Comments on: ISP Disconnects Customers with Open WiFi

By: aquariumfish

aquariumfish — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:19:32 +0000

The only reason I suspect the ISP are doing this, is not because of file sharing. But because of the bandwidth there losing to none paying customers. And just using this as an excuse.

http://www.aquariumfish.me

By: Mad On Na

Mad On Na — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:13:35 +0000

Karoo can kiss my ass. Who the fuck are they? With this story, their servers will crash as they are probably not used to more than 3 visitors a day. They can enforce they crazy ass rules all they want.

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By: anony

anony — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:11:11 +0000

@76 YOU HAS TEH INTERNETS?

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By: GG

GG — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:38 +0000

Ha if u can’t perfectly secure ur wifi(which is impossible even with the security standards of today) you don’t deserve to have the internet. Same with all u bastard that download stuff.

By: ISP Threatens To Terminate Users With Open Hotspots - Flashing back to the early, highly draconian days of Wi-Fi… | Voip Blog

Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:20:20 +0000

[...] long gone, which is why it’s surprising to see one UK ISP turning back the clock, their TOS threatening to terminate the accounts of users with open access points: “We shall be entitled to terminate the Service immediately [...]

By: Pass: Karoo

Pass: Karoo — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:36:27 +0000

No probl guys!
Whowann leave free your wi-fi spot can re-nominate it with a pass like: Karoo

You “have” do it! All the people know about them… Enjoy!

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ISP disconnects user with Wi-Fi : Security Roadmap — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:11:55 +0000

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By: Anon

Anon — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:47:28 +0000

Hey guys, sorry, I work in the abuse department for an ISP in the states, and if its in the Terms of Service, then our subscribers have agreed to it by taking our service. Typically whatever is connected to our modem is the customer’s responsibility, but if they have open WiFi and someone else connects to their network, they are responsible for what happens, whether it be spamming, or illegal downloading, etc., we shut them down for that. I doubt Karoo has the resources to actively monitor each and every customer’s equipment and see if they have open WiFi connected, rather it would be more of a hand caught in the cookie jar if anything was to ever come up with their connection.

By: Noodles

Noodles — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:40:26 +0000

Easy, don’t use Karoo, write to them to tell them why, and then say goodbye, vote with your money!

By: Jay

Jay — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:08:11 +0000

Karoo is the monopoly ISP for Hull, if you live in hull and use a landline based ISP, there is 1 phone company and 1 ISP.
For some reason mobile dongles are selling very well :)

By: sathio

sathio — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:23:43 +0000

everyone use this name for the wifi pass is karoo, and then use pass “karoo”,
you are protected but they cannot close your account.

By: sad karoo user

sad karoo user — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:27:36 +0000

@anonymous – ‘is hull a low socio-economic area’? hahah oh boy, is it ever. it’s situated on the lowland flood plain at the mouth of the Humber estuary looking out on to the North Sea. It’s in serious danger of flooding, especially if climate change accelerates sea level rises. the uk govt’s tacit policy is to let it flood, and in fact it nearly did last year. harsh as it may sound this would be the best thing for the place. karoo is just one of the many utterly crap things about hull. i went to uni there and like all my alumni have fled its environs. hull fails to hold any of its graduates, its a stagnant cesspit frankly. sadly karoo provide internet ‘service’ to the surrounding smaller conurbations in east yorkshire like beverley so everyone gets to suffer under this appalling monopoly. it sounds self-pitying but in all honest hull is such a shit hole no-one, and i mean NO-ONE with help us. Even the bureaucrats of the European Union have turned there back on us. Karoo is a significant factor holding back the development of what is a major uk city, but were’ still left to rot locked in this stinking cage with the foul beast.

By: Trrrravis

Trrrravis — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:42:39 +0000

All you have to do is make your router name thepasswordis_____. Secure your router, but people can still get into it if they want. Ta da!

By: ISP ingl?s te desconecta si compartes WiFi - Foros de CHW

ISP ingl?s te desconecta si compartes WiFi - Foros de CHW — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:36:07 +0000

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By: Drew

Drew — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:53:31 +0000

That company will get *nowhere* trying to enforce this.

BTW, “pros” and “cons” are not possessives; their plurals do not take apostrophes.

