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Judge Denies Megaupload’s Motion to Dismiss, But…

Megaupload’s request to dismiss the criminal proceedings against it on the grounds that the U.S. Government failed to serve the company, has been denied. District Court Judge Liam O’Grady believes that the authorities could still satisfy the federal rule if they can prove that Megaupload is an alter ego of Kim Dotcom. At the same time, however, the court leaves the door open for Megaupload’s legal team to file for a motion to dismiss the indictment until the government finds a way to issue the summons.

megaThree months ago Megaupload asked the court to dismiss its case because U.S. law doesn’t permit criminal proceedings against foreign companies.

According to “Rule 4” of criminal procedure the authorities have to serve a company at an address in the United States. However, since Megaupload is a Hong Kong company, this was and is impossible.

Only by dismissing the case can the court protect Megaupload’s due process rights, the defense argued.

These rights are clearly at stake according to the lawyers, who noted that Megaupload has been deprived of its property, had its reputation tarnished, and its business destroyed by the Government’s actions.

However, the Government disagreed and asked the court to deny Megaupload’s motion. Among other things the Government claimed that the federal rules shouldn’t be interpreted so narrowly. A company should only be served on a U.S. address if they have one, they argued.

In an order that was made public today, Judge O’Grady sided with the U.S. Government and denied Megaupload’s motion to dismiss the case for a lack of jurisdiction.

“It is doubtful that Congress would stamp with approval a procedural rule permitting a foreign corporate defendant to intentionally violate the laws of this country, yet evade jurisdiction of the United States by purposefully failing to establish an address here,” he writes.

In the legal analysis, Judge O’Grady adds that even if Rule 4 should be interpreted narrowly, there are still options for the Government to serve Megaupload. He notes that this could be done under the “alter ego” argument, where Kim Dotcom or any other defendant is held personally responsible for Megaupload.

“In this case the government may be able to prove that at least one of the individually named defendants is an alter ego of the corporate parent. If so, the corporation’s last known address within this district will be the address of the individual defendant, once extradited,” O’Grady writes.

“In other words, so long as the government could prove that an individual defendant is an alter ego of the corporate defendant, the government could satisfy Rule 4′s mailing requirement by mailing a copy of the summons to one of the individual defendants once that defendant is extradited to the district.”

While the motion to dismiss the case for a lack of jurisdiction was denied, the judge does leave an option open to dismiss the case temporarily until Megaupload is properly served.

“The Court leaves open the possibility for future motions and briefings as to whether the Defendant has been deprived of due process by this delay and whether the indictment should be dismissed until Megaupload could be served,” the order reads.

TorrentFreak has asked Megaupload’s legal team for a comment on the order, but we have yet to hear back from them.

It seems likely though, that Megaupload will take up the court’s suggestion and file a motion for a temporary dismissal, which interestingly enough is something they asked for in a previous hearing.

Kim Dotcom has also pointed out this apparent irregularity, which suggests Judge O’Grady may have made a mistake here. It’s certainly not the last we’ve heard of this.

The U.S. Government, meanwhile, will celebrate the order as one of their first victories in this case.

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  • Monster

    Would be stupid for him to dismiss temporarily. It will prolong things even more and open the door for the US Government to introduce more “evidence”.

    • MadAsASnake

      US government hasn’t introduced any evidence yet, despite having been ordered to do so by NZ courts. If they don’t, they definitely won’t get extradition. Unlikely anyway…

      • Monster

        Watch what happens. Kim Dotcom going to hang himself playing all the legal games he has. Sometimes its a good thing. Sometimes its stupid. Sometimes you need to just sit back and watch the other side hang themselves. Judges don’t like games and only put up with them for so long before they’ll make your life a nightmare. I would like to honestly know how many things his lawyers have advised him against doing and he’s told them to do it anyway.

        • MadAsASnake

          There could be some truth in that, though he is being true to himself. I thought that he was out on a limb with the GCSB stuff to start with – but he was right. I don’t buy for an instant that GCSB only tracked his location. We know from Mr Wormald that there was a live feed and it was not from the Police (GCSB then, so GCSB was definitly up to more than tracking) and as such it is no great stretch to beleive that GCSB was providing this directly, through Echelon, to the FBI (which apparently needs no permission!). Now, that US corporate interests should be getting access to that sort of stuff beggars beleif…

        • yello

          just going to say that legally or not, the us gov got what they wanted…

        • Guest

          It is not up to the judge but up to the jury.

