IFPI: ISPs Should Block BitTorrent and The Pirate Bay
Written by Ernesto on December 26, 2007The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is trying to convince European lawmakers that ISPs should take extreme measures to fight piracy. They suggest that ISPs should block access to websites such as The Pirate Bay, and block filesharing protocols, no matter what they’re being used for.
The IFPI - the anti-piracy organization that represents the recording industry worldwide - sees ISPs as one of their biggest enemies. “ISPs often advertise music as a benefit of signing up to their service, but facilitate the illegal swapping of copyright infringing music on a grand scale,” they said previously. In an attempt to restrict the Internet, the anti-pirates have sent a list of three absurd recommendations to the EU parliament.
Earlier this year the IFPI won a case against the Belgian ISP Scarlet. In this case the judge ruled that ISPs can be forced to either block or filter copyright infringing content on P2P networks. At the time, IFPI Chairman and CEO John Kennedy said: “This is a decision that we hope will set the mould for government policy and for courts in other countries in Europe and around the world.” That’s exactly what they are trying to do now.
None of the measures below are overly burdensome or expensive, or cause problems for regular services to customers, says the IFPI. Here’s what they recommend:
Content filtering
The IFPI suggests that ISPs should identify music files on their network and check them against a reference database of “audio fingerprints” to check whether the files are infringing copyright. This might work on Kazaa, but it is not clear what methods the ISP will have to implement to distinguish between copyright infringing and legal content on P2P networks, such as BitTorrent. That will be a tough job, if not, impossible.
Protocol Blocking
According to the IFPI, an easy but effective solution is to simply block all P2P protocols and forget about all the indie publishers that use it to share legal content, for free. If customers can’t use BitTorrent or any other filesharing protocol piracy will decline, and that’s basically all they care about.
Blocking access to infringing websites
What better way to censor the Internet than to block entire websites, especially The Pirate Bay. The IFPI tried to block websites before - last year they convinced a Swedish ISP (Perspectiv) that it was a good idea to block allofmp3. However, after The Pirate Bay decided to block all Perspectiv’s customers from its site, they backed down, re-enabled access to allofmp3 - and apologized.
These recommendations might seem absurd, but Heise.de reports that the IFPI has already convinced several European politicians to support these measures. Next month, The Committee on Culture and Education from the European parliament will discuss if these recommendations should be turned into European policy.
There is little doubt that it will cause quite a stir if they are.
(via P2P Blog)
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Content filtering - Use an existing protocol (or client) that enables encryption.
Protocol blocking - Introduce obfuscation into the protocols used. This will render protocol blocking useless unless they want to terminate the entire internet
Access blocking - the EFF already countered this by stating that this is introducing a police state. Who determines where you can go and where you can’t?
There’s noway this can happen…Everybody knows there is so much people in p2p that someone will find a way to go around all this.
Keep_your_insane_laws_on_your_own_side!
Better thell the Europarliament that this can’t happen. They voted to implement IPRED2 which basically turns ISPs into criminals if a user does something illegal with a download (Youtube is also a criminal organisation as well according to this directive).
When will they ever learn?
There’s only one solution:
Ban the internet!
What about all the open source software that is free to download using BitTorrent?
I run Linux, I like that I can spread the load by using BitTorrent when I download a new distro’.
And all perfectly legal!
I also distribute a free DVD I made using BitTorrent.
Bloody capitalists, they will always try to keep good caring and sharing people down.
Who cares? Restriction will only lead to innovation… this will seriously backfire on all of them, they will be sorry, soon enough, if this goes through.
WHAT THE HELL do these cocksuckers think they are, some sort of global authority with executive, legislative or legal powers? They are merely a shitty umbrella-corporation for modern waylayers and innovation-leeches, professionals for extortion and fraud. ROT IN FUCKING HELL.
[quote]WHAT THE HELL do these cocksuckers think they are, some sort of global authority with executive, legislative or legal powers?[/quote]
Yeah - it’s called capitalism.
The death of major labels is coming, and it will be celebrated throughout the whole world.
These guys are a bunch of fucking shitholes. I hope they are being hacked and their demise is being prepared as we speak. I really don’t see this happening though, ISP’s will lost tons of customers if they follow through with this.
Even if by some miracle they get this to happen there will just be new or encrypted protocols.
I can just say the politicians here in Germany have to fear for their jobs ! The small parties are going smash the big ones in the next elections. The people are unsatisfied with this great coalition.
Prepare to get fired politicians !
You are annoying us !
