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By: CrashUK

CrashUK — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:07:58 +0000

Some of old versions of uTP in utorrant was slower.. But I can say the lastest version is a lot better.

I run utorrant on my mediacentre 24/7 using webgui..

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KTorrent primero en adoptar el protocolo uTP « Red-Orbita — Mon, 31 May 2010 22:30:06 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 31 May 2010 15:36:33 +0000

@39: For purposes of Network Address Translation a UDP stream is treated as a connection by routers.

Older hardware tends to have problems with number of connections and the packet rate (µTorrents implementation shrinks packet size, this isn’t part of the actual protocol though). Packet rate being what ISP’s complain about, small Russian ISP’s anyway.

By: Joker_

Joker_ — Mon, 31 May 2010 09:20:52 +0000

@36

“If your router messes up, well, that’s just a shitty router that can’t handle many open connections at once.”

uTP runs over UDP. There is no such concept as “open connection” in UDP communication. You might want rephrase your comment because obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.

By: Super Torrent Freaky

Super Torrent Freaky — Sun, 30 May 2010 08:07:12 +0000

I upgraded from uTorrent 1.8.4 to 2.0.2 not too long ago and am happy I did. For some reason TCP transfers were always slow, usually around one twelfth of what I pay for. uTP completely solved my speed issues. Instead of a file downloading in four days, it arrives in four hours.

It is interesting that some people see the opposite. My guess is that it probably has something to do with differences in how various ISP’s operate. The fact that uTP doesn’t work well for some folks just isn’t a good enough reason to dismiss it out of hand, since it clearly works quite well for others. Besides, it’s not like it isn’t going to improve with time. Hopefully more programmers will look at implementing it into their clients as well. If you don’t like it, simply turn it off. Problem solved.

By: thecalmcritic

thecalmcritic — Sun, 30 May 2010 03:43:37 +0000

More importantly let’s have our ktorrent users to come in and report on this latest version’s performance/issues and so forth with uTP.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 19:18:08 +0000

@34

You are aware that you can simply turn it off, correct? Have you ever actually used it, or are you really just going off what you’ve “heard” it does? I’ve seen some info that is blatantly wrong posted in comments on this site, such as the one above about UDP trackers somehow having something to do with uTP. I have a windows machine in the other room running utorrent with uTP turned on and it runs perfectly well. If your router messes up, well, that’s just a shitty router that can’t handle many open connections at once.

By: Manja

Manja — Sat, 29 May 2010 16:09:35 +0000

Excellent news! Ever since I switched to linux I’vee been looking for a nice BitTorrent client similar to uTorrent and I found KTorrent simply the best of them all. i fact I like it even more than uTorrent now. And it is great to hear they have also added support for uTP. Rock on KTorrent developers!

By: Anon1000

Anon1000 — Sat, 29 May 2010 14:46:40 +0000

@ 27 Soundwave:
more bandwidth -> ya right and the throttling is there just for laughs!!
easier on network devices -> that’s why i heard that many, many routers died using uTP!!
The basic idea of uTP might not be bad, but i do not think the implementation is ideal and neither the fact they try to spread it in this form

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 13:38:19 +0000

fuck tf I made a long comment and it vanished.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 13:36:05 +0000

why is my message not showing here in the comments?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 12:27:00 +0000

My only experience with UTP is that it slows everything else down so web use is impossible.

By: KTorrent First BitTorrent Client To Adopt Open Source uTP - makin's posterous

KTorrent First BitTorrent Client To Adopt Open Source uTP - makin's posterous — Sat, 29 May 2010 11:16:16 +0000

[...] The KDE BitTorrent client KTorrent has become the first to implement the improved BitTorrent protocol that was open sourced by BitTorrent Inc. a few days ago. With uTP, KTorrent users should cause less network congestion and interference with other applications. They are also the first to benefit from faster connections to uTorrent users.Source:http://torrentfreak.com/ktorrent-first-bittorrent-client-to-adopt-open-source-utp-100528/ [...]

By: KTorrent User

KTorrent User — Sat, 29 May 2010 10:43:24 +0000

If you never use KTorrent, it doesn’t mean nobody is using it. Are you living under a rock? :p

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 10:07:20 +0000

@27 what a bullshit you are saying. uTP in its current implementation uses way more overhead than TCP. To send the same amount of information, uTP also uses more packet than TCP, causing routers to sometime simply crash. Go check utorrent problems forum and see it by yourself. Add to that the fact that the client will now throttle itself when congestion is detected (meaning you can’t download @ full-speed anymore) and you got a fucked-up protocol.

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KTorrent primero en adoptar el protocolo uTP | Linux Zone — Sat, 29 May 2010 09:44:06 +0000

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By: Infinity

Infinity — Sat, 29 May 2010 08:49:34 +0000

KTorrent is the best! Have used it as long as I used Ubuntu. (5+ years)

By: Soundwave

Soundwave — Sat, 29 May 2010 08:44:44 +0000

So, what, Anon1000?

UDP is there now, that’s all that matters.

uTP is a _compact_ protocol; that means it uses less bandwidth to send and receive communications.

So automatically, right off the bat, you’ve got more available bandwidth. Period.

uTP is also _much_ easier for network devices, keeping them running smoothly.

By: t0m5k1

t0m5k1 — Sat, 29 May 2010 08:40:43 +0000

i tried azreaus & that is too clutered
utorrent in wine is just wrong
transmission is ok
deluge client & server approach is just what i need on my lan
utp is just a slow down

built in tor & i2p would help a shed load

By: Anon1000

Anon1000 — Sat, 29 May 2010 08:27:57 +0000

uTP is bullshit!!!
They should have introduced UDP trackers earlier (in utorrent i mean)!
And i consider any client respectable if it has the following features: DHT, PEX, local peer discovery, magnet links, UDP trackers and can work with trackerless torrents (if they have seeds of course)!

