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KickassTorrents Ditches .Com Domain Over Seizure Worries

The recent developments around domain name seizures by the U.S. authorities has prompted another major torrent site to move to a new domain as a precaution. KickassTorrents, one of the most visited torrent sites on the Internet, has announced it will soon replace its .com domain name with the Philippine extension .ph.

kickasstorrentsOver the past several months a series of domain name seizures by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has resulted in a mild panic among the owners of file-sharing related sites.

Knowing that they could lose their domain name without warning or due process, many have already secured several alternative domains. Others have taken it a step further and decided to move their sites to non-US controlled domains as a precaution. This example has not been followed by one of the most visited torrent sites.

KickassTorrents has been feeling the heat recently. It was one of the sites reported to the US Government last November by the MPAA, who said that it had a “commercial look and feel that could deceive users into thinking it is legitimate.” The United States Trade Representative (USTR) later copied this description in its overview of sites that are “notorious for infringing activities.”

Paired with the domain seizures, the increasing pressure from the entertainment industry lobby prompted the KickassTorrents team to look out for a new home. Soon the site will no longer be accessible on the .com domain, but on the Philippine extension .ph.

KickassTorrent’s founder told TorrentFreak that the move is mostly a precaution and that it is not related to a direct threat. Currently it is possible to access the site through both extensions, but we were informed that the site will move to the new domain entirely in the next two weeks.

“It is not a secret that today everything related to torrents gets a lot of heat from various organizations. So for the safety of our users and to secure the work of KickassTorrents we will in time lose the .com address,” the KickassTorrents team further informed its users in a recent announcement.

Earlier this week members of the US Congress pledged to pass a new bill which would further legitimize domain seizures as an anti-piracy tool. Several representatives, both Democratic and Republican, spoke out against online piracy in support of tougher measures.

The question is, however, how effective this type of measure is in the first place. As illustrated earlier, the costs in the form of constitutional issues and censorship concerns could outweigh the marginal results. KickassTorrents’ decision to move to a new domain is another example of how easily it can be to avoid a seizure.

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  • Orfetheo

    1st

    • hotdog

      flagged

    • Trespass

      Okay Random Pirate, you are first, so what. At least comment ABOUT the article. What, are you six years old and racing in line when the teacher says, “Line UP”?

      Good move KA. Everyone will be moving away from dot com soon.

      • Rage

        Man people really hate the “first post” here

        • http://twitter.com/ltamake Link Tamake

          Because it’s annoying and childish.

      • Oliver Davenport

        Well, “illegal” sites will move away from .com, but the vast majority of sites will remain on .com as it is the most common. Tell someone any website name, but not the TLD (suffix). I bet they will try .com first.

        • Anonymous

          Two weeks ago, i moved my three business websites away from the .com TLD. I waited until i had to renew them, but had already decided i will not finance, use or support it anymore. I will be advising all my customers to do the same, they will just take my word anyway in most cases. I vote with my money as it seems to be the only thing that matters anymore.

        • brudda

          It’s the only that’s ever mattered…ain’t nuthin’ new here.

        • punk

          Use .org as good alternative to .com, via a European registry: .org is administerd by Afilias, the second-big registry after Verisign, and Afilias in incorporated in Ireland. The Pirate Bay does this via european registry Key Systems (domaindiscount24) and have yet to have a DNS problem.
          If you are using .com/.net via GoDaddy/Verisign you are simply asking for it my friend. Using a national registry (like .ph, .ch etc.) is probably not a good idea, they are usually government-controlled and are easily pressured into dropping domains in the interest of good foreign relations with say, US.

      • Anonymous

        yeah, Trespass. .com is sooooo 2008-ish anyway.

        also, http://kickarsetorrents.tk/ ?_?

  • 666

    inb4 soon to see thepiratebay.ph

  • random pirate

    good news anyway. hope they all dump the .com domain, that’ll kick america in the ass.

  • hotdog

    Nice the Philippine lol kickass Best move yet:)

    • Anonymous

      The Philippines makes me laugh but I question if this is a good move. History shows strong US and Philippine links. The Philippines also depends on much foreign aid and trade which means the US can negotiate domain removal. Local corruption can also easily by-pass the justice system. Then local society does display anti-piracy efforts when the cinemas are concerned.

      So in my view a risky move and time will tell if my concerns are valid.

      Going to an .eu domain is the best choice so far. The EU cant be easily bullied around and they strongly follow law and justice. So at least there you would get a voice.

