Leaked Document Reveals Eircom Deal With Irish RIAA
Written by enigmax on August 08, 2009This month Ireland’s largest ISP will assist with an anti-piracy campaign against its own customers. After making a deal with IRMA, Ireland’s answer to the RIAA, Eircom will first warn alleged copyright infringers before ultimately disconnecting them. Now, in what appears to be a leaked document, the entire groundbreaking deal is outlined.
Earlier this year IRMA – which controls 90% of Ireland’s recorded music and represents the likes of EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner – reached a private agreement Ireland’s largest ISP, Eircom, to implement a 3 strikes deal for alleged pirates.
Details of the arrangement have been fairly limited but now an apparently leaked document gives a unique insight into the private deal put into place to allow Eircom to avoid further expensive legal action at the hands of the music industry.
The document passed to TorrentFreak, titled ‘Briefing Note on Arrangement Between Eircom and Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA) with regard to Copyright Infringement March 2009′ begins by giving some background to the deal and why it was implemented.
Listing ‘Key Points of the Draft Protocol’ the document promises that Eircom will not monitor its customer activities or install equipment to achieve the same, and will not provide any customer details to any 3rd party “including the record companies” while adhering closely to laws concerning data protection.
The Evidence
The document explains that IRMA will supply Eircom with IP addresses and evidence to prove infringements. The document specifically lists not just uploading infringements on peer to peer networks but strangely, downloading too. Quite how downloading will be proven will remain to be seen.
Under the agreement, IRMA will supply the following information in their infringement notifications:
1. Details of copyright holder (name and address)
2. Why the notification is being sent (i.e. setting out the breach of copyright)
3. Details of the actual copyright work infringed (artist, song, title and album title)
4. The IP address along with a time stamp to show when the investigation was initiated
5. A time stamp to indicate when the investigation was completed
6. Details of the P2P application used by the alleged infringer
7. The hash value of the infringed copyright work
The document says that the information provided by the record companies “will be of the same type as that used in the three previous disclosure actions in the Irish High Court involving the parties,” noting that Eircom will not act on a notification which does not carry the information listed above.
Additionally, Eircom has requested that IRMA provides independent certification to show that notifications have been lawfully obtained, including “reputable annual independent certification that the necessary legal, I.T., entity level and regulatory controls relating to the obtaining, generating and processing of data by Dtecnet [the anti-piracy tracking company tasked with monitoring infringers] (or any other supplier engaged by the record companies) have been complied with.”
Handling the ‘Graduated Response’
On the first strike, Eircom will inform its customer there has been an accusation of copyright infringement. On the second accusation the customer is warned that he risks being disconnected if there are further allegations. The final step is detailed in the document as follows;
On a third occasion of being detected as infringing copyright, and having reviewed the position, the subscriber will be served by Eircom with a termination notice and, subject to extenuating circumstances arising, will be disconnected thereafter.
So what measures are there to safeguard Eircom’s customers from errors, unfounded disconnections or other mitigating circumstances?
According to the document, at all stages in the process Eircom’s customers will have the right to complain if they feel they have been “inappropriately or incorrectly identified as infringing copyright,” and will be dealt with using the ISP’s existing broadband support systems. Additionally, this section seem to provide a little room for maneuver in certain circumstances;
Eircom has also reserved the right to remove a customer from a particular level or not to effect a disconnection where Eircom has received representations or complaints and believes that the infringement as alleged has not taken place or where there are particular extenuating circumstances which would make the disconnection of the customer unjustified.
Eircom will engage with that person at all times to ensure that there is a full understanding of the issues and that any accidental or unintentional infringement can be identified and remedied.
Dealing with the ultimate sanction – disconnection.
Disconnections will only be carried out when Eircom is “totally satisfied that there is clear evidence of sustained copyright infringement, that the alleged infringing person has had sufficient opportunity to explain its circumstances and that all possibilities that the person was a victim of accidental infringement have been eliminated.”
If the main conditions are met, Eircom will then disconnect its customer based on two elements – a TOS violation (copyright infringement is not allowed on Eircom accounts) and the ISPs legal obligation to disable access to infringing content on ts network, once it has been made aware of it.
Blocking Websites
There had been rumors that Eircom had agreed to block some websites i.e The Pirate Bay, but according to the document, Eircom has not agreed to implement a website filter – on copyright grounds at least. However, as part of the settlement it was agreed that Eircom would not oppose a court application by IRMA to force it to block The Pirate Bay specifically but no other sites are mentioned.
