. “All you need is a $50 hooker, a dv camcorder and a dvdburner. the porn industry couldn’t lose money if it tried to.”
However, the industry maintains that it loses 4% of its total worldwide revenue to piracy. ButterBuddha feels they should proceed with caution:
“The fight for that 4% will ruin the industry…”
The full discussions on GFY can be found here and here.
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So, “US porn” is going to get less free advertising ?
The “non US” porn companies must be thrilled.
More “exposure” for them.
Pun intended. ;)
The RIIA and MPAA’s exuberance about its ability to wipe out BitTorrent by enlisting the porn industry is nothing but a wet dream.
lol @ death to torrents……ya might as well start flapping your arms and try to fly to the moon…! MUCH more chance of you doing that than stopping torrents or filesharing. I’ve been sharing from the day I got a internet connection and I’ll be sharing all my life……and reading punks like you whinging makes my day……The POOR movie stars/directors/porn stars/agents…….could only get 18 carat gold toilets in their private jets,instead of 22 carat……all because of us pirates BOO-HOO!!
There’s only a few sites (two that I know of) that index porn nzb’s, because they have to be completely free due to Paypal restrictions. That’s why Newzbin is divided into two separate sites. Binsearch can also provide porn nzb’s because they are totally free. If they did shut down those two sites it would slow down the easy distribution of porn. Here’s why:
1) Most of the content on the big porn torrent sites is non-scene, therefore it’s not trickling down from 0day torrent sites, it’s coming from usenet.
2) There are so many porn binary groups that you almost much HAVE to use nzb’s. Unless of course, you like downloading hundreds of thousands of headers or paying for some dick lick super search service.
Maybe it’s good that they will be cracking down a little, piracy is becoming way too easy for any old n00b using torrents.
Some people just can’t get enough….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOFTQpNhsWE&eurl=
Ill find out your IP come to your house with guns rob the place and blow your brains out fuck hole.
[quote comment="163350"][quote comment="163301"]You do not understand. Bittorrent is not just for porn. Its for us who do not have direct or indirect access do content. For instance, I live in Guam. We have a lot of the same things as the Mainland US. But I cannot get all of the TV shows here. So I download them off EZTV. Another example is Jamendo. I get most of the my music from them through Bittorent. I really do not want people monitoring me while I download ANYTHING. That is considered an illegal wire tap. This is my private property and no one can look at it without a court order. I suggest you look at the electronic copyright act. As a network admin I have to deal with that. Just because they can see I download something does not mean they can act on it. Heck they would have to download it in order to find out what it is. What happens if it isn’t what they thought it was? Did they just infringe? yes. I hate these vigilantes that think they are above the law. Why don’t you go fuck yourself?[/quote]
Oh boo fucking hoo, you don’t get some of the shows you want to watch in Guam, contact your cable tv provider - but quit trying to justify your THEFT, jackass. And how hard do you think it would be to get a subpoena from your ISP with a screenshot of your IP as a peer on someones torrent containing copywritten material? I pray for the day when a bill is passed that requires distributors and/or websites providing access to distributors ( seeders ) to PROACTIVELY screen for COPYWRITTEN material. Theft is theft no matter how you try to justify it to yourself - for all that do, let me know when you’ll be gone so I can rob your house and sell all your shit to support my $1000/week escort service addiction. Come the fuck on…[/quote]
Maybe you missed this memo, or nobody told you but um… it isn’t illegal to download TV yet guy.
Fuck you FOAD.
tv torrents aint illegal
[quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
Teacher, you forgot to give us homework!
[quote comment="163539"][quote comment="163186"]You’re all right. You can’t stop torrent sites. However, you sure as fuck can sue the shit out of a torrent user, and even multiple users. Hmm… Here’s a quick outline… User downloads free porn from torrent site. User is tracked via their IP address (even through anon proxies this can be done… don’t kid yourself.). Porn company gets user’s billing info, as their ISP is required to give this info in a legal suit. User is located and served. Did you know that posession of 1 instance of pirated video / film is subject to over $150,000.00 in fines? WOW. I guess you’re all billionares, because when the industry hits you, it won’t be a love tap, we’ll knock you the fuck out. K.O. Bitches! Wait for it. It’s coming.