Well, i live in Denmark, and i think this could very well, become a reality here, we got these crappy kapitalist politicians, they say: “Yes we promise to lower taxes, but in return we will give you even better healthcare and so on, but it will be cheaper than ever before!!!!ONE11!!!”, no way in fucking hell is that possible…!
Anyways, we already got an ISP in Denmark who was forced by law to restrict access to allofmp3, and then almost every other ISP got scared and blocked it too :(
Ernesto, a very OT question but I’ve always wondered why. I’ve seen it elsewhere too (like Cisco web course), so it must be some kind of reason to do it?
What I’m wondering is why type a caption in the middle between 2 paragraphs?
IMO it just makes text harder to read.
example:
“…recommend:
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The IFPI suggests th…”
Let’s shoot the politicians and all those motherfuckers riia mppa ifpi whatever they must go away like the dinosaurs
Lol, I bet that within 24 hours, someone has come up with something that goes around this anyway, why bother? Stupid IFPI people.
In a worst case scenario, the end user would get a shell acct capable of handling their bandwidth. Then, just tunnel through the shell acct. Would cost an extra ~$10/mth.
Merry Christmas all!, Go Fuck Santa MAFIAAS shitHEADS….
Well first I think that we Finns use lot off bad words but now I know how wrong I was… but Hamster is right,
WHAT THE HELL do these cocksuckers think they are, some sort of global authority with executive, legislative or legal powers? They are merely a shitty umbrella-corporation for modern waylayers and innovation-leeches, professionals for extortion and fraud. ROT IN FUCKING HELL.
These guys are a bunch of fucking shitholes.
@13 Lars
If I understand it correct Denmark has already implemented the IPRED 1 which makes all isp and telecom companies track all the citizien.
All your internet traffic is surveillanced and all your mobilephone calls.
Sweden is about to implement it soon, the government is discussing it now and a lot of ppl is doing everything to stop it.
Contact your local politicians and tell them this is a very, very bad way to go ahead.
/Perty
What these rocket scientists don’t realize, its the people paying the ISP’s, not them. For ISP’s to survive, they need clients, clients needs service, pure and simple. Linux distro’s and all sorts of free software gets distributed via BitTorrent. If you ask me, these entertainment companies must make a deal with the internet service providers. Instead of paying for your cable company, pay your ISP. And the IFPI wont ever win, there are far more intelligent people, and much faster thinkers out there. Moral of the story, get with the program. Its people that drives the people, not organizations. Successful companies, gives the people what they want!
Well, just dont vote for those politicians next time.
block bittorrent lol, will it will stop piracy?…no, it will hurt more the legit stuff rather than piracy as it will just be available more for DDL(piracy stuff). The IFPI should realize that there are actually a lot of legit ppl who use bittorrent and blocking them would turn the net into a waste land. Blamming ISP’s?…wth. Why should ISP’s care as it is their customers who download the content, not them nor should they have to spend their time trying to regulate their customers. They are an organization btw in the competitive business and steering their customers away from them interferes with their business to keep their competitive edge. Why should they waste their own money and lose customers just cause the IFPI want money. The net ppl have already changed when bitorrent came out, isn’t it time for the IFPI to change and create a way to profit from the net or if this their current tactic LOL.
Firstly, let me wish every illegal downloader, P2P’er, and pirate a merry Christmas, and I hope that there are even more richer pickings for us all to plunder in 2008.
I am sick to death of the attempts by the shitheads in the IFPI, the MPAA and the RIAA and others in their employ to control every aspect of what we can and cannot download. I say to them all “FUCK YOU!!!” I care nothing for them or the laws which they have bought. The sooner those bastards go the way of the dodo the better.
In my own way I have been doing my bit for piracy - a few months ago I started giving away copies of my entire music collection to anyone who wanted it. It is currently comprised of over 220 albums ripped at 192 Kbps and takes up just over 17 GB and I can fit it all on 5 DVD-R’s. I have not asked for nor received even one single penny for my efforts - I am doing this so that I may help in the destruction of entities such as the IFPI. My distribution method is a simple, filter-proof one - I place the DVD-R’s in an envelope with the recipients name on it and I then leave the package with the barman at my local watering hole. My only instructions to the recipients is to make at least one copy of the collection and pass it on to someone else who shall do the same, etc, etc. And I’ve just recently added Led Zeppelin’s ‘Mothership’ and Dire Straits’ ‘Private Investigations’ to the collection too. I would encourage others to do the same as myself in addition to your P2P work.
God bless Pirates, good luck and have a happy new year.
Christmas is a hoax
Holiday are made by these so called
lawmakers so that we spend money on useless stuff
Great for big business
There’s no denying that this will hurt all downloaders big time. At least, initially.
