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ISPs Landed With Up To 76% of Costs of Sending 3 Strikes Piracy Notices

A considerable decrease in instances of alleged illegal file-sharing after a 3 strikes regime was implemented in New Zealand has resulted in the government refusing to change the prices righthsolders pay to send warnings. Due to rightsholders’ reluctance to send many at this price, ISPs are being denied the benefits of economies of scale associated with processing large amounts of notices. As a result they are out of pocket and in one instance spending four times more than the amount they recover.

Following the introduction last year of 3 strikes style mechanism to deal with the issue of illicit file-sharing, New Zealand rightsholders have been playing a somewhat cautious game.

The Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act was implemented last year but in July 2012 it was revealed that far from sending out large quantities of warnings to deter would-be file-sharers, quite the reverse had happened.

Put off by the $25 NZD (roughly $20 USD) price they have to pay ISPs per notice sent, it was revealed that the movie industry sent out a grand total of zero warnings. The industry said it wanted warning notice prices cut to pennies.

RIANZ, the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand, sent out 2,766 notices between October 2011 and April 2012. The music group asked for warning notice cost price to be cut to around $2 each.

ISPs, on the other hand, claimed that they had geared and costed their systems to deal with a large number of infringement notices. Because that volume hasn’t been forthcoming they are increasingly out of pocket – one ISP asked for warning notices to increase to NZ $104 (approx $83) just to cover costs.

But in a cabinet paper released today by Minister of Commerce Craig Foss, all parties have been told they will have to make the best of the current situation – no change will be made to the NZ $25 notice fee. Minister Foss justified his decision by claiming that even though few notices had gone out, fear of being caught up in the scheme had deterred people from pirating.

“There has been a significant reduction in the volume of illegal file sharing in the first
six months of the regime being in force. This suggests that the level of the fee has
not initially prevented the regime from having the desired outcome,” he wrote.

Foss referenced a Waikato University study that found that traffic downloaded by P2P applications decreased by more than 50% after the legislation came into power last year, and that the overall number of P2P users in January 2012 was roughly half those active in January 2011.

RIANZ agreed that P2P activity was down since September 2011 but pegged the drop at 18%. NZFACT said that from 110,000 infringing movie downloads tracked in August 2011, downloads had now leveled out to between 40,000 and 60,000 per month. NZFACT have sent zero notices so far. “NZFACT submits that the level of the fee is the reason for their non-participation,” the paper reads.

Of course, New Zealand’s 3 strikes regime was targeted at P2P and it was expected that some people would modify their behavior either by hiding their activities or choosing other file-sharing methods. The government said that this had indeed been the case.

“There was growth in the use of tunnelling, remote access and file transfer protocols. These are technical methods that savvy infringers use to hide file sharing downloads,” Foss wrote.

“This growth was nonetheless much smaller than the drop in file sharing, which suggests that only some of the infringers that have stopped using file sharing networks have moved to try other means.”

On ISPs, who are already out of pocket, Foss said that he would not make their position worse.

“While the fee does not allow full cost recovery by IPAPs [Internet Providers], it does allow recovery of an appropriate proportion of their costs, and at a level which appears to be
consistent with similar regimes overseas. Lowering the fee at this time would impose an inappropriate level of costs on IPAPs,” he said.

Whether ISPs agree that they are recovering an “appropriate proportion” of their costs seems debatable. Details of four ISPs are listed in the table below. None are covering their costs and at least one is losing $NZ 76 ($60) on every one sent.

ISP Costs

The paper also reveals the money spent by ISPs to set up the 3 strikes system.

“In addition, IPAPs [ISPs} have incurred significant setup costs in gearing up to comply with the regime. These costs vary between IPAPs depending on the level of systems investment
that has occurred," Foss writes.

"The TCF states that $919,000 [US$730,000] has been spent between Vodafone,
Telecom, TelstraClear, Orcon and CallPlus in setting up for the regime. The highest of
these has been Telecom which submits that it has incurred $360,800 [US$286,500] prior to the regime coming into force.”