Time will tell if the details above constitute the final agreement, but the framework seems entirely consistent with the way the music industry wants ISPs to handle infringement. This deal with Eircom will be one to watch closely.
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84 Responses
Any way we can block this deal?
Too bad it got leaked :(
We suck at keeping secrets.
Geez…..what a total shocker.
eircom really the ONLY isp in ireland??? just how many customers can they lose and still stay in business?
if i even got 1 single warning letter from my ISP, i would dump their asses right on the spot and get a different ISP.
First use an IP proxy,so you cant be traced.Google it.Second use whois and get numbers for sites you visit..Italy have done this already ,to no affect..These idiots are the ones going down so dont sweat it…50 creatures went extinct today and the people in power are responsible..
No mate, Eircom are not the ONLY isp here in Ireland, they are just a monopoly – they have such a HUGE amount of broadband users for all the wrong reasons.
-There are many other isps
-A new isp (smart telecom) was setup offering twice the speed BB as eircom, but it wen belly up, as smart had to use the eircom lines for BB, and eircom wouldn’t release the lines for users to move to another isp, or they would take 6months to do the work.
Eircom are a monopoly run by f**king c**nts- i would rather die than give eircom money. There are plenty of other, BETTER isp’s here.
ISP’s that won’t bend over and take a dry one like these s**ts
Rant over.
@5
then dump Eircom like the rotten bastards they are….
by the way….nice rant. lol
Im not with Eircom, im with UPC.
Why any Irish person who reads this and is STILL with Eircom should get their heads tested.
The problem here is more than just Eircom. If IRMA have their way, every ISP will do this:
http://torrentfreak.com/irish-riaa-takes-isps-to-court-to-force-3-strikes-090621/
Yah! that will work for sure.
I want to thank the MAFIAA for the really great job without you guys we would never have had people migrating to encrypted channels and anonymous networks is just great that this is happening people will get more security because of you and they still will listen to music for free LoL
This are para-state organizations, it should be dealt accordingly, the Irish state must stand up and protect its citizens from these illegal shenanigans.
If worse comes to the worse you can alwasy go with BT Ireland.
BT Ireland are getting sued too
I’ll just wait until I get disconnected and then switch to BT or UPC
tbh, Eircom are unlikely to take the agreement too far, it would hardly be worth their while disconnecting every user suspected of downloading
imo they only signed the deal to avoid an expensive court case
ISPs know that siding completely with the industries will destroy their businesses.
and you think this document is real because??
Good read, thanks.
@mu57i11
you think its fake because?
wikileaks has other leaked stuff e.g. http://tinyurl.com/lr5ysb showing that this is what the irma is doing why wouldn’t this be true too?
Isn’t pirate bay about to become legal? Why are they blocking a legal site? Who’s interest does that serve? Let’s all ban legal products. We’ll make millions!!
13 said:
“ISPs know that siding completely with the industries will destroy their businesses.”
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Exactly. Filesharers are counted by many many millions on the internet, and they are the main consumers for broadband connections, that’s a fact.
Attacking and banning filesharers would be the death of any ISP and they (the ISPs) know this, considering that all this USA copyright nonsense and intrusion go against basic civil liberties and human rights, as are the rights to privacy, private property and freedom of speech; and any ISP who is against its main base of consumers for adopting USA copyright agenda is openly violating the civil rights of them, and the people is aware of this.
The more popular and succesfully ISPs will be who listen to its consumers and can offer unlimited and unrestricted broadband plans and who don’t succumb to the foreign USA copyright law which is very unpopular and clearly and openly violates elementary human rights and civil liberties.
To Eircom
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“The document specifically lists not just uploading infringements on peer to peer networks but strangely, downloading too. Quite how downloading will be proven will remain to be seen.”
With the woefully slow speeds I’ve experienced in Ireland, three strike’s should take that long.
1st infringemnt notice – We’ve seen you download 10% of U2’s No Line on the Horizon.
2nd – You tried to watch a YT video with copyshited music on it.
3rd – Your cat video on Facebook had the wireless playing The Coor’s in the background. Your out!
Sounds like an Iron Curtain coming down on Ireland’s interweb’s rather soon?
You get an F for Fail.