However, it will only speed up the process of creating a new protocol which is already in the works.
Then the IFPI will be in a hole again. It’s just a game of cat and mouse, as is everything else.
[quote comment="248739"]Christmas is a hoax
Holiday are made by these so called
lawmakers so that we spend money on useless stuff
Great for big business[/quote]
No…gift giving is made up by these guys. Religiously Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth…hens CHRISTmas…..
You sir, need to work on your knowledge and quit being ignorant.
If your beliefs are as such you stated them, DON’T BUY PRESENTS FOR PEOPLE. And, don’t accept them…but I’m sure that’s not how you chose to roll.
As for the IFPI…calm down people, they will get their just deserts in due time…
Lawyers & politicians got screwed up by money! Dope smoking gay shitheads get all killed! Healthy humans do not need corruption all the way!
Greedy bitches with money, hopefully soon they will run out of them and bend over like they should.
The trend is scary though.
you close bittorrent something else will open they will never learn?
Everyone download twice as much as usual and spread the word of p2p.
Fuck the goverment and the laws and fuck those companies.
Freedom, sharing is caring
their usual rant
aaah digial socialism has big business shaking at the knees…
now that oil is drying up and solar energy a viable candidate for free energy people should wake up from the dream of so called capitalism.
All this faffing about with ineffective laws regarding profits that haven’t even been certifiably lost makes me want to cry. Sigh. It just sucks that the majority of legislastors in the world today are too old to understand just how the internet and a given peer-to-peer model actually works.
As opposed to the OTHER usual rant: Waah the IP that we ganked by way of a contract that we gained by collusion and monopoly is getting violated! Think of the artists and their pennies per purchase! Just look the other way while we pocket $10 or more per disc! Something MUST be done!
I think our rant’s a bit more justifiable.
Ways to fix this:
1 - Elect people that don’t compromise our individual rights for corporate interests.
2 - If you’re starting a band, go indie. You’re not going to get a lot of publicity for the money you’ll lose on your CDs.
3 - Rip your CDs and send the plastic back to IFPI/RIAA/local equivelency. Maybe there’s a day we could all flood them with useless plastic to remind them of who pays for those big fancy buildings.
they are more sick then my grandmother with cancer in her head!
Sick fuckers they are….
but we soon need to stop them.
I think that IFPI should consider killing people who use internet. It’s logical from their perspective.
What bullshit. Ban this, ban that. Fuck them ..
Try it, just try it, and feel the wrath of the public.
So when everyone goes back to FTP to FTP (with random ports) transfers will they block those?
Just ban the Internet then. If they’re gonna carry on like a bunch of school kids, just take the whole internet appart.
@20
Yes, we are indeed getting monitored, BUT it is an anti-terror act, which means the local Anti Pirate Group can’t use this, for now.
They will also need a court order just to get the billing information from the ISP.
But the whole “logging act”, is primarily anti-terror, but who knows what they’ll come up with…
But as it is now, the Anti Pirates haven’t got much to say :)
The last thing we heard from them, was a statement that they had sent out, around 200 compensations demands, but it was only to people using DC++, Gnutella and a few unsing BitTorrent :)
We out number these people 10 billion to 1, so now why are they still alive?
21st century revolt is not going to be on the govement, there will be no pitchforks and torches at the gates of castles, no, its going to be against these people
I don’t see this as a bad thing. I see this as an opportunity.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
BitTorrent is old, and has many flaws. And if ISP’s block it, people from all around the world will work together to build a new protocol. One that won’t be easily detected, one that is greatly encrypted, one that is secure and undetectable in so many ways. Everyone’s already thinking it, wishing it, and some are developing it. This action by ISP’s will only put the screws to the developers, speeding it’s development. And with BitTorrent completely useless, widespread adoption will be much quicker than it would have been it was released while BitTorrent was still working.
I sincerely hope they do block BitTorrent.
if they block BitTorrent globally, this can open a way to they block everything more…
Sweden rocks, pirate bay rocks. fuck IFPI (what ever) and let us all download as much as we can. in sweden we get über connections for a low cost, and the big ISPs earns alot of money. in the city every1 has 100 megabits both up and down, and that is like “In your face”-speed, for just 150-250 crones, which is like around 19 dollars. people is looking for the fastest way to download stuff, and by knowing that ISP is blocking some sites, u will not choose that ISP. so they all lose money if a certain law swallow EUROPE. lame i say, do something else about the music industry and not to block or ban, make new laws all the fucking time.
Give it up already, you IFPI morons!!!
Stopping piracy is a war you are
going to lose.
Go ahead, tell the ISPs to block p2p
protocols and sites like the Pirate
Bay. Your victory will be short lived
indeed.