        • d_e_n_n_i_s

          Kim Dotcom hasn’t played any legal games. The other side won’t be able to hang themselves while hiding under the carpet. I don’t think your Federal Judge with the alter ego is going to get to meet him

        • Monster

          @ Guest – It is up to the judge. He can instruct the jury to do do pretty much anything he wants and right now its all in hands..there’s no jury involved.

        • tonyj

          He kinda reminds me of Mitt Romney.

    • innomen

      I agree but not because of possible evidence against but because of all the evidence for.

      The crazy raid, the spying, the seizures, etc etc. The gov won’t make those mistakes again.

      The gov is now fighting an uphill battle, it would be madness to change the field.

      • FrostyC

        To my knowledge, Kim Dotcom does not have a U.S. address. So the U.S. based address argument is moot. I’m thinking Swizz Beatz is mighty paranoid about right now.

    • Obama

      If we had ‘real’ evidence our lawyers would have presented by now instead of using delay tactics.

      • Guest

        If they had the evidence (which i doubt they have the evidence) then why refuse to comply with the NZ judge ruling that they have to present fuller evidence before the extradition hearing? The US so want to get Kim Dotcom extradited and yet they refuse to adhere to NZ court ruling and just cause further delay. Perhaps they care causing delay of not presenting evidence because there is no actual prsenting evidence for extradition.

        • MadAsASnake

          Because it was obtained illegally through government spy agencies?

      • Monster

        i’d have to say you’ve never been involved in any court cases? hahaha

    • Guest

      I mean come on! This corrupted judge is claiming that the sky is purple with green dot!

      The US justice system is now totally falling apart.

      I am buying as many weapons and as big as I can afford them right now because it is obvious that we will have to fight to get our country back and protect the land of the free..

      • Guest

        Yeah. I mean holy fuck, “it is doubtful that Congress would stamp with approval a procedural rule permitting a foreign corporate defendant to intentionally violate the laws of this country”?

        1. It hasn’t been proven that Dotcom violated the laws of the United States.
        2. It hasn’t been proven that he did so intentionally.
        3. The trial is supposed to determine his guilt or innocence, but it looks like O’Grady has already decided he’s guilty.
        3. It doesn’t matter if Dotcom violated the laws of the United States anyway because he’s well outside of their fucking jurisdiction.

        Judge Liam O’Grady is a corrupt piece of shit and I’d say he can go choke on a bag of dicks if I didn’t get the feeling he’d enjoy that.

        • Guest

          *4

          derp

        • Colin Carr

          And implicit in the following is the intensely irritating, and false, idea that the American Empire’s writ applies everywhere on Earth.
          “It is doubtful that Congress would stamp with approval a procedural rule permitting a foreign corporate defendant to intentionally violate the laws of this country, yet evade jurisdiction of the United States by purposefully failing to establish an address here,”
          Slowly, slowly, the USA will lose its ability to bully the world. Trouble is, I’m far from sure the new bully, China, will be any better.

        • Guest

          “It doesn’t matter if Dotcom violated the laws of the United States anyway because he’s well outside of their fucking jurisdiction. ”
          Megaupload was accessable in the USA. If you launched a rocket to the USA and killed people, you’d still have commited the crime, even though you weren’t in the country. The internet is global, he had some responsibility to comply with different country laws or just censor off the countries.

        • Asashii

          yeah that havent had court yet CORRECT, you get arrested then go to trial.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Maybe da judge is colorblind. I had a friend who had a green car that he thought was orange.

    • Cole311

      According to “Rule 4” of criminal procedure the authorities have to serve a company at an address in the United States. However, since Megaupload is a Hong Kong company, this was and is impossible.

      The government broke the “rule 4″ and still have not served Dotcom on a US based address,,,I think they should have been granted the complete dismissal and they should continue to ask for it. The legal advisors asked for a temporary dismissal before and it wasnt approved now all of a sudden when they introduced complete dismissal….oh yeah you can have temp. dismissal. This Judge is a moron and the Gov. is abusing their power not to mention jurisdiction,

    • Flubaluba

      Kim offered to stand trial in America if he was guaranteed the same rights as all American citizens are guaranteed.
      He knows that any judge/jury should find him innocent . The problem is that the DOJ knows this, so what they are doing is stretching this out as much as possible and trying to destroy him financially.
      If he manages to start up a few more businesses on the internet and make millions more in profit, while destroying Hollywood and the American monopoly on music around the world he will have won and this case will be all about the DOJ protecting themselves from having to pay billions of compensation.

