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Is The Peter Sunde Petition Offensive, Inflammatory or Objectionable?

Last week, an online petition was started supporting former Pirate Bay spokesman Peter Sunde’s request for a pardon from the Swedish government. However, in an interesting twist, the site is now polling its own users as to whether the petition should be removed on the basis it might be “offensive, inflammatory or otherwise objectionable.” Well, that all depends on who you ask, doesn’t it?

For users of phpBB-powered forums during the last decade, member polls were an everyday occurrence. Any user could start a poll, and as a result many useful discussions were enjoyed.

Some users would also start trivial and frivolous polls, such as a multiple choice polls with only one outcome. Forum admins combated this by ordering “NO STUPID POLLS” which were responded to by people creating polls asking “Should we have a poll?” Thankfully it’s been a good few years since I last saw one of those – until this weekend.

Two weeks ago, former Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde submitted an emotional plea for a pardon to the Swedish authorities. If successful he would avoid a pending eight month jail sentence.

In support of Sunde a petition was started on Avaaz, a site with the stated aim of bringing “people-powered politics to decision-making everywhere.” The ultimate aim is to deliver the petition to Beatrice Ask, Sweden’s Minister of Justice, so Avaaz seems like a great fit.

SundePetition

The petition has been a roaring success. Sunde initially said that 10,000 signatures might make a difference but at the time of writing more than 91,000 people have signed. However, this weekend Avaaz sent out an eyebrow-raising email to its members which questioned whether the Sunde poll should be allowed on the site.

“We’re a democratic community of more than 14 million people, and will only support petitions that our community agrees are not offensive, inflammatory or otherwise objectionable,” Alex from Avaaz wrote.

He then directed Avaaz users to pick one of three options for a private poll.

– I support Avaaz providing people the opportunity to sign this petition
– I think Avaaz should remove this petition
– I’m not sure

This intervention puts Avaaz on tricky territory. Just a cursory glance around their site reveals a quagmire of petitions on massively controversial issues which by their very nature polarize people according to who sets to benefit from either side of a dispute.

The petition for the legalization of same-sex marriages in Poland is bound to be offensive to some religious groups and if the report on another petition is to be believed, calling for the protection of Muslims in Myanmar is bound to be objectionable to Rakhine Buddhists.

So is a petition supporting someone’s perfectly legal request for clemency offensive, inflammatory or objectionable? Well it all depends who you ask.

The copyright lobby no doubt thinks that the actions of The Pirate Bay, and by extension Peter Sunde, are indeed objectionable. On the other hand the tens of thousands of people who signed the petition in support of the site’s former spokesman probably have strong feelings towards overreaching copyright law.

The point here is not whether Sunde or his detractors are correct, but why out of all the highly controversial petitions on Avaaz was his singled out as potentially offensive?

We don’t know the answer to that since Avaaz did not respond to our request for comment, but have we really reached a point where we have to poll people to discover whether or not supporting someone who has an anti-copyright stance is OK? If so that would be both offensive and objectionable.

Let people speak freely on both sides – what’s the worst that can come of it?

Eight months in prison apparently. No wonder so many people signed.

Update July 18: Avaaz just sent in this comment

Avaaz is a member-driven, member-funded global advocacy organization and that makes accountability to the community part of our DNA — one way we ensure this accountability is by polling all community petitions that are flagged as possibly inappropriate.

Once flagged, the petition text is automatically inserted into a poll, using a standard set of questions, and sent to a small randomized sample of our membership. This was the poll you saw.

Based on the poll results, we are happy to report that this petition was supported to remain on the site!

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  • Joeytanker

    Highly Offensive, Inflammatory & Objectionable?
    maybe to someone… But I signed it! :) Twice!

    • thedude321

      That makes the case for Sunde weak, if people like you sign it twice… :(

      Also, what happened here was expected, the site simply caved under pressure. Was it right? No. No. No.