Actually, I don’t understand how a Corporate interest group can enact or force in laws in a Democracy?
Can someone explain how this happens, appart from Government officials being paid to allow these laws.
If democracies allow this than they are no better than a dictatorship.
By blocking bittorrent, they’ll have Blizzard’s fans to answer to. As one of the few companies that rely on the bittorrent protocol for distributing patches and updates to the millions of people all over the world.
There are legal legit reasons to use bittorrent, by banning the protocol outright will destroy millions of dollars worth of income that is gained by companies that use this protocol for legal reasons.
In the end, the blindness of political and political backed organizations such as MPAA, RIAA, etc is going to backfire on themselves by pissing off a company that has more money then they do.
Kyle speaks the truth here, I also hope these so called “rights” organisations do get their protocol blockades into effect, and that they do hold, it’ll make us slackers out there band together and create the next level of obfuscation, and a method that’ll make it virtually impossible to distinguish it from normal traffic, in the end they’ll loose the war, it’s only a matter of time.
There’s plenty of people in the music industry who think John Kennedy is a total fool.
This cosy little organisation of the majors does the smaller guys no favours at all.
I read this and can’t stop myself from laughing. Even if this was implemented there is no way the people stopping piracy can stand up to those of us continuing it. we the same amount of manpower, but we have something they don’t, freedom of implementation. They crack out anti-P2P bull crap and within weeks we counter it. While they are waiting for their checks to clear and lawmakers with their fingers in their asses to let them implement A-p2p version 2 us pirates are downloading the newest movies and music.
reason 2: If this passes, I give 1-3 years before pirate party members start getting elected. Now even if it’s only one pirate member that would show those two faced politicians across the world that change is on the winds and they better start cleaning up their act and give us internet neutrality like we deserve.
The new protocol’s and software are in development, its just time. and the anti corporations don’t seem to understand, we have lots more time for our developments than they do.
god do we love innovation.
This will never happen. Right now ISPs and hosting providers have immunity with this sort of things.
The reason for this is because we don’t scan your content. We only act based on complaints.
For example, if you download Halo 3 illegally and try to play it online, Bungie has your IP address. They then lookup your ISP and contact them and file a complaint. What happens after that is dependent upon your ISP and the infringement.
ISPs would never want to scan your shit for two reasons. It costs a lot of money and they lose immunity. If ISPs start scanning for this stuff and they miss something, they are punishable. Currently, they have no worries as long as they act on the take down notices which is a lot cheaper than the network infrastructure needed for this.
Stop trying to scare people for blog hits asshole.
Blocking specific sites will not solve the home-made problems of the entertainment industry.
I think they are better off by embracing the new media that could help them to market their stuff much better and faster than they do now !
Most of you people know absolutely nothing.
First, piracy simply isn’t for everyone. Only the elite. I don’t need every idiot on earth participating in order to get anything I want.
Second, the media companies don’t care if people download something for free. The high numbers of downloaders of free content is because of the demand curve. The quantity demanded for free is very high. The overwhelming majority of those people would never pay for what they download, so the media companies do not lose anything. Perhaps the demand curve shifts left in the presence of high piracy rates, though.
The true threat to the business model of large media corporations is that P2P removes the extraordinarily high barriers to entry. Their oligopoly is at stake. Their crooked politicians will do anything they say for the right price.
@ 54 Dec 27, 2007 at 00:55 by Nikita Kondraskov
They are doing exactly that. This whole business to to prevent other people from doing the same thing. The Pirate Bay and Mininova are already stepping on the IFPI’s toes by promoting indie artists.
@ 46 Dec 27, 2007 at 00:06 by Jeff
They are not fighting piracy. They are fighting competition.
@ 47 Dec 27, 2007 at 00:10 by James.
Hillary Clinton received $854,462 from the health care industry. Why do you think they would pay that kind of money? Public policy is bought and paid for.
Retards, perfect example of companies taking over governing bodies.
Help the project below develop into what it needs to be.
http://www.securep2p.net/
$854,462 ?? Wow, I want to get into politics.
Can anyone get me in, I want to be bought too.
LOL..
In one breath europe criticises china for it’s censorship and in the other moves itself towards the same measures of control. capitalism makes another step to facism.
also there’s lots of ‘legal’ content on sites such as then pirate bay, like porn and freeware
Regarding comment #9
You are an absolute fool. Capitalism involves a separation of business and state. Europe is a unified socialist breeding ground these days.
The onus is on business to prevent business from being screwed, not the government. Damn socialism.
Capitalism where industries get “protection” from the government is just bizarro socialism under a different name.