Having lobbied intensively, it was expected that Internet users would be getting third strike notices left and right, but only yesterday – 12 months after the introduction of the scheme – was it revealed that a token three individuals are now facing punishment after receiving their third and final warning.

The Justice Ministry confirmed Tuesday that RIANZ would be dragging three individuals, all account holders with the ISP Telecom, before the country’s Copyright Tribunal.

“Telecom takes the issue very seriously and will continue to work with both the Justice Ministry and Rianz to comply with their obligations under the law,” Telecom spokeswoman Jo Jalfon said.

Justice Ministry spokesman Nathan Green confirmed RIANZ were taking action.

“Three applications for an order requiring payment to a rights owner under Section 122(O) of the Copyright Act 1994 have been received from the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand,” he said.

The individuals face “fines” (actually forced compensation payouts to RIANZ) of up to NZ$ 15,000 (US$ 11,900).

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  • McCheezits

    It’s fantastic that people in good old Aotearoa, like me of course, don’t have to fork out more of our hard earned green to pay for systems to handle notices from ‘rights protectors’ like RIANZ, which is related to RIAA and MPAA.
    I kinda like my government at the moment – they’re trying to fix the problems with the country, but they do slip up and introduce new ones.

    Now to go help fix the law that introduced software patents, and go to a hearing on a ‘cyberbullying’ law…

    • Andrew Lee

      CyberbullyingI can see it now :P Andrew Lee you’re under arrest! For what? On blah blah blah did you tell McFluffinDaMuffNstuff to fuck off?
      I don’t know O_o you’re the detective so go detect.

      Sorry your name inspired me lol.

      Now what I want to know is will they be fined if the notice is found to be in error? It can’t just be one way because that’s defiantly not fair.. OH WAIT! They don’t give a fuck about fair.

      • http://twitter.com/Kirkwzo Kirkwzo


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        • anon

           fucking scam, scam site, just click some links and you will understand it is fake site!!!!
          do not be sheep ppl, get some integrity and fuck scammers like Kirkwzo

      • http://twitter.com/JenniferRickert Jennifer Rickert

        It seems like they are sending the messages on crocodile leather, hand-written with gold ink and framed behind a bulletproof glass. http://Unlimitedjoys.blogspot.com

        • Popehat

           More scams. Single mother earns blah blah blah

    • http://twitter.com/Kirkwzo Kirkwzo

      Jose explained I’m blown away that a mother can make $4960 in four weeks on the network. did you see this(Click on menu Home)

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Aaaahahahahah, it looks as though the MAFIAA (albeit NZ-style) want “something for nothing” huh?

    They want to retain their CopyWrong “rights” but aren’t prepared to pay for notifications to alleged wrong-doers!!  How cheap can you get?  They’re a multi-trillion Worldwide industry ffs, and they’re penny-pinching on enforcing their own so-called rights.

    I just don’t understand these greed-fuelled fucktards one iota.  Anyone care to explain please?

    • thedude321

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. I mean, over time, it can clearly be seen that these people are constantly trying to enforce their vision of what is right and wrong, and not bearing the risks that come with their so-called crusade.

      But frankly, in previous reports made by torrent freak, we can clearly see that their power is waning. And with good reason too….its because their way of thinking is quite frankly out-dated. There comes a time, when every institution with power over the minds of people want to finalize their grasp on power….and just like the Catholic church has done before, they want to control the means of communication….

      I watched a really interesting documentary recently, so I thought I would share it with you guys regarding the motivation behind the MPAA and the RIAA.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FD9urcUWXw 

      • meowmix

        i will watch this later on when i get back from going to the cinema where i’ll be paying something like 20 fucking quid,  what a pisstake price, for three tickets so my twin sons can watch brave. 

        • Hogspace

          I stopped going to the cinema over a year ago. I won’t let them make a single penny out of me. 

      • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

         It’s illegal to file-share copyrighted works in most of the world.  Torrentfreak likes to paint a rosy picture, but the copyright industry is winning.  There’s nothing the file-sharing community can do but run. 