      • FU2

        Well I sure hope he does not destroy Hollywood. After all there are some good movies coming out of this system. Amiright?

    • Conservative

      Obama can dismiss this case permanently, any time he wants.

      Obama is the supreme imperial dictator of the DOJ. If Obama says “Drop the case” then it gets dropped.

      Obama will never drop the case because he is a paid employee of the MAFIAA.

      When you elect a hardcore career criminal to be an illegal president, this is what you get.

  • World Police?

    So america should be able to bring US law to anyone anywhere? yeah, not being able to do that is narrow thinking.

    • MadAsASnake

      I think the point was that Mega was doing business in the US, and that as such the lack of a registered office should not prevent prosecution. Failure to serve or charge certainly should prevent prosecution of course…

      • technobach

        I think the real question here is where the internet is. While it’s true that they had customers in US, it sounds like they don’t have any servers.

        • MadAsASnake

          The seized carpathia servers were in the US. I do agree – new norms are needed for internet law. SOPA, PIPA, TPP and other destructive junk from the MPAA is NOT it.

        • Mr. Dotse

          According to US law any website registered with a US base domain such as .com is considered to be under US jurisdiction.
          Which ofcourse makes the laws of serving the defendant somewhat difficult. To be fair Judge Liam O’Grady seems to be bending over backwards to accomandate this though. Mr. Dotcom had a public adress and whould’ve been easy to serve if needed, so if the “alter-ego” argument works, serving Dotcom should’ve been done prior.

        • Guest

          It’s domain name was owned by the USA, Megaupload even had US servers.

      • Rekrul

        Playboy does business world-wide over the internet. Does that mean that they can now be prosecuted for violating obscenity laws in the middle east?

        • Jeys

          Exactly. Running an adult website is illegal according to Indian law. So just because the site is available to users in India make all adult website operators in the US liable to Indian prosecution?

      • Dondilly

        If the financial transactions were with the HK based company with that fact being made known to customers at the point of payment along with the usual note on hk law and consumer rights applying, i would say the customer is importing a service from HK. If a uk citizen pays an american company for goods or services, it is US consumer law that applies. The argument would be strengthened in dotcoms case if there have been no ads directly targetting the US market.

        The argument that the use of carpathia as one of the hosts being indicative of doing business in the states is also a false one. The combination of history and the USAs geographic location between the asia pacific region and europe has meant most countries’ bandwidth points to the usa as a global exchange point. This position has resulted in it being a prime location for servers.

        If you compare to tangible goods and the companies were megawidget, a hk based widget seller who contracted distribution and delivery t to a global logistics company like dhl who looked after stock and distributionn, with megawidget sending the order details to dhl for processing and dispatch. It is not uncommon for the logistics company after determining demand in each location, to ship goods to forward depots in bulk as it saves on distribution, admin and processing customs papers. While this results in faster delivery to the customer, it is still in law an hk business transaction.

        • MadAsASnake

          I was simply reflecting on what the judge was saying. I think that the Internet raises a few jurisdictional issues – but none that transcend rule of law. Issues such as who to serve and where should be sorted out by the prosecutor before it goes in front of a judge. It should have been dismissed.

    • SandraModel

      same thing I read, I was like wtf, and am tripping over that big time. It basically says America owns the world.

  • World Police?

    wait, did i read that right? they can exdradite THEN serve papers? eh?

    • Anyone

      to people, yes

      • RobertKingPedo

        they are going to use one of them as the ‘company’ though. the USA is fucked up.

        • MadAsASnake

          Made same point below – It they may have to give up the other members of the company if they do that (the others being part of the company structure and part of the proceedings shows the absurdity of course – Mega is a company). Too much making it up as they go along here.

  • Anyone

    does he get his stuff back if it is dismissed temporarily?
    what about the servers? will they be freed when it is dismissed?

    • Violated0

      The US Government would make any return of property as slow and as painful as possible with appeal after appeal lasting years.

