You mean to say, that Data Protection and Privacy Laws won’t be superceded by this? That is promising!

And if the worst comes to the worst we switch ISP’s, or go to the EU…I do think the European Court of Rights would look dimly on these proposals!

Usenet > p2p

As someone who only uses legal downloading sites, I welcome this.”

ok so i found this from another site comment but I just wanted to point out that when you download you do not steal as nothing is taken…. if i was to steal you car and leave it burnt out in a feild i could understand you beeing pissed, but if i walked passed your car and said thats nice ill make a copy and drive my copy then your bitching is only because you don’t feel as exclusive as you think you should…. get over yourself. copying is only enriching the masses not empoverishing the ellite – as (without copying) i would now just not listen to music or use software. so thanks to copying my life has been enriched and has not effected the profits of others – i simply would not have payed for anything i just would have lived without – as i did B4 computers and copying.

beetle homemade japanese killer…

No data is untraceable in the forseeable future. Remember Johnny Mnemonic? He will have existed for exactly that reason. The film is on TPB and the short story by William Gibson is at: http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/johnny_mnemonic/

telewest has a 2 day retention and virgin has a 9 day retention.

But like the last BPI involvement, it will peter out and die off

http://www.fileprompt.com

People who use NZBs will be able to access the full 70-day retention range of Highwinds backend servers.

At least that’s how it is on other ISPs that use highwinds-owned servers for Usenet.

I bet the MAFIAA has these sorts of strategies laid out and ready to implement in their drawers. That’s one main weakness of corporations, especially big corporations. They have to plan ahead so they can justify large investments. And because they need to earn money to satisfy their shareholders it’s easy to predict the general direction they have to move in.

I believe it’s better not to put too much stress on the Usenet and keep using bittorrent, even thought it’s more risky for the individual. The evolution of a network of peers is much harder to predict and control than the Usenet. Not to say that the Usenet has not paved the way for other protocols and pioneered P2P. I think the flexibility of a peer network is one major advantage over the five-year plans of the corporations. The content MAFIAA has already lost the initiative to P2P networking and we shoud stay ahead.

It’s obvious even rumors are scaring them![/quote]
And talking about it publicly can back others in their decision to do the same.

It’s obvious even rumors are scaring them!

The Sunday Telegraph said Virgin was working on a pilot with the British Phonographic Institute which could have seen users sent warning letters, suspended and ultimately banned.

The prospect prompted an angry reaction from some subscribers, including on the Digital Spy forums, and came as the government put pressure on service providers to act against pirates.

However, Virgin today said there was no such plan.

“We have not agreed to the three strikes scheme, not started trials with the BPI or any other rights holder, and not decided to snoop on customers and inspect their data,” said a spokesman.
”

Virgin denies this….

The new server has all the main groups and if you’ve been used to 3 days retention then 7 days is excellent.

If you want to read more on this point your news reader to:
virginmedia.support.usenet

ps the blueyonder text server: text.news.blueyonder.co.uk is unaffected by these changes.

There is no 40mbit tier, planned or otherwise. There is a 50mbit tier that will be offered as a standalone product. It is not an upgrade from 20mbit. Also, there has been no official statement from Virginmedia that this is going to start at all and the BPI has released a press statement saying they have not reached a deal with Virginmedia on this yet. Man this story is so full of holes its not even funny. At least check your sources first Torrentfreak.

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=news/press/news_content_file_1134.shtml

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=news/press/news_content_file_1134.shtml

its NOT happening

I’d rather pay a freaking £5 tax a month and get to download everything I want then pay a £5 charge so the ISP can implement a big-brother technology that they don’t want to foot the bill for.

Creative Commons / Open Source / Freedom of Information-Sharing FTW!!!!

so what ISP should I go for next… that is the burning question. Wll any ever be OK??? Will the internet be taken down so easily, I feel if it ever gets to that point then the revolution will come knocking so fast the fat-cats won’t have time to take off their smoking jackets and hide the mistress in the wardrobe.

oh and lastly Mr.Afghanistan. You my kind sir are a complete and utter tit. to generalise that all British people are idiots is worthy of a damn good thrashing. I think you’ll find it’s a lot easier saying that it takes stupid (mad & emotional?!) people to let stuff like this happen here in the UK, when in actual fact actually trying to halt policies that are forced in like this thanks to corruption and $$$-hungry bottom-feeders, then you’ll see it’s not as cut&dry.

with government imposing their version i cannot wait for the knock on effect.
in effect it will change the rules of time for everything i.e post offices

if the law states they have to check every single packet for copyrighted.
then the post office would also be required to open every single post/letter too.
it would then role down to other company’s/businesses that operate online.

soon as anything you legally own copyrighted gets through you can sue then.
if you get spam/viruses anything that harm the pc then the ISP is at fault for
not checking the packets and the data to also see if its safe/copyrighted.

oOh the mess this is going to cause world wide is out of this world.

isp’s going to be shutting their doors, media companys will go bust.
as people who get kicked offline will start world wide boycotts of the media industry
i mean if you get your net cut off, you really think your going to go give money
to the shop on purchases that goes back to the industry who screwed you over? ha

look at the mess creative labs is in world wide now over daniel_k a normal user
making the drivers work for vista OS and creative has stoped all his hard work.
Shops all over the country will not now sell the X-FI creative cards boycotting it.
this happened in just 2 days flat, creatives stock has now fallen 6.7 % in a day!