It will be interesting to see if the tough talk about telling RIAA to fsck themselves continues. Now that BT Ireland and UPC are also being taken to court the legal advice they get might well tell them to settle. The danger is all the ISPs will fold under the pressure.
TBH, i thought recording yourself with music in the background was fair-use?
Otherwise, you couldn’t film anywhere without coming across some (C) or [tm] picture/song/video
Fortunately, i don’t live in IRAland, i live in Wales.
Virgin media cap my download from 10Mb to under 3Mb after an hour of youtube – and upload to a mere 20Kbs or something ridiculous.
That’s KiloBITS btw. Not bytes.
So i don’t use torrents. I either listen to Creative Commons music – or i buy the CD. I would rather eay my own head than buy anything else ever again from Sony.
I like the colour green :3
Ugh, it seems to me that the IRMA and the RIAA just need to finally get off their period and stop trying to control the internet…
Any such thing happened in the USA yet, and if not, why not? And I don’t see how they can possibly do someone for downloading anything, because a link to download content can say anything it wants and you have no idea of what it really is until you have actually downloaded it. How many of you clicked the TorrentFreak link named Leaked Document Reveals Eircom Deal With Irish RIAA? What if the act of clicking that link downloaded copyright content you wasn’t expecting? What if I upload .torrent files advertising legal content that turn out not to be?
From where I’m sitting filesharers are the ones losing. The music and movie industries are making more money than ever, so for all the useless moaning about business models and “rights”, it amounts to nothing, it achieves nothing.
Eirecom is a private business, what deals it makes with other private organizations is no ones business but its directors and shareholders. They couldn’t give a crap what the filesharers on their network think, becuase they are a minority, or at the very least, they ones with the balls to up stix and bugger off to another ISP and a minority. A few whinging filesharers canceling their agreement in a huff won’t affect their profit margin, in fact you’ll be doing them a favour by leaving as they don’t want you on their network anyway.
every isp are going to do this and in the not to distant future, why! becouse the goverments are making new law’s that will bring this about why! becouse thay take backhanders from the movie industry.
fuck the riaa and eircom
if you want to loose customers do something like that
the internet must be free and uncensored and i agree that artists must make money but not directly from the civilian if torrent site’s give away %50 of their money gathered form ads and maybe other systems to artist and we(internet users and called by the anti-”piracy” groups pirate’s) pay like 2euro per month for artists(not multinationals) then everything must go right.
i think it got leaked on purpose !
@15 how long does it take to create a document? plus, if the info’s already been outlined on wikileaks, it gives the creator a template.
Nobody with any understanding of what a broadband package should be is with Eircom here in Ireland. They’ve consistently offered the worst deal, but have customer loyalty stemming from the time they were a state run telephone company.
I seriously doubt that any serious amount of file-sharing goes on through Eircom. Their service just isn’t good enough.
@18: Monospace fail.
If they want to catch downloaders, they may use honeypots. Anyway, Eircom deserves a good old boycott, along with the appropriate bad ads.
Simple. Boycott their crap and be done with.
Naturally, when you boycott them they’ll blame pirates for stealing their profits and spin it in the news as rock hard facts.
And still the government (whom they bribe and own) can’t see the lying and greedy corporations for what they really they are.
They’re all a big group of stunned c*nts.
Vote with your dollars, boycott Eircom.
Last time I checked, One-in-three is a pirate. I’m pretty sure once their profits drop by a third, or even possibly a fourth, they might just get their head out of their a$$es. That doesn’t include all the equiptment IRMA is making them buy, and all the labor needed.
26 said:
“They couldn’t give a crap what the filesharers on their network think, becuase they are a minority”
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LOL!! Are filesharers a minority?
Are MILLIONS of filesharers a minority? you simply are an idiot, and a LIAR who doesn’t have nothing better to do than talking bullshit.
And this is well known fact that the MAJORITY of traffic on the internet is P2P (filesharing).
P2P is the present and the future of the internet and technological innovation in communications, and I seriously doubt that the majority of ISPs agree in going against this tendency and the will of a MAJORITY of many millions of internet users (filesharers), especially when going against this reality would bring as inevitable result the loss of a MAJORITY of potential customers resulting in MILLIONS of loss in incomes for the ISPs, and this doesn’t make any sense for many ISPs to renounce to this big business opportunity only for satisfying the unjustified caprices from a SMALL MINORITY of rich thieves executives from USA entertainment industry which only motive is the greed and controling the entire society.
