IFPI Takes ISP to Court to Impose Music Piracy Filter
Written by enigmax on March 10, 2008The ‘Big Four’ record labels - EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner have started legal proceedings to force an ISP to end piracy on its network. The action, brought against Irish ISP, Eircom, is the first of its kind.
Eircom is the largest Irish ISP. Today, the Big Four record labels have started legal proceedings which they hope will force Eircom to effectively end music piracy on its network. According to the Ireland.com report, this action is the first against an ISP, rather than individual file-sharers.
Mr Justice Peter Kelly today admitted the proceedings at the court under the Copyright and Related Rights Acts 2000. It appears the labels are trying to get an order to effectively force Eircom to take responsibility for their customer’s actions by saying that it’s the ISP that is doing the ‘making available’ to the public, by facilitating the infringement.
Eircom’s lawyers see if differently. They say that Eircom was “not on notice of specific illegal activity that infringed the rights of the companies”, adding that it was under no legal obligation to monitor traffic on its network.
Willie Kavanagh, Managing Director of EMI records in Ireland said of Eircom: “with the greatest of respect” it was “well aware” that its customers used its networks to infringe copyrights “on a grand scale”.
Previously, Eircom has refused to use any filtering technology to interfere with file-sharers, something the labels wish to address in this case too.
It looks like the IFPI has shifted its focus from the individual filesharer to the ISPs. Last month, the IFPI won a court case in Denmark, and the ISP “Tele2″ was ordered to block all access to The Pirate Bay. Tele2 announced later that it will fight the decision.
Banning illegal filesharing from their network, voluntary or not, is in the best interest of ISPs according to the IFPI: “Illegal P2P file-sharing may have helped drive broadband subscriptions in the past, yet today these activities, particularly in respect of movies, are hogging bandwidth,” they state.
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“Illegal P2P file-sharing may have helped drive broadband subscriptions in the past, yet today these activities, particularly in respect of movies, are hogging bandwidth,”
It’s actually the other way around. Because it is hogging bandwidth people take more expensive subscriptions.
And what’s wrong with using bandwidth that is given to you?
Maybe just maybe, this could be a good thing!!Once the other countries see for themselves that it is indeed legally futile to try and censor the internet then every ISP will stop trying. And this wanker is talking about bandwidth hogging. If the ISP’s and other third-party companies start to censor everything then theres where the bandwidth hogging will start.
Hogging bandwidth for that internet connection of mine that I pay for every month. Silly me eh!!
give me sharing, or give me death
dude, someone have to stop these guys, how come should a anti piracy company rule the internet. this is getting out of hand.
This is total bs. Now anti-piracy companies are trying to control the internet? Give me a break…
First of all, if all ISPs ban pirate sites in my country, i will disconnect my internet.
I have nothing to do with internet.
Just checking my E-mails & reading news ? Fuck it.
i ain’t giving 50$ for checking my E-Mail.
News = TV always free !
E-mail, maybe i check my email once a week from a net-cafe
and it’s impossible to monitor over 2million customer, LoL
IFPI Bunch of donkeys.
let me check my IQ, what IFPI stands for :)
hmmmmm….
IFPI = International Fools Playing on Internet. hmmm Not bad :)
Why can’t the record companies just use this technology to embrace the future and make it easier for them to sell music.
Fuck IFPI. It’s as simple as that, and I’d usually not use profanity.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO!!!!!!!
as an eircom customer i was happy knowing p2p lawsuits have never being held in Ireland. This is really dangerous now, as the judge will probably not be up-to-date with any of this. And therefore, will most likely believe all this yarrr-harrr piracy bullshit from the IFPI.
Fuck it, this is SHITE! Do these people have an irish office! (to graffiti and abuse!?!)
PPI Ireland http://www.ppiltd.com
I CAN HAS LAWSUIT?!?
You can has lawsuit but you cannot has win.
[quote] “Illegal P2P file-sharing may have helped drive broadband subscriptions in the past, yet today these activities, particularly in respect of movies, are hogging bandwidth,” they state.[/quote]
I call it complete and utter BULLSHIT. There should be no way on earth to slow down provider network, and if there is that means that ISP are lazy fucks who don`t upgrade their networks to modern standarts.