Next hard-drive makers will go out of business pointless having 1tb or more drives.
pointless even having 600gb or less drives since there is no content to mass store.

optical media companys will also be put out of business no point having burners
or even blank media to store mass content on as backups as their would be nothing
legal to warrant buying or using mass storage since its sole purpose is to “store”

This will then hit graphics card makers, DivX Company and DivX players/hardware.
what legal company or service allows you to downloads DivX format AVI ???

All your mp3 makers will also go out of business as their wont be anyway to
download bare DRM free media Amazon and other Stores will go back to DRM content.

Millions on millions on millions of devices sold world wide will be no longer needed.
they make DivX players in their millions and to this day i fail to see what legal store
you can buy to play your DivX player??? nothing exists but funny enough
companys keep making millions of these players when in reality if you look at it.
all these DivX Content is Pirated content,

Welcome to the World of the Screwed up .. cannot wait

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=news/press/news_content_file_1134.shtml

R u on crak u frikin monkey. Fuk the conservatives and David Cammeron. Stoopid Twaaatin moron.

They’re trying to prevent a global network from forming.

They’ve been watching too much sci-fi & they’re scared Skynet is going to take over.

I’ve done a quick search through the responses and couldn’t find STM (throttling) mentioned. It’s all very well to pay for 20Mb, but half the time you won’t be getting it. STM now kicks in earlier, from around 1PM to 9PM – That nice 20Mb becomes 5Mb for 5 hours should you download over 3GB within the allocated time frame.

So in summary: 3 strikes your out, STM & Phorm – Not looking promising for VM is it.

Usenet is *HUGE*. It averages at least 3-4TB a day, probably more, since those figures are quite old by now.

Almost all scene releases get posted to the newsgroups. All TV shows, all DVDrips, all games, etc. It’s rare that I can’t find the latest release of something posted to one group or another. The only thing is that the newsgroups continuously cycle off the oldest stuff to make room for the new. Even so, if there’s something specific you want, a polite request will often get it reposted for you.

It may seem like newsgroups are more work at first, but once you get the hang of them, it’s no big deal.

As for being monitored, I don’t know what VM does, but most newsgroup providers don’t keep download logs. If you have a set quota, they will keep a running tally of how much you’ve downloaded, but they don’t care WHAT you download. If you UPLOAD to the newsgroups, you can be traced, but unlike P2P networks, when you download, that’s ALL you’re doing. You don’t upload unless you specifically go out of your way to post something.

Also, contrary to what the media says, the music and movie industries don’t sue DOWNLOADERS. They sue UPLOADERS. When you use P2P software, you’re both and it’s the uploading that they get you for. No company is going to waste the time and money it would cost to take someone to court for downloading a song or movie. Whatever they might win wouldn’t even cover them getting out of the bed in the morning.

I’m not saying that downloading from the newgroups wouldn’t get you kicked off VM, IF they monitor what you download, but you’re not going to get sued over it.

You can always get an account with a professional Usenet provider too. Most have 30-120 days of retention and close to 99% completion rate for posted files. If you find one that supports SSL, even your ISP won’t know what you’re downloading.

The only downside to Usenet is that you usually have to pay to get good access. Astraweb sells blocks of credit and has unlimited accounts for $15 a month ($10 if you can accept a slower donload speed).

http://news.astraweb.com

Don’t take the free Usenet deal, I’m sure they will remove the top groups such as boneless, dvdr, xvid, and probably all the porn groups. Just move on to another ISP or use IRC.

I bet the MAFIAA has these sorts of strategies laid out and ready to implement in their drawers. That’s one main weakness of corporations, especially big corporations. They have to plan ahead so they can justify large investments. And because they need to earn money to satisfy their shareholders it’s easy to predict the general direction they have to move in.

I believe it’s better not to put too much stress on the Usenet and keep using bittorrent, even thought it’s more risky for the individual. The evolution of a network of peers is much harder to predict and control than the Usenet. I think the flexibility of a peer network is one major advantage over the five-year plans of the corporations. The content MAFIAA has already lost the initiative to P2P networking and we shoud stay ahead.

AND your showing vigin how stupid they are being so I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-thought their usenet plans.

It’s one of those moments, when you think your being smart, but your really just showing them the flaw in their plan before they commit.