As I recall, the EU directive is that it’s illegal for a government to force their ISPs to follow this. This doesn’t apply to individual ISPs. Thus, IRMA has found a rather handy loophole, which they will exploit like mad.

I’m currently connected to UTV Internet, which means they are sourced in the UK, which has quite plainly, as I recall, thrown out the Three Strikes thing as being breach of privacy or something similar.

BT may have the same protection, since it is originally a UK company that expanded into Ireland. UPC, on the other hand, is originally a Dutch company.

Of course, if each country’s individual members are let alone, then it’s doubtful that this will make a difference to any ISP.

Not only that but If enforced an ISP will have to come up with complex and expensive means for monitoring your connection. This is a problem in Ireland where lots of small wireless ISPs exist in the country-side many with a relatively small customer base and smaller profit margin. Will they too be forced to shell more than is profitable for a monitoring system? Most likely not and thus we may see a reduction in internet dispersion in the country….as if it isn’t bad enough already.

But we all know damn well it won’t work that way. I’m sure there’s a clear double standard that excludes the IRMA or any major corporate entity from being treated the same as ISP users are.

And what about due process? Seems that you ought to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. And will there be an appeal process where the accused infringer can dispute the claims of those making the accusation?

I don’t think UPC will give in. Their network is so advanced over the rest of Irish ISP’s that file sharing doesn’t damage their contention with other users.

They want to get more market share so will support the file sharers IMO as long as they can.

Eircom are going bankrupt and owe probably in the region of 3 billion to banks so cannot afford to fight the case and a few other companies are looking at buying them out because of their financial difficulties.

I hope this gets resolved and that Irish consumers aren’t treated as criminals for file sharing of any kind which I’m sure is IRMA’s intention. They don’t seem to really care if it is legal file sharing or not. All file sharing is bad as far as their concerned because it all effects their bottom line.

Reasoned Mind/neostyles doesn’t voice his opinion. He lies. And then he lies again. Like some kind of dishonest broken record.

Nobody except for him knows what his real opinion is, since his comments are simply propaganda that the MAFIAA pays him to spew.

Ah… But I don’t have to tell you that, since you likely ARE Reasoned Mind/neostyles. Nobody loves to play the I’m-a-victim-of-censorship card more than he does when he’s confronted for being a liar.

That’s no different then my neighbor coming up to me and telling me to get rid of my car because he doesn’t like the color, then taking me to court for it and demanding me to get rid of it.

sounds like they need to join private sites so that any spies will not truly know what anyone is doing…since they can not monitor bandwidth only public sites… and some of these private sites are near to impossible to get into…

there is several hundred torrent sites out there now and growing everyday… soon this number will be so large that it will cost $$$mils…

the RIAA is “F”ed they will not win no matter the morally incorrect laws they bribe officials to put into place… with this latest campaign they have committed too they are only speeding up their demise faster!!!

i have several friends that went to college some in different fields 1 particular one became a copyright attorney and he used to agree with the RIAA along with his friends but they have all turned even my other friends and their friends against the RIAA because of their immoral behavior…pushing laws that infringe on ppls rights the harder they push the worse it is…they might get it enacted as law… it doesnt make it right!!!

they are truly their own demise in the PR side of things…3 yrs ago most educated ppl agreed with the RIAA and that it was steeling to dl but they now lost this moral battle… when the high educated begins to see things arguably different (of course i dont mean all educated ppl)but the numbers are growing larger and larger everyday against them… the boycott will begin to hurt them severely in the coming yrs financially…

for me i love making all my friends and anyone whom asks me any copies of anything that i have dled all for free… of course i tell them to share them as much as they can so as no one needs to ever buy…its a great feeling that i feel so justified in this war!!!

“4nd” isn’t asking for censorship, so please do everyone a huge favor and learn how to read.

Apart from that he’s right, those two are obviously lousy mafiaa trolls, who apparently get payed to spew their pitiful propaganda here (rather unsuccessful yet in an annoying way over and over again). And it wouldn’t be very surprising if you were one of those too, which doesn’t speak very highly of you either.

Just because you personally happen to disagree with what Reasoned Mind/neostyles, or anyone else may have to say doesn’t mean that they should be censored from voicing opinion here. It’s for the individual reader to weigh the arguments presented and make decisions themselves as to whether they agree or disagree with them, and if inclined, offer a rebuttal response accordingly. It’s not for you to attempt to make that decision for other people. In your efforts to do so you just read as someone who feels threatened by what it is they have to say, which doesn’t speak so highly of you.

Now they want to find a proxy and shield themselves don’t let the rats do it :)

I’d quit and join another ISP. But UPC will win this. Irish and general European law favours the ISP in this circumstance

they are making big bucks, and they know that people will vote with their feet and change isp.

the eircom situation was clarified recently when eircom said that they would divulge user info and then cut the user off only on presentation of the correct court order.

As a BT Ireland customer I would hope they also follow UPC’s example and hold strong to this position.

Unlike Eircom both these business have the sense to fight these unjust court cases. Their is no cause for this in Irish law nor should there be.

because the RIAA only represents a group of music producing companies… they are their thugs the RIAA petitions courts and legislates congress and the senate to put mandates to make competition illegal…

artist dont need the warner brothers, emi’s, and bmg’s of today anymore to get their music heard and the RIAA has to by what ever means possible shut down this avenue of release to the independent artist… that is their new agenda from the record labels they work for…it is imperative they do this…

so they are not considered a monopoly because they dont produce the music they dont make a profit from selling music… they profit by shutting down pirates… they are very similar to the function of the IMF of the bank world… if they fail their customers(we are not their customers) will not be able to pay them so u can see there motivation…its a do or die for them!!!

dont buy!!!

If you are really concerned about privacy use an anonymous, encrypted P2P solution or Retroshare for IM, emails and other stuff.

http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

ps: By the looks of it and by many forums retroshare is a mature solution for privacy.

1) Die in a fire

or

2) Die in a fire

I do it in jamendo but am lookin in other places too anybody have any ideas of others places?