Let’s get some real capitalism — you know, where companies can only stay in business by selling a product customers want. Maybe we should start drafting some memos on how to get there. First step, abolish the “intellectual property” extortion racket…
Content filtering can be broken with a simple XOR mechanism. A key passed between clients would be unique for that session and generate something that matches no fingerprint database.
To deal with protocol blocking, the mechanics of bittorrent can fairly easily be moved over to the http protocol. Clients need to deal with http anyway to connect to a tracker, so it’s not a major step to build a very simple http server on the listening port.
Running over http, it wouldn’t be easy for an ISP to shut it down. Throw in unique URLs and variable names between clients and it’ll be impossible to detect with the current tech.
For site blocking, just increase the number of sites available. I myself am working on something that will run on any half decent free webspace provider, tbdev can be made to work on free space for small sites. Instead of huge sites with big servers and big costs tied to the admin, torrenting should move to smaller sites with no costs and complete anonymity for the admins, which will encourage a lot more people to start a site.
IFPI need to lay of the drugs and commit corperate suicide by licking a toad..
[quote comment="248541"]There’s only one solution:
Ban the internet![/quote]
I don’t think they are that clever to use your solution ;)
This is probly going to happen and there is nothing we can do about it as usual.
No way. Anyone who advocates interfering with the way the internet works is a certified moron. Ever heard of freedom of the press? That’s what the internet is. If you block one site/protocol, others will follow.
So IFPI, go live on Mars and take the rest of our idiotic politicians with you. and we don’t want ISP-added advertisements either.
Wow… if we’re banning all file-sharing protocols, we might as well ban HTML and http://FTP. They’re used for file sharing. Why stop there though? Let’s ban phone lines and radio too. In fact, why don’t we ban blank CDs?
lol we should ban ifpi.com If I was an artist I would want my music heard not my fans be fined
We should ban email to, because you could always just email music to someone. And web servers should require licensing as well, because you could set-up torrent trackers…
/Sarcasm, by the way
BT needs more active support from independent artist and label-owned artist who like to see their ‘talent’ rewarded by getting more money into their pockets rather than making the record labels richer.
Option 2 is a blatant move by the companies to corner the market for themselves and limiting the choices consumers can make. A previous article on Torrent Freak shows that more CDs are bought by users who DL music, but it doesn’t say whether the CDs they buy are label-owned or independent. This is what they are afraid of. They don’t care if BT users buy more CDs if they’re not buying what garbage they spew out.
Those recording companies should get an anti-trust lawsuit shoved up their asses for forcing their independent competition to stay out of reach from the consumers.
And where will it stop? They’ll tell you what you can and can’t look at just because.. well just because someone paid them to say so.
What’s next? Filtering based on religion or political views?
And as #69 says, why stop with torrents? I can download illegally via http, ftp, nntp, irc, pop3… well you get the idea.
When is someone going to hit the MPAA/RIAA with some racketeering charges?
Block torrents and pirate bay? Yeah right, idiot IFPI bureaucrats. People aren’t going to pay for your monopolistic, overpriced products where you rip off artists and consumers alike. Instead blocking this would promote Darknets which would prevent government from tracking terror activities completely. IFPI bureaucrats like Ion Stamboulis are a threat to national security.
one day, almost everything will be free. Food, entertainment. Food and entertainment used to be free when man first walked the earth. It seems the cycle is coming full circle once again. Power to the people.
./,m ju;’vccvmd>:”? cx’l; cx
MEINE TRAUME KOMMEN WAHR!!!
SIEG HEIL AMERICA
America has the RIAA and Europe has the IFPI. The world has gone to hell in a hand bag.
[quote comment="248877"]I don’t see this as a bad thing. I see this as an opportunity.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
BitTorrent is old, and has many flaws. And if ISP’s block it, people from all around the world will work together to build a new protocol. One that won’t be easily detected, one that is greatly encrypted, one that is secure and undetectable in so many ways. Everyone’s already thinking it, wishing it, and some are developing it. This action by ISP’s will only put the screws to the developers, speeding it’s development. And with BitTorrent completely useless, widespread adoption will be much quicker than it would have been it was released while BitTorrent was still working.
I sincerely hope they do block BitTorrent.[/quote]
Go to hell. Fuck yourself.
That is all.
@76
“Money is a stupid measure of achievement, but unfortunately it is the only universal measure we have.” - Charles Steinmetz
“I am a firm believer in socialism and I know that the quicker you have monopoly in this country the quicker you will have socialism.” - Charles Steinmetz
[quote comment="248856"]@20
Yes, we are indeed getting monitored, BUT it is an anti-terror act, which means the local Anti Pirate Group can’t use this, for now.