  • MadAsASnake

    Yes, dismiss. Once that is done, the failure of DOJ to return the seized assets becomes more untenable every day. I guess also that such an interpretation of Rule 4 (that Dotcom is in effect Mega) might be fatal to the prosecutions of the others. DOJ is clearly having an awful lot of trouble getting it’s ducks in a row – mostly, it doesn’t seem to have enough of them!

    • Colin Carr

      Of course, making a person the alter ego of a corporation opens the door to criminal proceedings against CEOs and other directors of REAL rogue corporations…. Laws of unintended consequences anybody?

      • MadAsASnake

        Absolutely. So the UK could charge Dodd with bribery and extradite him to Britain to do so. As the UK permits private criminal prosecutions, O’Dwyer could do so…

  • http://twitter.com/CopyrightCartel copyright cartel

    What the fuck ever happend to “Quid pro Quo” mothers. After THE FUCKING FACT SHIT.

  • Call Of Duty Troll

    Lol Call of Duty is praised? Really? FAP FAP FAP

  • got runs?

    Judge Liam O’Grady is a fucking idiot. The US broke the law and that’s not in dispute.

  • anon

    Fuck the USA

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Expected nothing less. A federal judge to say his court doesn’t have jurisdiction for cases of interstate commerce (which is how they see Mega since it is on the Internet) would be a big stretch and a shot to the ego of a federal judge.

    However I have a feeling the judge knows damn well that NZ will not extradite Dotcom.

    • Guest

      If NZ refuses to extradite Kim Dotcom and I believe that extradition will be refused on the grounds that he will not get a fair trial because of the illegal actions committed by both the US and NZ over warrants, search and raid, transfering of data from NZ to US and now spying. If indeed there is no extradition then will be no court case and trial and if that happens will the money and assets still remain frozen and seized by the US if there is no extradition and court case and trial or will these all be returned. It is possible that the US court could find him guilty without his presence being in the US and therefore get to keep all the frozen and seized assets for themselves. I wouldn’t be surprised that the US will do something to have all all this frozen and seized money confiscated for themselves amd that Kim Dotcom will never get any of these frozen and seized assets and money back that the US has seized and frozen.

      • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

        If they do, it will take them years to “process” it all. That’s what I suspect in the unusual event that the upcoming hearing goes in favor of the sports photographer. Then, what recourse will they have if the data is magically missing? In the case of the federal government, you would only have recourse to sue if you can prove that an individual violated agency rules. Good luck getting cops to help you. The power of sovereign immunity.

        • Guest

          And if that happens you can sure bet that they will have Kim Dotcom in a solitary cell on suicide watch 24/7 waking him up every 10 minutes or so and not allowing him any visitors or access to reading material or tv should it harm him etc.

      • Asashii

        and your grounds being of what proof of illegal activity by these governments, other than fatass-dot-dipshit running his over eating mouth, you profit you suck

    • d_e_n_n_i_s

      alter ego

  • Datavetaren

    Can someone straighten this out for me. If the case is temporarily dismissed, then Megaupload has not broken the law _until_ Kim Dotcom in person is on american soil. However, NZ will only extradite Kim Dotcom _if_ he has broken US law, which then he hasn’t. Case closed?

    • Guest

      I think it has to be a crime in both NZ and US in order to be extradited and if it is not a crime in NZ then he won’t be extradited. I could be wrong though.

      • Datavetaren

        No you’re right that it has to be crime in NZ as well. Reading the extradition procedure here: http://www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/treaties-and-international-law/Extradition-Act-summary.pdf. It states clearly that “Involves conduct that would be regarded as criminal had it occurred in New Zealand, and would have carried a similar penalty.”

        Given the fuck-ups with GCSB, etc. it is likely that Kim Dotcom would have had the case dismissed if prosecuted in NZ. I’m so eager to see what will happen at the extradition hearing (a couple of months from now).

        • Guest

          Lets hope the US will comply with the court ruling (pending appeal outcome of course) in having to give fuller disclosure of evidence before the extradition hearing. If the court ruling stands and the US still refuses to comply with giving further disclosure evidence before the extradition hearing then that too could rule in Dotcoms favour as it could be seen that the US will not allow Dotcom to have a fair trial.

        • d_e_n_n_i_s

          Those Executive-written guides can be misleading. Better to read the Act itself. http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0055/latest/DLM25681.html

  • Andrew Lee

    Don’t you know it’s only illegal when it does not benefit us… Don’t look at me my government is fucking nuts and NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR A DAMN ONE OF THEM.

