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	<title>Comments on: ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement</title>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-559203</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An author with a good web presence do can do ok out of Piracy. 
Lawrence Watt Evans publishes his books on line and for 5 dollars he sends you the chapter as soon as it is written(thats not 5 a chapter thats for the whole book) the thing is most of his books are available unoffically on P2P people pick up on it and send the 5 dollars anyway.
and some put in a bit extra for the books they didnt &quot;pay for&quot; I hope more people would operate like this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An author with a good web presence do can do ok out of Piracy.<br />
Lawrence Watt Evans publishes his books on line and for 5 dollars he sends you the chapter as soon as it is written(thats not 5 a chapter thats for the whole book) the thing is most of his books are available unoffically on P2P people pick up on it and send the 5 dollars anyway.<br />
and some put in a bit extra for the books they didnt &#8220;pay for&#8221; I hope more people would operate like this</p>
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		<title>By: Orlusha</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-558910</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlusha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the days of Soviet socialism the approach of Bautista was called &quot;uravnilovka&quot;, that is &quot;levelling&quot;. It lead USSR to crash.

&quot;The source of piracy is the unleashed greediness of labels&quot;, -- said Mick Box in Moscow 2006 at Rock Against the Piracy festival. The whole world heard him. You see, talentless people are becoming as greedy as labels. It intimidates greatly. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the days of Soviet socialism the approach of Bautista was called &#8220;uravnilovka&#8221;, that is &#8220;levelling&#8221;. It lead USSR to crash.</p>
<p>&#8220;The source of piracy is the unleashed greediness of labels&#8221;, &#8212; said Mick Box in Moscow 2006 at Rock Against the Piracy festival. The whole world heard him. You see, talentless people are becoming as greedy as labels. It intimidates greatly. :(</p>
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		<title>By: FairnessFairy</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556768</link>
		<dc:creator>FairnessFairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 06:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give them a mile and they want 10 miles. 

They want to TAX people for piracy but then they want to ban piracy. Which means, ultimately, if they succeed and no one is pirating, they will still be charging a tax.

I swear. Time for extreme measures.

All-you-can eat TV/Movies through torrents is fine with me. If they tax my connection, I&#039;ll just hook up 2 cups to a string and see how data modulation works on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them a mile and they want 10 miles. </p>
<p>They want to TAX people for piracy but then they want to ban piracy. Which means, ultimately, if they succeed and no one is pirating, they will still be charging a tax.</p>
<p>I swear. Time for extreme measures.</p>
<p>All-you-can eat TV/Movies through torrents is fine with me. If they tax my connection, I&#8217;ll just hook up 2 cups to a string and see how data modulation works on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556708</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im the same poster as above:

Also wanted to add that this entire piracy war is just a way for people to blame their losses on the consumer for not buying their shitty product/service. 

This blame game doesnt play well with the people. We BUY your shit, so please dont blame us for every other piece of shit movie or game or musical CD you make.

If you make something well enough, It WILL make money, i guarantee it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im the same poster as above:</p>
<p>Also wanted to add that this entire piracy war is just a way for people to blame their losses on the consumer for not buying their shitty product/service. </p>
<p>This blame game doesnt play well with the people. We BUY your shit, so please dont blame us for every other piece of shit movie or game or musical CD you make.</p>
<p>If you make something well enough, It WILL make money, i guarantee it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556706</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, This entire war against piracy seems so stupid. The main reason this is such an issue is because people think Piracy is the reason why studio execs and musical artists are losing money with releases of their pieces of media. The real problem is people making shitty pieces of media, and expecting US to buy them.

Put some damn work into your projects u damn studio executives, and stop blaming ISPs and the average ISP user for downloading things off the internet.I reserve the right to download whatever the hell i want to download, WITHOUT your authorization, oh great piracy overlord.Be less money grubbing, and more about QUALITY, and less about the quick dollar. Then lets see how that affects their profits. That means GREAT profits.

Take for example, Iron Man, by marvel.

Movie was great,funny, action packed, and had a great script. On screen it came together witht he work of the hardworking crew and directors. 
Did they complain about losing money?
no.