        • Guest

          At which point, then what? Criminalise swapping of data storage devices? Good luck with that.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          There will always be a way to take digital media without paying for it – that’s not the point The point is, if it’s easier to buy it at the store than it is to find a friend that has it then copyrights will have won. And they will win, eventually.

        • Pelham123

          I disagree with every idea in your post, especially your bizarre idea that “Torrentfreak likes to paint a rosy picture.” This site makes things look worse than they are.

          Every time a line is drawn, people line up on one side of it. That’s not running. There’s a big difference between compliance and payment … the copyright industry will inevitably lose for that reason.

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

           @e32582937da6d36f546828a772b12399:disqus It’s no secret that TF has an anti-copyright bias.  I really like TF articles – I read just about every one, but let’s not fool ourselves: if you want a fair comparison of both sides of the issue you won’t find it here. 

          Copyright holders will win for one reason and one reason alone: they have money.  Copyright holders generally create wealth and value from nothing.  File sharers are Null.  They don’t matter.  They create nothing – all they can do is shuffle stuff around.  They are the fleas on a dog – no benefit to the dog, and no loss to society if that dog gets washed clean of parasites. 

        • Trespass

          File sharing will always be around in some form.  Technology will evolve as it always has.  Torrents are already obsolete, replaced by magnet links. it will be interesting to see the next incarnation.  There is no winning, only evolution…

        • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

          Thats a romantic notion, but magnet links need to be hosted, just like torrents. The only thing that hasn’t evolved fast enough is the law – and one day that’ll catch up. The internet is too important to be left to anarchy and lawlessness.

      • Luke Solis

        thanks for the link.

    • nbobs

      “I just don’t understand these greed-fuelled fucktards one iota.  Anyone care to explain please?”
      I think you just explained it in your first sentence. Greed-fuelled fucktards.

    • insane

       Wow, you would think these copyright trolls would at least FUND their penalties.  What a load of crap.

  • Mr. M

    It seems like they are sending the messages on crocodile leather, hand-written with gold ink and framed behind a bulletproof glass. And they built their own factory to do all that.

  • Zionist

    Well Aotearaw stand up, these fuckers are stupid, wondering about who’s pocket its going to come out of.  They obviously don’t take filesharing very seriously yet.  Soon it will be changed to allow ISP’s to append the notice to a consumers bill make sure you read the Terms of Service in depth before signing up with the ISP.  Or just ftp over ssl or rsync via ssh, lrn2pirate inb4 $25 notices are sent out.  You can’t stop piracy it will exist as long as the media is worth something.

  • downunder

    i bet most of the notices are going to parents of kids and uni students.. be good to see some details and stats

    the thing is if they get 2 strikes.. its reset to 0 after 9 months as well
    so its going cost the letter senders more in the long run

    the hard core wont be using their isps IP will they now..they are more
    tech savvy

     

    • Kami

      Actually, yes. My parents got a notice the other day for something I downloaded before I left for Uni at the beginning of this year. I had to call up Telecom and tell them that my parents couldn’t have done it because they barely know how to check their emails and turn on the computer, let alone torrent things. Thankfully, the helpdesk guy I talked to was a sweetie and helped to clear it near instantly, assuming it was because my parents’ wifi modem had been hack’d.

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  • Guest

    How long will it be that the ISP’s realise that they are just being the MAFFIA’s bitch in carrying the cost of doing their dirty work in the cost and sending out the cease and desist notices. Probably never. Well if they want to be the MAFFIA’s bitch then fools to them and on there head be it and they well and truly deserve to be the MAFFIA’s bitch.

  • PirateSoldier

    Notice how these greedy bastards want everyone else to foot most of the bill. They can’t adapt so fuk em where it hurts, out their pocket. 

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  • Gavman

    “There was growth in the use of tunnelling, remote access and file
    transfer protocols. These are technical methods that savvy infringers
    use to hide file sharing downloads,” Foss wrote.”