As already said, the most competitive and succesfuly ISPs will be those who adapt to technological innovation and to the exigences from its customers, and don’t succumb to the unjustified and illegal exigences of a SMALL MINORITY of greedy executives from USA who clearly undermine technological progress and basic human rights and civil liberties; that’s a fact.
Millions of file sharers are a minority compared to billions of people. Half the traffic on the internet is piracy, but that doesn’t make a it a majority either.
There are alot of people here complaining about what Eircom is doing. If you don’t like it then, STOP STEALING THINGS OFF THE INTERNET. Digital freedom is NOT everything I see belongs to me. That just makes you look spoiled. Did you really expect people to stand by and do nothing while piracy causes millions of dollars in losses?
@26:
Just because they’re a minority doesn’t mean they’re an invisible minority. Even 49% is a minority, but I don’t think any company wants to lose 49% of their customer base. (I know pirates don’t make up 49% of the population, but even 30% is a huge wedge.)
@26:
Just because they’re a minority doesn’t mean they’re an invisible minority. Even 49% is a minority, but I don’t think any company wants to lose 49% of their customer base. (I know pirates don’t make up 49% of the population, but even 30% or 20% is a huge wedge. If it were just 1%, I don’t think they’d care.)
Yikes, double post.
@36: More traffic is worse for the companies, because it means the network slows down. They want to have more users but less traffic, because then they can have even more users.
So bringing P2P to a stop might even be an advantage to them if it meant that traffic but not users would be lost. Or, even if they do lose 49% of their users, if they lose 99% of their traffic as well, then that’s also good for them.
It’s just an idle threat, nothing more, this document might be real, but it was unearthed just to frighten people and decrease the “level of piracy”.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13630351/Eircom-Irma-Briefing-Note-March-2009
@Dingo_RG
File sharing traffic is certainly in the majority, however that amount of traffic is from a relatively low number of users, say roughly 15%. It is the high bandwidth users ISPs dislike, and they account for roughly 1/3 of that or 5%. The other 85% of users rarely download anything from p2p if at all nad so couldnt care less about anti-p2p measures as if does not affect them.
What they do care about is the propaganda that if the ISPs managed to get rid of the filesharers they’d somehow get more value for money. Unfortunately that wouldn’t happen and the ISP would simply pump more users onto already oversubscribed networks.
The fact of the matter is, filesharers are a minority who are blamed for the majority of problems, no one gives a crap what they think, well except themselves.
Briggs knows exactly what he is talking about. Dingo_RG is an uneducated loudmouth.
Government and industry working together over the years ahead will eventually make the network conform to reasonable and reliable standards, so that communication is secure, websites will not be hacked without insane punishment, and so the future of digital product and internet distribution is made safe for both private enterprise as well as global corporate industry. Is there really any other choice?
And ANYONE who sincerely believes that anarchy will be the internet standard now and forevermore lives in their Mother’s basement and should read the REAL news, not TF news, now and then.
There’s a whole, huge world of ethical internet users out there folks, and they comprise the vast majority of users using a tiny fraction of the bandwidth, and pirates will be made to appear and actually be the losers of the digital realm, sooner or later.
For Joel Tenenbaum?
Uhhhhhh…..Sooner.
lol
@Reasoned Mind
Ad hominem, anyone?
You’re wasting your time here.
“A few whinging filesharers canceling their agreement in a huff won’t affect their profit margin, in fact you’ll be doing them a favour by leaving as they don’t want you on their network anyway.”
Ya I agree with fellow posters and any customer paying hard earned dollars….the ISP starts being a bitch, you get another ISP.
Why would you pay for service??? on such a low standard of privacy, lack of proper information (main stream news doesn’t cut it, p2p news/info/aps/entertainment is where it’s at!)
You won’t. Either the p2p file sharing community will have a p2p style Internet /w built in encryption features for grandma to run on her XP machine or the ISP’s will have to fight each other for customers, the nicer one w/o agreements with the entertainment execs will win.
Political pressures increase in response to ban the Internet from the public. Pirate Parties are popping up in most civilized countries (America doesn’t have any yet do they? LOL). Germany has one, Swiss have one, Canada has one.
Hell if the public WILL throw away their votes then the liberals or conservatives WILL have to adopt more customer friendly Internet policies just to keep their seats!