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  • foff

    That was the biggest bs ruling I have ever read. If the company has no presence, and servers don’t count as a presence because they are not real estate, The company cannot be served. They have no evidence that Dot.com personally committed any crime. This judge is nothing more than a fucking obama shill when obama loses the election all bets are off on this case as none of the lawyers on this case will have a job and I am sure the new doj will want to sweep this embarrassment under the carpet.

    • Rekrul

      Except that Obama will probably get re-elected.

      • Anyone

        because Romney is much worse

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Obama shill? Please. He is a CORPORATE shill, not an Obama shill. You think that this would be any better with Rob-Me in office? No fucking way, if anything it would be worse.

      • Kpicard89

        Obama is a corporate shill.

      • Asashii

        speaking of rob-me, has dot-fatass missed a meal

  • foff

    That was the biggest bs ruling I have ever read. If the company has no presence, and servers don’t count as a presence because they are not real estate, The company cannot be served. They have no evidence that Dot.com personally committed any crime. This judge is nothing more than a fucking obama shill when obama loses the election all bets are off on this case as none of the lawyers on this case will have a job and I am sure the new doj will want to sweep this embarrassment under the carpet.

  • Burn Hollywood Burn

    I understand NZ can extradite Dotcom if he has commited certain crimes in the US. I also believe thats why racketeering is one of them as this falls under the treaty NZ has with the US. I also believe people are under estimating John Keys commitment to the US and his Govt will do anything they possibly can to ensure their masters in the states are happy. This is evident through their own criminal activities in spying and lying. The most unfortunate part of all this is the general public in NZ will simply roll over and accept such actions as this dosnt affect them on a personal level. Once it does it will be too late.

    • Datavetaren

      But this assumes that the extradition can be solely based on political decisions, yet NZ has an independent court system (I hope). If the court rules that NZ cannot extradite, then so be it. Or?

      • d_e_n_n_i_s

        The Court can rule the application before it as a nullity, or as being too flawed, but that does not prevent the Minister of Justice from reapplying for extradition again. Double jeopardy doesn’t apply until conviction and sentence, unless you consider Megaupload’s death sentence without trial as relevant

      • MadAsASnake

        NZ Courts have been doing a pretty good job do date. Shame none of the other authorities have…

    • Guest

      If the crime Dotcom has been committed of is also a crime in NZ then he could be extradited but if there are grounds that Dotcom will not face a fair trial then he may not be extradited but so far the NZ court has ruled that the warrant, raid, search and seizure of property from the home, transfering of data to the US and now spying have all been illegal. It is possible that the court could rule that being as the action taken from both the US and NZ have been illegal with regards to the case then it looks as though Dotcom may not face a fair trial and therefore extradition is refused. Also at the moment the US has been told that it must provide/give fuller disclosure of evidence before the extradition but so far the US has plainly refused to do so. This refusual could also be seen that Dotcom may not get a fair trial. We shall all see what happens in March but I have this feeling that the US through the Crown Court will try and delay the extradition hearing yet again and have it put back a further say 6 months to September 2013 but that is my own opinion which could well be proved wrong.

      • MadAsASnake

        NZ Courts are not happy about criminal charges depending solely on civil ones. Even if the civil claim was proved (unlikely) the criminal elements would still be – difficult. I suspect extradition will be denied as its a civil issue and not remotely close to the requirements for extradition.

  • WinxMoo

    lol, US kangaroo courts crack me up sometimes.
    AnonTool.tk

  • Anonymous

    The US has been complaining about job outsourcing for years. Now, thanks to this judge, any country that wants to avoid the US’s crazy laws is also going to avoid US hosting companies, since apparently if you rent servers from a US company but “purposely fail” to establish a local address, you’re still arbitrarily subject to US law.

    Well, I guess it’s only fair for people who hate outsourcing to also hate being outsourced to. But I still think the judge out to at least personally apologize to everyone who loses their job because of his statement, especially in this economy.

  • Dxloat

    Arrrrgggg, will someone please nuke us here in the US and just get this painfull death of our democracy over with.

