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Idiotic Copyright Comparisons in Canadian Parliament

Politicians are always going the extra mile for their supporters, and nothing spells that out more clearly than this video, taken from the Canadian Parliaments discussion into C-11, the current attempt to give Hollywood what they want in Canada.

In it, MP Dean Del Mastro tries to make a comparison for format shifting, and why it’s ‘bad‘, using socks.

“It’s like going to a clothing store and buying a pair of socks and going back and saying by the way it wasn’t socks that I needed, what i really wanted was shoes. So I’m just going take these, I’m gonna format shift from socks to shoes and I’m not gonna pay anything because it was all for my feet,” he says.

Of course he gets it COMPLETELY wrong.

If you wanted to explain format shifting using socks accurately, you’d do something more along the lines of:

Say you bought a pair of socks, and took them home. But then your hands are cold not your feet. Format shifting would mean you could use the socks elsewhere, and for the same purpose – to keep an extremity warm – by putting them on your hands.

Del Mastro’s comparison is so ludicrous though, that other MP’s are quick to laugh, we can only hope AT him.

Not that is new territory for his party either, as Conservative colleague James Moore has made countless poorly informed statements when talking on copyright bills, such as calling all opponents of C-32 (c-11′s predecessor) ‘radical extremists‘.

**CORRECTION** An earlier version of this story identified the speaker as James Moore, when it was actually Dean del Mastro. We apologize for the mistake.

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  • Jakedaynes

    I really hope that one of the Pirate Party candidates beats him. This alone should make people question his competency ….

    • Canadian Pirate

       Sorry, no Pirate Party in Canada.

      At least… not yet.

      Canadian so-called democracy doesn’t have room for little parties.

      • Bridgeman

         https://www.pirateparty.ca/

      • Anonymous

        Slight problem you have there, is that you’re talking to the former head of the Canadian Pirate Party, and in another piece today, we talk about a project run by the current deputy head…. 
        http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-domains-now-available-through-opennic-120515/

        • Anon

          Ahhhh Ben……. you showed him the holes in his socks : )

        • JohnGuy

           That is great!

      • Cheeseeater

        Canada DOES have a Pirate Party. http://www.pirateparty.ca

        • Andrew Lee

          Nuuu I can’t go to Canada I’m a felon :( 

  • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

    The Canadian Conservatives are on a dangerous path of Americanization of Canadian politics. James Moore isn’t for promoting Canadian heritage, he is trying to destroy it.

    • Justin

      That’s why we have nicknames such as Amercia Jr. and America Lite.

  • Guest32

    Can’t expect more from a politician.

  • http://www.flora.ca Russell McOrmond

    It was Dean Del Mastro that made this idiotic analogy. Of course, maybe he would want to make colour-shifting socks with a dye illegal in Canada in order to protect the sock-making industry from citizens actually using what they own in “unauthorized” ways.

    You want another colour, or have a hole in them and know how to darn, want to make sock puppets: sorry — you aren’t authorized to do that!

    • Anonymous

      It was? my bad. I tried to check who it was, and they do look alike. I did try and check with some canadian contacts who it was, and they thought it was Moore. Again, Sorry for the confusion. I’ll update the piece now.

      • http://www.flora.ca Russell McOrmond

        Mr Del Mastro was a member of both the C-32 and C-11 committees, and since I sat in on nearly all the meetings I saw him quite a bit. There was a core of us that was there for most of the meetings, but that didn’t include a majority of MPs who changed over time.

        I’ve never met James Moore who even blocks me on twitter, so the two of them are quite different to me :-)   Mr. Del Mastro even said “Hi” a few times, knowing who I was and why I was in committee.   Not the most friendly MP I’ve met, but not the worst.

    • Last Laugh

      What?….is this guy for real…you mean its illegal to make shoes out of socks now…i went and bought leather and rubber soles just for this purpose and now Im not allowed to format shift my socks…

      Incidentially this pollie looks like hes had a few burgers in his time…I hope he doesnt pick out the pickles…format shifting a burger with pickles to a burger without pickles is illegal right?

      • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

         I was thinking: Has he bought the right to format-shift all those burgers into body-fat? He should check the tiny writing on the menu before he eats more of them.

        Also, is he sure the burger place has paid for the right to format-shift potatoes into french fries? I mean, perhaps the farmer never intended his potatoes to be used for that. If so, then he’s been an accomplice to some massive fraud, if he ordered fries with his burgers.

    • Our socks need freedom!!!

       And as the last knife to the groin to the teenager, tube socks are not allowed to be substitute girl friends………

      • Guest

        Great! Now I have to go under the bed and get all of the cum-encrusted socks I’ve left there.

    • http://twitter.com/erikqj Erik Q.J.

       Exactly what I thought: Coloring the socks at home would be the appropriate analogy. I suggest a raid of his home, to search for illegally color-shifted objects. Walls, furniture, clothes, paper… Hope he doesn’t have kids, or at least that his kids don’t have crayons; that could result in some hard prison time for the good representative.

  • http://www.twitter.com/echoman74 echoman

    What he needs is a diet plan. The whole time he was speaking I’m thinking Mcdonalds.

  • Anonymous

    Please let someone rape and murder his family..

  • Canadian3

    You really should have included how Vic Toews recently said that all Canadian citizens either support his online surveillance bill or they support pedophiles. Very interesting arguments, coming from these swine.

  • Phil Landry

    Oh my god, and we’re stuck with them until 2015….

  • Guest

    Polititians are morons.

  • TROLOL

    This guy needs to quit his job. What a fucking moron and a paid-off corporate whore. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

     Another more correct sock analogy would be that you go out and buy a pack of white socks.

    For whatever reason , they go out of fashio or dont match your new clothes so you do a bit of home dying and change their colour to red.

    You then decied that you like loud coloured socks and so go out and buy packs of yellow and packs of blue socks.

    The sock manufacturer should be happy wit’  this increase in sock sales yet detects sales of red socks appears to be down  but notices red sock dye is on special offer.

    Rather than being happy with his increased sales of blue/yellow (and even white ) socks, he wastes his increased profits on a ‘Home Dying is killing the sock industry’ campaign. He lobbies politicians claiming home dying has caused thousands of job losses of workers making red socks (failing to state most were moved to make other colors).

    He tries to get parliament to impose a red fabric dye tax and gets his way in some countries, others realise red fabric dye has many uses other than dying socks and so refuse.

    In these countries, rather than give up, he takes the dye shop to court demanding the identities of all those buying red dye and starts harassing the shops customers with legal threats even though he has no proof why the dye was purchased.

    This backfires on the sock manufacturer as red dye purchasers irrespective of wether they used it to dye socks or not, just stop buying socks and now wear sandles instead.

    The sock manufacturers sales collapseall because he tried to dictate what people could do with items they already own

    • Sockage or death…

       Tube socks are killing the marriage industry……amongst teenagers anyway.

    • Sockage or death…

       Tube socks are killing the marriage industry……amongst teenagers anyway.

  • Mr. MoneySuit Monacle

    He should be shot in the face.
    When there is no accountability, they give us no other option…
    Someone be a hero and blast a hole in him

    • Anon

      don’t be a dick.
      inciting that (if even for a joke) is not fucking good.
       
      You weaken our position by making us look like ***********

      Flagged

      • DutchGuest

        Mr. MoneySuit Monacle actually has a point; these people cannot be reasoned with, as they are so deep in corporate pockets that there is no way to make them see reason…
        What else is there to get these scumbags out of office ?
        Public protests ?

        As Rick Falkvinge already suggested recently, it is starting to look more and more like we are going to have to take an example from the four boxes of liberty meme, and since we’re exponentially exhausting the options with the first three boxes, what else is there to do than to resort back to taking one’s liberties back by the fourth (ammo) box  ?

        • Gossip

          he poorly expressed it.

          inciting what he did ,is not helping.