Democracy survives the worst tyrants better then Kings or easily bribed MP’s. Like evolution, it’s a slow going and change can only be seen from a distance.
Tit for tat = they’ll alienate the very people they WANT as customers b/c there are products that are free that THEY created (but was ripped, upgrades to remove any drm or copying restrictions) and they gotta compete with a BETTER version of their own works.
As far as funny situations goes, these industry people sure know how to screw things up. lmao.
Ya lets disconnect and sue them instead of providing an ad supported version (least for tv/movies) for weekly live shows.
Sure I’m still gonna save 20 minutes of MY time on each show and skip the live version, wait a week and download the GOOD version but most people, even me on occasion will watch through the ads on live shows.
From what I gather this abusive ISP in Ireland is a phone company (”but have customer loyalty stemming from the time they were a state run telephone company.”)
Cable can handle the traffic better then phone in my opinion. So whoever does the cable there will be less inclined to screw their customers. Phone is so 20th century. lmao
People will speak in dollars, votes, and votable dollars! (taxes YOU pay being spent how YOU want, say 20%? ;)
Below I will outline some of the methods I use to avoid ever getting letters of infringement etc..
Clients I use = Miro(random vidcasts etc) \ utorrent
1. If you receive an initial warning \ or don’t want to deal with this simply change ISPs..
2. Use of standard security setup.. My setup includes Microsoft Security Essentials (Pre-Beta\Official) | Hostsman using MVPS list | Spybot S&D (While these wont necessarily block p2p monitoring it will provide basic protection for your computer)..
3. For windows 2000\xp\vista\windows 7 users.. I have different setups on different computers.. Here are some of the programs etc I’ve been using lately.. IPFilter Updater = Utorrent Ipfilter Updater | Recently added PeerBlock (a fork of PeerGuardian 2) loaded with p2p list at minimum..
4. Use another DNS Provider (OpenDNS Recommended)
5. Use a proxy to download torrents and access blocked sites at minimum..
6. Configure your torrent\download client to use a proxy.. Going to be slow when downloading etc..
7. Definitely use a proxy to upload torrents etc..
8. Use a seed box and access it via proxy..
9. Change your mac address frequently.. Deny all claims against you and threaten to leave ISP if any information is disclosed and or just leave immediately if they contact you etc..
10. Once again change your ISP.. Eircom is basically going to rat you out etc.. Go to an ISP that wont spy on you and rat you out..
Some other Broadband providers in Ireland:
BT
UTV
NTL/Chorus (uPC)
Imagine
Irish Broadband
Clearwire
Digiweb
@ Reasoned Mind
“And ANYONE who sincerely believes that anarchy will be the internet standard now and forevermore lives in their Mother’s basement and should read the REAL news, not TF news, now and then.”
Who said Anarchy is an internet standard or protocol.. You need to pull your head out of your arse.. There will never ever be a completely clean friendly internet.. Ever.. Get use to it buddy..
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I also missed a point in my above post regarding security..
Run an open wifi access point and deny all claims made against you.. With the open wifi – change your MAC address frequently..
Another point change your computer name frequently.. Some suggestions EircomSux | EircomSucks EircomP2PCop | GayEircom | LesbianEircom and more and more and more etc..
@CanunckP2P Advocate..
We don’t have the best ISPs here either.. While they may not be draconian CRIA allies etc They do gouge us for every service and every way possible.. Bandwidth Caps | Throttling | Ridiculous OVERUSE? charges..
Rogers and Bell both charge ridiculous overuse fees.. What are they going to do when HDTV content becomes mainstream and we all have 200 TB vs 200 gb etc on average?
Charge us more or just drop the charade and admit oh we made enough money to “upgrade” our network.. It’s a joke..
Ireland has more alternatives then we do accross Canada.. Very Very Sad!..
Boycott Sandvine Recommended!..
To me this agreement seems like a smart way for Eircom to get out of court proceedings (which can be very expensive btw)
This does not mean that they will not enforce it. I think they will but on their own turf, meaning that they will not be pressured into it. I don’t think they truly want to disconnect anyone. That’s just bad business. However they want the three strike policy to act as as deterrent. My and my buddies have been talking about this new system and alot of them have said that they would stop downloading after the second notice. This of course does not mean that they would stop filesharing altogether. Once a filesharer, always a filesharer.