Story with lawsuits reminds me time when people got first VHS recorders.
This hogging bandwidth argument is a load of shit. ISP’s shouldn’t offer so many high speed connections if they cannot afford the bandwidth.
Don’t blame the consumer for using what they paid for.
IFPI talks about hogging bandwidth, but i’m sure they wouldn’t mention it if there was a paid service sponsored by them
Organized crime gangs such as IFPI and RIAA need to be stopped.
[quote comment="308639"]ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO!!!!!!!
as an eircom customer i was happy knowing p2p lawsuits have never being held in Ireland. This is really dangerous now, as the judge will probably not be up-to-date with any of this. And therefore, will most likely believe all this yarrr-harrr piracy bullshit from the IFPI.
Fuck it, this is SHITE! Do these people have an irish office! (to graffiti and abuse!?!)[/quote]
i hope u boycott them, i really hope you change ur isp if this happen. fuck ifpi
I’m in Ireland aswell and can’t help but wonder what difference it will make whatever way it goes. If the ISP’s are found against how will they implement it. I know the obvious is throttle P2P ports and so on but that implies all traffic on P2P involves copyrighted material. Unless you are downloading from a silly website the direct links to the material, the website itself would be shut down by the overpaid security groups that like to send threatening emails to the likes of the Pirate Bay.
The reps of the organisations are pumping out such crap in the media here that non-tech people are going to be for it let alone a crusty old judge.
I find this stupid, as always. ISP’s are really “doors” to the internet. That what they really are. It isn’t the business of these companies to dictate what we can and cannot do with the internet connection they WE are paying for.
WE decide what we want in and out the doors.
And hogging bandwidth, what the hell? The argument will be useless in a few years/months because bandwidth is getting wider all the time. Cheaper too. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of torrent users on my ISP and I have NOT experienced any slowdown.
The internet is always expanding and bandwidth hogging will and already has been a dead argument.
ISP’s should also upgrade their data centres if they want to keep their customers happy; they have to make sure that they can afford the upgrades before expanding.
what’s next?
That’s like saying that cell phone companies are responsible for drug deals organized using phones.
Fucking idiots. It’s the police that should moniter illegal activity on the internet not isp companies, next they’ll be sueing shopkeepers for selling water to people without valid visas! The worlds gone insane, companies make money, police enforce laws, thats it, they’re completely seperate jobs.
Fuck the IFPI
[quote comment="308637"]Why can’t the record companies just use this technology to embrace the future and make it easier for them to sell music.[/quote]
because, they are dumb fucks who live under a gold-plated rock. They made billions doing the exact same crap over and over again during the 90s and early 2000. They feel as if they have no obligation to change with the times…
let them parish…I say
Wow. I honestly thought U guys were smarter than this. They can’t filter anything. Nothing. Nada.
Why?? I’ll tell U.
Let’s take an aXXo movie as an example, I need one, and this is easy.
The Mist[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo
Rename file to something like: TM07, or what ever.
Archive to separate .rar files.
Stick all .rar files in one folder.
Archive again.
Rename file to: Misty07, or what ever.
Congratulations, U have now succesfully pybassed their filter.
It’s not that hard guys, use that little grey mass once in a while and everything will be just fine.
~_^
So if an ISP is responsible for what their customers use the internet for, I guess a gun shop owner is responsible for any murders done with a gun they sold, or the CD store owner is responsible for any copyright infringement from their CDs. And I guess it’s the store keepers fault for any shoplifters for making their products available to be bought and used?
If every pirate admitted to piracy under oath they would have to let us go, what can they do, arrest us all and put us in jail? There aren’t enough jails for that. Sue us all till we’re all homeless, then the government has no taxes because businesses shouldn’t get taxed. And if only a relatively few people are arrested then it’s unfair punishment for those who were sent home without jail time. Might end it all sooner, or cause a global revolt, which would be just as good.
Ban the access to a website that doesnt host any illegal content, only connection protocols?
Whats next? Block all outgoing and incoming connection from theyr users? lmfao they want us to pay for having a modem that gives a dead signal? They are fighting a lost war, give it a rest already, start with the world peace and only then go to the piracy.
I’m going to downgrade my bandwidth if my ISP is forced to block bittorrent access and torrent sites.
