Now the users of this system liked to print out these files to put on their office/bedroom walls. The centre management decided – in their “wisdom” that this was a waste of money and so they removed the picture files from the system.
Unfortunately for them a few people had made copies of these files – and promptly shared them with their friends – so the printing of pictures continued – but now of course much (at that time scarce) disk space was now being used to store multiple copies of these files.
So the managers set about deleting these files from the users’ disk allocations (at considerable cost in time and effort).

Of course the users quickly realised that this was happening and so they encrypted their files – and dressed them up to look like numerical data files.

The printing of pictures continued.

The waste of storage space increased.

AND – now valuable (at the time) processing resources were being used.

Over the past 30 years I have watched with amusement as the same merry dance repeats again and again –

the moral of the tale:

1. You can’t stop technically savvy people from doing what they want to with technology

2. Every effort you make to do so will ultimately just cause you further loss.

When will they ever learn….

When will ISPs just relize there is nothing they can do. Would a phone company of cut your phone if you pireted stuff back in the BBS days? no.

There is no way you can reliably distinguish the legality or otherwise of all or even 85% of traffic, especially with the modest resources available to the average ISP. Dude, the NSA wouldn’t be able to do it.

Encryption, reduced data transfer rates, privacy issues, the problem of false positives, etc, etc, etc. No way you are going to solve all those serious technical and legal hurdles.

I call complete bullshit on your claim.

What you are saying is — to a lawyer — like a convicted serial killer saying “I’m cured, now I kill only once per month, not one a day”.

catch pirates is a good thing

we should have death penalty against pirates”

Riiiight. Could you possibly need MORE attention?

“…leaving legitimate traffic along.”

I don’t understand how you could be sure.

Old stupid judge.

Verizon should sue SABAM for damages, now. If I were a Verizon customer, I’d be on the phone right quick, forcing Verizon to react.

now get them to admit how much cash they spent making it and selling it and the added cost to CONNEDsumers and the waste of electricity that in effect damages the environment.

SO what the mpaa/riaa are saying is FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT
Proof go look how much waste they provide earth.

@one peep above you vote for your gov’t its YOU being represented, dont like it VOTE THEM OUT.
AND copyRIGHT is like all rights something that can and should be taken away for abuse.

HOW does a 95 year copyright benefit socoety , or even 50 year sas it is in canada.

Want quality instead of quantity?
Make music , movies et all at 10 years.
This FORCES lazy , crappy artists and rich snobby pathetic businessmen to invest MORE WISELY in what they promote and how they promote it ( aka as cheap as possible to get the most return on investment to as many as possible )
instead of 30$ CDRS like i saw last time i was in a music shop.
SICK i tell ya,

AND HOW is 16.07 pop and popcorn with a 1$ savings ANY FRAKING savings at all you greedy bastards.

if scarlet has to pay 75000 euro a month, (2,500 x 30), why not spread that cost to the customer? Assuming they have 10,000 customers(.1% of belgiums population), that would mean an extra 7.5 euro a month for internt. Is the peace of mind that you aren’t breaking the law by downloading copyright material, or that your internet wont be throttled/cut off not worth that much more?

Including commercials in free online content would also be plausible. Its been how tv makes money for years

I don’t see how any technology can reliably determine whether or not traffic is illegitimate.

Just because something is copyrighted doesn’t mean it can’t be legally shared. For example, some countries allow individuals to use copyrighted material in certain circumstances. The copyright holder may allow distribution but reserve other rights. As a trivial example most commercial websites permit you to request, receive and view their site, even though it’s copyrighted.

I don’t believe any technology can reliably determine which rights are granted and which are reserved on all traffic entering or leaving an ISP. If you and your ISP genuinely have something that can do that, sell it to the world and retire a rich man.

And should that mailman open my package, analyze its content and then destroy it? Even though I payed my stamp to get it delivered in the first place?

More discussion can be found here; http://www.mattiasgeniar.be/technology/isp-it%E2%80%99s-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p/

And then maybe the BS the Greens are spouting that feasible, renewable clean energy will replace oil will come true too.

I sadly doubt that this ISP will remain till 2010…

Government, not society.

They should do that, and make every website that all those customers see redirect to a copy of the court order and a Google map pointing at the judge’s house.

Then we’ll see how long that order lasts.

get a life

If they want to stop file sharing you need to turn off the internet and then stop selling any type of storage media! Even then, you wont stop it.

Where is that napster kid anyway?

we should have death penalty against pirates

How exactly would you do that without affecting legitimate users? How exactly do you differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate traffic? Has your network implimented some sort of psychic network filtering? I recon you do nothing more than what most other ISP’s do and that is indiscriminately attack bittorrent users. There is no reasonable method available to distinguish who’s infringing copyright and who is not, from the ISP’s point of view, so the tactic is to block it all while not giving a shit wether there are innocent people being prevented from going about their legal business. So… what you are really saying is that you block 80-85% of illegal traffic by throttleing to death every port except those used by general internet traffic, i.e. 21 & 80 ect, otherwise there is no way you can make a claim like that.

intellectual property is something that needs to be dealt with but this is certainly not the correct way to do so. i cant sue the government for drunk drivers on the roads.

Even if the traffic is not encrypted the overhead to generate hashcodes to anaylze the traffic is immense and expensive. Even this system is likely to lead to an unacceptably high false-positive/false negative rate on p2p networks the software has not been extensively tested on.

Furthermore, should a p2p network add onion routing to the mix this all becomes for naught.

Those of you who say you work at an ISP where this is pulled off obvious do not work there in a technical role. (no, helpdesk does not count)

Communications are often hard to distinguish between but moreover each time some one adds a layer of checks in there speed is always lost. Network inefficeincy kills effective networking practices.

If the music industry wants someone else to do the dirty work for them that just spells out how lazy/unwilling they are to protect their artists.

Thats because U ARE A TiT!

Your are talking out of ya arse tr0ll.

You can never stop it. The only way is to turn the .net off. There is no possible way to inspect & disect every available packet in real time.

Repeat dave “I am a TiT”

http://www.fetchmp3.com

J.

They’re trained in law (the path I’m following), generally with a liberal arts/social science undergraduate degree. Corrupt, unlikely. Out of touch, most likely.

I’ve met judges who require an assitant to turn on their computer and get Word going.

You can only disconnect what you can find. My ISP is a pain in the ass but there are solutions to their solutions. Their efforts might discourage some but the work-arounds are detailed on the net.

All this anti-piracy, anti-anti-piracy, anti-anti-anti-piracy and anti-anti-anti-anti-piracy is eating up even more bandwidth and processing power at both ends. Maybe the insane power consumption will eventually end this nonsense.

Nah, I take it back – you ARE a bullshit artist and a troll.

ya we know its ONLY ABOUT GREED
and nice move obama you just blew your chance to become the president by removing net neutrality

A) hacker make tool to do what he wants
B) hacker shares tool
C) for long time it goes and everybody pirates away
D) DUMB idiots spend millions to prevent said tool
E) return to A)

Such as with DRM and security in general you cannot win, you can at best keep at it spending your way until no one can afford things OR, make the products cheaper and then reduce the “piracy effect”

THATS ALL FOLKS

Belgium is a backward country when it comes to ICT.