We would just find new ways do to it. Changing ISP might be a good one to start with. I mean that depends on where you live but there are plenty of ISP’s going round. Two strikes with each of them and you are sorted.
disconnecting is stupid. you cant treat paying customers like this. stupid maffia and friends should just leave
p2p worked best when people knew how to keep their mouths shut, it still does in certain closed groups. Unfortunately what we have now is a generation of morons who adopted TPB model of “being a loud mouthed ignorant prick”. Rather than STFU and get on with things they feel the need to go shouting about freedoms and information and other figments of their imagination are under the jackboot of some fascist group of corporate assholes. Sites like TPB and people who think the sun shined out their arse are the real problem here. The attract attention like a naked whore at a bar mitzvah.
It needs to go back underground, to closed groups, where punk bitch kids who whine like revolutionary socialists can be forever shunned.
This will only increase the migration from P2P to Rapidshare, Megaupload and other download sites, where users can stay anonymous
shenanigans
Sorry.. had to get that in.
Anonymous, encrypted networks go Retroshare or any other one that protects you from your peers.
Block lists, central servers(rapidshare, etc), private trackers are useless and the people saying those are good options are or ill informed or strait bad people trying to get you in trouble.
lol? Is that a joke? All those hosters log I, those for both uploaders and downloaders. If anything, it’s much less anonymous then torrents.
Also, I fail to see how having to download 20 or something individual parts makes it any more appealing to pirates/thieves.
@petfoodz.info
Uhm, it has become the standard, or atleast in the eyes of thos who advocate it. Millions of people on the intenet now ignore the law and insist that they have a god given right to take anything they want. Sounds just like anarachy to me. Pirates think they can ussure in a new age where they can’t be held accountable for anything they do. On the internet, piracy has become the accepted means of accquiring things. Payment has become trivialized in a way that defies description.
How has it become a standard? The pirates have their own political party to advocate selfishness and greed.
@48 : They will still catch you. You can only prevent it, can’t hold it off forever. It probably would look pretty suspicious if all attempts to ping a certain IP (yours, in this case) were rejected by your ip blocking and real time monitoring software.
In the canadian consultation people unanimously told the government what they want.
End DRM, protection from throttling or any other thing that curtail the internet in any form.
Number of suggestion pro copyright 2 so far LoL against the hundreds against it LoL
So if people don’t care about filesharing they do care even less about copyright LoL
There’s an easy way to combat these policies IN ANY COUNTRY::::: Obfuscation, confusion and false accusation. Getting the wrong people in trouble time and time again will make this policy disappear completely. Do your bit, go wardriving and set some torrents to download on some granny’s computer.
@37
Bullshit, STREAMING is the majority of bandwidth consumption.
Damn, Eircom sure has some shity deals aswell. 65 euros for a 7/0,3 mbt connection with a 50GB download limit. Damn I say! I pay aproxematly 45 euros for my 24/10 with no limits. I used to have a 100/10 with no limits which I payed 6,5 euros for.
That would in my mind be another good reason why not to use Eircom. Besides the most obvious we-are-fu*king-retards reason.
Why buy high bandwitch,if your going to be stroke out. ISP’s are aiming the gun at there own toes.Makes no sense.
eircom sucks! fuck them! :P
people love content and want other people to enjoy this 2! not matter witch file or if there is copyright we want to share files!!!!
and i know artist need money to live and i want to give it to them but not every time i want a song or movie!
share-
it’s faire!!!
Nope, it just prove that the guy did go to ShieldsUP – Security and did a scan off his system and bother to reconfigure his or hers firewall, the first thing everybody is doing is including antivirus software is to make you stealth on the net to make more difficult to people to map your network and find security holes in it. Are you from the 80’s or something didn’t you saw how networks evolved since then?
oh poopy
Wow, thts downright scary dude!
RT
http://www.anon-web-tools.net.tc
firstly, eircom is in big financial trouble. they are pulling all the stops to attract new customers allof the time, with free landline connections, and bundled deals.
they havent got the cash to fight a big court case. hence this deal was made.
most serious file sharers who realise that the paltry limits set by eircom are of no use at all, move to more accomodating isps.
but this whole argument is is going in the wrong direction.
instead of making the isps the censors, actively working for the copyright holders, the isps should be in partnership with them.
as customers, we are offered choices when it comes to choosing our isp. sometimes the most important factor is simply cost, somtimes its bandwidth. if all the isps increased their fees by 5$ per month per internet connection, we as customers would have no choice but to pay.
the money can be dispersed through such boards as the prss, which charges factories for having a radio playing.
i’m not saying this is the best solution, but it keeps everybody happy. the copyright holders can keep their pretence that they are right and the users can do the same.
the point is, is that we can rail against the system as much as we like but inevitably it wins.
the important thing is to keep the internet at a single entity, not one with borders policed in different ways in different areas.
we cant be so naive to believe that the internet will stay unpoliced forever, at least if we accomplish something now, over the table, with a handshake, we wont be faced with an impossible situation in years to come.