      Do they have a valid reason to shit in their pants? Yes. Yes. Yes.

      We need to find more solid means of getting support and not relying on online petitions. I think an old fashioned method would be more effective.

      • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

        We can also add our own pressure and give them another reason to shit their pants.  

        Avaaz contact form:  http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/contact

        Use it.

        • Anon

           Yup just complained. Good suggestion!

        • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

          Ok, if anyone wants to complain & needs a prompt, this is what I just sent in a couple minutes ago:
          ______________________”You’ll delete almost a hundred thousand voices?Will you?As you must know, the number of supporters for the petition to grant Peter Sunde’s plea for pardon has reached over 90,000 – a number that is growing by the second.  The hypocrisy of even considering removing this petition – a campaign concerning a lawful plea for pardon – is astounding when you have kept up petitions concerning abortion, gay rights, and numerous other topics that are highly offensive to many people.But this has little to do with the content of the petition in question.  It has to do with using what seems to be extremely flimsy logic to jeopardize the voices of nearly 100,000 people.Looking at the numbers beside Peter Sunde’s petition ticking up and up and up, I guess that, should our voices be deleted, I will not be alone in never trusting my name to Avaaz again.  Is there any reason I should?____________Feel free to copy, paste, modify, be inspired, whatever.  Just don’t let them shut us up that easily!

        • Anon

           Good job everyone. Just got the following from Avaaz:

          Hi Anon,

          Thanks for writing in. Yes, we determine which
          petitions to support through a series of polls of our membership. I’m
          sorry you were offended but I hope you can understand that it’s a
          controversial issue that we needed to test.

          The results were that we will continue to host the petition.

          Many Thanks for your feedback,

          Emily

        • Guest

           Already did before reading the comments. I’m disappointed in Avaaz and letting them know that is the only way to bring about change – that is the way they use in their petitions and also the way we should use if they become the monster they try to fight.

        • ilold

           I just taunted them^^

        • Mark

           Just sent my complaint, does sunde in anyway encourage violence or murder? NO – so no problem then… I used Aelius Blythe prompt with some altering (thanks)

        • Guest

           This look very fishy. Is it really Avaaz or has they been infiltrated by for hire entertainment industry agents? I am ready for everything with  these corporate parasites and criminals  with not even an once of moral sense or notion about right and wrong. These type of anti-socials belong in prison not in our street and this is where they are going to end up eventually with their friends the banksters.

        • Alias Unknown

          “Do they have a valid reason to shit in their pants? Yes. Yes. Yes.”

          What reasons might those be exactly? I would love to know.

          I can’t help but wonder how one could honestly believe this poll, which is perfectly legitimate and within the boundaries of law, is somehow “offensive, inflammatory, or objectionable”. Take a look at the following list:

          http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2024558,00.html

          Would it be considered wrong to have created a poll asking everyone whether or not people like Nelson Mandela, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King Jr should be freed if what happened to them back then was happening right now? Sunde isn’t much different from them, his imprisonment clearly motivated by politics and fear, not justice. The Pirate Bay represents a threat to a status quo that only benefits the rich and as such is predictably being attacked by those with money, power, and influence in an attempt to railroad their cause, a cause the public believe in and support. It is not wrong or evil to desire a better future for society as a whole, especially for our children, and work towards making such dreams become a reality. What does it say about our society when over a hundred thousand voices can be silenced with a single click with those in power pushing hard for the right to do exactly that on a whim? Just like how it went for many other political prisoners from history, this trial was a sham, one full of irregularities and questionable actions by those running the show. And it really was just a show, a formality they went through for appearances sake so as not to anger the masses. No, there is nothing wrong with this poll at all and it should remain up for no other reason than because it’s the right thing to do given all the circumstances we know to be true.

    • Abc

      well done on destroying the credibility of the petition……..