    • d_e_n_n_i_s

      Don’t need to. You’ve got enough old GE reactors lying around the place all by yourselves

  • QuestionsNeededAnwser

    I’ve been following this case for sometime now but there’s still something that’s escaping me maybe someone can enlighten me:

    How can the US seize servers in other countries or freeze accounts in non-US banks ?

    Because if I am correct to assume Megaupload had servers all-over the world and I’m pretty sure not all bank accounts are in US banks so unless Megaupload is getting sued in various courts all-over the world should servers and bank accounts in other countries be released

    • Guest

      US had a word with Hong Kong and Hong Kong bent over in helping the US with seizing the company, assets and money for them.

    • Mr. Dotse

      Extradition treaties between NZ and US allow not only for extradition by due process, but freezing of assets.
      It’s unclear how the hong-kong servers where siezed. Maybe another treaty, maybe by simply asking or threatening the service provider.
      It appears to me though that if extratition is denied, all NZ assets whould be released.

    • Violated0

      They could not have done what they did for Copyright Infringement so they pumped up the claims to include Racketeering and Money Laundering. So by making Mega appear to be the next Mafia-like organization they opened doors to allow other countries to agree with their actions.

      This is a win situation for the US Government when Mega can only discredit these claims as the bullshit they are once in a full trial. Until they day the DoJ and FBI tightly hold on to all the evidence that proves his innocence.

  • GeorgeDWarren

    americans should be ashamed of themselves. yes, even the ones that against these bullying tactics, because they should do more to prevent their country from openly being so aggressive so as to transcend fundamental human rights that are PROTECTED by its very own constitution! What hypocrites, lambasting iran, n. korea, even china for not allowing free speech and other fundamental rights, when they themselves are using espionage, illegal tactics and gross misinterpretation of the laws to extradite people like dotcom and assange.
    shame on you america, you are not a country to look up to anymore, you are now one of the most hated tyrannical societies in the WORLD!
    FUCK OBAMA, FUCK ROMNEY, FUCK USA AND ITS PEOPLE.

    • Guest

      There are only two ways we can fight against our abusive government. One, rise up. Two, vote the evil fuckers out. Unfortunately there are major problems with both.

      If we try to rise up, we’ll just get gunned down by the police or military.

      We can’t vote the evil fuckers out because the only people running for office are exclusively evil fuckers. We’d just be voting a few of them out to replace them with more of the same.

      So the American people are kind of trapped between a rock and a hard place. Rebellion? Get killed. Reform the government through civil means? Not even possible at this point.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        I don’t know…. the police and the military are getting just as tired of this blatant corruption as we are. They might actually JOIN us, the majority of them, in our uprising.

        • Colin Carr

          Don’t count on it. Their wages come from the government, so unless it looks likely the government will be overthrown, they’ll remain ‘loyal’.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Colin Carr, I have to disagree. I have talked with many police officers who have said that they would join in a rebellion against our government, getting their paychecks from the government or not, because they are getting sick and tired of the corruption in our government today.

          They also realize that by standing against the American people on this subject, they would be putting their LIVES in danger. Same thing with ex-military people, honorably discharged and not.

          There comes a time where you have to realize that treason /= overthrowing your government when they are corrupt.

    • Dxloat

      And exactly what “more” should we do? We get to choose 1 of 2 shitty politicians from 2 shitty political parties to lead our country. We like to boast about our great democracy here in the US but the truth is we don’t live in a democracy, more of a plutocracy. We like to live by the credo that “Might Makes Right” and shit all over the rest of the world. Truth is most of the “allies” we have would cut our throats in a heartbeat if we stopped dumping money in their laps. You might say we have all the friends money can buy but few if any real allies.

    • ScrewEwe2

      I’m sorry George, I know you may find it rude, but my alter ego just flipped you the bird. There was nothing I could do to stop him. That alter ego does some strange assed things sometimes.

      “What”? “OK”. My alter ego wants me to join him in saying “Fuck You” in 24bit stereo, but Disqus won’t allow for the uploading wave files, as of yet, so….

      Fuck You

    • Guest

      Newsflash asshole, the entire world is corrupt.

  • d_e_n_n_i_s

    I wonder if the judge’s case of alter ego came to mind at the two-hundred and ninety-ninth repetition of ‘conspiracy’ and ‘co-conspirators’ or the three-hundred and fifty-seventh? That is, assuming he has finally found time to read the indictment? In New Zealand we would say ‘the accused’ or ‘the co-accused’

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Calling MegaUpload an ‘alter-ego’ of Kim Dotcom is like calling Microsoft an alter-ego of Bill Gates. It just doesn’t make any sense to anyone with even the smallest bit of mental processing power.

