Look at micheal moore, He releases movies for free on the internet that cost him millions of dollars to produce, because he realises that the publicity and widespread knowledge of his efforts will repay him, either by giving him a voice to make change or by being hired for talks and shows around the world which will make him more money.

Micheal moore is a real trailblazer

Cheers
Chris

you blew me away with that one. i was until now on the benches over copyright law but you sold me the whole winning game

under no circumstances go against Gary Fung. he is in the bleeding edge position that needs a mechanism to convert current injustice to right. he is spending dollars but more than that he has the guts to make a stand

i have to go plan a path for this one because i had not previously accepted copyright to be a scarcity mechanism. ouch that hurts. but it is true

notice how torrentfreak repeats FILESHARING IS PIRACY in all the subsequent blogs to this one. Ernesto, Enigmax, you are wrong. it is easy to replace you when you refuse to be the voice of the filesharer

i will speak the unsaid that everyone has been thinking forever. i wish you luck as the voice of The Pirate Bay. you PIRATES deserve the shared future you deserve

http://www.h33t.com will post no longer on this blog

let it be a contest of systems. let the Pirates who would criminalise Filesharers fail

Sure. And the whole “business” of the transatlantic slave trade was trafficking in human beings for profit.

Newsflash: the worst error this “civilization” ever made was creating the notion of copyright in the first place. THAT’s where the enormous development budgets on things come from: thousands of dollars for a fifteen second snippet of video? Study up on the whole “clearance” issue, Poisoned Mind — of COURSE you’ll defend a system which is intensely lucrative to you, and damn the consequences.

What gets me is how Fung can still believe in ANY FORM of “copyright” as valid. If “remixing and sharing” are “vital to culture” (and, yes, I believe that they are) then any legal fictions which impose penalties for such activities — EVEN IF such coercive nonsense happens to be lucrative for a vanishingly small subset of the populace, is a bad thing.

And before anybody starts bleating about the “capitalist” system, you can go suck it: “capitalists” hate competition and markets. Patents exist for ONE reason: so that the patent-holders can get the State to jackboot any “unauthorized” competitors. It’s a “cornered” market, ostensibly for a “limited time”.

The ONLY good thing about patents is that they eventually expire, allow other competitors into the field, and consequently lower prices.

Likewise, “copyright” is a similar State-backed monopoly whose sole purpose is to impose artificial conditions of scarcity by stipulating who is “permitted” to provide what “content”.

If the only thing making your “business model” lucrative is the ability to unleash jackbooted thugs on your competition, then maybe your “business model” doesn’t deserve to exist.

I’ve just finished reading an article over at Torrentfreak.com. The isoHunt Founder Gary Fung wrote a piece about copyright and “CopyFight”. There’s a quote I’d like to share from the end of the post which I think is a rea…

http://www.davidgilson.co.uk/2008/11/thoughts-on-copyright/

btw if you are in Europe you dial 112 to report criminal filesharers to the police

http://www.h33t.com says “Hell, there are no rules here – we’re trying to accomplish something. Thomas A. Edison”

listening to you i find it extraordinary the American/Canadian police forces do not act vociferously against filesharers. according to you there is a question to be answered why the police authorities are being selective in which criminals they prosecute. sure they act against criminal copyright pirates but i do not see a police action anywhere against people filesharing on public networks. nowhere in the world does it happen

i speak for the European Union where the European Parliament has voted explicitly NOT to criminalise petty filesharing. there is not a single member state of the European Union where there is legislation outlawing filesharing and making it a criminal offense. this has been documented on torrentfreak

the anti-p2p tactics to obtain IP addresses by misleading courts of criminal activity (minimum criteria to get a court order) to obtain orders against ISP’s to reveal IP’s then subsequently dropping the allegations before discovery. this has been documented on torrentfreak

the 3 strikes policy abandoned in Denmark, and struggling everywhere to gain acceptance, is not targeted against criminals. if filesharers were criminals the anti-p2p would have a field day mopping them all up and putting them in prison. again this is all very well documented on torrentfreak