      I also do not believe a site should abandon a .com domain when it is a valuable resource and if ICE goes and steals it then only more problems for them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Mcintier/1146574107 Sean Mcintier

        I would suggest China or somewhere of the likes. Compared to China, the EU is Americas b*tch

        • Sirduke25

          eu is no bitch to no1 especially the UK , we are friends with the states but we aint no bitch as all will find owt if they fk wid us lol… we just gave you half the world back ffs

  • Dan

    .ph? Why? The local registrar has crappy service and our country is a lapdog for the US. They should’ve gotten a .eu or .co instead.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention but it was a “.com” which is run by icann and verisign. Those are the channels they are exploiting. Also everyone is America’s lapdog. Fuck, they best fix their webserver where we can access that shit from IP…

      • Anonymous

        Time to update my hosts file…

  • Anonymous

    cant say as I blame them, it only makes sense. Stick their noses up to the US regime lol.

    anon-tools.no.tc

    • We Hate Spam

      Another domain registration? All the others getting blocked for too much spam, eh?

      Hopefully this one will be next.

      • gush

        TF will you please block .tc and .tk in hyperlink?

  • Hippydude

    yup .ph not the brightest idea

    • Oliver Davenport

      Remember, the .eu and other TLDs will probably already be taken – this was probably a decision based on price to buy the domain from it’s owner.

  • Trololol

    “This example has not been followed by one of the most visited torrent sites.” Correction, “now”.
    Also, preemptive measures ensure a long life.

  • http://twitter.com/ltamake Link Tamake

    Go KAT!

  • Anonymous

    When will TorrentFreak ditch it’s .com domain?

    • Anonymous

      try torrentfreak.eu

      • Anonymous

        it redirects back to torrentfreak.com

        • Anonymous

          EU Domain —> COM Domain —> Hosting

          If ICE seize the COM domain then…

          EU Domain —> Hosting

          Clear enough.

        • Ninja

          Because it’s easy to config a domain to point wherever so if the .com is ever seized TF can quickly switch the .eu to the correct address.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah but why keep supporting it? Lets all dump it as the no1 choice.

        • Ninja

          I have to agree with you. And once most start dumping it then ppl will realize there’s life beyond .com.

  • entropy13

    lol why did they choose our domain?

  • http://twitter.com/Seshan Seshan

    why not .me like demoniod did?

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  • Whatever

    Now that the MAFIAA is making so much money more since the seizure of the domain names the US don’t really need the business and money from some “pirates” who are ditching com domains which supported their domain name industry.

    Taking down a few small ones causes a slow starting but increasingly faster exodus as can be seen now.

    As for the legality of domain name seizures. If you make laws, you can first try out something illegal to see what happens and then legalize it.

    Would be a nice excuse for a traffic violation. Just tell the policeman that some day it might become legal so he put his little ticket book away.

    @TF: Did you also check if it had a “devastating” effect on the counterfit product sites.
    It would be more than a total failure if even those sites are up and running for business again. (i think you guys have a load of time on your hands… btw where is your “newsreader”..haven’t seen her for some time now)

    • Ninja

      I can’t tell if the “load of time on your hands” part was ironic or moronic. But yes, it would be laughable if the result of domain seizures to counterfeit products sites was harmless. While I don’t support counterfeit stuff, the industry is at fault for this flourishing market. And I’d still laugh at the US futile attempt to stop the main focus of the seizures.

      • Whatever

        It’s just a joke because they don’t have the resources to do everything.

        The issue is that they not only failed to destroy secondary target but maybe their primary target also survived their attack.

        • Ninja

          O gotcha. Then it’s a double thumbs up for your post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    sad really, the only long term effect of domain name seizures is to deprive uk domain registrars revenue and thus put jobs at risk.

    Ditto US based hosting, with so many countries to host in, the only effect of seizing or taking down US hosted sites is to deprive the hosting companies of business.

  • SL

    This is exactly what I said would happen, there would be no effect at all, well apart from taking business away.

    Sites would just move away and it just proves how retarded and short sited the US authorities are.

  • Love Giggles N Cupcakes

    I don’t know what I’d do without KickAss… so glad they are covering their bases!

    • Ninja

      I hit like in your comment for the “exceedingly high” innocence. Go my child, venture the vast world of P2P and see that besides kickass there is TPB, Demonoid, Torrentz, isohunt…………..