      • Guest

        But the DOJ will do everything possible to make sure that the judge in the case sees and rules in there favour that Dotcom is an alter ego of Megaupload and the Judge will no doubt rule on it being that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    I don’t see Apple running to the feds over Samsung aledged copyrihjt/patent infringement (or vice versa). Any sales/import ban has been after a full hearing of both sides and limited to the items in question. You have to ask (though blatently obvious) why the MAFIAA gets preferential treatment with the rule of law and the rights and protections under it are thrown out the window.

    It is fairly safe to say that the extradition in NZ is collapsing, One thing this rulling does do is effectively acknowledge the feds lack of jurisdiction in the case which will help chip away at the extradition case. However in the USA it effectively puts Mega assets in Limbo as there appears to be no time constraint to break the cyclic needing to serve to get the extradition but cant serve until he gets on US soil.

    The other long term risk to Dotcom is the risk to his freedom were he ever to visit another country where judges seem more interested in doing the government’s bidding rather than protecting citizen rights. The UK being a good example.

    • Colin Carr

      Yes, even assuming the extradition request is thrown out, KDC would be well advised to spend the rest of his days in New Zealand. The USA is known to be a vengeful nation and would try to grab him were he to go to, for instance, Australia.
      So to that extent, and to the extent that the US has seized most of his assets, the MAFIAA c*nts have won whatever happens. However, KDC can best respond by setting up a successor company and destroying the MAFIAA’s dinosaur business model.

      • Guest

        Dotcom could ask Ecquador for political assylum, maybe they will welcome him with opens arms if he tells them that he will operate the Megabox business in there country.

  • Violated0

    I believe Judge O’Grady has made a bad ruling there when a Judge should always aim to narrowly define a law. Since he did not do that Judge O’Grady is now only putting words into the mouth of Congress that they did not voice while this rampant Judge aims to rewrite the law books in the way he wants.

    If he wants to take a wider view he should first PROVE that they did intend to include foreign organizations. He is also overlooking that those in Congress may have had another intention in that foreign organizations should be litigated in the county in which they are based.

    For Judges to widely interpret the law would lead to different Judges reaching different conclusions on what Congress might had said. You then have pandemonium as different Judges fight with each other over what the law might have said.

    The end truth is that if Congress wants foreign organizations to be served then they should go back and to write that into the very law. You certainly can ask why they have not done that to date? Would they really want other countries to do the same like China destroying US corporations for breaking Chinese law?

    Clearly Judge O’Grady has messed up and is simply pandering to the US Government so the whole case does not collapse at his feet. At least a temporary suspension may help them when how can they be extradited for a suspended case? Based on what the FBI/DoJ have said so far then they only intend to serve him once he is at a US address.

    No one here has ever called Kim Dotcom as Mega or MegaUpload so that alias idea won’t go far when people just see MegaUpload as one of the businesses that Kim Dotcom owns.

    • Guest

      I am sure that the US government will make up something and make it stick that Kim Dotcom is the alter ego of Megaupload and the judge will fall for it, This Judge hasn’t got the balls to stand up to the DOJ and the big MAFFIA corporations. Perhaps this judge is too scared that he won’t get a pension after this case if he displeases the DOJ, MAFFIA and the government with coming out with utter bullshit to keep this case going.

      • Dondilly

        The problem with cases like this, that have whitehouse fingerprints all over it is that judges will cynically look after their own career prospects over those of any defendant. Correct me if Im wrong, but while in many jurisdictions, judges at state/county level are elected but federal judges and certainly supreme court judges are essentially political appointments. Even if the judges are nominated by existing judges at that level, their appointment is subject to political approval. This results in judges frequently given the gov the benefit of doubt at the expense of the defendent.

      • ScrewEwe2

        I’m Hugh Heffners alter ego, but I ain’t gettin’ as much action as I’d like, or as Heffner get’s.

