Hey idiot! Who is the artist here? Maybe MPAA, RIAA, IFPI and so on? And where are those artists you’re talking about? I haven’t seen single artist to complain about non-commercial home-translated subtitles! In fact you’re the first moron I see to preach rubbish against non-commercial home-translated subtitles, except the MORONS clique of course.

eZee.se saying “hamas”!

MAFIAA shills taking over dudes

most of us regulars are ignoring the comments because it is all too easy for anti-p2p to crap here

freak keep up the good work, but the comments are dunk

People adapt when they feel the need, in this case honest fans want to enjoy what the ‘artist’ cant be bothered to do..

If anything, the artists should be defending them outright, your argument is 100% nonsense.

By your reasoning, we would still be in the stone age since the only way we got this far is people building off of others creation..

Dude seriously give it up, we have destroyed 100% of every weak pathetic argument you have ever made on here.

Oh and I love how absent you are when the industry gets its little secrets uncovered and we are all justified ten times over.

soemthihng tells me they are gonna more and more after subtitle sites and probally say someting stupid like
“they are helping infringe copyright by offering such and such text to copyrighted mmovies”

sorry for spelling and stuff but being hearing imparied something i tend to not get the words correct

Well… I can always stop buying.

I boycott all of you.If I really need to buy another movie or TV show it will be from the used bin.

FUCK OFFF HOLLYWOOD, THR MPAA, And The RIAA TOO !!!

1. Are there these subtitles perfect? Are there DVDs which are not sold in Israel which do not have Hebrew subtitles?

2. Why is this? Is the DVDCSS standard a locked down, proprietary mess? This sounds like the system is not very well designed!

3. Refer to points #1 and #2.

4. Refer to the anime example. Increased demand for products which are unavailable.

5. This “point” is utter nonsense. You provide no support whatsoever for your ridiculous statements. It is quite possible that the blockbuster film industry will grow leaner due to the advent of widespread digital networking; whether this phenomenon will be harmful overall is an extremely complicated subject.

Whether the combined societal output of books and music will be reduced is an open question, and I would take the opposite perspective. A free and open internet benefits authors and singers through a variety of ways, and I believe these outpace the damage it causes through online piracy. Obviously, the benefits of this open internet to the wider community are even stronger, meaning that it will not go away no matter what you think of it. Please learn to deal.

1. There are no DVD:s legally sold in Israel which don’t already have Hebrew subtitles.

2. You can’t make any subtitle files run on top of a DVD being played, neither in a DVD player or when played in a PC.

3. Consequently, these “home-made” subtitles are intended to be used only together with films that are illegally downloaded or illegally sold.

4. So, in what way would the creators/owners benefit from these home-made subtitles, as nobody would go out and buy a legal copy of the film and then use these subtitles to better understand it?

5. If copyright didn’t exist, nobody would spend money and time on producing films, at least not the kind of films that these subtitles are made for. Because the film would instantly be copied and sold by others, which would mean that the creators wouldn’t get the money back that they spent on making the film. Also, with no copyright there would be no popular books or music produced, for the same reason. And no professional actors, authors, directors, musicians or other artists would be able to live on their work, as it would constantly be stolen by others.

Some people seem to argue that the copyright owners have themselves to blame if someone is able to steal their film, book or music. That’s like saying that you have only yourself to blame if someone has been able to steal your PC or your car. “If I’m able to steal it, I’m entitled to it.”

Please accept that if you want to watch or listen to something that someone else has spent money and time on creating and is offering to you for a price, you either pay that price or accept that you can’t afford it.

Steal a copy of a record album is bad. Copy a copy, however, isn’t.

1.Not all of U.S. based TV series ever arrive to Israel, and well, sometimes when they do arrive to cable or satellite they are either limited to one company and not to others, seasons are being showed without any reason, sometimes a couple of years later and well, sometimes they just go down to never appear again after a season or two – leaving the fans puzzled and frustrated, channnels appear just to be disappear a year later (just as happened with AXN, which was showing for 5 years, gathered a HUGE fan base just to be shut down because the cable company didn’t renew the contract.

2.Some of the fan translations are ages better than the official ones, since the subber is familliar with the series, knows all th kinks and is an avid fan (see cases such as LOST or House – in House’s case the subber is consulting med students for his translations).

3.No one from the subbers I (I’m not a subber myself) know does it for money, they lose precious sleep hours and miss entire work days just for the passion of it.

So, a little bit of appreciation for these hardworking folks is in order.

story has entered the popular today section on popurls.com…

This is considered fair use. Any judge would rule that using the a screenshot or artwork from a movie is fair use. Are they going to sue online retailers as well?

“While the legal ramifications are digested by the Qsubs team, its subtitling activities have been suspended.

According to intellectual property lawyer Ran Camille, movie and TV show scripts are considered “dramatic creations” and therefore subject to copyright law.”

This is a text translation in another language and should not be protected. This is the equivalent of emailing someone what you read in a foreign newspaper. That person should not be subject to persecution.