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Open WiFi could get you disconencted? | — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:15:08 +0000

[...] Should an ISP be entitled to demand this? Karoo leaves its customers no choice, and simply forbids them to leave their network unsecured, or use a FON router, despite the fact that this will be practically impossible for them to enforce. Not only that, people who have no idea about router security are now wide open to summary disconnection by this ISP. UK lawyers Davenport Lyons are actively encouraging that service providers of various types enforce their own terms and conditions against copyright infringers, so if you’re with Karoo and get a complaint, you can forget about 3 strikes. Even if you did nothing illegal, it’s one strike and you’re out. (Torrentfreak) [...]

By: Kravex

Kravex — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:14:04 +0000

Karoo is only available in one city in the UK, Hull who have their own phone company called Kingston.

The worst part is that people in Hull have no other choice when it comes to broadband as no other company chooses to provide it there, so if you get cut off from Karoo you can’t have wired broadband again, ever!

By: lol

lol — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:37:41 +0000

wow what a horrible isp..

il run my wireless router in whatever mode i please thank you.

sad to see such stupidity.

By: OlPeculier

OlPeculier — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:52:32 +0000

To reiterate the comment above, there is NO COMPETITION to Karoo in the Hull area, unless you want to try one of the newer 3G services that is.

Hull council retained the rights to it’s own telecoms network (was the last to be able to do so) before privatising it as Kingston Comms. Karoo is the ISP arm of that company.

It isn’t down to socio-economics or anything like that (this also covers Beverley which is a very affluent market town)

As has been said they do not allow other providers to install equipment in their own exchanges without series amounts of cash exchanging hands. Nobody is interested, although I do think AOL tried to implement something before been bought out by CW.

When ADSL was starting to become mainstream it could take up to 4 months to get a connection (( was working for a regeneration project in the East of the city at the time and it was a nightmare)

They COULD have some of the best connectivity in the North East, but they don’t.

Fortunately, this is, AFAIK, the only place in the UK where this scenario is taking place.

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By: anon

anon — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:01:55 +0000

Most of these comments arent aware of the situation with karoo.

The reason you havent heard of them, is that they only operate in the hull area, where they are the solo internet provider on kingston lines.

They enforce whatever they like, they dont lose customers or go bankrupt, simply because if your not with karoo, your not with internet.

By: anon

anon — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:36:31 +0000

Living in hull myself, i can tell you theres no other internet provider, karoo has a monopoly.

They can force whatever policies they like, if you dont agree, you dont get internet, simple as.

By: sharkers

sharkers — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:28:31 +0000

hey enigmax/ernesto how about an article on the idiocy of my old ISP, eircom.
they useed a very very stupid system to encrypt, and now there is a keygen floating on all public trackers, that brakes the default WEP.
and this is ireland so me and my friends are raping every line i find.
hassle free :)

By: napalm

napalm — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:56:36 +0000

What are they going to make you do? Enforce you to atleast use WEP? Let say I get caught sharing music or something, I can just say that my WEP encryption was hacked? I do this all the time to test networks. VERY Simple with aircrack. Does this count as plausible deniability? I can get away with it then huh?

By: TerribleTony

TerribleTony — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:52:01 +0000

I have never even heard of this ISP in all the years I have had an internet connection, so they must be a rather small ISP.

This will only reduce the small number of customers they already have, and to be brutally honest I doubt they will disconnect a single customer.

As far as I can determine, this is simply an appeasement to the anti-piracy organisations.

How do they propose to find these unsecured wireless networks? Employ a thousand more staff, buy a ton of vans and drive around to each customers house? I seriously doubt this.

By: meneame.net

meneame.net — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:42:37 +0000

ISP del Reino Unido desconectará a los usuarios con la WiFi abierta…

Abrir las redes inalámbricas ha servido como una estrategia de defensa de varios juicios contra internautas que compartían ficheros, al no poderse determinar el responsable de las descargas. Para los internautas del Reino Unido, esto ya no será una …

By: meneame.net

meneame.net — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:37:57 +0000

Compartir Wi-Fi será motivo de desconexión de Internet…

El operador británico Karoo, cancelará el acceso a Internet a los clientes que abran voluntariamente o no, su red inalámbrica. Dicen que el uso de las redes de intercambio de archivos P2P para descargar archivos protegidos por derechos de autor est…

By: deepy

deepy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:24:10 +0000

new initiative:

everyone should have the same password for open networks……

By: Ekim

Ekim — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:13:14 +0000

I’ve been in IT 22 years (old fart that I am), and I deliberatley decided to NOT secure my wireless, for a few reasons;