The Pirate Bay case, the basis for the defense is there is no such crime as facilitating copyright infringement. however, in every country in Europe there sure as hell is a crime of facilitation aka aiding and abetting criminal activity. in Europe there is a even a crime of “encouraging” criminal adventure. all this is well documented on torrentfreak

the list of articles on torrentfreak is long, i could go on but you get the point, the distinction between criminal piracy and filesharing is clearly evidenced by the activity of the courts and police and governments who do not treat filesharing as criminal. even the MPAA and RIAA and their respective clone outposts in Europe do not treat filesharers as criminals

i am a genuinely honest citizen, i want to do what is best for my country, i obey the laws and i support my goverment. when i see a crime i call the cops and if possible i do what i can to stop it. do you dial 999 or 911 when you find a filesharer? in Europe it is a criminal offense punishable by prison if you fail to report a crime. according to your argument Gray then we should all telephone the police authorities when we discover a filesharer

outside of the European Union and the continent of North America, in the rest of the world where the vast majority of filesharers reside, the situation is even clearer. safe to say that filesharers in the rest of the world act for the vast majority with impunity from concepts of intellectual property rights applied to digital data

everything i see on torrentfreak speaks to this contradition. painfully they shoehorn filesharing into the piracy debate and it dont fit. pirates own factories producing millions if not billions of dollars of counterfeit products. it is organised crime and people are murdered for it

piracy is criminal endeavour for commercial profit. the courts and governments and policy treat copyright piracy as criminal. they make a distinction between piracy and filesharers. filesharing is not piracy

filesharers sit at home on their computers and share an mp3 and an avi. those who cannot see the difference between criminal piracy and petty filesharing need an education and that is where torrentfreak is letting the side down. government, the courts, the police, they all see the difference, it is time you see the difference too

can we afford to be so lame as to confuse ourselves with criminals? is that 9 year old girl sharing an mp3 a criminal? are you a criminal? NO

can we win the war for freedom of information, access and opportunity? YES WE CAN

It is a shame TF are ignoring h33t’s comments. He makes a number of interesting points I’d like to see more on. For the record I am not h33t. Merely a member of numerous torrent sites – including h33t.

If laws don’t currently make a distinction between for-profit piracy and non-profit piracy then that is something that needs to be addressed and changed.

However, you are seriously misguided young man: as thye law currently stands two things are true:

1) Filesharers ARE criminals.
2) Filesharers ARE pirates.

Indeed, there really isn’t a great deal of difference between the two types of people according to the law.

Ernesto asked me to straighten that out for you because of your accusations that TF is accusing filesharers of being criminals. I’m afraid they are as the law stands. Both Ernesto and enigmax are getting a little sick and tired of reading your posts regarding this so they told me they ignore stuff you post for the most part.

There’s times when you just have to acknowledge reality and not confuse your own ideals with reality. Seeking like-minded people to validate you here won’t change reality I’m afraid. :(

Hope that helps: feel free to comment some more if you want to discuss this further OK.

Kind Regards, Gary

http://allsp.com/

you sir, are no internet age robin hood. you are just another fat cat thief.

i grabbed the opportunity to highlight to Gary what is happening here on torrentfreak

unlike the “pirates” who are NOT going to stand in a Swedish court of law and say “we are copyright pirates, guilty as charged”. those “pirates” you are being told to follow are tap dancing furiously to save their skins

piracy is theft. filesharing is copying

filesharing is freedom of information, freedom of acess, freedom of opportunity

if you were to publish, for example, the accusation the pirate bay was involved in criminal piracy then you would be in serious trouble with the law

this is not an issue of semantics. piracy is well defined as a crime and you see it written in court transcripts and government records

torrentfreak is not alone in the criminalisation of filesharers, the MPAA and RIAA are also very keen to label filesharers are criminal pirates

