Comments on: IFPI vs ISP: Piracy Means Less Sex and Drugs for Rock Stars

By: Bobilicious

Bobilicious — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:31:45 +0000

I know some think the ISP's shuoldn't get involved, but I disagree. Stealing music is like stealing anything else so if the ISP's could filter piracy, why not? If we knew there was child porn roaming around and ISP's could filter it all out with a switch, no one would object. Why is it so different when people steal music instead?

By: GianPa

GianPa — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:29:40 +0000

Thank god I don't have Eircom (i'm in ireland).

I hope we can get the 50mb that virgin is promoting in UK…

By: josh.f13

josh.f13 — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:21:46 +0000

So if I make a phone call to a friend and agree to make him a copy of a DVD that week, is the phone company part of the problem? And when I drive to meet him at his house, is the car company I bought the car from and the government whose roads I drove on responsible?

By: Manysounds

Manysounds — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:14:27 +0000

It doesn't matter. You wont be able to buy a copy of music soon anyway. Then you wont be able to download it because it will all be streaming. THEN you won't even own your own computers and storage either. Then the robots take over.

By: dave

dave — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:19:15 +0000

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By:

Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:41:38 +0000

lol wow what do you think somehow im in the wrong?

Oh how the ideas from a person with no perspective to speak of.. think of many strange things.

Come to the top of the ladder with me FLB, you will realize your life means nothing.

By: Roze

Roze — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:19:39 +0000

In any case, this strength in numbers can never come into good effect if these people never come in contact with each other. What needs to be done first is to get in contact with everybody to exchange ideas on what could be done. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could exchange ideas on what could be done.

By: Roze

Roze — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:32:54 +0000

"Society for Sharing"
"Society" to emphasize that it is a semi-organized social group.

My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com and perhaps we could speak to each other on ideas on what could be done.

By: Roze

Roze — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:32:47 +0000

I find the Facebook groups somewhat lackluster, most likely because they are somewhat obscured by being a Facebook group, and so on. I think that a simple online forum could do better. My e-mail address is aworldwithoutsnowflakes1@gmail.com – perhaps we could get in contact to exchange ideas on what could be done.

By: FuncoLand

FuncoLand — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:08:58 +0000

" online social group "

Facebook and Myspace already have a handful of TPB and Pro-Sharing social groups.

~Actions speak louder than words.~

By: FLB

FLB — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:58:48 +0000

"This would be a socialist group as you said."
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fixed.

By: Anonymouz

Anonymouz — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:02:22 +0000

Someone should set up a online forum, a message board to share these ideas. This would be the social group as you said. There are going to be bandwidth costs for such a site, but I'm sure a donation meter or something to that effect could cover it if the operating cost were presented outright to the users and visitors to the site. Now…we just need a catchy name… lol i leave that up to you ….

By: FLB

FLB — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:20:07 +0000

i would advise against that WTF as roze doesn't appear to have any ability whatsoever in crafting websites. the one he sometimes links to looks like an 8th grade effort…at best.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:45:58 +0000

The first step towards "Strength In Numbers" is for these people to get in contact with each other. After all, nothing gets done if there is no exchange of ideas, no pooling of resources (like money, power, and "voice"). Perhaps it could start by forming a simple online social group for the exchange of ideas on how to effect change, like an online forum or something. Perhaps you and I could get in contact sometime for this.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:33:34 +0000

Yeah, I guess it is communist to deny that Rock Stars making $20 million each month are going to starve and deserve the drugs and sex that they are denied when people file-share.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:33:05 +0000

Yeah, I guess it is communist to deny that Rock Stars making $20 million each month are going to starve and aren't going to get the drugs and sex that they deserve if people file-share.

By: WTF

WTF — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:26:16 +0000

Why the Fuck is everyone talking about Alienating Eircom?? Get some BALLS and stand behind them. Fuck the Big Four.
When are we going to stand up against these Pricks and show them that they can't control Shit.
Ever heard of SIN ?? "Strength In Numbers"
Are we all just going to continue to let these jackass control what we do. It's time to step up. Rise up and be heard, or we can just bow down to these fuckers and let them dictate to us what will happen.

