I had a great idea which is to offer a reasonable flat fee payable once a year which entitled you to download whatever, i know most of my friends would be up for that and the rights owners get paid too!

What you think???

They cant stop us!
They never will!!

Thanks

Cool, Ta.
http://www.willbrownonline.co.uk

BZZZT! Your ADSL connection is advertised as “UP TO” 8Mb. Very important distinction…

That gives arseholes like tiscali all the manoeuvrability they need to give you a shitty connect.

Get yourself some fibre – or, if not available, at least standard cable.

Still don’t know why govts would want to stop a major revenue source. We pay tax on every payment.

If ISPs did ban users they would force said users to pay out their contracts, rubbing their greedy illicit hands together. Refuse to pay. That will deter them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7330191

“…Let me ask you this, Paul McGuinness: do you really advocate web sites, communities and networks scanned and censored, emails read and screened, Instant Messenger conversations monitored, Skype calls supervised, USB sticks DRM’ed, hard-drives sealed, flash memory cards locked, rootkits and software locks on our computers, a read-only web, the end of remixes, and the implementation of an online police state that without a doubt will only bring us new censorship and the demise of fair use and free speech while the un-paid and unlicensed trading of music will soar to new heights in 100s of new ways that we don’t even know about today…”

If so, then we probably have nothing to worry about, right..?!?

Thanks for the article & associated links, i’ve enjoyed reading them all.

If they do ever ‘catch’ anyone, i hope its you…its cunts like you that make kids like Bin Laden

PS the rest of you thanks for putting my mind at ease. Just about to watch a new film

free shit rules

peace

it doesn’t matter how many downloads you have as 1 on its own or as many as you want they still only let you upload 40 kb/s an im on a 8mb line!!!!!

and i told the nice fella on the other end of the line i was getting bad speeds when i download he even said himself he had bad speeds at times when downloadin films or music !!

so if file sharing was such a bad thing why would he be doing it he knows what the protocol is so there you go even the staff see the internet as being very leniant when it comes to file sharing

the only people going to suffer the consequences is the uploaders spreading every thing round the world in the first place 1ce they get rid of the source of the problem no1 will be able to download nothing unless it was actually from the record companies etc… themselves

You made my day and made me laugh harder than ive ever laughed at torrentfreak. (which ios alot.)

We need more articles from you. :)

UK net firms are resisting government suggestions that they should do more to monitor what customers do online.

The industry association for net providers said legal and technical barriers prohibit them from being anything other than a “mere conduit”.

The declaration comes as the government floats the idea of persistent pirates being denied net access.

And in the US one net supplier has admitted to “degrading” traffic from some file-sharing networks.

Traffic control

Net firms have been stung into defining their position by the emergence this week of a draft government consultation document that suggests ISPs should be drafted in to the fight against piracy.

It suggested that people who persistently download and share copyrighted material could have their net access removed.

A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association (ISPA) said the 2002 E-Commerce Regulations defined net firms as “mere conduits” and not responsible for the contents of the traffic flowing across their networks.

If they didn’t do traffic management we would all complain
Gavin Johns, Epitiro
He added that other laws on surveillance explicitly prohibited ISPs from inspecting the contents of data packets unless forced to do so by a warrant.

The spokesman said technical issues also made it hard for net firms to take action against specific types of traffic.

For instance, he said, while some people use peer-to-peer networks to download copyrighted material many commercial services, such as Napster and the BBC’s iPlayer, use file-sharing technology to distribute music and TV legally.

In the US, Comcast admitted in documents filed with the Federal Communications Commission that it does “degrade” some traffic from peer-to-peer networks.

The spokesman added: “We know that all ISPs are involved in traffic management but that is to optimise the service for all their customers.”

A spokesman for Virgin Media said its traffic management system came into play during peak times – between 1600 and 2100.

Action was taken against any customer whose usage exceeded a limit associated with their tariff during that five hour window, he said.

“If you exceed that threshold we will drop your speed for five hours from when the excess is recorded,” he said.

Andrew Ferguson, an editor at Think Broadband, said net service firms manage their bandwidth in many different ways.

Almost all, he said, manage traffic but at certain times impose other systems to smooth out the peaks.

“Some firms will happily let you use as much as you like but will charge you accordingly, and business products that are more expensive often allow unlimited use,” he said.

Others impose charges on customers who regularly exceed their download limits and a few manage their system so users cannot exceed a monthly download cap. The limits that firms impose can also vary widely.

“Any ISP that does not do traffic management is not going to stay in business very long,” said Gavin Johns, managing director of net management firm Epitiro.

He said it was essential to ensure that services which have to be delivered in real time, such as voice and streaming video, were usable.

“Different applications use different ports and have different payloads,” said Mr Johns, “They look completely different from a network point of view.”

“If they didn’t do traffic management we would all complain,” he said.

Mr Ferguson from Think Broadband said although traffic management was common, net providers imposed it in contrasting ways.

“What varies is the degree it impacts users and the openness of providers in telling users it exists and what is and is not managed,” he told the BBC News website.

“Traffic management has a poor reputation as in many cases it is used to keep bandwidth costs down for a provider with little respect to the consumers’ wishes,” he said.

take a look

its not a positive outlook for the record companys but it is starting to happen

This is probably were true downloaders live

Oh for instance like, its always been ‘The Guardian’.. and was’nt, is’nt known in some quarters as ‘The Manchester Guardian’?

Peter Loo wept.

The problem with that is that most broadcasters (BBC and ITV included) rarely own all the right to the shows they broadcast.

You really need to think of TV broadcasters as ‘renting’ a show to broadcast a set number of times – after that the licence expires.

Every TV show could have a dozen different rights holders associated with it (music, script, elements) and they would all either need to give clearance or be paid for it to be made openly available online.

It is impossible for any ISP to scan the whole internet traffic! They can however use the old fashioned method of searching for a recent mp3 and collect the IPs of people who made it available.

Anyway, the chance you get spotted by those shitheads is much smaller than a sudden death by a direct meteor strike :-)

This will show the government in no uncertain terms that the voters are unhappy with their actions!

Even people not yet affected can sign and promote the petition against these actions. The petition can be promoted via blogs, social networking clubs, e-mails, sites like this, etc.

Let them know that if they do not respect our human rights, privacy laws, etc that we will vote for the ‘other side’ (and encourage those who would not usually bother voting to do the same)!

As experience shows…the ‘other side’ are just as bad, but if Labour want to hang on to power…

Just a thought!