5 bucks a month (average) from every subscription will be a massive amount of money. enough to let anyone trade whatever they want with whoever they want. the internet will become the legitimate vehicle of choice of the copyright holders to sell their product.
the isps hold all the cards. it is very simple for them to control their networks. at the moment, a large number of them are not taking eircoms position, mainly because of the fear of revenue loss from falling subscriptions. however when it becomes more financially prudent to comply with the copyright holders position, the arm will swing with surprising speed towards eircoms position.
personally 5$ a month seems a drop in the ocean compared to the potential hassle that may arise if we keep going in the same direction.
it all sounds very reasonable. i applaud Eircom and say to them thank you for the obvious special attention and consideration you have given to filesharers
properly managed and audited the system will not be a threat to filesharers but will pacify the shareholders of IRMA. which is clearly what this is all about
we have all worked hard in the past years to educate the filesharing communities on how to protect themselves and their systems from any allegations of copyright infringements. this proposed Eircom/IRMA deal does not even threaten pirates and certainly is no danger to filesharers
may i remind everyone that this is a commercial arrangement between two corporations and is the not the voice of government nor law. if you are falsely accused, and there will be plenty false positives, then please do take a lawyer and sue them all to hell. use their premise against them, namely sharing of copyright content online is a “significant and serious offense” and their accusation is a “serious and significant defamation”. if EVERYONE who has their internet cut off then sues Eircom/IRMA the whole operation will stop immediately under the weight of law
http://www.h33t.com who side steps the bullshit
How long till they blame the recession on piracy, I wonder?
@69: (”How long till they blame the recession on piracy, I wonder?”)
You’re behind the times… do a search for “Piracy Extends Music Recession,” and you’ll find 58,000+ copies of the same press release. They’ve gotten pretty efficient at splattering their victimhood-wank across the Internet over the years.
DJ Sketch@1337x.org thats just inaccurate. smart telecom is still going, most ISPs use eircoms lines unlike NTL who use their own system.
why doesnt everyone just open up their wireless routers, it would be very difficult to prove who actually downloaded the infringing material?
57 (neoTROLL) said:
“Uhm, it has become the standard, or atleast in the eyes of thos who advocate it. Millions of people on
the intenet now ignore the law and insist that they have a god given right to take anything they want.
Sounds just like anarachy to me. Pirates think they can ussure in a new age where they can’t be held
accountable for anything they do. On the internet, piracy has become the accepted means of accquiring
things. Payment has become trivialized in a way that defies description.
How has it become a standard? The pirates have their own political party to advocate selfishness and
greed”
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Well, neoTROLL, I have changed your lies and replacing them with truths. :-)
Uhm, it has become the standard, or at least in the eyes of those who advocate it. Millions of people on
the internet now ignore the corrupt USA copyright law and insist that they have the right to exert their
legitimate and legal civil right to share information and culture with others, something that is
fundamental part of the right to freedom of speech, and that USA copyright law conveniently ignores in an illegal way. Sounds just like anarchy to me that these pirates executives from the USA entertainment industry think they can abuse the judicial system in a digital age where they don’t belong.
On the internet, Filesharing has become the accepted means of exchanging information and culture with others. Payment has become trivialized and abused by USA entertainment industry in a way that defies description.
How has it become a standard? The pirates from the USA entertainment industry have their own political
corrupt party in Joe Biden to advocate selfishness and greed.
“read the REAL news, not TF news, now and then.”
Lol I did! Its freakin scary.
Planes hit helichoppers, Real pirates hijack ships and the Columbians are still making cocaine and coffee. Anarchy.
“And ANYONE who sincerely believes that anarchy will be the internet standard now and forevermore”
Anarchy is the WORLD standard,mirrored in the internet. It WILL remain that way. look outside noob.