This is going to be fun. :)[/quote]
Teacher, you forgot to give us homework![/quote]
HAHAHHAHAAHA!!
The porn industry will get far less support and attention in the media and the court system than the record industry has received. And it should be clear that the latter is basically losing its ass because of the strong-arm tactics against individuals. They are encouraging people to steal with their own greedy methods.
The only solution to illegal copying and distribution is to make a product of such a high quality, including packaging and extras, that a person would prefer to spend money than get it free. The fact the product is basically worthless (a piece of overpriced plastic with garbage content) is why people are comfortable ripping and downloading.
Network transit providers are covered by “common carrier” laws in most countries. They cannot be sued for anything that traverses their network.
They don’t have a leg to stand on; this is just a bunch of conjecture by a bunch of people who don’t know the law.
Whats the big deal with torrent sites. I like getting my files from there. Its free and easy and fast. Why should I have to pay for a program these days? Really. I think if you are going to use a program for personal use, it should be free in most cases. If you are planning on distributing the program for companies, then charge the big boys. Regarding movies that are illegal… they should be free as well. The entire movie industry makes way too much money. Celebrities and musicians who are featured in illegal content should shut their mouths and remember how much money they already make. Why do they need to make more. I would understand and agree to pay for stuff, if lets say the proceeds went to better ideas like education and scientific advancement, not to support the easy, laid back lifestyles of celebrities.
Seriously, even tho it is almost impossible to stop Torrents (let’s not go into details), i think it would be awesome if torrents actually got killed. Read on, please, do not flame me. Remember how when P-2-P started it was pretty basic, with one computer sending files directly to another computer. Well, when Napster got killed, Torrents evolved. If you compare technologies, Torrent is way better and way faster and way way way, well … better! Now, using same theory, if something happened to Torrents, then the smart programmers will have to think something better! And by better i mean faster, lighter, easier to use, more widespread network (hell, my cellphone is online24/7, use that!), less traceable, …
You get the idea.
This will just spurn more amateur content and new ways to distribute porn. Maybe we can ask Al Gore what we should invent next?
Porn forever! -AnusJuice.com
The world is too concentrated on the wrong things. I can’t believe people are wasting their time caring about who downloads movies and music from torrent sites. Why not waste your time worrying about how the US is falling behind in the world. Our jobs are being sent to other countries, our children are being raised with lower expectation levels and less education when compared with, lets say Japan or India, and this torrent issue to some, means more. What the hell is wrong with some of you people?
Daemon has a good point. Evebtually, as time goes on, there will be better ways to get your content. Torrent is one of the best ways we have now, but in the future, as the internet evolves, there will be more and more ways to get your stuff. I dont think anyone will be able to stop someone from uploading some file to some server somewhere in the world. Just saying that sentence should re-assure you how big the internet is, how fast its growing, and how hard it is to control it. They will not be able to control the torrent industry. They tried with Suprnova and Audiogalaxy, you see what happened. Now, its available in more places with faster speeds and its even easier to get it now. Not to mention you can change your IP address willingly by disconnecting yourself everynight while you sleep. If enough time goes by, I think your lease will expire and you will be given a new IP address. Am I wrong?
Man they can shut down any site or server they want, but guess what for every site or server they shut down 5+ come up in its place. Plus every time people like to mess with Bit Torrent we as coders and developers find was around all the blocks. This is the one P2P network that is here to stay and will always evolve as the years go by.
[quote comment="163577"]Man they can shut down any site or server they want, but guess what for every site or server they shut down 5+ come up in its place. Plus every time people like to mess with Bit Torrent we as coders and developers find ways around all the blocks. This is the one P2P network that is here to stay and will always evolve as the years go by.[/quote]
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