In fact, capitalism needs the state in order to survive and to enforce their rules, which they call their “property rights”.

Capitalism is a system, where it is free to exert violence on anyone. The so-called “market forces” (usually represented by more superior weapons) decide the outcome. That is the basis of “freedom”. If you want to have a just system, a system based on justice, you need socialism, since it must be a system that will not only be able to enforce the rules against the abovementioned “market force”, but also guarantee the equal participation on the whole election process, on the process to make your choice.

Basically, capitalism is the freedom to shot an innocent victim. Socialism is the freedom to carry out the decision over the capitalist, arrived at by the jury made up of all the people who see themselves fit for such a thing.

By torrenting, we the people are taking control of the CAPITAL (movies, etc) for ourselves. Mmm, sounds an awful lot like socialism?!

Hitting ISPs and webhosts is really the only decent tool the authorities have. We’ll get round it.

Viva La Revolution!

you put 1 torrent site offline and all the members simply move on to the next.

You attack us and we multiple… !

xxx of death you criminal fukers

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors

And Microsoft probably depends on Windows being pirated. If everyone really paid $200 for it, a lot more people would seriously consider Linux, as it would save them a couple hundred bucks. Here’s a long but well-reasoned article to that effect:

http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free

I’ve downloaded programs, so I can try the full version properly and consequently purchased them… this is so I don’t waste money on crap products… moreover… Ive tried some programs I would not have normally brought, but like them so much as to purchase them.

Second, the media companies don’t care if people download something for free. The high numbers of downloaders of free content is because of the demand curve. The quantity demanded for free is very high. The overwhelming majority of those people would never pay for what they download, so the media companies do not lose anything. Perhaps the demand curve shifts left in the presence of high piracy rates, though.

The true threat to the business model of large media corporations is that P2P removes the extraordinarily high barriers to entry. Their oligopoly is at stake.[/quote]
That is a very good point, maybe the crusade against piracy is indeed misdirection.

Up until a couple months ago, I suspected this was why the recording industry didn’t shut OiNK down. By banning freely available content, it actually perpetuated the high barriers to entry that existed before BitTorrent.

But now they have shut OiNK down, and maybe they don’t see it that way. Such rules (which persist on Waffles and What) do definitely benefit the recording industry, though, at the expense of competition.[/quote]

is it not also in the interest of the united states of microsoft, to prevent distribution of linux, by stopping p2p networks?

if a cd album ( which costs about 20p to mass produce) cost a fiver in the shops, instead of 12.99 , i would spend more time in record shops ( which i actually enjoy)

‘take what you can and give nothing back?’

who are the real pirates here?

Besides that point, making ISPs do something to limit their users really isn’t all that “bad in their eyes”, they do it every day, limiting bandwidth unless you want to pay more for your monthly service. In my opinion, the government should step in here in a few years (i.e. American) and take over control of the entire ISP problem, whether that be putting one company in charge of everyone, making all connections wireless or incorporating a fiber-optic network for each state, either way I think it’d be a bigger improvement.

As for the heart, file-sharing should never be illegal, I don’t give a flying hoot about whether you own the rights to distribute anything. If it is digital data that can be transmitted over a telephone line then it’s just the same as the government tapping phone lines and having surveillance on any number of things. Public access is key. If it is there, there is always an exploit, if it’s digital, we can take it, usually within your knowledge. Don’t fight it, we won’t sell it(or at least the smart ones won’t). Blocking is not right, nor will it be tolerated. I’m not the only one who believes so. Stand together and we might see this battle won.

zer0-Kill

or lets kill them all. that works too..

Second, the media companies don’t care if people download something for free. The high numbers of downloaders of free content is because of the demand curve. The quantity demanded for free is very high. The overwhelming majority of those people would never pay for what they download, so the media companies do not lose anything. Perhaps the demand curve shifts left in the presence of high piracy rates, though.

The true threat to the business model of large media corporations is that P2P removes the extraordinarily high barriers to entry. Their oligopoly is at stake.[/quote]
That is a very good point, maybe the crusade against piracy is indeed misdirection.

Up until a couple months ago, I suspected this was why the recording industry didn’t shut OiNK down. By banning freely available content, it actually perpetuated the high barriers to entry that existed before BitTorrent.

But now they have shut OiNK down, and maybe they don’t see it that way. Such rules (which persist on Waffles and What) do definitely benefit the recording industry, though, at the expense of competition.

They won’t do this, for the same reason they do not commit to IFPI’s statement.

get a grip qand fuck off you ifpi morons

First off, I agree that holidays now are primarily centered around money and excessive purchasing. I hasn’t always been this bad, but that’s today’s society.

Secondly, Wade, I don’t mean to sound offensive, but your comment is rather ignorant. Many people choose not to celebrate Christmas, for various reasons. Personally, I am completely opposed to the concept of religion (and religious faith in general), and I can’t force myself to celebrate a religious holiday, no matter how commercialized it has become. So as you said, I don’t buy presents for people, and I make it very clear to friends and family not to send me gifts. Of course people send gifts anyway, and I always thank them. Usually throughout the year, I will spontaneously buy gifts for people, so by no means am I selfish.

Either way, the point of all this was that it helps to keep an open mind. The OP said he didn’t celebrate Christmas due to its commercialization; well, that is his right. Who are you to criticize that? You said that it’s a religious celebration, which is reason enough for people like me not to celebrate it. In the future, please try to remember that a very large percentage of people inevitably will not share your point of view.

[quote comment="248770"][quote comment="248739"]Christmas is a hoax

Holiday are made by these so called
lawmakers so that we spend money on useless stuff
Great for big business[/quote]
No…gift giving is made up by these guys. Religiously Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth…hens CHRISTmas…..

You sir, need to work on your knowledge and quit being ignorant.

If your beliefs are as such you stated them, DON’T BUY PRESENTS FOR PEOPLE. And, don’t accept them…but I’m sure that’s not how you chose to roll.

As for the IFPI…calm down people, they will get their just deserts in due time…[/quote]

Ban the internet![/quote]

no, the only way: do nothing, let it be, like it´s nowadays

Block BitTorrent is even not a good idea. Think howmany linux distro’s that you can download with BitTorrent?

They should let piracy. When you try to fight it, more people will hang on more to piracy. When you don’t fight it, it find a balance.

Happy holidays to all of you!
Happy Bit-mas!

So, apparently IFPI has decided that ISPs are obliged to take extreme measures against piracy. They are currently trying to convince the EU parliament to implement laws that require ISPs to start using a series of recommended actions against piracy. IF…

Actually it’s called socialism

Let them try. They can’t censor the internet, and if they try, i shall personally devote all my time to find loopholes.