They will also need a court order just to get the billing information from the ISP.
But the whole “logging act”, is primarily anti-terror, but who knows what they’ll come up with…
But as it is now, the Anti Pirates haven’t got much to say :)
The last thing we heard from them, was a statement that they had sent out, around 200 compensations demands, but it was only to people using DC++, Gnutella and a few unsing BitTorrent :)[/quote]
If it’s anti-terror, then they can’t use any sort of court orders to pick us off. If they did they would be using the warrant in a way that wasn’t approved, and if it was approved, then the whole warrant is illegal and void. We aren’t terrorizing anyone and with that we should be free.
If they get this through there will be hell to pay anyway. If they tell us we can’t use bittorrent or other P2P anymore we’ll stop using anything they offer, too ^_^. This is just a scare tactic, they know if they get this through the only ones hurt will be them and who they represent.
boo-hoo, get over it you leeching wasters.
Because thats obviously going to stop us.
Why don’t they just fuck the fuck off.
@80
[quote comment="249209"]
If it’s anti-terror, then they can’t use any sort of court orders to pick us off. If they did they would be using the warrant in a way that wasn’t approved, and if it was approved, then the whole warrant is illegal and void. We aren’t terrorizing anyone and with that we should be free.[/quote]
Well, from what i know, it’s only PET (Danish CIA) who got full access to the logs, BUT what i mean is, the politicians in Denmark have all these crazy ideas, and alot of the politicians are influensed by the American way, which suck :(
[quote comment="248541"]There’s only one solution:
Ban the internet![/quote]
Time to update my wi-fi..
Well, suck my balls and call me grandad.
Let them try. They can’t censor the internet, and if they try, i shall personally devote all my time to find loopholes.
“Yeah - it’s called capitalism.”
Actually it’s called socialism
When those people are going to learn that the internet is not from them, but from the users!
Block BitTorrent is even not a good idea. Think howmany linux distro’s that you can download with BitTorrent?
They should let piracy. When you try to fight it, more people will hang on more to piracy. When you don’t fight it, it find a balance.
Happy holidays to all of you!
Happy Bit-mas!
[quote comment="248541"]There’s only one solution:
Ban the internet![/quote]
no, the only way: do nothing, let it be, like it´s nowadays
These proposals from the IFPI are nothing compared to what the Americans want. American media companies are fighting hard to make fully-functional computers illegal to possess. Look it up. They testified on video!
Haha no chance..!they will never stop us .!the only way is to ban the internet.!!
if my isp blocks me from using bittorrent they can stick there internet up there arses its all i use it for
Found this yesterday:
http://www.newsbittorrent.com/en/
There seems to be a lot of anti-rats on these responses. For those of you who know who you are, why don’t you wake the fuck up and take out that money cock out your ass? Maybe its hurting your brain therefore indirectly influencing your opinion. If USA, or Europe ever tried to make these kind of laws world wide, there would be a great up rising…almost a 1/3 of USA uses the internet for torrents and the like…you really think they would sit by and do nothing…no my friends, they would grab all they have and it would be world war 3…the Germans were accused of ethnic cleansing this will be another form of it. And no it would not be against nation vs nation, it would be people vs government and their all of their corrupt money hungry pigs that leech the life out of common people like us. So ask yourself, who are the real pirates here?
Sorry to completely change the topic, but I had comment on this.
First off, I agree that holidays now are primarily centered around money and excessive purchasing. I hasn’t always been this bad, but that’s today’s society.
Secondly, Wade, I don’t mean to sound offensive, but your comment is rather ignorant. Many people choose not to celebrate Christmas, for various reasons. Personally, I am completely opposed to the concept of religion (and religious faith in general), and I can’t force myself to celebrate a religious holiday, no matter how commercialized it has become. So as you said, I don’t buy presents for people, and I make it very clear to friends and family not to send me gifts. Of course people send gifts anyway, and I always thank them. Usually throughout the year, I will spontaneously buy gifts for people, so by no means am I selfish.
Either way, the point of all this was that it helps to keep an open mind. The OP said he didn’t celebrate Christmas due to its commercialization; well, that is his right. Who are you to criticize that? You said that it’s a religious celebration, which is reason enough for people like me not to celebrate it. In the future, please try to remember that a very large percentage of people inevitably will not share your point of view.
[quote comment="248770"][quote comment="248739"]Christmas is a hoax
Holiday are made by these so called
lawmakers so that we spend money on useless stuff
Great for big business[/quote]
No…gift giving is made up by these guys. Religiously Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth…hens CHRISTmas…..
