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		<title>By: Scarlet kan geen illegale content blokkeren &#124; Computertaal</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-511879</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarlet kan geen illegale content blokkeren &#124; Computertaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mooie overwinning dus voor de gewone gebruiker. Sabam houdt overigens wel vol dat het de filters kan gebruiken. Alleen lijkt Sabam er niet zo van [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-499685</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once upon a time  - in the days of mainframe computers - at a certain university computer centre somewhere in the northwest of England they used to test the lineprinters using picture files -  some of you may remember those days - the Mona Lisa cleverly rendered with lineprinter characters.

Now the users of this system liked to print out these files to put on their office/bedroom walls. The centre management decided - in their &quot;wisdom&quot; that this was a waste of money and so they removed the picture files from the system. 
Unfortunately for them a few people had made copies of these files - and promptly shared them with their friends - so the printing of pictures continued - but now of course much (at that time scarce) disk space was now being used to store multiple copies of these files. 
So the managers set about deleting these files from the users&#039; disk allocations (at considerable cost in time and effort).

Of course the users quickly realised that this was happening and so they encrypted their files - and dressed them up to look like numerical data files.

The printing of pictures continued.

The waste of storage space increased.

AND  - now valuable (at the time) processing resources were being used.

Over the past 30 years I have watched with amusement as the same merry dance repeats again and again - 

the moral of the tale:

1. You can&#039;t stop technically savvy people from doing what they want to with technology

2. Every effort you make to do so will ultimately just cause you further loss.

When will they ever learn....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time  &#8211; in the days of mainframe computers &#8211; at a certain university computer centre somewhere in the northwest of England they used to test the lineprinters using picture files &#8211;  some of you may remember those days &#8211; the Mona Lisa cleverly rendered with lineprinter characters.</p>
<p>Now the users of this system liked to print out these files to put on their office/bedroom walls. The centre management decided &#8211; in their &#8220;wisdom&#8221; that this was a waste of money and so they removed the picture files from the system.<br />
Unfortunately for them a few people had made copies of these files &#8211; and promptly shared them with their friends &#8211; so the printing of pictures continued &#8211; but now of course much (at that time scarce) disk space was now being used to store multiple copies of these files.<br />
So the managers set about deleting these files from the users&#8217; disk allocations (at considerable cost in time and effort).</p>
<p>Of course the users quickly realised that this was happening and so they encrypted their files &#8211; and dressed them up to look like numerical data files.</p>
<p>The printing of pictures continued.</p>
<p>The waste of storage space increased.</p>
<p>AND  &#8211; now valuable (at the time) processing resources were being used.</p>
<p>Over the past 30 years I have watched with amusement as the same merry dance repeats again and again &#8211; </p>
<p>the moral of the tale:</p>
<p>1. You can&#8217;t stop technically savvy people from doing what they want to with technology</p>
<p>2. Every effort you make to do so will ultimately just cause you further loss.</p>
<p>When will they ever learn&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gatman712</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-498683</link>
		<dc:creator>gatman712</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at number 5 what the fuck you doing here then bitch get lost, you over here spying on us so you can snitch to your fucking isp. go suck there dicks homie and get the fuck out of this site u dick ridin bitch, go block dicks from going into yours moms pussy hoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at number 5 what the fuck you doing here then bitch get lost, you over here spying on us so you can snitch to your fucking isp. go suck there dicks homie and get the fuck out of this site u dick ridin bitch, go block dicks from going into yours moms pussy hoe.</p>
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		<title>By: SomKen</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Verizon customer and I download stuff using Bittorrent.  unless this magic stuff isn&#039;t on in my area (which I doubt), there is no way it will work.  ISP won&#039;t understand that bittorrent, usenet, FTP, and many others to, to name a few, have legit uses.  I use bittorrent to download the latest version of CentOS. As we know, CentOS is Linux and its also free. The only way to block all of P2P would be to read everypacket, invasion of privacy, and block all bad packets.  However, that in its self is hard.  Enecryption is just the stake in the heart of that idea.  

When will ISPs just relize there is nothing they can do.  Would a phone company of cut your phone if you pireted stuff back in the BBS days? no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Verizon customer and I download stuff using Bittorrent.  unless this magic stuff isn&#8217;t on in my area (which I doubt), there is no way it will work.  ISP won&#8217;t understand that bittorrent, usenet, FTP, and many others to, to name a few, have legit uses.  I use bittorrent to download the latest version of CentOS. As we know, CentOS is Linux and its also free. The only way to block all of P2P would be to read everypacket, invasion of privacy, and block all bad packets.  However, that in its self is hard.  Enecryption is just the stake in the heart of that idea.  </p>
<p>When will ISPs just relize there is nothing they can do.  Would a phone company of cut your phone if you pireted stuff back in the BBS days? no.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabba</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497805</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Dave, I don&#039;t buy it. 