    • Ninja

      I hit like in your comment for the “exceedingly high” innocence. Go my child, venture the vast world of P2P and see that besides kickass there is TPB, Demonoid, Torrentz, isohunt…………..

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    I love how people assume that copyright law is exclusive and relocating out of state means they won’t be pursued.

    • Ninja

      I felt tempted to ignore you and reply making fun of you all at the same time. The second temptation was bigger.

      You don’t learn do you Jackie, US law != other countries law. So yes, moving out of the US means they won’t be pursued, specially when most are hosted on countries where they are legal.

      In another news I found out that in my country it’s fully legal to share files for non-commercial purposes. Time for some champagne! Oh Jackie, got the hint there? Kickass and the likes are legal here ;))

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        Looks like someone never realized that copyright is present in every country’s legal system. Sorry to burst your bubble, but every country that is part of the wto is bound by intellectual property laws. Including the Philippines. Kickass torrents cannot possibly be legal in any country that abides by copyright law because the site violates the fundamental tenants of letting the rights holder control how their work is distributed.

        You have been ninja’d.

        • Guest

          But in the philipines they don’t do no shit about it.
          => you escape copyright law

          pwned

        • Anonymous

          Since my Pinay GF likes to watch Tagalog language movies on YouTube then I guess anything is possible.

          No one has moved a major BT site there before so time will tell.

        • Jackieo

          You have just exposed the WTO for what it really is, a club for the elite that suckers the less powerful in to a scheme that promises equality but delivers exploitation.

        • Guest

          The WTO lifts the opportunity and distribution of trade benefits to all not just the elite. The argument they deliver exploitation is a line meant to cause outrage but in reality comes straight out of the anti trade propoganda handbook.

        • Anonymous

          Stop being ignorant plz. Even though copyright applies everywhere. In Holland for example it is legal to download illegal material from an illegal source. We pay a licence fee on blank media (like most EU countries) so we can copy / download whatever we want for personal use. That is why torrent sites will never be gone and as long as you can visit us you can benefit. And we are still working on the up and downloading of weed, but it has proven to be more difficult.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          No, sorry, Jack Murdock. All you just did was lower the limbo stick of “abject and willful ignorance”.

          You see, a “torrent site” hosts absolutely no copyrighted material. If anyone holds copyright to an MD5 hash then it is the person who created the torrent file in the first place. Making it illegal for a site to host a .torrent file of Avatar would without fail make it illegal to mention such things as imdb numbers or anything else you could use to positively identify a created work.

          In NO OTHER COUNTRY does copyright law currently prohibit torrent files. And the US has had no success at all trying to push DMCA legislation on to other nations or pant-national organizations like the EU.

          This is why the pirate bay is still perfectly legal to visit in many of those nations where copyright laws are nearly as draconian as in the US.

          That aside, the domain name system is already fragmenting. In addition to ICANN there are currently at least five different root Domain systems up and running or in development. Which basically means that even if your load of erronous nonsense was literal truth all you’d end up with is an even more decentralized system of filesharing with even less vulnerability.

          You keep spouting a load of nonsense about how the authorities of this-and-that of the US will “handle” piracy. I hate to break the news but thus far all they keep accomplishing is break basic net functionality for legitimate businesses while the “pirates” remain untouched or at worst remain offline for a grand total of a few days which doesn’t really hurt them.

          And that in the end only assists piracy. We already see several perfectly legitimate sites relocating their domains or absenting them from US control altogether simply because they are concerned they’ll be collateral damage in the next round of seizures – like those 80000+ perfectly legal domains which the US DID manage to put out of commission just because they shared the same sub registration.

          I’m not sure whether you’re just trolling or if you truly are a moron as gormless as a first glance reveals you to be.

        • jmjm

          Sorry, but Philippines doesn’t have the money to give a shit about file sharing. We can’t even solve poverty. We can’t even build classrooms, provide medicine, etc. Why do we give a shit about file sharing? It’s the concern of first-world countries.

        • Mike

          Why do you bother trolling on these forums? Do you really think anyone gives a shit about what you have to say? Every time its the same thing…some super right wing comment about how downloading destroys the music/movie industry meanwhile they are all making record breaking profits. When Angelina Jolie is homeless, I’ll stop downloading. Go use your bible to help you masturbate into your shotgun.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Jack Murdock isn’t right wing – his views on information control come from so far left it’s practically located in Siberia during Stalin’s purges.