I am not paying lot’s of money to check my e-mail and read online news.
This might be the end of several ISPs if they have to block torrent traffic.
arrrghhhhhh
atlantic piracy arrrghhhhhh
fuck me parrot arrrghhhhh
i be a pirate arrrghhhh
Blank @ 22 has it right, kudos
on another topic, economic appropiration of value is the key
look at Microshit, they appropriated the pc revolution by selling pieces of paper called licenses … nothing more than ‘taxation’
the traditional published media (CD’s) feed chain is apparent …
1. the artists >> get fuck all from CD’s
2. the manager/agent >> gets 10%
3. the producers >> get 85% (Richard Branson’s orignall Virgin contract upon which the industry is founded)
fuk me backwards over Kate Moss! 85% is gooooooooood (better than gold or blood diamonds) gimme more gimme gimme
TODAY the traditional feed chain is in crisis BUT they have SUPER RICH backers with FREE CASH to fight. god only knows why people are so fukin STOOPID
great article right on tune
Today they might wanna filter out file sharing, but tomorrow, whats to stop them from filtering other things? Maybe they will censor things they don’t like. Maybe the United States and all of Europe will be forced to install censoring software like china.
People of Ireland: tell your government you wont have a bunch of corporations telling you what to do. And if this does pass, do everything you can to bypass those filters.
[quote comment="308707"]That’s like saying that cell phone companies are responsible for drug deals organized using phones.[/quote]
hahah so true
[quote comment="308776"][quote comment="308707"]That’s like saying that cell phone companies are responsible for drug deals organized using phones.[/quote]
hahah so true[/quote]
Well put
another way of bypassing is using the OpenDNS servers?
[quote comment="308639"]ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO!!!!!!!
as an eircom customer i was happy knowing p2p lawsuits have never being held in Ireland. This is really dangerous now, as the judge will probably not be up-to-date with any of this. And therefore, will most likely believe all this yarrr-harrr piracy bullshit from the IFPI.
Fuck it, this is SHITE! Do these people have an irish office! (to graffiti and abuse!?!)[/quote]
Feck. I’m with UTV, and they’ll probably follow suit, no matter the judgement.
And here was I thinking they wouldn’t bother with Ireland.
IFPI: Net… Neutrality? What’s that?
Let’s forget a few aged lawsuits whose outcome generally established that the producer of a technology or network can be held accountable for the actions of its users.
Technically it should be easier to sue a gun company before an ISP, yet some whiny assed fat motherfucking label gets all up in arms that they’re not balls deep in every customer’s ass with exorbitant profits from selling cookie cutter albums. You know what? If I couldn’t download any media, I definitely wouldn’t buy it either. Better for the artist to be heard instead of spurned because of overpriced material.
Let’s not forget the whole encryption issue.
If your ISP becomes responsible people will simply start encrypting traffic. Even if only 25% of file-sharers remain and encrypt their traffic, that is still a lot of new people joining the darkness that is encrypted traffic on the internet, making it further harder to catch other forms of criminality, either online or that uses the internet to communicate (Child pornography comes to mind, terrorism, ect).
Warning: Fascists looming. Fuck you EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner Co.
“Illegal P2P file-sharing may have helped drive broadband subscriptions in the past, yet today these activities, particularly in respect of movies, are hogging bandwidth,”
what?, internet it self can be called a file sharing protocol, it shares infomation, as in if you cant go one route it will find another, if it lost some on the way it will recover them
read up on TCP and IP protocols ^^
no filesharing = no internet
so easy is it to explain
[quote comment="308707"]That’s like saying that cell phone companies are responsible for drug deals organized using phones.[/quote]
lmao.
If i dont get to share files. I dont need that high speed internet. I will gladly use a basic plan for emails and watching random videos here and there :-)
Screw IFPI!…
LOLS, if i cant download, i wont need an internet connection at all. I’ll just use my phone for reading news and email.
All ISP’s will go broke, is that what they want? Come one, the internet is not something you can regulate, you are supposed to have the free right on the internet to do you what you want.
Big four, grow up! You still have your billions, use it to sell your music in an apprioriate way! You’ll see your customers crawling back to you cause everyone loves music.