    • Rhrough

      Anon  is Right.Money Suit Monacle’s comment is definitely not the way to go. It’s not funny either. Debate is one of the fundamentals of our Democracy. Encouraging Murder is disgusting no matter one’s politics. Revolting. Get out and vote/volunteer/get educated’/do something. I can’t stand Canada’s current government, but making threats on the internet against politicians is pathetic, and weakens our Democracy. 

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    Wait, Canadian Parliaments gets its members by picking some dumb random peoples from the streets? Cause it’s kinda looks this way to me atm.

  • townie2

    what pisses me off is that cable companies have been using DVR’s for recording and time shifting for years, and that is illegal, but you don’t see this big business government forcing them to stop, it’s much easier to go after a 13 year old kid who downloads a song for his ipod. this government is more like a dictatorship than a democracy, they will push through anything, no matter how many people complain or sign petitions.

  • Anon

    Everything is legal until your caught.

  • Boom

    twitter for this fool @mpdeandelmastro:twitter 

    • JohnGuy

       Email him too! delmad@parl.gc.ca    Tell him what we think and think of all the CONServatives

  • :D

    You Canucks realize that we [the USA] own you and have so for the past many years?

    • Boom

      Yes, this is a sad truth that many Canadians are ignorant about.

      For some reason they think the Government wont allow it, but when was the last time the Government did something the benefit the whole?

      • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

         It’s true. If Vic Toews hadn’t been so retarded as to call everyone in favour of personal privacy a kiddy diddler, nobody would have resisted the recent surveillance law at all.

    • Boom

      They even bent over and accepted ACTA without so much as a squeak

    • Chattering Class

      And China owns the USA.

  • Finndo101

    A better analogy would be that it is like buying yogurt from somewhere that sells real yogurt and using it to culture more yogurt that is the same in every detail from the one you bought (there as places in NYC that sell hundred year old yogurt strains, and they are awesome).

  • Anonymous

    let me break this BS down – you bought something ,you own it,you now have the ability via your home PC to change the format to use it on something else you bought and paid for, the problem stems from the fact no corporation can make a single fucking dollar on the conversion 

  • http://excelsior-station.wikidot.com Sarge Misfit

    For every three words out of a politician’s mouth, four are lies and one’s an empty promise.

  • FuzzyDuck

    If only his dad had format shifted a sock instead of his mom.

  • Cheeseeater@shaw.ca

    OMG. This guy is an EMBARRASSMENT to the country of my birth. Canadian LAW specifically ALLOWS me to ‘format shift’. Cassette tapes, and later on CDs, are specially taxed to allow this. This tax money is then to be distributed to recording artists to compensate for what is termed as ‘Private Home Copying’. P2P sharing was deemed LEGAL by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2005, so it is my belief as a tax paying and voting Canadian Citizen that Parliament should tell the US interests to FUCK OFF.

    Parliament is supposed to represent me and my rights, but since they don’t in this case, LET ME E CLEAR – the MPAA, et al, CAN AND SHOULD FUCK OFF IN THE INTERNAL MATTERS OF CANADA. You don’t want our oil? Guess what? We don’t want your Politics.

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

       It’s true that p2p sharing of music files was deemed legal in Canada for a brief period between 2004/2005, but that decision was set aside under appeal and that judge had his willy slapped for making such broad judgements. Though Canadian law does allow for private copying onto any medium (including computers; though no tariff is collected for MP3 players or PCs, the law nonetheless covers them), any other media is not considered a legal copy, and in fact there are no laws governing p2p downloads of music in Canada at all. it might be allowed, it might not.

      It’s interesting to note that the RCMP, Canada’s police, said in 2007 that they basically do not give a shit about filesharing. They advised they wouldn’t prosecute anyone using or related to demonoid (though they still moved to the ukraine) and that the only copyright infringements they would investigate would be medical or electrical appliances, those standing to actually harm consumers.

      So that’s something at least.