      As for the Avaaz email, I got sick to death of them spamming me with emails even though I always tick the don’t email me option, so I had to block their email address in the end. So perhaps they should send out an email polling their members to ask if they are happy being spammed.

  • http://cheapassfiction.com/ Aelius Blythe

    Are you kidding me? 

    Does Avaaz think that the over 90,000 people who have signed the petition are too objectionable to speak their minds?  Too controversial to support a cause that over 90,000 people support?

    I can’t believe a site that is supposed to be about bringing the average person an opportunity to speak up on controversy would even consider taking down something that had so much support.

    • Guest

      Make that 100,000 now and counting.

  • Anonymous

    perhaps another petition is required asking why Avaaz wants to run a petition about a petition without saying who is sponsoring it. they can hardly say themselves can they. and if it proves to be them doing the petition at the behest of the entertainment industries, i dont think that is going to go down too well, do you? it will certainly make the Swedish justice system look even more bought than it does already!

    • blah

      I think they should have a petition to see whether or not they should have a petition on allowing the other petition, but just in case that petition’s offensive ad infinitum…

  • Joeytanker

    Forgive me, I have sinned…. :( people like me are just the whole problem…

    • Guest

      Take the blu rays back to the store and we’ll forgive you.

  • Sabel44

    it was “mocking”

  • BJonesTF

    Just as a side-note, the current rate of signatures is about 50/minute.
    I’ts now at 93,000 and at that rate should hit 100k by 0600UTC 17-7-2012

    • ANoiX–banned

      You grossly underestimate the power of TF…. and, us regular TorrentFreakers.
      I predict on 16-7-2012 UTC/gmt 100,00 will be reached.

      3 hours to prove you wrong….
      let’s get the petition links and this story out there torrentfreakers.

      • Abc

        You grossly underestimate who Ben Jones is and how much he has done for TF over the years.

        • ANoi

          Do not. That’s why I said that.
          A front page article on TF has power. (more than modesty will allow the TF crew to admit)

          At this rate* At the improved rate , because of torrentfreak.
          And why wouldn’t we regular readers help TF get views ?

          ps… did you think I was arguing with BJ ? If I was , what was my point ?

        • Abc

          @ ANoiX Statements like “You grossly underestimate the power of TF…. and, us regular TorrentFreakers” & “3 hours to prove you wrong” came across as shall we say a tad arrogant, considering  all the work Ben has put in and some of his excellent posts, I’m sure he knows of the impact of the blog and I know he knows what he is talking about.
          If I’m wrong about your post I apologise, but I still think you could have worded your post a little better.
          Anyway I don’t want to argue with you over crossed wires, I’ve always respected your posts in the past & I did wonder why you  had stopped posting, though I’ve seen many posters come and go, I now assume your account got banned? do you know why? 

        • ANoi

           @ Abc.

          Predicting for the fun of it. I don’t want to come across as personally arrogant.
          I was arrogant on the prediction for two valid reasons.(and for the fun of a “spamming” challenge)

          a)
          Lot’s of people read the front page of TF.  Mainstream News sites link to TF. TF comes up as the top news source in google for lots of subjects. Other blogs reference TF and “link in” etc…

          b)
          We TF “readers” are a funny bunch of people who use twitter, facebook, blogs etc… and share links to TF articles all the time. We rarely need a cause, when we have one, we push the links and message out there.
          We send angry emails, funny emails, tips and partial stories to other sites to create as much drama as we can.

          eg… when I was on twitter….pushing the links in DM’s and tweets, I saw  @4ebe73a1ca96c824e01947c089ce7b98:disqus was on twitter tweeting about sending angry emails and getting a response.

          Arrogant is the wrong word….. confident in “TF as a whole” is much better.

        • ANoi

          crossed wires happen when text is the only cue of intent. (said with a frown on my face)
          I know, “you/we” see lot’s of people come and go.
          I never left. Not even for more than a few days.
          Been using different names. But when I chat to some, I leave my name if it’s relevant. Or when someone may need/like it…eg …some dick being a dick to Alyssa Blindy http://torrentfreak.com/video-music-piracy-is-bad-120618/#comment-561092938

          Peace out !