“Banning illegal filesharing from their network, voluntary or not, is in the best interest of ISPs according to the IFPI…. ”
HAHAHAH!
That’s the biggest truckload of bullshit I’ve heard in quite some time.
To ban “illegal” filesharing would entail keeping some ungodly profile database of every known file on P2P, and constantly monitoring gigabytes upon gigabytes of net traffic in real time, something which is not even CLOSE to economically feasible.
The only other option is to attempt to block P2P entirely. To see how well that works, just take a gander at Comcast & Sandvine as they float up Shit Creek without a paddle.
Either way, an ISP stands to lose subscribers. For Eircom to bow to the IFPI is tantamount to financial suicide.
I’ll tell what’s truly in the best business interests of ISPs, and that’s to fight the IFPI Crime Syndicate every time it rears its ugly head and demands, “be my slave”.
@36
Exfuckingactly
And like the Pirate Bay said, if they block our website, they should block google.
Cos’ I can find what I need there too.
It seems to me that the IFPI are just trying this to see what happens.
If it passes (big if) then it’ll be interesting to see the ISP’s revenue going down, and the expendature on filtering going up. And then no ISP filtering case will even be considered until the next batshit crazy claim that the IFPI makes (which is what, a week?).
If it doesn’t, and the IFPI are brutally slaughtered, then they’ll try again on another country. Probably European.
thenotsojollyroger is an eircom customer.
what the fuck!!!!!!
i am freaked.
the heads of authority/voting public in eire are the worst sheeple around.
eircom have THE monopoly on isp’s here and the only other contenders are DIGIWEB AND PERLICO!!!!!!
can you believe this shit???
THE GOVERNMENT HAVE shares IN EIRCOM LIKE THEY DID AER LINGUS.
IM IN SHANNON!!!
I AM DIGUSTED.
THE GOVERNMENT WONT CARE ABOUT THE INTERESTS OF CONSUMERS/VOTERS.
THERE WAS NEVER EVEN A VOTE ON THE CANNABIS LAWS.
IT WAS NEVER AN AGENDA.
OUR ‘ELECTORATE’ JUST BOWED OUT LIKE A CUNT.
I FEEL SHITTY JUST BY ASSOCIATION.
EIRCOM SHOULD QUESTION THE CASE IE. WHY ARE THEY THE ONLY {TELE2 ASIDE}
ISP FOR THIS?
BECAUSE EIRE’S VOTERS ARE OLD ALCOHOLICS.
IFPI: (to judge) Do you want a nice cup of tea whilst you consider our case against ISP’s?
Judge: That would be inappropriate…wait a minute…whats this envelope stuffed with money doing in the cup?
IFPI: Ah g’wan.
Judge: NO!
IFPI: Ah G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN, G’WAN,G’WAN,G’WAN!
Judge: FECK OFF! ARSE!!
Seriously though…its funny how the IFPI are suddenly doing this just after EMI negotiates a lower fee for services… maybe the PR peeps @ IFPI are putting a portfolio together so they can represent (rip-off) the movie industry too?
Chillaxe peeps! It’s against the interests of the ISP’s to get involved with their customers internets! No matter what happens in the courts…big business will find a way to offer what we want (at the price they want to charge!).
Yay capitalism!
RIAA made IFPI so horny that they need to act like idiots aswell?
HHAAA, good oul eircom, I cant see it being an issue really, but it is ireland and well to be honest this is a mad oul place where only stupid stuff happens, if I were to list the amount of fuck up in this country it would take bleedin ages. Although I cant see the IFPI getting anywhere with this just not a feasable claim to monitor all P2P traffic, wont happen.
I sent a bit of abuse to the cunts there just to make me feel better, worked well.
Either way it wont stop me using p2p, nobody will!!
I can’t see this going anywhere productive, but if they could manage to filter copyrighted material, it would mean virtually everything and who’s to say who is or isn’t entitled to what? There is a lot of copyright free material on share and for download on sites such as Jamendo, but likely it would all get filtered out as well. If any filtering occurs however, ISPs will lose customers in droves. That’s not what they want, and if it happens, well, I’ve got more music than I could ever listen to, and I might get a life outside the Internet. Physically sharing, trading and selling would likely become common. All the criminals will also be back on the street. Is that what everyone wants?
come on guys! pay for your music. Send a donation to Eircom!