    Good to know governements automatically assmue anyone who cares about privacy must be an evil pirate

    • Montisaquadeis

       I noicted they never mentioned Things like cyber lockers or even better usenet unless they are counting them in with the file transfer protocols. On top of that I am better quite a number have switched to transferring the old fashion way via thumbsticks/cds/dvds and what not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    The costing system for the UK system is open to similar abuse by rightsholders.

    You will never get rightsholders and ISPs to agree cost sharing and there is o justifiable reason why ISPs or anyone else should subsidise the media conglomerates suicidal attempts at alienating their own customers.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

       You’re absolutely 100% right Don.

      It’s like holding the contractors who build roads responsible for each and every bump, scrape, and accident that occurs!!  But MORE POIGNANTLY, holding these road construction providers financially responsible for everyone who uses the road whether or not that user is a criminal trying to flee from a crime they in fact committed.

      This scenario of course is totally nuts and 100% wrong, let alone unfair and unjust.

      However, filesharers are IN FACT in neither category.  We’re neither criminal nor are we clumsy idiots using the ‘highways’, yet the CopyWrong Cartel is trying their damndest to hold us responsible for THEIR failure to conduct THEIR business in a fair, modern and responsible manner.

      So who is the REAL criminal here, huh?  I reckon it’s the entertainment industry who unfairly rip-off everyone they contact – insiders, contractors AND us, the end-user.

      • Violated0

        No the real criminals are the politicians who have allowed the MPAA/RIAA for far too long to lock up the market, to be the gatekeepers, and to form monopolies to maximise their income and control.

        Then here they are still pandering to their protection when they go “waa waa waa filesharers touched our stuff”

        Now at last the public are reclaiming the market and the Internet has broken their gatekeeper control. Music creation has now bloomed to levels never before seen due to low cost of free global distribution. Even filesharers have greater interest in buying music when they are slowly providing the services the public want.

        Dealing with the MPAA is of course much more difficult but it is not hard to see that creation is blooming on the Internet and film makers are now obtaining alternate funding options like kickstarter. Distribution is changing as well when there are more than a few Indie movie streaming sites around.

        So the one thing those political idiots should not do is to mess around with the ongoing change and make laws to try and stop it. Everything and everyone will find their place in time as the chaos of change passes and the market settles down.

        The music world already lives in a free and open market available to all and can anyone say that this is a bad thing? So one down and a bigger one to go.

    • Oplease !

       Got to walk a fine line here, too ! Cost plus, pissing off your costumer ? Wrong Identity of the person who is doing this …nothing worse then being accused of something you didn’t do ..Nothing like a pissed off costumer running around the neighbor hood with a knife cutting fiber optic cable lol  So im sure they don’t want the $hit where they eat ? 

    • meowmix

      if the copyright whores will not pay what the isp’s deem a fair price for the maffia and other goons dirty work, then the maffia &c should just shut the fuck up and deal with the modern world. which they should be doing any way. dumbarses.

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  • Guest

    Reducin ma’ cap cause it’s all crap….

  • Anonymous

    serves their fucking rights! if they had got any balls, they would have done a damn site more to fight the industries instead of caving in! if they were under any illusion that they wouldn’t get the costs, that has now been dispelled. the concern now should be how many more customers will the ISPs lose because obviously they will want to recoup those costs of doing the entertainment industries ‘policing’. as long as someone else pays, the industries aren’t in the least bit interested in what others lose.

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  • Nightlurker

    “Foss referenced a Waikato University study that found that traffic
    downloaded by P2P applications decreased by more than 50% after the
    legislation came into power last year”
    And there has been a similar increase in the sales of copyrighted media as a result has there? No – didn’t think so.
    So this has failed in it’s original purpose, to get people to buy instead of downloading the media. What is the next move? Close down the internet because all the users must be pirates?

    • meowmix

      i was wondering what would happen if they did close down the internet. i think they’d sell even less of the shite they produce than they currently do, there’s be a lot less word of mouth recomendations, less exposure to people they’d not reach otherwize. and the net result, they’d loose a hell of a lot of money.