You sir, need to work on your knowledge and quit being ignorant.
If your beliefs are as such you stated them, DON’T BUY PRESENTS FOR PEOPLE. And, don’t accept them…but I’m sure that’s not how you chose to roll.
As for the IFPI…calm down people, they will get their just deserts in due time…[/quote]
yes lets turn the world into a fascist state, that would be nice
everyone all the same no individuallity, no freedom, no rights, white power!! white power!!!
get a grip qand fuck off you ifpi morons
They just need to follow China’s example. Block everything and imprison anyone who tries to break the communication barrier. In a country where Bush can be elected twice, it can happen.
The government SHOULD reinstate deadsentences, and sentence all IFPI affiliates to death.
They won’t do this, for the same reason they do not commit to IFPI’s statement.
You can’t win, entertainment industry. If you strike us down, We shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
[quote comment="248946"]First, piracy simply isn’t for everyone. Only the elite. I don’t need every idiot on earth participating in order to get anything I want.
Second, the media companies don’t care if people download something for free. The high numbers of downloaders of free content is because of the demand curve. The quantity demanded for free is very high. The overwhelming majority of those people would never pay for what they download, so the media companies do not lose anything. Perhaps the demand curve shifts left in the presence of high piracy rates, though.
The true threat to the business model of large media corporations is that P2P removes the extraordinarily high barriers to entry. Their oligopoly is at stake.[/quote]
That is a very good point, maybe the crusade against piracy is indeed misdirection.
Up until a couple months ago, I suspected this was why the recording industry didn’t shut OiNK down. By banning freely available content, it actually perpetuated the high barriers to entry that existed before BitTorrent.
But now they have shut OiNK down, and maybe they don’t see it that way. Such rules (which persist on Waffles and What) do definitely benefit the recording industry, though, at the expense of competition.
I work for an ISP and there is no way we are gong to block bittorrent. Not a chance in hell. How else am I supposed to find windows ME iso files and the billions of free (read legal to download) software packages out there. I NEED torrents to do my job faster. Blocking ANYTHING at all is just a bad idea. If you tell competent internet users they CAN’T do something… they’ll just find a better way to do it.
I have an idea.. lets assault their offices steal some hard drives and dig some dirt.. then they will be the ones suffering for their stupidities.
or lets kill them all. that works too..
I’m still an advocate of free-everything. Eventually I’m going to be a multi-have-all-the-F**king-money-aire, so that I can afford to purchase everything that my heart desires. But until that day, I’m just going to do something very legal, boot up my PC, get onto the internet, and download and/or stream it from where ever I can find it. Internet radio stations have evolved such that you can use Winamp to both play and record the streams, thus making your own library of music for little to no cost. I personally bought a Pro license of Winamp, even though I realize that it is partially owned by AOL I don’t really care, it’s worth it.
Besides that point, making ISPs do something to limit their users really isn’t all that “bad in their eyes”, they do it every day, limiting bandwidth unless you want to pay more for your monthly service. In my opinion, the government should step in here in a few years (i.e. American) and take over control of the entire ISP problem, whether that be putting one company in charge of everyone, making all connections wireless or incorporating a fiber-optic network for each state, either way I think it’d be a bigger improvement.
As for the heart, file-sharing should never be illegal, I don’t give a flying hoot about whether you own the rights to distribute anything. If it is digital data that can be transmitted over a telephone line then it’s just the same as the government tapping phone lines and having surveillance on any number of things. Public access is key. If it is there, there is always an exploit, if it’s digital, we can take it, usually within your knowledge. Don’t fight it, we won’t sell it(or at least the smart ones won’t). Blocking is not right, nor will it be tolerated. I’m not the only one who believes so. Stand together and we might see this battle won.
zer0-Kill
freedom again supressed. david icke is on the agenda them all try to implement. it’s already happening, step by step.
we better stop lettin ‘em
How about we block the IFPI from the net. What you don’t know can’t hurt either… right?
how about someone hacks into the IFPI homepage and deletes its content? We can’t block it but surely we can make hell of a mess ^_^
remember this..
when freedom of speech, and sharing of information is restricted by greedy, power hungry tyrants, the inevitable outcome is civil war.
in their eyes, the internet is a device by which they can suck you dry, electronically, without the need for stores, paying wages to staff. by pumping advertising 24 7 into our homes and providing us all with credit facilities, that allow our asses to grow as fat as their wallets, they ensure maximum profit of minimum effort.
all the time they do this the global economy groans under the weight of ever increasing debt, and they then milk the interest for the rest of our lives, then take the house when we die.
products get shittier, and prices get higher.
if a cd album ( which costs about 20p to mass produce) cost a fiver in the shops, instead of 12.99 , i would spend more time in record shops ( which i actually enjoy)
‘take what you can and give nothing back?’
who are the real pirates here?