Net innovators will always be one step ahead. Whatever they introduce we will find a way round it to get the music and films we want. It will be impossible for them to monitor vast amounts of data being downloaded if the content of the data is in anyway disguised.
Also, whilst we’re on the subject, I’m sick of record label and film companies equating estimates of pirate downloads with lost revenue. That’s absurd. People download far more than they would ever (or could afford to ever) legally buy.
The only way forward is unlimited DRM free content downloadable whenever you want it for a monthly subscription. That is what will happen once the companies wake up to the fact their business model of selling digital content is unsustainable when digital content can so easily be distributed online.
Come to think of it I could go into the music business, and we all could. We could become real pirates like them. All we need is a license like they got to make it all nice and ‘legal’. If you deal in commercial CDs there’s a good source to copy from too. Lets all open CD stores, second hand or work from home. Great fun and could be profitable.
[quote comment="309075"]come on guys! pay for your music. Send a donation to Eircom![/quote]
Send ME your donations. I need it more!
oi,bilko,
better still,u can open up a pirate
stall,download and burn all the latest
movie and sell them on the street,cheap.
tell me about it when u got busted,how it’s like to be arrested for selling pirated dvd in your country.
and what happened to the IRA ?
didnt see them in news for quiet a while…
Listening to ifpi, we can develop their theory to other industries:
Shouldn’t private cars be illegal ? I never charge a friend when I drive him somewhere, or when I shop for my parents and transport their goods. Am I a road pirate ? If I buy a faster car, I’ll even overcome more those transportation or cabs companies !!! I am a danger for the whole Road Economy !
So, I can’t wait to see transportation companies go to court, demanding people to remove their cars from the streets !
Did I mention that traffic jams slow down exchanges ?
IFPI or how to use ridiculous sophisms.
What the RIAA and the MPAA don’t want to realize is that the reason for piracy is that there has been no good music or artist’s out for some time. Just artists trying to copy each other and rip off each others songs and beats. music sales have plummeted because of crappy music, not because of piracy. Remember the days of recording your favorite songs on the radio to a cassette tape and listening to them or giving it to your friends? There is no difference.
As for the MPAA, no one wants to sit through a movie where people are rude, talk on cell phones, act like complete idiots, have young kids running around, screaming, laser pointers, and who can forget the 1/2 hour of commercials and previews.
If any ISP tries to block access to any site from my ISP, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Unfortunately in this case, the ISP looses either way.
[quote comment="308756"]I’m going to downgrade my bandwidth if my ISP is forced to block bittorrent access and torrent sites.
I am not paying lot’s of money to check my e-mail and read online news.
This might be the end of several ISPs if they have to block torrent traffic.[/quote]
SAME HERE.
Fuck IFPI! Retards won’t get control over the net.
the bandwith hogging is pure BS. i work for a big (international) ISP that sells bandwith to those that sell end customers. All our customers, and also we, use an estimation and then overbook the cables with all from 50 to 900%.
Unable to steal our freedom all at once they’ve decided to steal it bit by bit. But it will take no less than guns to accomplish this… and then again, if we have to defend our freedom with guns, we will.
i wish i could go back in time and sue Maxell for making blank cassette tapes in the 80s and 90s . . .oh wait a minute, that would be ridiculous . . .. .
[quote comment="308707"]That’s like saying that cell phone companies are responsible for drug deals organized using phones.[/quote]..
THAT’S EXACTLY THE SAME.
+1
I think we all really miss the point here. Sure its not right to pirate software in any way or deprive the artist and developers of thier due credit. However the problem is that these people have classified P2P Technologies as a whole as an acitivty purely associated with software and media piracy. That is not the case, Blocking P2P traffic and torrent traffic exclusively on a tier 1 or 2 provider can remove access to a variety of legal software and services that are regualarly used, if not mission critical components of some economic structures.
Im really scared if they filter stuff im fucked i really hope they dont my life will be ruined if they do im going to spam emi
@ 58:
I had this same thought. Slowly but surely, Americans are losing their freedom to … well be free! The internet is free and should always remain free. I may not live in Ireland but I would be getting in touch with that provider and letting them know exactly what you’d do if they succumbed to the will of the evil 4. I for one would be right there beside you if it came down to “Them are fightin’ words there”.