        • Abc

           @ANoiX I’ve been a file sharer since the days of “user groups” getting together in pubs and swapping cassettes and floppies, I’ve also been reading TF since the beginning when I remember Andy posting reviews about NAS boxes, so please do understand I don’t need a lesson from you about how things work! 

        • ANoi

          i was explaining myself.
          Wasn’t getting at you, or trying to argue. Not trying to give anyone a “lesson”.. Apologies if it came across that way.

    • ANoi

       ohh… so close

      431 signatures short  —-  16-7-2012  |  23:59  |  UTC
      http://i.imgur.com/QvPp1.jpg

      100,000 REACHED —  17-7-2012   |   00:23  |  UTC
      http://i.imgur.com/9Z7Y3.jpg

      Close enough

      • BJonesTF

         Indeed, it exceeded my expectations.

        I watched the average rate for about 20 minutes before posting the comment, and I guess I did indeed underestimate the power of TF :-)

        Although it’s slowed down slightly, to 102,400 as I write this.

        • ANoi

          It was fun to see the numbers speed up  : )

          Your right about it slowing down, noticed it too.
          only 109,000. 11 hours later. (I would love to see 1million)

      • puddipuddi

        Was wondering where you went bud :)

  • Pedro

    I’ve been a member of Avaaz for quite a while signing petitions for causes and events I didn’t even know existed. This is what I liked about it: giving me the chance to support underdogs in cases I had never even heard of.
    If they are starting to question the causes exposed on their website, then I will have to question their ability to persue their missions when confronted with what I suspect to be lobby pressure.
    It’s not only about human rights in third world countries, it’s also about our civilian liberties in what are designated as “developed countries”. Why? because once third world countries escape from their status, they will face  the same problems we are facing now.

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    Offensive? No
    Inflammatory? No
    Otherwise objectionable? Perhaps
    Ridiculous? Yes!!!

    Remember that his plea for pardon is not even a formal plea for pardon, instead it’s just a political statement from a convicted person going to jail. A formal plea for pardon would require a confession but the plea is in fact the opposite.

    It really doesn’t matter how many signatures there will be, the Minister of Justice will see it for what it actually is – a plea for “keep The Pirate Bay running”.

  • Jimbo

    it’s like the entertainment industries battle with other sites they dont like. if they cant control them, get them shut down. in this case, it looks like complaining about the petition could be enough to get it removed, just like a DMCA notice. not yet figured out what the copyright issue is though. regardless, there is no way that Avaaz should destroy those signatures though. they should still be delivered as intended. if not, that would show as total bias!

  • http://twitter.com/TottiTT Totti Truman Taylor

    Maybe an Avaaz petition against Avaaz behaviour?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    Welp.  I’ve signed the thing.  It’s offensive to me that the small detail called justice isn’t observed and a court of law is usurped by corporate interests.  How about a fair hearing for innovators instead of a kangaroo court?

  • Mmouga

    ” However, this weekend Avaaz sent out an eyebrow-raising email to its
    members which questioned whether the Sunde poll should be allowed on the
    site.”

    Hmm, I’m a member, i didn’t get one. I been having some trust issues when it comes to Avaaz lately, so I’m really hoping this is some kind of mistake. Did every member receive this email?

    • Colin Carr

       I never got the e-mail either. However, thanks to this TF story, I DID send a comment asking if the MAFIAA/US government was leaning on them and pointing out that ‘pulling’ the petition would destroy Avaaz’ credibility.

    • blah

      If you signed the petition, your consent to having the petition is obvious, and there would be no point in emailing you. I don’t know if that is the case on your part. 