you have got to ask yourself what game torrentfreak are playing. they give a compliment with the left hand, they label filesharers to be criminals with the right

this trivialisation of the language and the message about filesharing is ultimately self-defeating because it demonstrates an ultimate disrespect for the subject

if at the end of the day torrentfreak is nothing more than another pet project of the pirate bay then they have missed the opportunity for torrentfreak to be the voice of filesharers and will ultimately share the same destiny as TPB

i have seen enough to know that Ernesto and Enigmax are good guys and their hearts are absolutely in the right place. but if we fail to tell our best friends their behaviour stinks then we are no friends at all

http://www.h33t.com one of 10,000 torrent sites that are not the pirate bay and are not in any way pirates

So mixing and mashing is nothing new and certainly nothing people should be sued for!

stand up, and take your whipping like a man, and stop crying about it.

http://www.aquariumfish.me

Haha.

You shouldn’t go around calling other people clueless when you’re clearly too stupid to tie your own shoes, kid.

What part of “one artist can instantly expose their work to millions of people, without costing themselves a cent” didn’t you understand? The Internet is currently the world’s biggest marketting machine, and it’s absolutely free to get it behind you. If you can’t even muster up the effort to post something to YouTube, then woe be to your lazy ass.

“True, but then again, most of my work has been exposed to millions of people for a couple years now (through dedicated music sites, flash games, etc.), and I have yet to experience the monetary benevolence of the listeners.”

Then the cold hard truth is, most of your work isn’t good enough to make a single one of the millions of people who have been exposed to to it over the course of several years give you a dime. Unless you’ve done a really poor job of getting the point accross that you need donations(err, you do NEED them, right?), then that’s just the way it is.

“I know a lot of musicians more talented than I, and they say the same thing. It’s not about the talent of the musician, it’s the willingness of the people to pay for something they could get for free elsewhere. ”

What? Musicians scapegoating filesharing because they don’t want to admit that it actually IS about talent, and theirs isn’t good enough to carry them?

Well, I’ll be darned. Who woulda thunk it.

The willingness of people to pay for something they could get for free elsewhere is based upon whether or not they feel the artist in question is worth monetarily supporting.

Rozi
http://5chan.ru

-GOD

anyhow
remember the word says copyRIGHT
that is me the citizen granting YOU THE PRIVILEGE of INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY rights. As such i would say that as you are not benefiting me in society i would argue you have abused such a right and like when you speed or drink and drive YOU LOSE the PRVILIEDGE and RIGHT to DRIVE YOUR CRAP TO US CONSUMERS.

how can it benefit me if the copyright = lifetime of artist +95 years? or 50 or 30 or 15?
software anyone buying zorg for the vic 20 lately ( 1981 game cartridge?)
no? i see.

Hypocritical? I suppose running a large site like that costs absolutely nothing either right?

True, but then again, most of my work has been exposed to millions of people for a couple years now (through dedicated music sites, flash games, etc.), and I have yet to experience the monetary benevolence of the listeners. Sure, I get 20 bucks here and there from amateur flash developers to use a loop of mine in a game or animation, but I have never received a donation from a supportive fan.

I know a lot of musicians more talented than I, and they say the same thing. It’s not about the talent of the musician, it’s the willingness of the people to pay for something they could get for free elsewhere. Radiohead can get their fans to pay up because they have the popularity. I, however, am just another small producer who isn’t worth the money, and if I DO demand payment, they just go to another guy.

Very hypocritical!

Please – I can think of one (Basshunter) but he’s remarkable because it actually HAPPENED. There are 100s of thousands that are trying that and guess what? Hardly anyone knows aout them.

Go back to school child, you don’t deserve to be part of the adult world you dumb shit.

You’ll live off of your musical talent if it’s good enough to inspire people to support you.

Wandering mintrels? Get real.

We live in the age of the Internet, where one artist can instantly expose their work to millions of people, without costing themselves a cent.