I strongly believe there will be another civil war in America before my life is over. The governments and law officials have, for too long, controlled it’s citizens with an iron clad fists, eating away at our freedom little by little until finally we all end up in uniforms which are color coded to show our citizen status. Hell I wouldn’t be suprised if they didn’t pull a starship troopers where they made it to where you couldn’t be a ‘citizen’ until you served your country in war. I was declined by our our military(all 4 branches) because of a juvenile record I had. This was all before 9/11.
So now i get solicitations from each branch saying “join the military, fight terrorism”… FUCK YOU! I don’t have terrorism where I live. I also believe that it’s the governments fault we got attacked on 9/11. Them ‘other people’ over in the desert only hate americans because of what our government does! Most of our citizens DO NOT agree with what our government does nor do we condone our presidents actions. /sigh… it’s no use…I give up
This is so fucking ridiculous. Why are these lads taking action against Ireland, a tiny fucking island which the majority consists of countryside, sheep and fields.
All I can say is, I’m happy I’m on BT.
Article 8 of the european human rights convention stands against this.
If this court case is lost another should be launched using this as a base against the Big Media economic terrorists.
I have no idea what the Irish equivalent of the “interception of communications” act is but I,m sure it can be leveraged for use in this case also as voip users would be protected under its descriptive definition.
Dont run and hide folks call “Liberty” in Ireland and get something set up to back Eircomm in their fight, perhaps formulate an “Amicus brief” as the EFF do in the US cases that affect privacy and public rights.
Dont let apathy win.
[quote comment="309410"]
If this court case is lost another should be launched using this as a base against the Big Media economic terrorists.
[quote]
Only *economic* terrorists? You’re going too easy on them. The IFPI, RIAA, and MPAA are *all around* terrorists, by the definition of very the word itself.
[quote comment="309372"]
there will be another civil war in America before my life is over.[/quote]
Heh, no way.
The collective American people are in too deep of a coma for anything like that to ever happen. The fact that there aren’t mass protests rioting in the streets, demanding the abolishment of the Electoral College, is proof alone that most Americans would rather sit on their asses watching the latest “reality” TV bullshit and reading tabloids, then even think about faulting their own government. For anything.
The closest you’re ever - EVER - gonna see to a second civil war, is minor paradigm shifts in the status quo.
The same holds true for every First World country, and essentially most Second World countries, too, I’d say.
Customers hogging bandwidth? What a moron, those same customers PAY to use that bandwidth! That gives a customer the legal right to use that bandwidth, and anything done through that bandwidth is the customer’s own responsibility.
It’s sad to see that the IFPI try to censor the internet, simply because they are UNABLE to adapt their own business-model to a dynamic and changing world.
Congratelations IFPI, Himmler would’ve been proud…
” ‘Illegal P2P file-sharing may have helped drive broadband subscriptions in the past, yet today these activities, particularly in respect of movies, are hogging bandwidth,’ they state.”
The IFPI has no control or membership from film studios, why are they trying to argue this point. Ditto with regards to ISP’s bandwidth. What do they care about how anyone is using their own bandwidth. The IFPI is not in the ISP business or the movie business. Its like asking someone why they are doing carwheels and them answering “because I like ice cream.”
stop children sharing sweets because the other kids didn’t make them.
shoot your mum for making her own illegal cookies, instead of buying ones from wall mart
If IPS ban “pirate” sites in my coutry, i will disconnect my internet! hope IFPI fail.
So they said that piracy has driven broadband sales? So piracy has paid for the advancement of technology.
ITS OFFICIAL!!! They just admitted piracy is a good thing!
Why are the links and stuff here pink!?
Makes me feel kinda funny.
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
look like ifpi smarter than riaa
You guys don’t really get whats going on here, do you?
Do you guys really have any idea how this website can exist in the first place?
Oh, thats rights, it takes MONEY to run a site like this and keep it running over the LONG HAUL!!
Don’t beleave me? Try searching for a torrent, try reading an article, without avoiding contact with ads on the side of every page on the torrent sites, including this one.