There is no way you can reliably distinguish the legality or otherwise of all or even 85% of traffic, especially with the modest resources available to the average ISP. Dude, the NSA wouldn&#039;t be able to do it.

Encryption, reduced data transfer rates, privacy issues, the problem of false positives, etc, etc, etc. No way you are going to solve all those serious technical and legal hurdles.

I call complete bullshit on your claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Dave, I don&#8217;t buy it. </p>
<p>There is no way you can reliably distinguish the legality or otherwise of all or even 85% of traffic, especially with the modest resources available to the average ISP. Dude, the NSA wouldn&#8217;t be able to do it.</p>
<p>Encryption, reduced data transfer rates, privacy issues, the problem of false positives, etc, etc, etc. No way you are going to solve all those serious technical and legal hurdles.</p>
<p>I call complete bullshit on your claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497756</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t say it better than chronnoss</description>
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		<title>By: DaThinker</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497739</link>
		<dc:creator>DaThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave: That would not satify the judge. The ruling required the illegal files to be &quot;blocked&quot;, not &quot;diminished&quot;.

What you are saying is -- to a lawyer -- like a convicted serial killer saying &quot;I&#039;m cured, now I kill only once per month, not one a day&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave: That would not satify the judge. The ruling required the illegal files to be &#8220;blocked&#8221;, not &#8220;diminished&#8221;.</p>
<p>What you are saying is &#8212; to a lawyer &#8212; like a convicted serial killer saying &#8220;I&#8217;m cured, now I kill only once per month, not one a day&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: oneplusone</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497700</link>
		<dc:creator>oneplusone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;55 Sep 23, 2008 at 20:22 by PedoPhile

    catch pirates is a good thing

    we should have death penalty against pirates&quot;

Riiiight. Could you possibly need MORE attention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;55 Sep 23, 2008 at 20:22 by PedoPhile</p>
<p>    catch pirates is a good thing</p>
<p>    we should have death penalty against pirates&#8221;</p>
<p>Riiiight. Could you possibly need MORE attention?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497697</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

  &quot;...leaving legitimate traffic along.&quot;

I don&#039;t understand how you could be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>  &#8220;&#8230;leaving legitimate traffic along.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how you could be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: oneplusone</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497695</link>
		<dc:creator>oneplusone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SABAM lies! 

Old stupid judge. 

Verizon should sue SABAM for damages, now. If I were a Verizon customer, I&#039;d be on the phone right quick, forcing Verizon to react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SABAM lies! </p>
<p>Old stupid judge. </p>
<p>Verizon should sue SABAM for damages, now. If I were a Verizon customer, I&#8217;d be on the phone right quick, forcing Verizon to react.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacky</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thousands of sincere and serious Ageless people I met on http://cougarhub.bravehost.com are the most amazing people I ever met! they care nothing but real love and chemistry! that&#039;s what we are looking for in today&#039;s world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thousands of sincere and serious Ageless people I met on <a href="http://cougarhub.bravehost.com" rel="nofollow">http://cougarhub.bravehost.com</a> are the most amazing people I ever met! they care nothing but real love and chemistry! that&#8217;s what we are looking for in today&#8217;s world!</p>
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		<title>By: HelloWorld;</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497647</link>
		<dc:creator>HelloWorld;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...close to &quot;Saddam&quot;. Sorry, mistakes happen people :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;close to &#8220;Saddam&#8221;. Sorry, mistakes happen people :P</p>
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		<title>By: HelloWorld;</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497645</link>
		<dc:creator>HelloWorld;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you change the &quot;b&quot; with &quot;d&quot; in the word SABAM, It will be spelled &quot;SADAM&quot; which is close to &quot;SADAM&quot; so it&#039;s the antichrist! Fast, kill it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you change the &#8220;b&#8221; with &#8220;d&#8221; in the word SABAM, It will be spelled &#8220;SADAM&#8221; which is close to &#8220;SADAM&#8221; so it&#8217;s the antichrist! Fast, kill it!</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497640</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new comcast sandvine shit
is already cracked 

now get them to admit how much cash they spent making it and selling it and the added cost to CONNEDsumers and the waste of electricity that in effect damages the environment.

SO what the mpaa/riaa are saying is FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT
Proof go look how much waste they provide earth.

@one peep above you vote for your gov&#039;t its YOU being represented, dont like it VOTE THEM OUT.
AND copyRIGHT is like all rights something that can and should be taken away for abuse.