      But then again, they also ran over some guy camming a film with their car, and camming isn’t even illegal in Canada.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zack-Nelson/1287355169 Zack Nelson

    The comparison is COMPLETELY wrong because it talks about two completely different things.

    Data can be manipulated, and is replicable.

    Socks, or any physical product cannot (as easily).

  • http://www.facebook.com/ravifelicity Ravi Shankar

    not sure if it has already been mentioned but there is a small typo in the article:’

    Liquid *it* contains’

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  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    I wonder what he thinks of using high quality ink-jet printers or laser printers to.. well, print photos. Or better, I wonder what he thinks of using bluetooth  instead of a physical cable to play your favorite songs. Oh and using an electric oven to roast a turkey instead of gas!

    No srsly… I thought there was a limit to stupidity. Or should we say corruption? I’m always amazed at how the bought politicians can say the most absurd things with a straight face.

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  • JohnGuy

    “The Dictator’ Sacha Baron Cohen commends Stephen Harper for silencing media”

    “If there was ever an argument against democracy, it is
    Stephen Harper,” said ’The Dictator’ General Aladeen (a fictional
    character played by UK comedian Sacha Baron Cohen) in a predictably
    bizarre interview with CBC’s The Hour host George Stroumboulopoulos.
    “I mean, what sort of man is he? He’s only got one wife. And he’s got one stylist…you know he has his wigs done in Wadiya.”
    The dictator of the fictional country of Wadiya gave kudos to Prime Minister Stephen Harper for his stance on press freedom. 
    “I commend your leaders on silencing your media. For the last 10 years, I have not even heard a single
    noteworthy event happening in Canada. The people in Wadiya, they are
    very similar to you Canadians. Their greatest strength is sitting
    quietly, politely obeying without quetion.” 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yGd0ynuAUME

    LOL

  • # Nick

    I feel raped right now, I voted for the conservative party in last may.

    I thought I wouldn’t promote these kind of idiots, but I was wrong.

    I will fucking never vote for this stupid party, I regret it.

    I hope there is going to be a candidate in my area for pirate party….or I should present myself :D!!!

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

       There aren’t enough Pirate Parties in Canadian constituencies at all. If you’re genuinely interested, try contacting Andrew “K’Tetch” Norton (politicsp2p(AT)ktetch.co.uk) or Travis McCrea (travis.mccrea(AT)http://pp-international.net). I wasn’t able to take part in the last municipal election because I couldn’t justify voting for any of them and I missed having a pirate party.

  • Fin

    I prefer a theoretical trouser analogy.

    A clothes manufactures sells trousers.

    You find a pair you really want and buy them.

    They don’t fit you probably so you modify them to fit as the manufacturer only sells them in 2 sizes.

    People ask you how you did it, you tell them.

    You have a friend with an interview coming up, you let them use them.

    The only issue digitial media throughs up is that its possible for more than one person to have the modified media, kind of like there being more than one pair of modified trousers, so what we have to decide as a society is how we handle this new issue.

    The copyright guys have made there stance clear, they won’t adapt. What lacking is a proper canvasing of peoples opninions so that society can make an informed decision.

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  • uhhh

    These people seem to be under the impression that they can just write down some words on a piece of paper, and I’m gonna not copy a song from a CD I bought to my Ipod. They are batshit crazy. Nothing they say or do will stop me. I don’t depend on their permission. If they pass this, and people actually listenend, people would just skip the “buying the CD” part and just go to an online music store. Not to mention all the people who get it for free anyway. 

    • http://gene-poole.tumblr.com Gene Poole

       What the politicians don’t seem to understand is it’s all a moot point. Technology is progressing, and it will never get any harder than this to do what we’re doing. converting file types, downloading torrents, copying media from one place to another, this is the hardest it gets from here on out.

      They can legislate all they want, it’s not going to change the way we act, because they ~can’t~ stop us from doing what we want. It didn’t work prior to the french revolution, when people were being killed for infringing on the monopoly, and it won’t work now.

  • Anonymous

     http://bit.ly/KpDKUP

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