Those ads on the side of THIS website are called Goggle Adsense. Basically, everytime someone clicks on the ad, the website owner gets PAID from goggle!! And if its not goggle adsense, most of the torrent websites (Like pirate bay) are charging for adspace, selling there custormer base (which is likely in ages ranging from 13 to 35 or something like that) to potential ad buyers hoping to get more income from custormers like you who download content, illegal and legal.
So yes, it is pirating, not file sharing, because at the end of the day, the website owner is making a profit off the potentialy thousands of visitors that come here everyday to download content!
It would benifit Ernesto and others who run similar sites to tell you guys that its not bad when you download whatever, because it keeps the flow of Business going. But last time I check, I don’t see him breaking his neck to pay the content creators a portion of the goggle check he recieves every month, if wrong, please inform me.
No, I don’t think its right to sue people directly for the file sharing, but I do think if the content providers who are providing the content for free without regulation are making money from it somehow someway, then someone should get payed. Otherwise, your even WORST than the record company, YOU ARE THE NEW RECORD/MOVIE/BOOK COMPANY, because you bring people in the provide the content, some click on ads, goggle or whoever pays you, and you get to keep ALL the MOLA!! THATS GANGSTA!!
Then you feed the fire by egging people on to justify there downloading and making it seem “cool” to get shit for free, calling it “Human Nature”, making it seem easy and moral, all benefiting you and the torrent site industry (which by the way folks, is an industry as well, because there sites make money selling AD SPaCE). I think its brilliant, but BOGUS as HELL!!
So in a nut shell, you LET PEOPLE, and I repeat, YOU LET PEOPLE put copyrighted material on your server, they download it, word speads, more people come to your site, you get high rankings in goggle meaning even MORE people come to your site, which means even MORE people to click/or use to sell ad space to other folks. And in the end, you make some MOLA!! NICE!!!
But how much money does the content provider get???? I REST MY CASE. I don’t blame people for downloading shit. I blame cats like you for contributing for calling out and promoting the greed of the BIG WIGS when, with a little thinking, I see your in this for the money too. And really, I don’t blame the RIAA for doing what there doing, because all you guys are really doing is fighting over the potential future income the intellectual content could bring, except the record/movie/publishers/ARITSTS want to make money directly, and you want to make money PASSIVELY!! Wanna prove me wrong? Take down the ADS, then we can consider it sharing and not Stealing!! Up for the challange?? ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!! Please prove me wrong??
@The real talk
Thought it might be worth mentioning at this point, that this is a P2P news website without any downloadable content at all…
But nice rant anyway.
OK Kye, my bad!! Ernesto, my bad as well. I will keep my stance on the pirate bay and other p2p sites I’ve seen ads on, I just think it would be fair that if a p2p host content that was created by any artist AND is making passive income from the traffic, then there should be some type of compensation distributed to the art creators!! About the sharing: if NO Ones gaining any compensation in the matter, then hey, can’t argue with that. But if someone is getting paid passively, then I can’t see the logic in that stance at all!! If the content wasn’t there, the websites wouldn’t be up!
Digital Rights Ireland have a nice article to read:
http://www.digitalrights.ie/2008/03/11/irma-v-eircom-why-isp-filtering-for-the-music-industry-is-a-bad-idea/
@74 the real talk
The horse has bolted. Too late to lock the stable door. Right or wrong, copyrighted files are being shared. Asking the millions of file sharers to stop isn’t going to achieve anything. The internet is heralding a revolution. From music, films, blogs etc., the whole media landscape is undergoing an unpredictable seismic shift. Can anyone accurately predict the outcome?
Regards.
I take it you would be more than happy with my own site then The real talk, not a single advertisement or donate here button.
We run at a loss on purpose so that when folks like yourself fly out to attack filesharing I can take a place also on the moaral highground, now as equals in routing out greed can you show me your site if you have one or in fact anything you do online for free to help others ?
The reason I,m asking this is simply because I didnt notice your posts of protest when the artists and songwriters where getting shafted a short while ago, why could this be ?
Could it be you have an agenda of your own ?
Quartz, I don’t run any sites on my own whatsoeva!! I’ve tried to make a little money on the web, but I’ve never ran a website before in my life!