    • d_e_n_n_i_s

      Very good comment. Especially the converse argument re China. That is not actually as mythical as it sounds

      • Violated0

        You may then find this comment posted by G Thompson on TechDirt as insightful concerning the nature of sovereignty…

        I think the Judge really needs to be re-educated on comity, especially in regards to Hilton v. Guyot, 159 U.S. 113 (1895) where Justice Fuller opines

        No law has any effect beyond the limits of the sovereignty from which its authority is derived. The extent to which one nation shall be allowed to operate within the dominion of another nation, depends upon the comity of nations. Comity is neither a matter of absolute obligation, nor of mere courtesy and good will. It is a recognition which one nation allows within its territory to the legislative, executive or judicial acts of another nation, having due regard both to international duty and convenience, and to the rights of its own citizens or other persons who are under the protection of its laws. The comity thus extended to other nations is no impeachment of sovereignty. It is the voluntary act of the nation by which it is offered, and is inadmissible when contrary to its policy, or prejudicial to its interests. But it contributes so largely to promote justice between individuals, and to produce a friendly intercourse between the sovereignty to which they belong, that courts of justice have continually acted upon it, as a part of the voluntary law of nations. It is not the comity of the courts, but the comity of the nation, which is administered and ascertained in the same way, and guided by the same reasoning, by which all other principles of municipal law are ascertained and guided.

        In fact Congress most likely did not allow universal jurisdiction in regards to foreign corporations not having a presence in the US due to this principle of comity and the problem that if they did allow such that other sovereignties would be justified in doing the same against US interests.

    • ScrewEwe2

      “A Complaint has been filed with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales (the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human beings.”

      http://www.bushtothehague.org/

      The DOJ want’s Dotcom extradited to the US, but the official stance of the US government is to not recognize any extradition attempts of US citizens for trial at The Hague or elsewhere. George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales can’t travel overseas anymore for fear of being apprehended by forign entities and prosecuted. Personally, I would find it beyond ludicrous if a foreign government tried to extradite me for any reaon, and I don’t recognize The Hague’s jurisdiction whatsoever, and I don’t think the DOJ should have the right to extradite Kim Dotcom or Richard O’Dwyer. It’s a slippery slope thang.

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    someone pls help me understand what is happening here and if i am anywhere near right

    if Kim gets extradited to the USA, he can then be served. if he doesn’t get extradited, he cant be served. so first question is, how long can the USA keep trying to get him extradited? i assume if the first attempt fails, they will appeal, so how many appeals will be allowed?
    how long can the USA keep refusing to give up the ‘evidence’ they supposedly have for their case? there must be a limit on not passing it on for examination and rebuttal, otherwise, accused people would never be free of accusations or able to defend themselves.
    why has the judge been allowed to interpret what Congress meant when they made a law? surely, the law is what it is, not what someone else thinks it should be, just to please one side of a case, in this instance the USA DoJ. if Kim tried to get the judge to interpret what Congress meant so it suited him, there would be all hell let loose!
    why should the judge be able to wait before dismissing the case until Kim is possibly extradited to the USA and then served? he had no US address when the charges etc were brought against him and has no US address now. is the case going to be allowed to be put on to the back burner in case Kim gets a US address at some time in the future, even if he isn’t extradited? i very much doubt he would be so stupid as to do that. that leaves just the US DoJ or similar kidnapping him from wherever and shipping him off to the USA against his will. would that cause some sort of shit storm or what??

    so, any explanations out there?

    • Colin Carr

      Not sure if a failure to extradite can be appealed. If it can, I’d guess a maximum of 2 appeals, one to the Appeal Cout, and one to NZ’s highest court.

      Judges have to interpret the law as it sometimes covers things not dreamt of when the statute was enacted. But the WAY the law gets interpreted is important. It should be done fairly and impartially, not with an eye to the judge’s future career. How optimistic are you on that score?

      If all else fails, don’t be surprised at a kidnap attempt. They’ll then declare KDC a ‘terrorist’ and he’ll never see the light of day again, let alone justice. Of course, if the story leaked out, as it would, expect the NZ popular and judicial reaction to be loud – especially if their gov.t tries to keep the lid on it.

      And your question about being served or not. The whole thing is straight out of Franz Kafka!

      • MadAsASnake

        If it’s dismissed, they won’t get the same support (NZ Police, GCSB) second time around

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Don’t be too sure about that. I am thinking that even though this gave them a black eye, they will just be better at ‘hiding their tracks’ the next time.

      • Asashii

        he could probably stand to loose a little weight

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