No need for an expensive lawyer if you have some knowledge of the judicial system. Study up and represent yourselves.

The law works this way.

Business MAFIAA > The average citizen
The MAFIAA tends to corrupt the US courts and thieve their artists

A monopoly is a monopoly and have very serious consequences and one off the least ones is profiteering.

Subtitles are a product apart from the video and should not be viewed as part of anything. Granted subtitles are a parasitic product but so are mirrors for cars, wheels and a lot of other things.

Strong Copyright hurts competition and the market. It is not up to the artist or anybody to tell the people what they should like or not, what they should do with what they pay for it.

Copyright = monopoly

@21 and the bitches who complain about America STFU. Its not the american people but a very few select groups. I am not an American but it pisses me off to see people use America as a scape goat. Israeli group caused this so now I hate Isrealis koreans are suing people for downlaoding porn so i should hate korea. That way of thinking is lame. Most americans download shit so don’t blame them.

Well known example: Anime

Bingo. You win one internet. (^_^)

But unfortunately, there’s no law against making money off someone else’s work. Instead, we have copyright law!

It outlaws doing the work that created the market the MPAA now wants to take over, or making money off your own work by distributing your album via torrent instead of letting the RIAA make all the money from it.

Officially, they’re not filing suit based on the translation – they’re filing suit for distributing an unauthorized copy of the show.

Realistically, we know they’re really filing suit for the translation, because the people who see the better-translated fansubs won’t be interested in the crappily-translated DVDs. But they don’t have to file suit based on their real reason, and the copy of the show gives them an excuse.

If fansubbers could find a way to do what the MST3K guys did after the show ended, and start providing subs without the copy of the show, the companies wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. But unfortunately, that’s not realistic right now. And besides, they’d just go after the raw providers instead.

Let’s say the MPAA released a movie and any only made subtitles for “abc” language.

Now, someone else makes subtitles for the movie in “xyz” language and releases them for free.

This allows a huge group of people to enjoy of the movie. Free subtitles are causing their profits to rise.

Hey smart one, publisher don’t create anything they just publish stuffs that they think it can make money for themselves, they’re milking the creators and they’re the true pirates. They take the biggest cut on everything. Now they’re protecting the popular media because people are sharing them and claim they’ve lost billions due to pirates. Oh right, they’re already in the billions and they should have billions more “for themselves”.

Not keep forward = fail

Try to milk money from every possible way = fail

Support their action = fail

People enjoy what the creators have created. I am sure there isn’t anything the publisher did that would get enjoyed here.

Sunny @
http://www.torrentkit.com

Sites that offer access to content are springing up like mushrooms. Even if they were to succeed in closing down one every day, and prevent any new ones from appearing online it would take years to remove them all.

This is the internet with hundreds of millions of computers to “patrol”.

Good luck with that.

I’m not saying that copying is moral or immoral I’m just saying that trying to stop it is a losing proposition.

They have already lost control of the content. Given the scale of the situation and the ever leap frogging nature of technology, do you think it is even sane to try and get it back?

Why not become part of the digital age like Virgin Media has by announcing an unlimited download service for a monthly fee. Instead of suing, prosecuting and fining, create an alternative.

The most valuable thing a business can acquire is the customer’s attention and loyalty. Give people a reason to maintain that attention and loyalty and you have a golden goose (unlimited income).

I’m in agreement with Talorthain, Live lean and adapt, is the only way to survive.

This is clearly a case when Force will not endure. Power is the way to prosper and Power can be developed by creating a portal to digital content that attracts the attention of all who are seeking it. Lesser sites will then fade into the background.

If Sony, Universal, et al would have created a digital store that offered tiered levels of digital products and services that blew away the Pirate Bay, they could be bigger than iTunes is today, THE place to go on the internet for digital entertainment.

Apparently they would rather chase people than capture the attention and $$ of the tens of millions of customers looking for digital content in the largest variety of format, quality and accessibility.

If they were to combine the downloads of iTunes, the hard copy availability of Amazon, the information from tv.com and imdb.com as well as live music streaming and social networking, they could develop one of the largest entertainment communities on the internet which would surely be quite profitable.

It will not stop piracy or ‘unauthorized’ filesharing, but it could certainly marginalize it such that it would be insignificant in the big picture.

Well known example: Anime

@46, subs are copyrighted if ripped from the DVD or TV-extracted by closed captions. Not when translated since the text is written by the user from scratch.

I honestly wonder how it all gonna end… tough like with VHR and other easy to copy technologies before it is probably not for a businesses but for a consumers to decide. IF so then how long all that drama will continue?

Another interesting thought that visits me with all that drama is tough “What if it was possible to filter out copyrighted stuff.” Imagine world where stuff that is not copyrighted and stuff that is copyrighted exists and one that is protected is not copied in any way. No fan remixes, no funsubbing, no sharing for copyrighted stuff and complete freedom for other stuff :) Such picture makes me wonder(for me it is clear tough) what people will choose…