ISPs End Anti-Piracy Talks With Entertainment Industry
Written by enigmax on June 19, 2009Internet service providers in Spain have now ended all government mandated talks with the music and movie industry after earlier refusing to disconnect alleged pirates. The talks were supposed to reduce online piracy but the ISPs say this is impossible if legal alternatives aren’t provided.
The president of Redtel, the ISP association consisting of Telefonica, Vodafone, Orange and Ono, has confirmed what some have been fearing since talks with the entertainment industry were suspended back in April. Miguel Canalejo said that negotiations with the Coalition of Creators to find some mutually acceptable ground for government legislation on illicit file-sharing, are finished.
The coalition, headed by SGAE and Promusicae, took the now-common stance of demanding that ISPs implement a “3 strikes” strategy for alleged online pirates, but this was rightly dismissed by the ISPs. The rights holders then came back with a new demand to throttle alleged file-sharers instead. The ISPs refused this request too.
According to Canalejo, the other major reason why negotiations broke down was the failure of the content providers to provide an attractive legal alternative to illicit file-sharing. “Piracy is not a phenomenon that must be pursued and demonized,” he said, while branding the currently provided legal alternatives as “derisory”.
To reduce piracy, the ISPs made the suggestion to the Ministry of Industry that it should create a portal to offer music, movies and games.
“Content providers should have a more entrepreneurial approach. They are defending a traditional distribution model and we’re creating a new business,” said Canalejo.
Noting that any changes should come through awareness and education, Canalejo said that negotiations with rights holder could only resume when the government becomes open about its plans for measures against file-sharing, adding that any measures must “protect Internet users and give legal certainty to ISPs.”
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Good on em…..
sensible people getting to sensible conclusions
At least ISPs have some sense lol.
You got to see the look on this ‘lady’s’ face in this news article -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8105015.stm
Bout sums up how I feel bout this…
cool story bro :)
M3RC –>
nice pic :) :)
Mi cago en la leche…Vamos Espana!!!
Amazing. A group of ISPs that actually seem to understand the internet and have common sense.
All I want to know is as Vodafone and Orange are involved in this. When will we hear the same from them over here in the UK.
manky strikes again with a tired meme!
neostyles and reasoned mind come in over
neostyles and reasoned mind come in. do you copy?
lolol they never seem to be around when the news is bad for them.
@4: That’s from little britain, it’s not an actual person.
spain will fold. they are in opposition to the berne convention, do not meet EU guidelines and miserably fail the three step test.
their obstinacy can not last.
lol another words they said unless you can give us a alternative instead of alienating all our customers by throwing them in jail and fining them, for downloading of your music, or movies for personal use. Then the answer is no. lol finally people with some common sense like the people at the pirate bay
It’ll just be about money again. If it was profitable for the ISPs to pwn your asses, they would.
I salute you spain.
To torrent freak. Can I use this name as it isnt copyrighted. Or are you censoring all my comments cause someone asked you to?
Spain ’s looking better and better these days :)
@ 9 I’m the real manky
cool story bro :)
Reasoned Mind stop crying redneck
cool story bro :)
damn you fakers grrr
Good, but don’t get your hopes too high yet. The current Minister of Culture is in cahoots with SGAE and the movie industry.
if its about money and revenue and taxes
then the USER base of 22 billion a year out strips what Hollywood is worth that’s the end game
if people turn off the net enmass then it adds what to a global recession , THATS RIGHT more unemployed
perhaps lessening there length of terms might make it easier to police less amounts a garbage er stuff, as its already well proven that LONG copyright HURTS the economy
SO in effect hollywood is becoming ECONOMIC TERRORISTS
as an actor or musician DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU A TERRORIST?
hurray for the spanish ISP’s!
Copyright stifle competition and harm the economy more people would be gaining money making other versions of music and selling it to a lot of people in the form of show tickets if it’s was not for the actual copyright laws that says otherwise.
It hurts society abilities to function and prosper.
its amazing, they are told by ISPs who most likely can be considered as successful businessmen/companies that they *have* to offer an alternative …i bet they won’t listen though, even if it would mean for certain sectors to make shitloads of more money
And people think that privacy it’s not important if it was up to the government and these lazy artists we would have no rights at all.
The industry wants everybody to pay a cascade style payment system.
When you go to a bar that bar will have to charge you for the music, when you go to the gym you have to pay every month for the music you listen hell maybe they will charge parks too, circus and other business.
Actually I hope the record labels get their way. They have no idea what will happen to their business model down the road, but I will tell you this it won’t be pretty for them.
Universities Struggling To Deal With Law Requiring Them To Fight File Sharing
http://techdirt.com/articles/20090618/0337155278.shtml
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http://www.zoomtorrents.com
<3 Spain ISPs
Just need other countries to follow this example.
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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11712
Quote from physorg.com
I will be running this on the MAFIAA website to see how much BS there is over there LoL
I just got told.
Hard…..
For some reason “legal alternatives” is really scares me.
The German “ZENSURULA” campaign that Anonymous is linking to is REALLY important for net freedom in Europe’s largest country.
http://netzpolitik.org/2009/the-dawning-of-internet-censorship-in-germany/
Once the German authorities had the child porn filter in place, it’s a slippery slope downhill from there…
If any country should go be EXTRA careful due to historical reasons it’s probably DE — Good on the German net community to protest all the way on this.
If it’s nipped in the bud in DE hopefully other countries will write off the whole idea as a non-starter.
Child pornography and “terrorism” — these CONVENIENT excuses are so old and so hard to fight since nobody wants to defend it.
OMG, so funny, so sad…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcP3V9bgUoI
“Emily of the State” a Canadian parody about the government snooping on citizens online.
This is the ultimate nightmare that we all most struggle against.