          “Right Wing” means, as far as i know, to be against any form of state-sponsored monopoly, personal owner rights to purchased products, and a free market.

          None of which is served by laws on “Intellectual Property” which are an unadulterated socialist view of thinking – that ideas once published can still be “owned”.

  • MeGuesta

    They should use .ru

    • internet jerk

      haha, soviet union wtf, wouldnt such an old top level domain be exempt from ALL icann regulations considering they existed before icann and verisign did?

      • internet jerk

        FTW***

    • book

      ru stands for ruthless. Russia has already bent over to US

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        More like the other way around. Putin may be the most competent statesman in this generation simply because he did not emerge from the political system. I’m guessing a ruthless and heinously competent former KGB spymaster put against Obama is a hands-down puppet play and nothing else. GWB was rolled every time Putin turned around and the only thing Obama has going for him is that he’s a bit smarter than GWB.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        More like the other way around. Putin may be the most competent statesman in this generation simply because he did not emerge from the political system. I’m guessing a ruthless and heinously competent former KGB spymaster put against Obama is a hands-down puppet play and nothing else. GWB was rolled every time Putin turned around and the only thing Obama has going for him is that he’s a bit smarter than GWB.

  • internet jerk

    If people insist on using torrents they should use them in darknets, perhaps some kind of invisible internet project.

    that way the technology of the darknet will improve making it faster and the media library will grow making it more useful.

    • A2884656

      Ayup. Check out https://gnunet.org

    • A2884656

      Ayup. Check out https://gnunet.org

      • Jackieo

        If everyone switched to Gnunet none of this ducking and diving would be needed any more.

        I second your suggestion A2884656 whole heartedly :)

    • AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

      Nah, we’ll just keep doing what we’re doing and use them publicly. Tens of millions of people versus 10 media conglomerates can’t be wrong.

      • Jackieo

        Seriously dude, check out Gnunet, read up how this thing works and then imagine everyone using seedboxes switching to it. The guys that designed it have allowed for swarming. Speed takes a bit of a knock but everyone is anonymous and all transfers are AES encrypted (with the possibility of using more secure methods too).

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  • Predator

    Jack Murdock
    “I love how people assume that copyright law is exclusive and relocating out of state means they won’t be pursued.”

    I love how the corporate parasites think they control everything. Hey, they don’t control our guns . BIG, BIG, BIG mistake!

    • Jack Murdock = neostyles

      I remember “I love how” phrase is often overuse by neostyles. Could he be neostyle?

      • Ugly American

        Indeed – and he always denied the fact that he was shilling for the copywrong MAFIAA. Reasoned Murdock? I would say so… ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Could someone please explain to me how the rights of corporations and Hollywood seem to trump rights of Individuals?

    • Anonymous

      Society is based on greed and those with the most money have the biggest voice.

      This is mostly done through lobbying in CONgress which is a type of corruption. The elected people there can then set policies and make laws as they are paid to do.

      The more our rich overlords panic the more citizen’s rights get trampled under their Nazi steel-toed boots.

  • Communism

    IDK why all the trackers/linkers dont just use a .su domain :P

    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/.su

    Its not icann and will piss off the media companies at the same time :P

  • 9?

    Evolution of net continues as expected. The U.S. will respond (in months, of course, far too slow to make a bit of difference.) and the next step is an alternate name resolution system resolution system.

  • Anonymous

    Many may not agree that kickassTorrents ditched its .com just to use .ph but they have already decided. Lets just support the group and see if they made the right decision or if using .ph was the craziest thing they could do.

    “We help Americans find jobs, prosperity and explore Asia.”
    For details, visit http://www.pathtoasia.com

  • http://toby7728.myopenid.com/ T3838

    They should’ve gone with a European (.eu) domain name.

    • Guest

      Isn’t the .eu domain only available to eu residents?

  • Devanite

    Does anyone know why they did not go with a .me domain?

  • Anonymous

    “…how easily it can be to avoid a seizure.”

    Ernesto, it should say: “…how easy it can be to avoid a seizure.”

  • Anonymous

    Why do YOU not use Usenet?
    It’s a way of downloading, that don’t rely on peer to peer connection, but where everything you download is gathered from massive data centers. With Usenet you will always download at full speed. It might be hard to believe, but Usenet will always use your whole bandwidth, so if you have a Internet speed of 12Mbps, you will download with the same speed.

    If you’re interested in trying Usenet, visit http://www.usenetguides.com for more information.

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