  • guess

     https://www.facebook.com/Avaaz

    as you can see on their Facebook page someones posted a link from the article here asking if any of them care to publicly comment on this as well as the fact they seem to have deliberately excluded people who signed said poll.
    now their going to look like they have egg on their embarrassed faces considering what they “claim” to stand for, bets someone within the content industry flagged this via their “report this as inappropriate” link at the bottom of the petition.

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  • guess

    and either mine and others facebook timeline display is a bit fubarred or avaaz keep removing that wall post lol.
     

    • Guest

      There are two posts under ‘posts by others’ by the same person. They don’t show on the main ‘highlights’ page though.

  • Dupe

    i dont check to see if Avaaz does, in fact, do more polls on whether to keep or remove petitions, so perhaps someone could post if it is true? having said that, considering that they keep much more controversial petitions than this particular one running to fruition, i think ‘someone was trying to encourage them to delete it’. i also think they have learned of the consequences they would suffer for being so hypocritical.

  • Anon1

    I hate to play devil’s advocate, but is a petition honestly going to do anything? We’re talking about a government that the MAFIAA has in their back pocket. Even if there were 1,000,000 signatures, I doubt it would make a difference. Nevermind all this bullshit about whether it’s offensive or objectionable. 

    Unfortunately, Peter Sunde is probably going to do time no matter what. The only other option is fleeing and starting over.

    • Anon

      I think this is a fine opportunity for pirates to really stand up and be counted. At a time of 6 billion population and 3 billion already online, even 30,000,000 (thirty million) signatures is only about 1%.

      About 100K signatures really gives everyone a sense of scope for those still mired in a misbelief they are entitled to something for sale for nothing.

      Let the petition reign. And let all the world review. Best evidence yet of how pirates don’t put even their signature where their mouth is. Too much effort. lol

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Oh, bullshit, Anon. With that kind of thinking you could say that just because a petition in America doesn’t get 50% of the people on-board that it can be rejected wholesale.

        Many people look upon these petitions with a suspicious eye, wondering if by signing them they are going to end up on some nation’s ‘watchlist’, so they pass it over.

      • Fredrika

        > “..for those still mired in a misbelief they are entitled to something for sale for nothing.”

        You seem confused. Obviously people feel entitled to their own property that they own, and have already bought and paid for? Do you find that strange? Don’t you feel entitled to your own property?

        Or are you advocating communism? That would explain a lot, but you have a tendency to never ever answer any questions, you just run away silently every time someone asks you something, or points out something illogical in your comments, as in the one you just posted, where you call people natural feel of entitlement to their own property for misbelief.

      • Anyone

        I don’t see torrent downloads anywhere for sale

        so how am I getting something for sale for nothing?

      • PelouzeTF

        Good on you, Anon! That’s telling them! Have some industry white chocolate on your face while you reattach my balls.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        But we already know that there are millions of pirates that don’t want to pay for music and movies. What more should the world understand after the petition?

        • Fredrika

          > “But we already know that there are millions of pirates that don’t want to pay for music and movies.”

          As you are fully aware of you can not pay for music and movies, you can only pay for gods and services. Consumer legislation can verify this indisputable fact for you if you have a hard time accepting reality. When you manufacture the gods or services yourself, there’s nothing to pay for. The price is free. The price is not up for discussion. What somebody want is completely irrelevant for this fact.

          The desire to want to save money, even if that means manufacturing the gods or services yourself instead of buying them, is the cornerstone of capitalism. Do you have a problem wth capitalism? Are you advocating communism?

        • Guest

           die plz

        • Guest

          “But we already know that there are millions of pirates that don’t want to pay for music and movies.”

          Evidence suggests that most pirates are perfectly willing to pay.  As usual, your argument is based on “facts” that you made up.

          http://www.google DOT com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=filesharers+%22buy+more%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=2

          (I officially christen this link the Troll Fucker)

    • Monster

       This is the sad truth. He just needs do his time instead of prolonging it. Get it over with before you end up wasting more of your life.