1: old access point – only did WEP – so pointless, and trivial to break.
2: limited range, not close to the street, so war-driving would be limited
3: Kindness – I am on an _actual_ unlimited plan, so it’s no skin off my nose
4: Some of my wireless devices are a bit old and can’t do any more than WEP – again, WEP = Pointless

Now I have a new access-point/wireless router, it’s still unsecured and I’ll keep it that way…

Plus, after reading teh article, there’s the added bonus of plausable deniability if any questions of copyright infringement come up…

No security is better than a false sense of security…

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By: Estrafalarius — “Si compartes tu Wi-Fi, te quito el acceso”- Karoo (ISP de UK)

Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:42:50 +0000

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By: freddy

freddy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:22:22 +0000

I’m amazed at how many people posting comments here are so uninformed about WPA. If you use a strong password (like 32 random alpha-numerics), nobody can crack it unless they have all the computing power on the planet at their disposal for a few million years.

Another moron implied that ‘you might as well post your credit card and bank acct numbers on a post-it note outside your house.’ Another retard. I guess he’s never heard of SSL. You can run an open wireless access point and NOBODY is going to be able to see what is going on in a SSL connection.

It’s truly stunning how stupid people don’t let their lack of knowledge get in the way of posting total nonsense all over the place.

And BTW, just because an ISP has this policy doesn’t mean you can’t use the wireless defence. You don’t ACTUALLY have to be running an open access point, just have the router unplugged in your desk drawer just in case. The ISP will stay happy and you’ll still be able to claim no knowledge of the infringement.

By: mb

mb — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:30:38 +0000

Those terms are clearly unfair, and I’m sure that anyone who needs to challenge it in court probably has a good chance at winning.

As others on here suggest, it is time for consumers to start demanding fair treatment from these bully corporations.

By: Phil in Canada.....

Phil in Canada..... — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:44:11 +0000

There are lots of ISP’s dump these Scrooges and move on to a sharebear ISP. Why the freaking hell should they care…is anyone holding THEM responsible for what their subscribers do with their account. Dump ‘em, move onto to a non “big brother” ISP. :) “Sharing is Caring” :)

By: Vatsan

Vatsan — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:06:38 +0000

Heres an idea. Like the other hundreds of morons here just set your WPA password to “password”.

By: Troc Ster

Troc Ster — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:31:44 +0000

“Some people leave their network open, simply because they are ” good citizens and wish to share excess capacity.

By: ha-ha

ha-ha — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:12:42 +0000

@22 shut up your obviously an idiot .If you [one who apparently knows everything] want to leave your network unencrypted then you do that. i will be laughing when you find that half your internet accounts hotmail, gmail, facebook, etc have been pwned by some script kiddy who used wireshark to retrieve the passwords from your unencrypted wireless traffic. Besides theres no reason not to try to encrypt your connection you are aware additional measures can be taken to further stump wifi-freeloaders even if they break your key you can frustrate them to the point where they will leave and go somewhere else. I would go into a rant about iptables and stuff but your obviously too retarded and mouthy to understand what im talking about so i wont. The only retards are those who knowingly fail to encrypt their wireless networks which means that you are also a retard.

By: research plz!

research plz! — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:56:51 +0000

Guys & Gals !
This is Karoo. They dont give a shite coz they own the Telco in HULL. There is NO other ISP/telco provider in Hull.

There is no COMPETITION.

Go speak to a hull-ian. they think karoo sux valls but what u gonna do?

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By: Just wondering...

Just wondering... — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:32:18 +0000

So using WEP is banned as well? It sure as hell SHOULD be (crackable in under a minute with no knowledge at all!)… :/

By: rofl

rofl — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:59:33 +0000

shhitty business strategy if you ask me, its like theyre saying “no we dont want your money”

By: Ndta

Ndta — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:57:46 +0000

lol, theres commercial software where you can crack WPA and WPA2 as easy like WEP last year :P So you should be able to say that someone else accesed your router without your permission and schouldn’t have to rely on the “open wireless defense”

By: xxx

xxx — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:30:36 +0000

This is pretty standard (at least in my country). The reason is that ISPs routinely oversell their capacity on the cheaper DSL packages and if the DSL line is shared by many people, the load is much heavier than if just one household uses it.

By: TD123

TD123 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:19:09 +0000

Boycott these motherfuckers.

If no one’s using their services, they wouldn’t BE there in the first place.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:49:02 +0000

gross