HOW does a 95 year copyright benefit socoety , or even 50 year sas it is in canada.

Want quality instead of quantity?
Make music , movies et all at 10 years.
This FORCES lazy , crappy artists and rich snobby pathetic businessmen to invest MORE WISELY in what they promote and how they promote it ( aka as cheap as possible to get the most return on investment to as many as possible )
instead of 30$ CDRS like i saw last time i was in a music shop.
SICK i tell ya,

AND HOW is 16.07 pop and popcorn with a 1$ savings ANY FRAKING savings at all you greedy bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new comcast sandvine shit<br />
is already cracked </p>
<p>now get them to admit how much cash they spent making it and selling it and the added cost to CONNEDsumers and the waste of electricity that in effect damages the environment.</p>
<p>SO what the mpaa/riaa are saying is FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT<br />
Proof go look how much waste they provide earth.</p>
<p>@one peep above you vote for your gov&#8217;t its YOU being represented, dont like it VOTE THEM OUT.<br />
AND copyRIGHT is like all rights something that can and should be taken away for abuse.</p>
<p>HOW does a 95 year copyright benefit socoety , or even 50 year sas it is in canada.</p>
<p>Want quality instead of quantity?<br />
Make music , movies et all at 10 years.<br />
This FORCES lazy , crappy artists and rich snobby pathetic businessmen to invest MORE WISELY in what they promote and how they promote it ( aka as cheap as possible to get the most return on investment to as many as possible )<br />
instead of 30$ CDRS like i saw last time i was in a music shop.<br />
SICK i tell ya,</p>
<p>AND HOW is 16.07 pop and popcorn with a 1$ savings ANY FRAKING savings at all you greedy bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Per-Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per-Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should compare this to an easy to understand situation for the judges. Like the traffic police have to check all cars for illegal material no matter if they are driving two minutes to the store or hours out of the country. And you will have to recheck the car at every intersection since it could have been modified on the way. No way you can do that without practically halting all communications and flow of goods in a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should compare this to an easy to understand situation for the judges. Like the traffic police have to check all cars for illegal material no matter if they are driving two minutes to the store or hours out of the country. And you will have to recheck the car at every intersection since it could have been modified on the way. No way you can do that without practically halting all communications and flow of goods in a country.</p>
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		<title>By: p2p</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497618</link>
		<dc:creator>p2p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>change the World,change those fucking aanti-p laws.All problems solved,it&#039;s finally the time!!!</description>
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		<title>By: design</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isp-its-impossible-for-us-to-stop-illegal-p2p-080923/#comment-497602</link>
		<dc:creator>design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What one does with the bought bandwidth is none of the bloody ISPs business. End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What one does with the bought bandwidth is none of the bloody ISPs business. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2    Duh! We&#039;ve been waiting for more then a year for a new government, our policetop is covered in a illegal promotions for secretary scandal ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2    Duh! We&#8217;ve been waiting for more then a year for a new government, our policetop is covered in a illegal promotions for secretary scandal &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if really want to do filter learn from china . invest billions to build a filter center.</description>
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		<title>By: mrmigu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmigu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all of these organizations have the wrong outlook on this.  it is impossible to stop pirating.  The only way to combat it would be to make paying for content easier.  Since their is little cost needed to spread content (piraters are doing so for free....) charge less for the content and have more people willing to pay.  Perhaps partner with isp&#039;s to include a fee in the cost of internet access.

if scarlet has to pay 75000 euro a month, (2,500 x 30), why not spread that cost to the customer?  Assuming they have 10,000 customers(.1% of belgiums population), that would mean an extra 7.5 euro a month for internt.  Is the peace of mind that you aren&#039;t breaking the law by downloading copyright material, or that your internet wont be throttled/cut off not worth that much more?  

Including commercials in free online content would also be plausible.  Its been how tv makes money for years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all of these organizations have the wrong outlook on this.  it is impossible to stop pirating.  The only way to combat it would be to make paying for content easier.  Since their is little cost needed to spread content (piraters are doing so for free&#8230;.) charge less for the content and have more people willing to pay.  Perhaps partner with isp&#8217;s to include a fee in the cost of internet access.</p>
<p>if scarlet has to pay 75000 euro a month, (2,500 x 30), why not spread that cost to the customer?  Assuming they have 10,000 customers(.1% of belgiums population), that would mean an extra 7.5 euro a month for internt.  Is the peace of mind that you aren&#8217;t breaking the law by downloading copyright material, or that your internet wont be throttled/cut off not worth that much more?  </p>
<p>Including commercials in free online content would also be plausible.  Its been how tv makes money for years</p>
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