      Hopefully one day soon the governments around the world will figure out there’s much more important things going on and focus on real issues and we wont have to worry about this kind crap anymore.

      • Techanon

        Never hope on any government realizing anything by themselves, the citicens have a duty to point at what is wrong otherwise its never corrected.

      • Guest

        NO NO NO! No man should do time for a crime he hasn’t committed. There is more honor in fighting unto death than submitting to the will of the corporate parasites just to get it over with. 

        History has shown time and time again that when an administration or government works against the will of the people, a revolution eventually follows when shit hits the fans. Same thing will happen again, the water has just begun to boil and its only a matter of time before it overflows.

    • Colin Carr

       Is the petition going to stop Peter Sunde being thrown in the nick? No.
      Is it going to embarrass the Swedish government? YES

      You only have to look at how dictatorships, like China for instance, come down like a ton of bricks on signs of dissent to know they don’t like it and they fear it.
      Dissent is like water wearing away a rock. It’s a long slow process and until it succeeds, a lot of dissenters get hurt by the dictators and their corrupt cronies.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        “Is the petition going to stop Peter Sunde being thrown in the nick? No.”

        Correct.

        “Is it going to embarrass the Swedish government? YES”

        No, the Swedish government is already aware of the fact that there are millions of pirates. The petition is actually redundant, no new information is given.

        • Colin Carr

           Agreed, sort of, that the Swedish government know there are millions of FILE SHARERS.
          They also know that putting Peter Sunde in prison for NOT committing crimes is, to put it mildly, infringing on his rights as a citizen.
          That doesn’t stop them feeling acute and well deserved embarrassment when their lies and oppressive behaviour are aired in public. Because then they know that WE know their behaviour is an affront to freedom and democracy.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          @ColinCarr99:disqus 

          “They also know that putting Peter Sunde in prison for NOT committing crimes is, to put it mildly, infringing on his rights as a citizen. ”

          According to the court, he has committed crimes. It’s very common that criminals are claiming that they’re totally innocent. He’s had a fair trial with one of the best defense lawyers in Sweden. He’s been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubts. The government must consider facts and a petition signed by pirates has nothing to do with facts.

        • Anyone

          @nejtillpirater:disqus
          he didn’t have his fair trial
          he had a trial in front of a judge with MAFIAA ties (which for some reason was ruled as not being biased), his appeal was denied

          it was anything but fair

        • Guest

          “According to the court, he has committed crimes.”

          The court was utterly corrupt. The prosecution wasn’t required to prove their allegations, while the evidence provided by the defense was ignored without exception. 

          I don’t give a fuck that the court said he committed crimes, because the court happened to be a farce. The guilty verdict itself was criminal. 

          It’s amusing that you keep citing the outcome of a rigged trial, as if that were somehow legitimate. 

          “He’s been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubts. ”

          Only in your little troll dreams. In reality, he wasn’t proven guilty in the slightest. The prosecution merely said “he’s guilty!”, and the judges just nodded and said “Yes, master!”. That isn’t how an actual trial works. 

          It is the way a political show works, however.

    • blah

      The Avaaz petition against ACTA received several million signatures and was presented to the European Parliament. Did they vote for the ratification of ACTA by the EU? No, the motion was with a huge majority against the treaty, despite many countries signing it in the first place. Petitions sometimes work. Assuming that they will not work is defeatist. 

    • guess

      “but is a petition honestly going to do anything?”  it’s thinking like that and apathy that has allowed the corruption of various countries statue laws by corporate america ie MPAA RIAA, and if petitions dont make a differance, care to explain why sopa, pippa and acta all got shot down? simply put petitions and protests by voters reminding the politicians that people will NOT sit back quietly while they are lobbied by american special interest groups, I’d use the words bribe and bribery but they’ve been replaced with “lobby” and “lobbying”

      • Anon1

        ACTA, SOPA, and PIPA were shot down because MILLIONS of people cried out against something that would affect MILLIONS of people. 100k people crying out so ONE PERSON doesn’t go to jail is entirely different. I admire his attempt at escaping from a “crime” he didn’t commit, and admire my fellow pirates for signing the petition thinking it will make a difference, but when you look at the circumstances surrounding the situation, the chances of it being effective are virtually nill. Don’t call out what I said when I clearly state the devil’s advocate position.