Checkmate. Any other points these people wanna make? Same goes for musical artists and game creators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, This entire war against piracy seems so stupid. The main reason this is such an issue is because people think Piracy is the reason why studio execs and musical artists are losing money with releases of their pieces of media. The real problem is people making shitty pieces of media, and expecting US to buy them.</p>
<p>Put some damn work into your projects u damn studio executives, and stop blaming ISPs and the average ISP user for downloading things off the internet.I reserve the right to download whatever the hell i want to download, WITHOUT your authorization, oh great piracy overlord.Be less money grubbing, and more about QUALITY, and less about the quick dollar. Then lets see how that affects their profits. That means GREAT profits.</p>
<p>Take for example, Iron Man, by marvel.</p>
<p>Movie was great,funny, action packed, and had a great script. On screen it came together witht he work of the hardworking crew and directors.<br />
Did they complain about losing money?<br />
no.</p>
<p>Checkmate. Any other points these people wanna make? Same goes for musical artists and game creators.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO, this is hilarious. History repeats itself on so many occasions, governement intervention on civil liberties never works. Notice: 

&quot;Internet users or consumer groups were not represented in these discussions&quot;.

Just like when England refused to let the taxpayers be represented before the Revolutionary War, and we all know what happened there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, this is hilarious. History repeats itself on so many occasions, governement intervention on civil liberties never works. Notice: </p>
<p>&#8220;Internet users or consumer groups were not represented in these discussions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just like when England refused to let the taxpayers be represented before the Revolutionary War, and we all know what happened there.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556565</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PUTA SGAE partida de ladrones mafiosos
Well done in Spain.

Spain is one of the few countries, were copying for non-profit purposes is still technically legal, something which the major labels are desperate to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PUTA SGAE partida de ladrones mafiosos<br />
Well done in Spain.</p>
<p>Spain is one of the few countries, were copying for non-profit purposes is still technically legal, something which the major labels are desperate to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 04:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the actually do start charging customers for that doesn&#039;t that give them carte blanch to download stuff owned by the companies that are receiving the fees? You would have already &quot;paid&quot; for the use of their products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the actually do start charging customers for that doesn&#8217;t that give them carte blanch to download stuff owned by the companies that are receiving the fees? You would have already &#8220;paid&#8221; for the use of their products.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveO</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556523</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just seems to me that everyone is trying to charge for everything all the time. MORE MORE MORE. thats the mentalitay of everyone. Even the pirates. Im gettin everything i can because they are coming for us. To hell with them. They will have their way at any cost. SO i will give up the internet, and go back to having a life. But im taking EVERYTHING I can until then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just seems to me that everyone is trying to charge for everything all the time. MORE MORE MORE. thats the mentalitay of everyone. Even the pirates. Im gettin everything i can because they are coming for us. To hell with them. They will have their way at any cost. SO i will give up the internet, and go back to having a life. But im taking EVERYTHING I can until then.</p>
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		<title>By: ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement &#8230; &#171; Copyright</title>
		<link>http://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement-090501/#comment-556503</link>
		<dc:creator>ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement &#8230; &#171; Copyright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mo&#173;&#173;r&#173;e h&#173;er&#173;e: ISPs an&#173;d C&#173;opyr&#173;ig&#173;ht&#173; Hol&#173;der&#173;s F&#173;ail&#173; t&#173;o R&amp;#17... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mo&#173;&#173;r&#173;e h&#173;er&#173;e: ISPs an&#173;d C&#173;opyr&#173;ig&#173;ht&#173; Hol&#173;der&#173;s F&#173;ail&#173; t&#173;o R&amp;#17&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35 euros a year for broadband is not all they want. The full list is below:

- ADSL or cable: 35 euros
- Multifunction Printer: $ 10
- Camera: 9 euros
- CD or DVD recorder: 16 euros