I think there’s a type in the title..
End > And?
MPAA RIAA are terrorists plain and simple WE NEED TO MAKE A ARMY AND FIGHT THEM
SAVE YOUR COUNTRY
do not allow them to win
one path toe fredome
The funny part is that the MAFIAA wants us(the people) to pay the cost of things that ultimately will be bad for us.
They want us to bend over and say “c’mom guys take it like men”.
Would you pay your enemies lawyers to sue you for millions?
That is what they want and they wonder why people are against it LoL
Copyright it’s not in the best interest of society.
The Movie and Music Industry fight against piracy is no different than say having an 8-track tape company trying to sue everyone because they want their music on a different medium. The introduction of the iTunes store to buy single songs online was a step in the right direction, but they could sell 20 times the songs if they sold them for 20 cents each and not a buck. Why not show movies online like NetFlix in the USA does? You cannot copy them. You could easily have 300 million people a day watching every movie out in the theaters on day one for a buck or two instead of expecting them to pay 12 bucks to sit behind someone big poofy hair-do and have the back of their seat kicked for 2 hrs by some fidgety kid.
It is not the product people want to steal, it is the timeliness and how you deliver the product that is failing miserably. You will go the way of the do-do or even better the auto-makers if you don’t get off your high horse and come out of the box you tend to think in.
People laugh about selling T-shirts to survive but some people embraced it and are counting them as cd sales because you buy a T-shirt and receive a digital code to download an album.
http://techdirt.com/articles/20090619/1705245296.shtml
The industry wasted time suing everyone of instead looking for solutions. When you waste time fighting you don’t have time to create solutions that is why this people should starve.
what warms my heart is that at the current rate of piracy the industry will start to die die in 5-10 years and won’t have money to spend on movies, and instead refocus on making better movies. be patient guys the people who will lose most always hate technology despite new technology liberating people.
this rogue ISP’s don’t know whats legal and what’s illegal just because spain is a socialist country with no concern for international doesn’t mean it will stay that way for long, why do you people assume that piracy is harmless …YOU ARE STEALING PEOPLES LIVELIHOODS how do you expect society to function if you cant find the decency in yourselves to pay for something, you freetard open source freaks
stop buying cds & dvds
Start buying T-Shirts LoL
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-12/st_thompson
ps: Ok! I’m laughing but is about the CD sales compared to T-Shirt sales, that according to wired is a market of 40 billion dollars a year that is huge dude.
I’m never paying for music again, not ever, those artist can starve and I wouldn’t care.
The only people stealing peoples livelihoods are the people suing mothers for 2 million dollars, suing 10 year old children, suing people who don’t own a computer, suing printers for a stream of revenue that it’s obviously long gone and even though they have other stream revenues those greedy lazy bastards are pushing for more laws and charging more and more what a bunch of crookes.
It is not enough to get paid for a gig now they want to own the airwaves and the internet too.
I’m not paying a cent if I can help it.
@ 48..
Ill add that the only people who truly ruin peoples livelihoods are the people who leech and then sell content on the streets..
I will never pay for another piece of content again until the movie\music industry stop their propaganda campaign and every other anti-piracy campaign..
LOL, like any measures will ever stop piracy, I mean get real already!
RT
http://www.anon-tools.tk
Its our fault (the people) really, in a few years there will be internet surveillance and the excuse will be Terrorism with the slogan: If youre not a terrorist, youve got nothing to hide right?
and the people will actually be stupid enough to say, yeah hes right let them track our internet and catch those filthy terrorists!!
ignorant idiots
@ 48 Jun 20, 2009 at 17:04 by neostyles
“this rogue ISP’s don’t know whats legal and what’s illegal just because spain is a socialist country with no concern for international doesn’t mean it will stay that way for long, why do you people assume that piracy is harmless …YOU ARE STEALING PEOPLES LIVELIHOODS how do you expect society to function if you cant find the decency in yourselves to pay for something, you freetard open source freaks”
Now come on.. I know you’re NOT neostyles. When you become as expert at trolling and as sophisticated as him then perhaps you can come back with your real name. But before you do, please learn how to speak English, as well as how to spell.
ouch
I think all you guys are amazing.
Except for that neostyles guy – he really needs to get a life…..
But we need to channel your comments.
Why not send a letter to your congressman or Senator. Let them know how you feel.
Making comments on the bottom of a Torrentfreak post is cool, but affirmative action gets more results.
I once got 64,000 aussies (via me spamming their ISP’s) to send a fax to their local member (1997) about unfair internet charging and it worked.
The “B” party charging legislation was never passed.
Sure Senator Alston in Oz thought I was a Shmuck – but thats coz I made his legislation look bad and the Politicians got concerned about not being re-elected.
If everyone who reads this article on Torrentfreak sends just one email to their congreeman – it would be on top of the list of political concerns in no time.
I bet every Democrat wants to be re-elected next term.
Just my normal rave about “getting involved”.
I think all you guys are amazing.
Except for that neostyles guy – he really needs to get a life…..
But we need to channel your comments.
Why not send a letter to your congressman or Senator. Let them know how you feel.
Making comments on the bottom of a Torrentfreak post is cool, but affirmative action gets more results.
I once got 64,000 aussies (via me spamming their ISP’s) to send a fax to their local member (1997) about unfair internet charging and it worked.
The “B” party charging legislation was never passed.
Sure Senator Alston in Oz thought I was a Shmuck – but thats coz I made his legislation look bad and the Politicians got concerned about not being re-elected.
If everyone who reads this article on Torrentfreak sends just one email to their congressman – it would be on top of the list of political concerns in no time.
I bet every Democrat wants to be re-elected next term.
Just my normal rave about “getting involved”.
Damn straight
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