  • Jimbo

    ‘ $919,000 [US$730,000] has been spent between Vodafone,

    Telecom, TelstraClear, Orcon and CallPlus in setting up for the regime’

    so, exactly how much has it cost the entertainment industries and/or their subsidiaries to set any of this up? i bet they haven’t spent a thing! therefore, what right have they got to complain about anything at all? if they want something to change, they need to try spending their money on systems to protect their content. using common sense and listening to the wants of customers would be a good place to start!

    • Anyone

      however many “donations” they gave to politicians
      I’m sure that was less than what they forced the ISP to spend

      • Spr.

        It was $500,000 shared, from what I’ve noted. So, about half as much.

  • Violated0

    Well at around 50,000 movie downloads a month then at $20 a notice you are talking $1 million a month to letter them all. You don’t need to do that of course when only 10% to 20% would scare enough of them to change their ways which makes $100,000 to $200,000 a month.

    So had the MPAA really wanted to stamp out NZ piracy this requires an expense of between $1.2 to $2.4 million a year. Not to forget that the expense would decrease as the population comes under attack. In other words if the MPAA had fired just one employee, namely Chris Dodd, they could have used those wages to instead stamp out NZ movie piracy (in theory)

    Considering the fact that it usually costs the organizations behind the MPAA around $200 million just to make one movie… but they spend $0 on this scheme they lobbied for in NZ to protect said movie… then we can only conclude that they are a bunch of jokers.

    Yes we know the real answer here in that it is just not a good idea for the MPAA to attack their best customers when infringers are the biggest movie lovers and buyers around. Attack them and suddenly they hate you, move away from movies, cause a sales drop, then at worst thousands more become politically active against you.

    We killed SOPA in the US and ACTA in Europe which well highlights that the MPAA’s political power is being trashed. They are losing control and they now spend $0 to avoid giving us more troops that would cause serious copyright reform in the future.

    So what does this all say about the pending schemes in the US and the UK? Then how many millions do they expect taxpayers and these ISPs to waste on schemes the MPAA are turning into a massive joke?

  • Tixatiuser

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    serves ya right

  • meowmix

    at Hogspace i feel the same way, sadly its nice for the children to see something at the cinema. sadly i’m temped by shiny objects and will go to see the dredd film, sometimes its nice to see a film on a big screen, not that my tv is small, its 47″ full hd.

    • Kida

      cool, cause everyone was wondering how big your tv is, and whether or not its HD…..

  • Guest

    The MAFIAA orders ISP to police the interwebs but they don’t want to pay the costs. True mafia.

    • The guy

      The MAFIAA wants to keep all the monies to themselves. Selfish greedy fat old fucks.

  • Whatever

    This is actually good news.

    I don’t know why nobody sees the positive side of this (at least it will be fun the for New Zealand P2P users). While using P2P previously only caused imaginary losses now the oppertunity actually exist to hurt them financially for real just by sharing.

    If the New Zealanders would start sharing in bulk until they received 2 notices they would destroy those organizations financially and help their ISP’s reduce the costs of the letters at the same time (economy of scale).

    Don’t know how long those strikes last but after the 2nd strike they move to safer communication methods until the have 3 strikes again to sink another $50.

    Use the MAFIAA’s own weapons against themselves has never been so easy.

    (All the above assuming there are nothing bad happens at strike 1 and 2)

    By the way. Copyright Tribunal ? They already created an institution based on imaginary property ? One would only thing such a thing could exist in the movies. Seems like they want to make all their fantasies reality.

    Which country will be the first to introduce a “minority report” ?

    • Whatever

      Correction to “until the have 3 strikes again”.

      Should be “until they CAN have 3 strikes again”

    • MadAsASnake

       ”Copyright Tribunal” or something like it is necessary as there isn’t enough evidence to take it to court – which is where it SHOULD go.

  • JordanKratz

    Please everyone Boycott the MAFIAA and tell your friends and fans.
    Buy & Support Indie and Local Art instead.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    how the fuck it can cost this much to send 1 damn piece of paper? 