I apprecieate you truly sharing what you have through takin a loss from running your site. If your not making any income from it, can’t blame you for what you do than homie!
However, I think you may be in the minority, as most torrent and free download sites I’ve seen have TONS of ads Flying everywhere (like pop-ups and what not). I know there are blogs that pormote stuff for free, but even most of them have a “Donate” button listed either at the top or the side of there pages.
All I’m saying is that if something is truly shared, if the server that is hosting the file is not collecting income (Like paying for faster downloads, Ads, Donation buttons, and the like) then hey, the entertainment industry can’t hold a candle to that, as that proves the the files truly are shared!! But if passive income is made from the traffic that the promise of getting free files brings to the website, than I beleave it is only right that the content creator gets a share of the money, however little that may be.
And to Alan, I hear you dude, LOUD and CLEAR!! And I agree! The internet has made more millionares and at the same time destroyed whole industrys, so there is good with the bad. But be careful when you contribute to the complete destruction of an industry, because with that goes jobs (Even the ones that are passively made from the success of a product, intellectual and hardware!), which means people get poorer, which means more and more people complain about shit being “to high” and justifiing there reason to steal.
Look, I’m not saying people won’t do it anyway when the oppurtunity presents itself. Hell, riots throughout history will tell you that most people had more fun takin shit out the stores when they broke the front door glass. Alot of times it was more about gettin’ shit free than it was about the “cause”, so yeah, human nature is FUCKED UP!! But that is what society is about Alan UK, to provide the structure and stableness to allow people to do what they love, make a profit off of it, and create more jobs in return and helping the economy as a whole! (Excluding govt’ taxation, thats a whole nother’ beast!!)
The rebels in Dufar (I think thats how its spelled, but you know what I mean) Call there cause a “Revolution”, justifying the mass genocide of thousands of people. Yet in the end, it only justifys the destruction of a countrys system for the transference of wealth, meanly the control of diamonds!
The evolution of society and economy has gotton so that EVERYONE in this nation gets a chance to make a living doing what they love, as long as there is a demand for the product and no one gets hurt in the process, that what the american economy is SUPPOSEDLY all about, which is the reason why forigners are still tryin to get into this country now!
I agree the entertainment industry needs to adapt. But I don’t think you guys really want the industry to go down in flames (By industry I mean artist, in whateva way possible, making some type of compensation for there work). Alot of your favorite musicians and even some people in non-musical positions took alot of time and effort to get into the position that there in. They give jobs to the manegers, bus charter services, caterers, recording studios, software providers, music equipment stores, live venue workers, etc.
I hear what your saying: “Who GIVES A FUCK? I Work at Blank-ka-ti-Blank (fill in whateva job you work at) spot, that shit don’t effect me, ADAPT OR DIE, HAHAHAHAH!!!)
Ummm, thats true, for now! But think of it this way, its not like your killing these people off the face of the earth, so there still there when the industry goes down! And guess what? Now there eyeing YOUR JOB, because less jobs create MORE competition for what remains, standards go up, and now your working even harder to KEEP your job that pays you SHIT CHANGE for the work you do anyway!! Adapt or die? That shits gonna be changed to Suffer or Die if you guys keep thinking only of NOW and not the Future. (Not speaking to u alan, just in general!)
whoo, I typed a alot of shit! Kinda hard to make that kind of point in one paragraph!! Forgive me if you were to impatient to read all of that guys, had to get my point across!!
Fair does : )
Many fair points made in your post, I dont agree with all your conclusions perhaps but very nice post all the same, cheers.
To bypass such kind of censorship I’m using VPN service provided by http://strongvpn.com No any bandwidth throttles anymore, while downloading torrents. Sites which were blocked before are accessible now.
Something thiny is here.
Looks like eircom refused to put limiting software on their servers. Good for them.
NO! Really?!
*shiny.
Also, it appears I cocked up the quote tag.
And the link was already mentioned. Wow, I’m being useful today…
Download some excellent photos for wallpapers:
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This is BS. If eircom stoped access to TPB i wouldn’t ever pay dem for the internet ever again. TPB is 110% Legal WTF? there is no law broken until you download a illegal file witch is not even hosted on the fucking pirate bay. How can dey do dis >?
Fat fucking middle men protecting “their” copyrights
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