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  • GUEST
  • MegaUpload In The News!!!

    Plenty of MU news out there, TF is falling behind!!! Check this out…
    ———–
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/nz-judge-in-kim-dotcom-case-calls-us-the-enemy-on-ip-policy/

    The New Zealand judge in Kim Dotcom’s case has referred to the United States as “the enemy,” with respect to intellectual property policy. [...]
    ———–
    And also on ars, the US is arguing that since MU’s Terms Of Service specified that all disputes would be resolved under California law, MU has already accepted that it is subject to US laws…. even though it has never had any business office located in USA……

    • Guest

      TF has already covered the first one. May be you’re the one falling behind?

  • Johan

    Weird, i never got that email, despite signing petitions in the past and signing Peters petition. Are they just asking selected people what they think?

    • BM

      Gotta be a member of the site.  I am currently trying to find out how to “Un-subscribe” myself from the site.  Obviously, just not using it, but I don’t want to be on their members list as a point.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I’ve just now created a new petition in Avaaz asking Avaaz to apologise to us for their offensive treatment.

    Please sign it (whilst it remains up, lol) here -
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Avaaz_should_apologise_to_ALL_its_Members_and_Visitors/?clwLodb

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      Ridiculous. And then a petition regarding that the persons signing your petition should apologize to Avaaz…?

      • Guest

        Avaaz is violating its own ethos by questioning one of its polls for what appears to be political reasons. 

        Of course they should fucking apologize, especially to the community that thought Avaaz wasn’t influenced by special interests and was actually the democratic community that it claimed to be.

    • distracted (easily done)

      step too far, methinks. (reason: distraction)
      Maybe better to “press release” or “Tip” the story to tech and mainstream news sites.
      Let’s get awareness…. with the goal of 1million signatures on the petition !

  • BM

    This is a joke.  I live in China, a place that constantly infringes on the rights of it’s people.  Avaaz is actually banned in China (as our any polling sites, and Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, the American Embassy’s blog, a lot of news… etc…).  The reason they ban these things is “for the good of the country”.  It’s “pornographic”, “offensive”, “lies”… can’t think of anything else, but I’m sure they’re there.

    The rest of the world continually barks at China to clean up it’s act, to start respecting the rights of it’s people and not to bow to power just because it’s power.

    And yet here we are, a site that was designed to start petitions to “let the people speak” is threatened to shut down.  Avaaz, you are idiots.  Absolutely and completely idiots.  More than 100000 people have signed this petition.  That’s 100,000 people that have found your site through this, but you caved (I’m guessing to the same people that have been throwing their power around this entire case).  Now we look at you and laugh.  Do what you want with the Peter Sunde poll.  You’ve lost all credibility as a useful site.

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  • DavidXanatos

    The petition broke 100.000 barrier.
    Lets go for 1 million!

    Lets make it the biggest embarrassment for the SE gov ever

    • 1 million 1 million

      Let’s do it !

      We need to get the story out farther and wider.
      Email site ops of other torrent sites.
      Contact mainstream news sites, tech sites etc….
      Create posts on blogs, forums etc…
      Use twitter, facebook etc…

      We can get the word out more. We can do it !

    • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

      The more signers, the more embarrassment for the pirates when the Swedish government will ignore the petition. The government must consider facts and the petition has nothing to do with facts.

      • Guest

        No, the more signers the more embarassment for the Swedish government , especially if they ignore the petition. That is if it’s even possible for the Swedish government to emberass themselves further.