By: anon

anon — Sat, 29 May 2010 06:13:58 +0000

“Azureus 2.3.0.6 (released November 22, 2005) was the first client to support magnet links and Mininova (founded the same year) was the first website to offer them.”

OFFTOPIC:
the 15 year old kids here don’t remember about SuprNova (released in 2002 as the best tracker at that time)

ONTOPIC:
uTP = useless (i have deactivated it and my torrents use max bandwidth compared to 60% when it was on)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 29 May 2010 05:42:17 +0000

Azureus 2.3.0.6 (released November 22, 2005) was the first client to support magnet links and Mininova (founded the same year) was the first website to offer them.

The Pirate Bay didn’t have anything to do with it… until November 2009.

By: WLS

WLS — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:41:33 +0000

I use Gnome and uTorrent in Wine. GO CELTS!

By: Doink

Doink — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:31:20 +0000

deluge

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KTorrent first to Implement Open Source uTP « SYSTEMA — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:20:41 +0000

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By: The United Hackers Association

The United Hackers Association — Sat, 29 May 2010 03:03:44 +0000

this wont help you download fastr it will help your ISP make more money off yu cause it takes you longer to get stuff

By: dpl

dpl — Sat, 29 May 2010 02:07:43 +0000

“you’re posting comment too quickly. slow down.”

Yo TF sucks my dick. Slow down!

By: Anon

Anon — Sat, 29 May 2010 00:07:24 +0000

@4 it still downloads at max capacity. The major difference now is that it keeps track of network buildup and delays with the packets. If it notices anything, it will throttle itself down to prevent any noticeable network lag for you and for the ISPs. Just think of it like your mother watching you eat candy a few at a time and then stopping you when she’s noticed that you’re trying to make the rest of the bag fit into your mouth instead of taking small handfuls.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 28 May 2010 23:08:51 +0000

Ktorrent is excellent for casual users who don’t have much linux experience. I used ktorrent for years and I still use it on occasion. However, like some others have mentioned, ktorrent is a hog compared to rtorrent, which is pretty much what i’ve used ever since i found it.

By: spc

spc — Fri, 28 May 2010 22:42:17 +0000

ktorent – eats too much, cluttered interface
qtr beats shit out of it…

By: Jonas

Jonas — Fri, 28 May 2010 22:38:48 +0000

Please note that uTP has been implemented in KTorrent for a couple of months in the beta and RC versions of 4.0 and it’s therefor not the code released by uTorrent that is used.

By: Nobody

Nobody — Fri, 28 May 2010 22:25:02 +0000

“So this UTP protocol promises improvement in speed. Can someone then explain to me how that makes any sense when in the same sentence it claims to throttle speed when congestion is detected?”

Try watching YouTube videos while you have a Bittorrent client running. Both will try to use 100% of your bandwidth and you will likely have trouble. Now that uTorrent is more network aware, it can throttle itself when needed, like those times when you’re surfing the internet while simultaneously downloading/seeding. In the past I used to have to manually throttle my client, but not anymore. It works quite well, though only when all online activities are done from the same PC. It tends not to throttle at all if another PC is trying to borrow some of the available bandwidth though, including my Xbox 360. Overall I would say speeds are a lot better, particularly with trackers that have always been slow for me in the past (Pirate Bay for example).

By: WhoCares

WhoCares — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:58:09 +0000

I have already used uTorrent, Vuze, Deluge, Transmission and other clients. I have settled down with Ktorrent, which is a great torrent client. It is also available for Windows, although I haven’t tested it, since I don’t use Windows.

Now with uTP and magnet links I must say is the best client out there. You should try it.

By: pZ

pZ — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:56:44 +0000

rtorrent is nice… the long hashcheck sucks when seedin…

By: Arb

Arb — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:53:08 +0000

@9
…. what gave you that dumb idea this protocol would protect you from them? only thing that would is you buying the music legit

By: Facebook=$#!T

Facebook=$#!T — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:37:30 +0000

If it helps me protect myself from the MAFIAA I’m all for it!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:23:24 +0000

nice nice nice but, who is using Gnome ?

By: me

me — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:22:30 +0000

@politux: ktorrent is nice for noobs and desktop users, but for pros, nothing beats text-only rtorrent running 24/7 on little linux or openbsd powered routers while the main box is powered off at night. ;-)

By: Arb

Arb — Fri, 28 May 2010 21:20:50 +0000

@5
ktorrent best linux client? umm HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, outta all torrents i have used over last 3-4 years i have only seen a hand full of ktorrent’s. most nix use deluge or rtorrent

By: politux

politux — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:59:30 +0000

Oh and @2 Gnome users enjoy KTorrent as well with the installation of some KDE libs.

By: politux

politux — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:58:32 +0000

KTorrent is the best Linux torrent client. Bar none.

By: anon

anon — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:51:15 +0000

So this UTP protocol promises improvement in speed. Can someone then explain to me how that makes any sense when in the same sentence it claims to throttle speed when congestion is detected? Doesn’t that just mean that instead of using 99% of the available bandwidth, downloading at max speed, I will now merely be downloading at, say 90% of my speed because space needs to be made for another user trying to stream video, and another downloading a file through a browser in the same network?

By: bruce

bruce — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:42:31 +0000

I am and have been very happy with KTorrent. It gets torrents downloaded and shared without hogging all the machines resources. I find much preferable to Azureus, which is a hog.

By: skybon

skybon — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:40:02 +0000

@1
KDE users, of course.

By: :D

:D — Fri, 28 May 2010 20:38:33 +0000

nice nice nice but, who is using ktorrent ?