“The source of piracy is the unleashed greediness of labels”, — said Mick Box in Moscow 2006 at Rock Against the Piracy festival. The whole world heard him. You see, talentless people are becoming as greedy as labels. It intimidates greatly. :(

They want to TAX people for piracy but then they want to ban piracy. Which means, ultimately, if they succeed and no one is pirating, they will still be charging a tax.

I swear. Time for extreme measures.

All-you-can eat TV/Movies through torrents is fine with me. If they tax my connection, I’ll just hook up 2 cups to a string and see how data modulation works on it.

Also wanted to add that this entire piracy war is just a way for people to blame their losses on the consumer for not buying their shitty product/service.

This blame game doesnt play well with the people. We BUY your shit, so please dont blame us for every other piece of shit movie or game or musical CD you make.

If you make something well enough, It WILL make money, i guarantee it.

Put some damn work into your projects u damn studio executives, and stop blaming ISPs and the average ISP user for downloading things off the internet.I reserve the right to download whatever the hell i want to download, WITHOUT your authorization, oh great piracy overlord.Be less money grubbing, and more about QUALITY, and less about the quick dollar. Then lets see how that affects their profits. That means GREAT profits.

Take for example, Iron Man, by marvel.

Movie was great,funny, action packed, and had a great script. On screen it came together witht he work of the hardworking crew and directors.
Did they complain about losing money?
no.

Checkmate. Any other points these people wanna make? Same goes for musical artists and game creators.

“Internet users or consumer groups were not represented in these discussions”.

Just like when England refused to let the taxpayers be represented before the Revolutionary War, and we all know what happened there.

Spain is one of the few countries, were copying for non-profit purposes is still technically legal, something which the major labels are desperate to change.

- ADSL or cable: 35 euros
- Multifunction Printer: $ 10
- Camera: 9 euros
- CD or DVD recorder: 16 euros

Seeing as I have multiple printers, cameras and DVD recorders. I would have to pay around 150 euros a year and I don’t even pirate. Guess what if I have to pay then I get to play!

Yeah. That makes perfect sense.

Good.

A poll in America showed that more then 50% people wants a smaller government. I can only assume this to be more so in those foreign countries where people have less freedom then we do. Companies need to be weakened in power along with the government. A primary example is the “Three Strikes Law”. I doubt the people voted that one to get it passed.

Countries need to be ran by the people. Not corporations and government. The government should act as the reflection of the peoples will. I just don’t see that anymore.

Wow! God forbid sharing the proceedings with the pirates LoL

Sure they can get some money out of taxes but probably will be screwd by the government and
cry wolf after LoL

This is a historical moment when old models agonize in terrible pain.

Entertaiment is a commodity is viewed as a commodity and the people behind it are just pissing their sponsors.

Have been years since I download a music file let alone buy something from this people. I’m looking for alternatives and even those horrible horrible LoLCats(but funny) are better entertaiment for me right now.

How is revision3 making money? They distribute their content over torrents, how are they getting paid for? and for now at least I don’t see them crying about piracy because they already distribute in a way people want no need to go to other places to catch another version.

And then there is the “Sanctuary” series that started as a WEB series and was bought by some network.

Well slowly but surely new models will evolve and dinosaurs will die out.

People are just waiting for something new and when it happens and in droves they abandon the MAFIAA and theirs precious contente it will be the death blow to an entire industry of morons LoL

Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! and Boom!

7 enemies objectives Destroyed. Over.

End of execution.

Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! and Boom!

7 enemies objectifs Destroyed. Over.

End of execution.

EPIC FAIL.

This is like Canada where all blank media has a TAX but then they expect you NOT to .torrent.

Oh please GTFO the internet you greedy MOFO`s

“Hmmm…thirty euro monthly…right…hang on…what’s this…surcharge to help offset piracy? Money goes to copyright holders? But I don’t even watch movies or anything? I’m paying extra because OTHER PEOPLE are illegally downloading? Surely they should chase down these pirates with hard evidence that will stand up in a courtroom (something more than a screenshot and a pretty graph) and fine them! Not take my hard-earned money!”

This kind of attitude from copyright holders will turn users like you into full-fledged pirates.

Yep, that was me until about a year ago, heh heh heh.

They managed to impose a tax on blank copy medias such as discs and so on in many countries regardless of the use you can have for them (i.e. totally unrelated to piracy) what should it be different with this project of an internet connection tax?

They want to tax internet access but still disconnect file sharers? How does this make sense? They just are greedy bastards.

There is hope though. I remember when I used to live in France and mobile phones operators were imposed to charge talk time by the second not the minute.

@ 23 who says their products are overpriced : well, not really. Especially when it comes down to music. You can download albums for next to nothing now. The real problem is you get a lossy version crippled by DRM, and the library available is just pathetic.

Now, why should we pay for something of lower quality than a product we can have for free?

I mostly download music from before 1970, preferably in FLAC. Why should I pay for 250kbps versions of those albums I can’t play on the music player of my choice? Why should I pay for music created by dead artists? The costs involved in making this music available has already been covered many times.

In the case of remasters, the engineer involved should get compensation but 1. remastered albums generally suck 2. it doesn’t cost that much to do.

Right now, all we can hope for is that the European Parliament will make a stand for the citizens’ rights. If it was ever a time to call your MP and tell him your opinion, now’s that time.

Talk about disorganized governments!

They can’t come to an agreement like that, the SGAE is essentially saying “we think all your users are pirates, so sacrifice the entire future of your business to appease us.”

And expect them to comply purely on allegation.

Where do we legally punch these guys in the face, I want to know.

I believe this is one of the many layers of misconceptions showing these sort of groups have no idea.

almost like a network stack …but of misconception :-)

1. all users are pirates.
2. actually only some are.
3. of the ones who are pirates only a small number would not actually buy the product anyway.
4. of the ones who are pirates a large number are avid consumers and downloading the content helps them decide on a later purchase.
5. your industry has a history of projecting profit (in this case loss) far beyond what is actually correct.
6. fundamentally your products are actually too expensive.
7. even more fundamentally your product isn’t that good.
8. As you are essentially running an organization which uses a model of profit and advantage in the same way a predatory criminal network operates.

moral resolution:
pirate the content and send some money to the author… *shock horror*. Doing this may even give the author a bigger share of the profit than the publisher would have provided.

Thats like me charging you because you “might” read this post – then banning you from TF if you actually read it!

THe more you PUSH the more parties get formed and like your neo conservatives we shall be brothers and help one another. meet at golf when we’re old ( of course we’ll drink and party and have more fun then you ) and unlike YOU we shall listen to the people.

We shall mandate NO bribing of politicians, they are elected by the people for what they stood for and not for some lobby group to bribe them off.

After the governments own the internet will a free press exsist?
The newspapers are all failing.

Wake up, Rage against this horseshit.
When the internet becomes unusable and we all disconnect, the mpaa and the ifpi will at last have what they really want. Instead of making use of the extrordinary marketing tool it could be.