SIN… There are Millions of people sharing files and NO One will stand up. We have to become organized in some fashion if we want to continue to have our Internet Freedom

I just don't undrestand.

By: Dude

Dude — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:06:16 +0000

I met Denis Curran several years ago, only the Music Industry could think that his comment was anything other than having a laugh with his mates. In fairness no ISP should be monitoring the contents of the packets, anyway decent encryption will block them if they did. Will be interesting to see if the jury understand what they are listening to….

By: FLB

FLB — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:44:36 +0000

i hope you fall off that ladder you miserable little communist.

By:

Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:14:40 +0000

oh no im taking away artists millions of dollars for a little music to listen to after i went out and worked off a 40 foot ladder in the freezing cold.

oh no.. i feel so bad.

oh wait.. no.. that was just my body thawing out.. yeah i couldnt possibly care less.

By: p2pGeek

p2pGeek — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:01:05 +0000

More people will use anonymous p2p, less will be caught: http://offsystem.sf.net

By: Whispering Eye

Whispering Eye — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:47:15 +0000

Its great to live in the smallest county in Ireland, and have a small time cable company as my operator. Eircom may be complete idiots, with very poor service[and responsible for the fact a large part of Ireland can't get broadband] but I am behind them here, fight for our right!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:09:30 +0000

piracy is good. Musicians don't need their sex, drugs and rock and roll.

By: ANDY

ANDY — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:29:57 +0000

THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN THEY CANT FORCE EIRCOM TO DO THIS, THE ONLYN REASON IM WITH EIRCOM IS BECAUSE THEY DONT MONITOR DOWNLOADS!!!!

AND IF THEY DO THEM IM GONE ALONG WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:52:42 +0000

How many supporters are there in the world today? Or at least in the United States? I think that if there are a substantial number of supporters, then the U.S. supporters of copyright reform (to extend "fair use" to all non-commercial activities, perhaps) could perhaps pool their resources to raise money. I think it would be good to have an advertising campaign, perhaps on busses across the nation, saying a simple message such as "make non-commercial file-sharing legal," although in a less verbose way. It would cost a lot of money to do such an advertising campaign, but I think it would be a good idea if there would be enough resources. I, for certain, am not a rich person, but I think that if people could pool their resources together, then perhaps enough money could be raised to run such an advertising campaign. Roze

By: Starving Artist

Starving Artist — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:42:35 +0000

If they are forced to do that, customers will leave Eircom and go to another provider where this does not happen. The MusicIndustry is living in a Fantasy Land, and are spurned on by their own greed! All they care about is the supposed money they are loosing. They don't give a damn about the artists who have nothing to do with a record company and earn none off this money that is supposed to be lost through sharing. They do not own everything that is downloaded and fail to even get, that many people who share, don't even touch their artists music with a barge pole, not even with an electric prod on the end. Screw the industry, because I don't believe they are for the average people. The revolution will not be televised and neither will it be controlled by the record companies and their PR controlling BullS*&t.

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:40:51 +0000

“Think of it as helping the health and good living of rich cocaine sniffing rock stars by leaving them with less free money to spend on sex and drugs.”

That got a chuckle ot of me ;) …

By: dxtr

dxtr — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:40:09 +0000

That will never work. This is not some shitty case of Vicarious, Absolute or Strict liability. Its just FAIL from the beginning. It's never going to work. dxtr http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com

By: NubCakes

NubCakes — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:39:37 +0000

Well, it has to start somewhere … actions mean a hell of a lot more than saying that action needs to be taken.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:31:56 +0000

For the readers of this article to create a political group would be an important endeavour. It is true that the readers of TorrentFreak are worldwide, so that 'twould be impractical to convene physically anywhere in the world. However, in recent decades, there has been this thing called the "internet" which have allowed people worldwide to gather together even though they are not physically together. Thusly, I think it would be appropriate to form an internet activist group to resist the abhorrence thing that is the IFPI.