[quote comment="249663"][quote comment="248946"]First, piracy simply isn’t for everyone. Only the elite. I don’t need every idiot on earth participating in order to get anything I want.
Second, the media companies don’t care if people download something for free. The high numbers of downloaders of free content is because of the demand curve. The quantity demanded for free is very high. The overwhelming majority of those people would never pay for what they download, so the media companies do not lose anything. Perhaps the demand curve shifts left in the presence of high piracy rates, though.
The true threat to the business model of large media corporations is that P2P removes the extraordinarily high barriers to entry. Their oligopoly is at stake.[/quote]
That is a very good point, maybe the crusade against piracy is indeed misdirection.
Up until a couple months ago, I suspected this was why the recording industry didn’t shut OiNK down. By banning freely available content, it actually perpetuated the high barriers to entry that existed before BitTorrent.
But now they have shut OiNK down, and maybe they don’t see it that way. Such rules (which persist on Waffles and What) do definitely benefit the recording industry, though, at the expense of competition.[/quote]
is it not also in the interest of the united states of microsoft, to prevent distribution of linux, by stopping p2p networks?
If they block anything, I shall cancel my internet connection, so they can stick their laws up their backsides!
I’ve downloaded programs, so I can try the full version properly and consequently purchased them… this is so I don’t waste money on crap products… moreover… Ive tried some programs I would not have normally brought, but like them so much as to purchase them.
Actually, Linux can be quite easily downloaded from sources besides BitTorrent:
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
And Microsoft probably depends on Windows being pirated. If everyone really paid $200 for it, a lot more people would seriously consider Linux, as it would save them a couple hundred bucks. Here’s a long but well-reasoned article to that effect:
http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free
-> to the porn popes over there:
$uCKK mY MF D]CKK :)
thank you TPB
xxx of death you criminal fukers
#110 Linux is cool and all, except if you want to play videogames…………………………………………………
The more they block/ban things the more we expand.
you put 1 torrent site offline and all the members simply move on to the next.
You attack us and we multiple… !
This kind of news does nothing to discourage piracy. It makes me want to pirate more. It’s a satisfying feeling, knowing that every album I pirate is money taken from douchebags like the IFPI or the RIAA.
i agree. the more they try to stop it the more i want to do it.
It’s hilarious reading what people say about CAPITALism vs. SOCIALism.
By torrenting, we the people are taking control of the CAPITAL (movies, etc) for ourselves. Mmm, sounds an awful lot like socialism?!
Hitting ISPs and webhosts is really the only decent tool the authorities have. We’ll get round it.
Viva La Revolution!
Actually, it is indeed called capitalism (or perhaps “corporatism”).
In fact, capitalism needs the state in order to survive and to enforce their rules, which they call their “property rights”.
Capitalism is a system, where it is free to exert violence on anyone. The so-called “market forces” (usually represented by more superior weapons) decide the outcome. That is the basis of “freedom”. If you want to have a just system, a system based on justice, you need socialism, since it must be a system that will not only be able to enforce the rules against the abovementioned “market force”, but also guarantee the equal participation on the whole election process, on the process to make your choice.
Basically, capitalism is the freedom to shot an innocent victim. Socialism is the freedom to carry out the decision over the capitalist, arrived at by the jury made up of all the people who see themselves fit for such a thing.
Actually, downloading pirate’s music is a crime, and if u do not want to be punished or may be being juged u should use kind of anonymous surfing, as i do. For me i do not maintaine such a policy and use VPN account while surfing the internet. Its encrypting the traffic, and I absolutely sure that not a single person do not know what i do here. For everybody i can recommend the http://www.strongvpn.com VPN service, think better to use OpenVPN account cause it supports mobile devices
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[quote comment="248550"]WHAT THE HELL do these cocksuckers think they are, some sort of global authority with executive, legislative or legal powers? They are merely a shitty umbrella-corporation for modern waylayers and innovation-leeches, professionals for extortion and fraud. ROT IN FUCKING HELL.[/quote]
Amen my brother!!!
i live in saskatoon saskatchewan in canada and my service provider shaw said they dont follow any dmca or cria or mpaa or riaa or ifpi or anything they basically told me we offer you a service and what you do with said service is of your own discretion so if i wanna fileshare or if i wanna go to pirate bay or allofmp3 i can and shaw internet keeps my nose clean for me and no they dont spy on their customers unless your useing to much bandwidth so fuck the ifpi up the ass
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