        Also, if they felt the need to consider facts, then they would over turn Sunde’s guilty verdict in a heartbeat followed by launching a massive investigation to uncover how on Earth such a corrupt trial could have taken place.

        • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

          “Also, if they felt the need to consider facts, then they would over turn Sunde’s guilty verdict in a heartbeat followed by launching a massive investigation to uncover how on Earth such a corrupt trial could have taken place.”

          The trial was not corrupt, anyone who claims this must make a formal report to the police to start an investigation. According to pirates, the definition of corrupt is when the court decides that a pirate is guilty. 

        • Guest

          “The trial was not corrupt”

          Except for how a guilty verdict was handed down despite how the prosecution never presented any evidence. Except for how the evidence presented by the defence was dismissed. Except for how one of the judges had ties to the copyright industry. But other than that, other than the rampant corruption going on in plain sight, if you close your eyes and pretend it didn’t happen, if you’re blind to reality, then you’re right. The trial was totally not corrupt. 

          “According to pirates, the definition of corrupt is when the court decides that a pirate is guilty.”

          No, according to pirates the definition of corruption is a fixed trial where the prosecution can provide no proof whatsoever for their accusations and yet still somehow win. 

          Which, and let me point this out again because you appear to have some profound comprehension problems, is not how a legitimate trial works.

          “The court on the other hand must go on facts”

          Oh really? Some one should have told the court that.

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  • H102728

    Avaaz are a bunch of censorfreaks who think they live in CareBear Land. I left them and won’t return, they’re just as evil as Google.

    • Guest

      Nobody cares whether you live or die motherfucker.

    • Patrick Chenier

      Whether Google is actually evil or not does not change the fact that they’re responsible for paving the way of the internet. They do allot more good than bad. 

      • Guest

        What the fuck? Google had nothing to do with “paving” the Internet. All they did was create an alternative search engine with less ads on it than Yahoo and the rest, then develop a bunch of derivative services like Gmail that lured people in by being free.

        Except they weren’t really free, they had a cost attached to them, and that cost was Google spying on you and selling your data to advertisers.

        I’m sorry, but your “fact” isn’t actually a fact.

        I also seriously question how much good they do. I.e., they sure fucked up YouTube after they got their hands on it, their shit tends to be the least usable compared to the alternatives, shiny vapourware does not count as being good,  etc. etc.

        • Guest

          I’m sorry but his fact is actually fact. Not only did Google provide a adfree search engine but one that is infinitely better when it comes to producing the desired search results than anything the competition has to offer. Its all about the algorithm and Google has been continuously improving it and that is why they continue to be the World No.1 site.

          What you call spying is nothing but focused advertising which more or less majority of sites do these days. They try to gather some information about your surfing habits and then show you adverts based on what you may like. All free email service providers do this or else where do you think the money comes from? Everything else you have heard has no proof and is lies and propaganda.

          They fucked up Youtube? Its by far the best video streaming site on the net, period. Sites like Vimeo are shit in comparison.

          The fact that you hate on a company that pretty much offers everything for free and yet manages to make billions is what makes a pathetic sad sack of a person.

  • Patrick Chenier

    They ram us down a notch, we just get LOUDER!!!

  • Anonymouse

     This may have been an attempt by Avaaz to draw attention to this poll and get more votes.

    They must know if they pull the poll they would get a DDOS at least and maybe more.

  • Guest

    I heard you like petition, so we put a petition in your petition so you can petition while you petition.

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  • Desu1

    Never heard of Avaaz since this petition and I probably will never use it again if they’re censoring polls. It’s circular logic: Poll may be offensive… Poll that claims Poll1 is offensive is in itself offensive because it implies censorship. I don’t put much stock in online “petitions” anyways because a few clicks does not demonstrate that any of the “signees” really care about the cause at all nor can it even verify that they are real people!

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    Avaaz membership revoked…

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