Seeing as I have multiple printers, cameras and DVD recorders. I would have to pay around 150 euros a year and I don&#039;t even pirate. Guess what if I have to pay then I get to play!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35 euros a year for broadband is not all they want. The full list is below:</p>
<p>- ADSL or cable: 35 euros<br />
- Multifunction Printer: $ 10<br />
- Camera: 9 euros<br />
- CD or DVD recorder: 16 euros</p>
<p>Seeing as I have multiple printers, cameras and DVD recorders. I would have to pay around 150 euros a year and I don&#8217;t even pirate. Guess what if I have to pay then I get to play!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want it in english:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=n&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adslzone.net%2Farticle2547-pagaremos-35-euros-de-canon-al-ano-por-cada-linea-adsl.html&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want it in english:<br />
<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=n&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adslzone.net%2Farticle2547-pagaremos-35-euros-de-canon-al-ano-por-cada-linea-adsl.html&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=n&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adslzone.net%2Farticle2547-pagaremos-35-euros-de-canon-al-ano-por-cada-linea-adsl.html&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement &#124; News Inventory</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement &#124; News Inventory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: riaarard</title>
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		<dc:creator>riaarard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The motor vehicle manufacturers are in serious financial . They should get taxpayers to pay the police to bust people that car pool. They should also sue all people that take public transportation. They should sue people for allowing others to use their cars. They should also just sue everyone, even if they don&#039;t own a car, because everyone is guilty of stealing their profits. Sue everyone for your losses because surely everyone who doesnt buy a car iis complicite in causing you financial losses. Accuse everyone of being a criminal and throw them in jail because they won&#039;t buy your car.

Yeah. That makes perfect sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The motor vehicle manufacturers are in serious financial . They should get taxpayers to pay the police to bust people that car pool. They should also sue all people that take public transportation. They should sue people for allowing others to use their cars. They should also just sue everyone, even if they don&#8217;t own a car, because everyone is guilty of stealing their profits. Sue everyone for your losses because surely everyone who doesnt buy a car iis complicite in causing you financial losses. Accuse everyone of being a criminal and throw them in jail because they won&#8217;t buy your car.</p>
<p>Yeah. That makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: ar31an</title>
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		<dc:creator>ar31an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement http://www.tech3d.net/2009/05/01/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement/

Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; ISPs and Copyright Holders Fail to Reach Piracy Agreement <a href="http://www.tech3d.net/2009/05/01/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tech3d.net/2009/05/01/isps-and-copyright-holders-fail-to-reach-piracy-agreement/</a></p>
<p>Good.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainydays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rainydays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nutz! They want the ISP to keep customer data, turn over there paying customers to the hounds if illegal sharing was involved. Then they want ISP to surcharge the innocent people. Someone will have to collect the money. It just leaves room for another entity to make life more complicated, privacy out the door, and miss-use of money. 

A poll in America showed that more then 50% people wants a smaller government. I can only assume this to be more so in those foreign countries where people have less freedom then we do. Companies need to be weakened in power along with the government. A primary example is the &quot;Three Strikes Law&quot;. I doubt the people voted that one to get it passed. 

Countries need to be ran by the people. Not corporations and government. The government should act as the reflection of the peoples will. I just don&#039;t see that anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nutz! They want the ISP to keep customer data, turn over there paying customers to the hounds if illegal sharing was involved. Then they want ISP to surcharge the innocent people. Someone will have to collect the money. It just leaves room for another entity to make life more complicated, privacy out the door, and miss-use of money. </p>
<p>A poll in America showed that more then 50% people wants a smaller government. I can only assume this to be more so in those foreign countries where people have less freedom then we do. Companies need to be weakened in power along with the government. A primary example is the &#8220;Three Strikes Law&#8221;. I doubt the people voted that one to get it passed. </p>
<p>Countries need to be ran by the people. Not corporations and government. The government should act as the reflection of the peoples will. I just don&#8217;t see that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Telefonica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Telefonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we disconnected people on your terms, we&#039;d have no customers by the end of the week.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we disconnected people on your terms, we&#8217;d have no customers by the end of the week.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: littlefishy</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlefishy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about someone make a movie where using the internet they gather resources(money) to make a film and when its all done if there is any proceedings distribute it to all that supported that?

Wow! God forbid sharing  the proceedings with the pirates LoL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about someone make a movie where using the internet they gather resources(money) to make a film and when its all done if there is any proceedings distribute it to all that supported that?</p>
<p>Wow! God forbid sharing  the proceedings with the pirates LoL</p>
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