It is true that big organizations like the ISPs and the EFF are able to effect change, but only to a certain extent. Only the popular opinion is able to carry out the bigger changes that are needed. For this reason, a grassroots activist movement is more effective than any action taken by businesses like ISPs.

Direct political action, not legal action, is what is needed.

Roze

By: smoker

smoker — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:06 +0000

then watch everyone leave eircom

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IFPI v EIRCOM: Piracy Means Less Sex and Drugs for Rock Stars ... - Politics.ie — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:06:36 +0000

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By: Spanky69

Spanky69 — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:31:26 +0000

“Think of it as helping the health and good living of rich cocaine sniffing rock stars by leaving them with less free money to spend on sex and drugs.”

And therefore creating a surplus of higher grade cocaine and women for us mere mortals.

By: belgianboy

belgianboy — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:10:31 +0000

sad day for piracy … sad day for privacy you mean?

By: d_d

d_d — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:28:16 +0000

and then it'll be a happy day 2 days later when a workaround is found :D

By: CVC

CVC — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:44:01 +0000

It will be a sad day for piracy if an ISP as big as Eircom is forced to track/monitor our downloads. :'(

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:45:53 +0000

Excerpts from http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy :
“Publishers often refer to copying they don’t approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don’t believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”” (emphasis added). So there’s nothing wrong at all in avoiding the word “piracy”.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:56:46 +0000

Yes, it starts by people clamoring for action. The idea, after all, comes before the action. The idea for taking action is much more important than the action itself, because while actions occur only in one instant of time, ideas can last for longer. For one thing, I could do things myself, and take action, but the fact is that they would be just that, actions, and it is not nearly as meaningful as other people taking action. I am not a rich person, nor do I, by any stretch of imagination, have any substantial kind of political power, so it is simply impossible for me to do anything effective alone. I simply do not have the resources to take action by myself. But it is important for people as a collective to take action.

By: Roze

Roze — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:54:34 +0000

I think it would be good to carry out a bus advertising campaign across the nation of the U.S., the U.K., and other places, saying a simple message such as "make non-commercial file-sharing legal," although in a less verbose way. It would cost a lot of money to do such an advertising campaign, but I think it would be a good idea if there would be enough resources. I, for certain, am not a rich person, but I think that if people could pool their resources together, then perhaps enough money could be raised to run such an advertising campaign. Roze

By: pink panther

pink panther — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:42:07 +0000

This is too good to be true – Ireland’s tech industry is imploding and on life support, and the RIAA wants to trash their biggest ISP? Can’t they do ANYTHING right?

I imagine the government will get involved, and help the ISP. I hope.

If there is a precedent set in this case, it may influence the whole EU, too.

By: R_ED

R_ED — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:23:50 +0000

Man, I never thought that would happen here,
I rarely hear of anything anti-piracy related happening in this country..
Eircom will probably do their best to get out of this anyway.. they scarcely invest in the network infrastructure, let alone will they want to spend money on filtering. Oh, and the only reason eircom is the biggest ISP in the country is because most people don’t have a choice, the government stupidly privatized eircom (used to be called telecom eireann) and sold the company and the lines along with it. So we don’t have any LLU and most of the other isp’s are just reselling eircoms broadband. It’s old ADSL too so people living further away than about 4km (and that’s a lot) are stuck on 1 or 2mb..

By: Gracias Senor Miner

Gracias Senor Miner — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:12:47 +0000

Why not just go after the computer makers then? Afterall, all of this grand scale copyright infringement is only possible using products made by HP, Apple, Dell, etc.

By: IratePirate

IratePirate — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:16:54 +0000

The movie Vendetta comes to mind.

By: TheMan

TheMan — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:12:42 +0000

After this, our next step will be to make phone companies responsible for everything their customers say.

By: Name

Name — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:08:12 +0000

@1 Very sad, but not for the pirates. They’ll simply change to another ISP, or start using VPN ;) I know I would.

Money talks, and those who have loads of it run the world