In other news;
“people are still ’stealing’ movies, music and porn on the internet. They’re loving it and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.”
44 said:
“File sharing traffic is certainly in the majority, however that amount of traffic is from a relatively low number of users, say roughly 15%. It is the high bandwidth users ISPs dislike, and they account for roughly 1/3 of that or 5%. The other 85% of users rarely download anything from p2p if at all nad so couldnt care less about anti-p2p measures as if does not affect them.”
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That’s simply doesn’t make any sense, and is complete bullshit.
If we assume as hypothesis (your hypothesis) that only 15% users generate the majority of total internet traffic then we would have to accept the lie than the rest 85% only use the internet for browsing the web in text format and reading e-mails in text format too…
That’s complete nonsense at all and we know this, given the high bandwidth volume of interactive content on videos, on line games, non-p2p downloads, streaming, HD video content, etc., that the MAJORITY of broadband users access all the time (including p2p users).
Insinuating that today 85% of broadband users use their high speed connections for browsing e-mails is plain stupid and delusional.
BTW, it’s the big lie that dishonest ISPs as Comcast have sold as truth to their users for using filesharing as scapegoat and perfect excuse for not upgrading their oudtated infraestructure.
Given that the MAJORITY of broadband users use their connections as mush as they can, and that the majority of this traffic generated is p2p, we perfectly can deduce without errors that this majority of p2p traffic is proportional to the number of persons using broadband connections. In other words, if the majority of traffic on the internet is p2p, this automatically means that the MAJORITY of broadband internet users generate it, and not the opposite, as a few morons without any clue (as you) insist in saying.
Ooopsss… In the last paragraph above I wanted to say “as much as” instead of “as mush as”, sorry for that.
Go to the european court of human rights… There should be a judge somewhere in between. 2 Companies are not allowed to accuse AND punish a person for sth they THINK he is doing…
A judge has to decide this.
Dingo, I likewise doubt that P2Pers are a tiny minority. And I agree that it simply makes no sense that a large majority of people would pay for broadband if a cheaper plan would be enough. But there’s a giant hole in your reasoning of:
1) The majority of traffic is P2P, which uses a lot of bandwidth.
2) The majority of people using broadband use a lot of bandwidth.
-> 3) The majority of people using broadband are P2Pers.
It’s the exact same error in logic that prompted the old joke:
1) God is love.
2) Love is blind.
3) Stevie Wonder is blind.
-> 4) Stevie Wonder is God.
77 (baka pinkuu) said:
It’s the exact same error in logic that prompted the old joke:
1) God is love.
2) Love is blind.
3) Stevie Wonder is blind.
-> 4) Stevie Wonder is God.
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I don’t see how your STUPID and USELESS post have something to do to the discussion.
BTW; if you totally lack of arguments for the discussion, which is a fact, then, why are you posting nonsense here at the first place?
The point is that you have not show solid evidence that invalidates my statements, and obviously, you don’t have it… idiot troll.
They should put all that crime irish pepoles stealing music into Gulag instead :)
Look at USSR “Law of Three Spikelets” http://tiny.cc/law3 .
But nowdays “state” and its “state property” is copyrigt lawers corporations atd their “property”..
They owe you.
Dingo opined: “I don’t see how your STUPID and USELESS post have something to do to the discussion.
BTW; if you totally lack of arguments for the discussion, which is a fact, then, why are you posting nonsense here at the first place?
The point is that you have not show solid evidence that invalidates my statements, and obviously, you don’t have it… idiot troll.”
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My dear Dingo, that’s what I was trying to tell you – albeit with a modicum more civility. If you truly want to further the cause of filesharing, please do us a favor and pretend to be on the other side for a while.
Or if, as I suspect, you’re really an RIAA plant of the “I’m a filesharer and I love kiddy porn” variety – just go DIAF, and stop trying to disgrace the real filesharing community who can think for themselves.
@baka pinkuu;
As already said,
If you lack of arguments then shut up the mouth, idiot.
Here the only who is acting as an RIAA troll is you.
and thats why i switched to NTL
As a side note, calling the respective organizations “the Irish RIAA” or “the Italian MPAA” is idiotic. With the same logic you can call the actual RIAA the “IRMA of America”. The Torrent Freak authors should avoid stupidity.
Ha, just imagine, if someone somehow got every Eircom user to pirate files, Eircom would eventually disconnect every user. That means no more money for Eircom :)
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