    • The guy

      So the ISPs can use the cash to pay the monthly cost of monitoring everyone, which is quite easily very expensive as everyone knows.

      Hope that helps :)

      • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

        hm, haven’t thought of monitoring. that sure makes sense, unlike whole n strikes programs

  • Hulivar

    Man I wish like….we could all agree to not give a shit about the three strikes and just keep on downloading.  Laws only work if most of the people follow them…laws like this anyway.  

    Reminds me, my work tried to ban people from smoking marijuana if they wanted their medication but the urine tests showed EVERYONE was still smoking…so they said f it, we will allow them to smoke pot.

    For silly laws like this I just wish we could all agree to say fuck you to these assholes.  They would not be able to do jack shit.  And to cover legal costs we could just all band together.  I realize this is kind of weird like…oh we want to molest children LETS ALL DO IT THEY CAN’T DO SHIT.  

    Bleh just a rant anyway…it would be nice though if we all stood up for something…we really need a system of standing up to these assholes that works because sitting on our asses on a forum does nothing and lobbying does jack shit if you don’t have the cash to back it up

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  • RIAAtarded

    good lord this is the definition of ironic.

    RIANZ only want to pay pennies and not 20-25$ for the letter.
    Consumers only want to pay pennies and not 20-25$ for their plastic circle.

    • Guest

      Haha, great comparison!

      • The guy

        And it is true in my opinion, 20 – 25 dollars for a piece of plastic where once it’s scratched it’s dead? Haha fuck that.

  • Guest

    “in July 2012″ [...] “it was revealed that the movie industry sent out a grand total of zero warnings.”

    “RIANZ, the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand, sent out 2,766 notices between October 2011 and April 2012.” 

    What? So were there warnings sent or not?

    When were there “zero warnings” sent? I don’t see how the first sentence can be true if they are sending out warnings.

    • Guest

      The *movie* industry sent out none. RIANZ is music.

      • downunder

         i think you find the movie/tv industry has sent letters also
        just hasnt been reported yet or the stats show

        this article is about misic downloads only

  • 0omg

    LOLLLLL at them we warned you that was going to happen now let you corp die …..

  • Guest

    RIAAtarded  couldnt have stated it better, ISP’S In NZ, like all ISP’S, like making money not spending it, especially on people like RIAA and their thieving cronys.
    VPN’S ARE your friend [some anyway] …lol

  • MonkeysayMonkeydo

    So when are ISP’s worldwide start to realize that these organizations (more like MAFFIA) are screwing their bussiness model and start fighting back instead of just kneeling and taking it up the arse

    The Time for ISP’s to fight back is now or else there will be no bussiness for them in the future

  • MonkeysayMonkeydo

    Oh by the way though you would like to know ACTA isn’t dead in EU

    Here’s a link to how they are trying to make it happen now:

    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6580/135/

    Also sorry for being a little offtopic but I pretty sure this information needs to be shared

  • Popehat

    And hear comes the fines

  • Michele Hostetler

    While these piracy notices are expensive for ISPs, would you rather the government be actively shutting down piracy sites without warning? Using the “Three Strikes method” gives pirates time to reconsider whether what they are uploading (what is basically theft) is worth the time and the money. 

    • MadAsASnake

      Neither case is OK. Extra-judicial takedowns deny justice and IP harvesting is not fit to be called evidence.

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  • Matrixwells

    I reckon a lot of the reason there has been a reduction in the amount of downloading in NZ since the 3 strikes law was passed has be due to the fact that there has been hardly any decent movies released over the last year worth wasting the time, effort and bandwidth on.

  • RayZ fox

    “all parties have been told they will have to make the best of the current situation”  THE SITUATION THAT YOU FUCKING MADE YOU ASS.  God damn that makes me libertarian RAGE so bad.

    • RayZ fox

      “all parties have been told they will have to make the best of the current situation” That would be an ok statement had it been sent by god.  Like if a tree fell on your house but no the Government that caused the problem is acting like it was caused by a third party.

  • llin457

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